Bur gets shoved towards Apocalypse. "Bu-bu-but-wai-wai-wai-wait! I'm just a humble cabbie!" he stammered. Apocalypse cocked his head. "Are you?" Bur's face grew defiant. "No. No, I'm one of yours, Apocalypse."
"Kill him!" someone called from the group.
"Guys, no, he's lying!" another declared.
Bur looked downward and shrugged. "Yeah, I lied."
Apocalypse touched Bur's shoulders gently. "Nobody lies to me."
Bur rapidly turned into a cloud of ash...but no horseman specter emerged from him.
Apocalypse smiled. "Oops. Another one bites the dust."
-
Bur has been lynched. He was Isidor Makar, The Cabbie.
It is now Night 2. Night actions are due within 72 hours.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
As the clamor quieted down for a moment of reprieve, everyone retreated to their own corners and pondered the implications of what was happening to them.
Upon reconvene, two more people failed to join the group - Zionite and Ophidia were both found completely devoid of life.
Hushed murmurs fell across the room. People were anxious. Scared. "Am I next?" they wondered.
Apocalypse waved his hand and declared, "You may continue."
-
Ophidia has been killed. He was Herman Underhill, The Hunter.
Zionite has been killed. He was Lachlan Ackermann, The Politician
It is now Day 3. With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
There aren't many possible worlds for night actions at this point.
One of the more likely ones, in my opinion, is "D_V is scum and faking a guilty" but I'll let tom and shadow say their bits before I say more than that I guess.
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If it's relevant, I didn't get any PMs about night actions. So if Zionite (or anyone else) targeted me I cannot confirm that.
One of them is "tom and D_V are scum together running the same gambit that was just run in Mistborn."
One of them is "D_V is outed scum and faking a guilty to try to swing a mislynch"
There's others, but. I want tom and shadow's side of the night actions before I indulge in a lot of speculating.
And if the double kills continue, this is actually just mylo unless Rodemy is scum. Because they can kill both of us and a third person toNight if we mislynch. That takes us from 6/2 now to 5/2 toNight to 2/2 toMorrow at dawn, an instant loss.
We either have to lynch scum now or no-lynch and hope they make another pair of kills that narrows down the PoE enough to catch them in F5 (or F6 if they leave me/Rodemy alive.)
Again, these aren't because I think Silver and DV are scum, just to demonstrate that I still have the double-vote.
I read part of Trigger Happy; I'm surprised that a scum double-voter (even restricted) got through design, but I can continue to confirm my double-vote every Day.
If I was targeted by Zionite, I wasn't informed.
I can't imagine that the double-kills could continue; that seems like it would be the most broken setup ever.
There aren't many possible worlds for night actions at this point.
One of the more likely ones, in my opinion, is "D_V is scum and faking a guilty" but I'll let tom and shadow say their bits before I say more than that I guess.
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If it's relevant, I didn't get any PMs about night actions. So if Zionite (or anyone else) targeted me I cannot confirm that.
it's made simpler by the fact that I am only one shot and already used it the previous night.
I also received no PMs about anything happening. If that helps.
Kerfuffle. This will be how I start every post today, deal with it.
DV's lack of Foresight in dealing with Silver and Rodemy first seems dumb, but I've seen him go guns blazing in other games as town so hmm. I really do think Tom is town, so either DV is just scum here; the extra kills are done by a ninja, or Tom is scum and this game makes zero mechanical sense.
The question that I want to ask everyone is:
Do you think that it's possible that Silver is scum if he has his claimed role?
Kerfuffle. This will be how I start every post today, deal with it.
DV's lack of Foresight in dealing with Silver and Rodemy first seems dumb, but I've seen him go guns blazing in other games as town so hmm. I really do think Tom is town, so either DV is just scum here; the extra kills are done by a ninja, or Tom is scum and this game makes zero mechanical sense.
The question that I want to ask everyone is:
Do you think that it's possible that Silver is scum if he has his claimed role?
This has to be the biggest pile of garbage I've ever seen posted in a game.
Kerfuffle. This will be how I start every post today, deal with it.
DV's lack of Foresight in dealing with Silver and Rodemy first seems dumb, but I've seen him go guns blazing in other games as town so hmm. I really do think Tom is town, so either DV is just scum here; the extra kills are done by a ninja, or Tom is scum and this game makes zero mechanical sense.
How would DV "deal" with Silver and Rodemy?
