if my opinion has changed, ive either said something about it or am being cryptic on purpose
i know i have a lot of posts to go through, but its all there
we are getting to the point in the game where i probably need to reread but i dont want to until ive got another flip.
shrug. like i could go back and quote myself and write a sentence or two modifying it. but really not sure whats so hard to understand about my position here.
Okay, for instance you could clarify your DV read better. You pointed back to post 15-- whatever, and I read it and thought "okay, he's got a fence sit town ish read cause DV isn't doing things he probably would do as scum" (he's not really doing things I think he'd do as town either), but Cantrip read it and thought you had a mild scum read with a single post pointing to town DV, and like, I'm not sure which one of us is right as to what you believe, and you didn't follow up to clarify with Cantrip asking you either. The cryptic stuff I get, but I feel like in effort to be cryptic in one regard, you're being reclusive on other crap too and it's annoying because you're not being incredibly helpful. It's whatever, I think today we just need a lynch, and to move on. Just waiting on a vote count currently.
*sigh* Fiiiine, Tom. You win. Unvote, vote Bur Totally going back on my moral grounds now, thanks. My hands are sullied again.
@Silvercrys: I think you're putting me in with 'people' but forgetting that I might have an individual opinion. One that's changed now, but still.
@Nacho: I couldn't just let you action without showing you that an Osie scum mindset was not only possible, but likely. Whether you think my case has merit isn't so much the point as the behavior being very convenient on scum. If it's obvious that Osie could be scum and then you still close the door on that lynch, it gives me more of a read on you. I'm thinking if I don't do this case, no one will and then Osie gets away with it. Like the calling kpaca town as if it were just a given from his behavior. I had no such read of kpaca at the time so I'm seeing a magic townread that looks constructed (along with a 'look how good I am at this'), along with a lot of other post-constructed content (such as the Tom push). I was really fuming by the time Osie's joking around about busing teammates (cause I'm so smart).
I started my PBPA by just thinking Osie could possibly be scum, but by the end of Day 1 I was tunneled hard. There was no convincing me Osie wasn't scum. I wouldn't have stopped or been convinced by anything anyone could have said, especially any defense Osie managed to make. You're dead wrong that I read any of Osie's posts thinking Osie could be town; every one of them was a red flag. At best, three of Osie's posts were null reads that I gave up trying to figure out. I'm just that bad at mafia and put the cart before the horse.
Ok my main thing with DV from early on that he was unafraid of unalignments. I know I said this early on, including that his buddies would have to be really specific (wheat/nacho/kpaca at the time). and, like, that still holds. not the team part, thats a thing i stopped keeping track of long ago but will note again when i reread him in iso. but the unalignments part. maybe im overestimating DVs scum game just because he's specifically fooled me a couple times, but it just felt too easy to find his possible partners that i dont think he'd play that way as scum.
So... he works as scum now on interactions. Wheat/DV makes visceral sense. He sort of half assedly defended Anak too. From memory he even works with Cantrip. So it's like unlucky town or kind of obvious scum. And the former just rings truer, but I'm over defending him at this point. If I was even defending him earlier by giving a largely unexplained town read.
I think his tone has been fine. More inquisitive than manipulative. More... fun than work for lack of better words. Which would be a scumtell for most but I think the opposite for DV. I definitely don't think laziness/not explaining is any kind of tell at all for him.
The overarching thing is that if he's scum he's playing to go deep, and then didn't bus at all as two teammates dropped day 1? Makes no sense.
@DV: Talk to me about Tom, what is your current read on him, and why?
I literally can't read Tom.
Last time I didn't want to lynch him then yolo lynched him and he was scum.
Every other time I think hes pretty scummy and hes been town.
This game I'm unsure.
I don't want to lynch him but that may be because I've gotten more used to him.
this was the post that initially made me townread him.
maybe im turning into huntzilla, looking at the game through the lense of interactions with me. but this just felt genuine. not like he knew i was town and needed to fool me.
theres more to it than this, the esoteric thing i talked about. will get into that when i make a fresh dv read/iso/post sometime in the next couple of days.
Ok. Read through DV.
That thing I didn't want to talk about is... eroding.
Ok I'm just outing it. I think one of scumDV's weaknesses is reading the flow of the game. He keeps things going too long. Or stops too soon. Or just... can't quite figure out when to do things. And that fits with some stuff. If he's scum, he couldn't tell things had turned against Wheat or Anak soon enough to get any credit for it. But... he also didn't try. I just have a vague feeling scumDV would have joined the Anak wagon. And it would have been too late to actually look good for it. But I do think he would have tried.
It's like, a pretty minor thing. But there's some other stuff early on that he would have needed a pretty good handle on it to fake. Notably in his progression on me and Zion.
So its like... sometimes he's tuned in and sometimes he's not even trying to be. And it makes me think he doesn't have more info than me.
This is like, pretty weak. As I'm typing it. But I think DV is just existing, rather than trying to position himself. Along with the ditaoiwptbaw and unalignments and whatever and I just think he's town despite not voting either wolf or, you know, being super townie. Shrug.
Like, he's a bit out of touch right now though. And those two caveats above. And maybe he pocketed me by... mostly not trying to pocket me.
And I can definitely go either way on this. Consider this a hedge. Where... I don't want to lynch DV but I can totally see worlds where he is scum and I'm just too deep in my own ass trying to predict what he would be doing and anyway I don't think I really said anything in this post and I kinda feel like I wasted my time reading his iso cuz I spent even that time trying to figure out what I was thinking before and if it even still applies with the way flips have turned out and hey this post is pretty interesting:
does scum dv switch his read on the necessary mislynch that is huntzilla for shading a wagon on his buddy wheat?
does he use a w/w comment to townread one of them because he agrees on another? (this one I'll answer for you, dear reader: no)
does scum dv just leave that alone regardless of huntzilla's alignment?
if i were to put it into a single sentence: DV is not playing like he knows people's alignments
if this doesnt look like a strong townread, well, thats because it isnt. DV is still in my poe. none of that changes that he didn't push wheat or anak. other people are still townier.
Quoting my last rainbow wall and changing stuff around. Some explanations have remained the same.
ag/kpaca/osi
shadow/ophi
silver/huntz
nacho/rodemy/zion
DV
cantrip
bur wheat/anak
towniest person itt today might be zion or huntz.
im supposed to look at shadow stuff and yeah thats a thing i should definitely do to decide how much / how