Quote from Shadow »
The question that I want to ask everyone is:
Do you think that it's possible that Silver is scum if he has his claimed role?
Pretty sure we went over this early game: Silver's role is unlikely to be strongly indicative of his alignment, especially given the game setup in question.
The question that I want to ask everyone is:
Do you think that it's possible that Silver is scum if he has his claimed role?
Pretty sure we went over this early game: Silver's role is unlikely to be strongly indicative of his alignment, especially given the game setup in question.
Like, seriously, why are you falling back on setup-gaming at this point?
The question that I want to ask everyone is:
Do you think that it's possible that Silver is scum if he has his claimed role?
Pretty sure we went over this early game: Silver's role is unlikely to be strongly indicative of his alignment, especially given the game setup in question.
Like, seriously, why are you falling back on setup-gaming at this point?
kerfuffle.
I'm doing a thing. Do you really think scum!silver has a role that is 100% useless?
Oh man I did not read this day carefully at all.
I'm up to speed now.
DV is scum or there's a ninja
Actually kind of leaning towards ninja tbh because if it's actually lylo I'd expect him to fake a guilty on... you know... someone he could get lynched over him. Aka... not me. But hold that thought.
@silver
Yes I give posting restrictions. In...ways
@Cantrip: regarding DV dealing with Silver/Rod, I'm not saying he specifically needs to deal with it, I'm saying I believe that to be the most important thing we need to look into today. We all need to deal with it.
I guess now that tom and shadow have posted I can do this thing:
We live in one of six worlds.
(1) scum!tom and scum!D_V are running the same gambit Rhand and Mindreaver ran in Mistborn (claim a guilty on your partner, one of you is lynched but the other is cleared for "spew").
(2) scum!D_V knows he only needs one more mislynch to win because Rodemy and I are town, so he claims a guilty watch on tom to try to seal it up.
(3) scum!tom told town!D_V to either watch Zionite or Nacho, then took the over-under that D_V picked Nacho.
(4) War's horseman power is "Ninja when performing the factional kill" or Death's extra kill has a "Ninja" modifier. D_V and tom are both town.
(5) tom can be a busdriver and he swapped Zionite and the real night kill. D_V is town, tom could be either.
(6) "Politician" is Iso-rolename-speak for "Bodyguard". D_V is town, tom could be either.
I don't think there are any other possibilities (at least, not any that don't involve ridiculous amounts of speculating like a ninja busdriver or something), but if I left an obvious one out let me know.
(1) and (3) seem pretty silly to me. They're not totally impossible, but...
I'm leaning towards (2) at the moment.
I think (4) is somewhat more likely than (6) in town!D_V worlds. I might look back to see if Zionite crumbed, but he doesn't really seem the sort.
(5) is seems pretty unlikely regardless of whatever else.
Lynching us actually just loses the game on the spot if you're town and Death can still double kill. It'll put us at 4/2 into Night.
The time for anyone with reservations about us to push a paranoia lynch was yesterDay, now we either need to find and kill Death or no-lynch and see who is left in F5 or F6.
Also, check the pub, I left you an important message.
Tom is scum and this game makes zero mechanical sense.
In a game with reportedly a large percentage of roles randomized among teams, I would think this would potentially be more likely. If you take whatever fun you and Tom are having privately out of the equation, how does Tom strike you?
I'm doing a thing. Do you really think scum!silver has a role that is 100% useless?
See my above comment. I wouldn't put it past Iso to randomize the roles and then see that some do little/nothing and be totally ok with them as red herrings/traps. As a player, I wouldn't like it, but I don't feel like it's wise to base play decisions on modgaming, esp. with Iso at the helm.
DV is scum or there's a ninja
Actually kind of leaning towards ninja tbh because if it's actually lylo I'd expect him to fake a guilty on... you know... someone he could get lynched over him. Aka... not me. But hold that thought.
First off, why do you think scum!DV couldn't get you lynched over him? And second of all...I don't think that you voicing suspicions of a ninja over scum!DV is likely to come from scum!Tom. Maybe you're really good, in which case, I'll be burned and learn my lesson, but...especially with your D1 actions, I think you're town.
@Cantrip: regarding DV dealing with Silver/Rod, I'm not saying he specifically needs to deal with it, I'm saying I believe that to be the most important thing we need to look into today. We all need to deal with it.
I guess now that tom and shadow have posted I can do this thing:
Why did you need to wait for Shadow to post for these? (I know, Shadow posted before Tom, but still, you mentioned Shadow because...?
Quote from Silver »
(1) scum!tom and scum!D_V are running the same gambit Rhand and Mindreaver ran in Mistborn (claim a guilty on your partner, one of you is lynched but the other is cleared for "spew").
Possible.
Quote from Silver »
(2) scum!D_V knows he only needs one more mislynch to win because Rodemy and I are town, so he claims a guilty watch on tom to try to seal it up.
Possible.
Quote from Silver »
(3) scum!tom told town!D_V to either watch Zionite or Nacho, then took the over-under that D_V picked Nacho.
Why couldn't scum!Tom have been recommending Zion or Nacho for reverse psych, trying to push DV away from Tom's desired NK's?
Quote from Silver »
(4) War's horseman power is "Ninja when performing the factional kill" or Death's extra kill has a "Ninja" modifier. D_V and tom are both town.
I find it hard to believe that Iso would allow the scumteam to have multiple kills AND a ninja. That just seems ridiculous.
Quote from Silver »
(5) tom can be a busdriver and he swapped Zionite and the real night kill. D_V is town, tom could be either.
Quote from Silver »
(6) "Politician" is Iso-rolename-speak for "Bodyguard". D_V is town, tom could be either.
This seems pretty unlikely, too.
I feel pretty certain that one of Tom or DV is scum. And I'm leaning toward DV being the one. I have this weird gut feeling that the scumteam is Tom and Silver, but I'm ignoring mit. My internet is acting up, so I'll be back to do more later. Grr.
There's fairly obviously not a ninja double killer because that's incredibly, incredibly terrible; don't understand why Cantrip thinks that Tom bringing up the possibility makes him lock town.
DV is scum or there's a ninja
Actually kind of leaning towards ninja tbh because if it's actually lylo I'd expect him to fake a guilty on... you know... someone he could get lynched over him. Aka... not me. But hold that thought.
First off, why do you think scum!DV couldn't get you lynched over him? And second of all...I don't think that you voicing suspicions of a ninja over scum!DV is likely to come from scum!Tom. Maybe you're really good, in which case, I'll be burned and learn my lesson, but...especially with your D1 actions, I think you're town.
i would say in general me and DV are about equally hard to lynch (this is relative of course because people tend to find both of us scummy based on playstyle but its hard for them to actually jam it through) but in this game in particular... you know i lynched two scum day 1 while he ignored both. but then again, who would he really have as lynchable people in this game that ARENT rodemy/silver to make today a game-winning mislynch? cant be you because of roleblock. zion died. and i dont feel like he'd win a thunderdome with shadow, nacho, or huntz...
also... why is that townie? if i really was scum that killed zion last night wouldn't i need to NOT let myself be in a dichotomy with DV? unless we're scum together which seems like it should make more sense to most people the way ive been just... finding ways to townread him when the easy logic is to not?
Silver's claimed role has nothing to do with his alignment. Literally nothing. We have established this before, not sure why we need to establish it again.
we dont lynch silver/rodemy today mechanically
ditto cantrip because while maybe he could perform a factional kill through osi's roleblock i dont think theres any possibility he made the second
shadow is out if you trust either me or him in any way. i promise thats +EV unless you think the world is exactly me/shadow, which it isnt
i think huntz is town
so yeah i think it should be between DV and nacho today
DV choosing Tom as a mislynch target doesn't actually make any sense, as he noted; if he's going for the game winning mislynch he has a bunch of targets that people are willing to push for instead but he chooses tom? Doubtful.
Tom is scum and this game makes zero mechanical sense.
In a game with reportedly a large percentage of roles randomized among teams, I would think this would potentially be more likely. If you take whatever fun you and Tom are having privately out of the equation, how does Tom strike you?
I'm doing a thing. Do you really think scum!silver has a role that is 100% useless?
See my above comment. I wouldn't put it past Iso to randomize the roles and then see that some do little/nothing and be totally ok with them as red herrings/traps. As a player, I wouldn't like it, but I don't feel like it's wise to base play decisions on modgaming, esp. with Iso at the helm.
kerfuffle.
I believe toms role to be randomized even less than I believe yours to be so. Regarding reading Tom outside of our extra knowledge? Town. I only have day one to go off of, but pretty solid town from that day. Everything else I've read with his role in the back of my mind, so I don't think I could give you a good account since then, but I'm fairly certain I don't have to.So let me rephrase my question so that I stop getting the "we've been over this" answers.
If Silver's claimed role was mod revealed to be his role, do you think that he really could be scum? (Bear in mind that this is a role madness game, and that role is literally vanilla on the scum team)@Tom: do we reveal or keep back and play the field? Everything on the table would make the process go faster, but if a certain circumstance is met, we have a chance at tomorrow.
over it. still mostly think youre both town but.. meh
I keep wanting to vote the hell out of you for things like this then remind myself you're like 100% confirmed town to me.
#HuntzillaStyle
"Kill him!" someone called from the group.
"Guys, no, he's lying!" another declared.
Bur looked downward and shrugged. "Yeah, I lied."
Apocalypse touched Bur's shoulders gently. "Nobody lies to me."
Bur rapidly turned into a cloud of ash...but no horseman specter emerged from him.
Apocalypse smiled. "Oops. Another one bites the dust."
-
Bur has been lynched. He was Isidor Makar, The Cabbie.
It is now Night 2. Night actions are due within 72 hours.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Upon reconvene, two more people failed to join the group - Zionite and Ophidia were both found completely devoid of life.
Hushed murmurs fell across the room. People were anxious. Scared. "Am I next?" they wondered.
Apocalypse waved his hand and declared, "You may continue."
-
Ophidia has been killed. He was Herman Underhill, The Hunter.
Zionite has been killed. He was Lachlan Ackermann, The Politician
It is now Day 3. With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
The deadline is set for July 9th at 0000 hours.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Vote Tom
Tom targeted him.
Zionite Targeted someone I'll let them confirm if they can.
There aren't many possible worlds for night actions at this point.
One of the more likely ones, in my opinion, is "D_V is scum and faking a guilty" but I'll let tom and shadow say their bits before I say more than that I guess.
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If it's relevant, I didn't get any PMs about night actions. So if Zionite (or anyone else) targeted me I cannot confirm that.
With two night kills tonight, that means tomorrow is lylo.
IDGAF that makes Tom dead tomorrow.
Its stupid for me to go for this play today as scum. But go ahead and lynch me then lynch Tom after I flip town.
One of them is "tom and D_V are scum together running the same gambit that was just run in Mistborn."
One of them is "D_V is outed scum and faking a guilty to try to swing a mislynch"
There's others, but. I want tom and shadow's side of the night actions before I indulge in a lot of speculating.
And if the double kills continue, this is actually just mylo unless Rodemy is scum. Because they can kill both of us and a third person toNight if we mislynch. That takes us from 6/2 now to 5/2 toNight to 2/2 toMorrow at dawn, an instant loss.
We either have to lynch scum now or no-lynch and hope they make another pair of kills that narrows down the PoE enough to catch them in F5 (or F6 if they leave me/Rodemy alive.)
Vote D_V
Again, these aren't because I think Silver and DV are scum, just to demonstrate that I still have the double-vote.
I read part of Trigger Happy; I'm surprised that a scum double-voter (even restricted) got through design, but I can continue to confirm my double-vote every Day.
If I was targeted by Zionite, I wasn't informed.
I can't imagine that the double-kills could continue; that seems like it would be the most broken setup ever.
Waiting for others to check in, especially Tom.
I also received no PMs about anything happening. If that helps.
DV's lack of Foresight in dealing with Silver and Rodemy first seems dumb, but I've seen him go guns blazing in other games as town so hmm. I really do think Tom is town, so either DV is just scum here; the extra kills are done by a ninja, or Tom is scum and this game makes zero mechanical sense.
The question that I want to ask everyone is:
Do you think that it's possible that Silver is scum if he has his claimed role?
This has to be the biggest pile of garbage I've ever seen posted in a game.
Pretty sure we went over this early game: Silver's role is unlikely to be strongly indicative of his alignment, especially given the game setup in question.
When can we expect the Tom+Shadow awesomeness?
I'm doing a thing. Do you really think scum!silver has a role that is 100% useless?
Silver if you read my first post today, you should see something that no one else will and have an idea of where I'm going.
Mainly because I didn't expect him to die...
Or is being super pro town for credit in a way that possibly locks him out of the game
Because that is a different story
Yeah, I already said that.
So I'm assuming part of your role forces post restrictions on people? That's kind of hilarious.
I'm up to speed now.
DV is scum or there's a ninja
Actually kind of leaning towards ninja tbh because if it's actually lylo I'd expect him to fake a guilty on... you know... someone he could get lynched over him. Aka... not me. But hold that thought.
@silver
Yes I give posting restrictions. In...ways
@Cantrip: regarding DV dealing with Silver/Rod, I'm not saying he specifically needs to deal with it, I'm saying I believe that to be the most important thing we need to look into today. We all need to deal with it.
We live in one of six worlds.
(2) scum!D_V knows he only needs one more mislynch to win because Rodemy and I are town, so he claims a guilty watch on tom to try to seal it up.
(3) scum!tom told town!D_V to either watch Zionite or Nacho, then took the over-under that D_V picked Nacho.
(4) War's horseman power is "Ninja when performing the factional kill" or Death's extra kill has a "Ninja" modifier. D_V and tom are both town.
(5) tom can be a busdriver and he swapped Zionite and the real night kill. D_V is town, tom could be either.
(6) "Politician" is Iso-rolename-speak for "Bodyguard". D_V is town, tom could be either.
I don't think there are any other possibilities (at least, not any that don't involve ridiculous amounts of speculating like a ninja busdriver or something), but if I left an obvious one out let me know.
(1) and (3) seem pretty silly to me. They're not totally impossible, but...
I'm leaning towards (2) at the moment.
I think (4) is somewhat more likely than (6) in town!D_V worlds. I might look back to see if Zionite crumbed, but he doesn't really seem the sort.
(5) is seems pretty unlikely regardless of whatever else.
Yeah. Issssss you mate...
weh nayd to get outta here.
I recommend you answer my question and let me do what I need to before going down this path of nonsense.
Anyone else posting without addressing my question needs to stop it and answer me. We aren't doing anything else until this is taken care of.
The time for anyone with reservations about us to push a paranoia lynch was yesterDay, now we either need to find and kill Death or no-lynch and see who is left in F5 or F6.
Also, check the pub, I left you an important message.
See my above comment. I wouldn't put it past Iso to randomize the roles and then see that some do little/nothing and be totally ok with them as red herrings/traps. As a player, I wouldn't like it, but I don't feel like it's wise to base play decisions on modgaming, esp. with Iso at the helm.
First off, why do you think scum!DV couldn't get you lynched over him? And second of all...I don't think that you voicing suspicions of a ninja over scum!DV is likely to come from scum!Tom. Maybe you're really good, in which case, I'll be burned and learn my lesson, but...especially with your D1 actions, I think you're town.
Yeah, sorry, I figured out what you meant.
Why did you need to wait for Shadow to post for these? (I know, Shadow posted before Tom, but still, you mentioned Shadow because...?
Possible.
Possible.
Why couldn't scum!Tom have been recommending Zion or Nacho for reverse psych, trying to push DV away from Tom's desired NK's?
I find it hard to believe that Iso would allow the scumteam to have multiple kills AND a ninja. That just seems ridiculous.
This seems pretty unlikely, too.
I feel pretty certain that one of Tom or DV is scum. And I'm leaning toward DV being the one. I have this weird gut feeling that the scumteam is Tom and Silver, but I'm ignoring mit. My internet is acting up, so I'll be back to do more later. Grr.
I don't think like that at all as scum.
also... why is that townie? if i really was scum that killed zion last night wouldn't i need to NOT let myself be in a dichotomy with DV? unless we're scum together which seems like it should make more sense to most people the way ive been just... finding ways to townread him when the easy logic is to not?
we dont lynch silver/rodemy today mechanically
ditto cantrip because while maybe he could perform a factional kill through osi's roleblock i dont think theres any possibility he made the second
shadow is out if you trust either me or him in any way. i promise thats +EV unless you think the world is exactly me/shadow, which it isnt
i think huntz is town
so yeah i think it should be between DV and nacho today
I believe toms role to be randomized even less than I believe yours to be so. Regarding reading Tom outside of our extra knowledge? Town. I only have day one to go off of, but pretty solid town from that day. Everything else I've read with his role in the back of my mind, so I don't think I could give you a good account since then, but I'm fairly certain I don't have to.
So let me rephrase my question so that I stop getting the "we've been over this" answers.
If Silver's claimed role was mod revealed to be his role, do you think that he really could be scum? (Bear in mind that this is a role madness game, and that role is literally vanilla on the scum team)
@Tom: do we reveal or keep back and play the field? Everything on the table would make the process go faster, but if a certain circumstance is met, we have a chance at tomorrow.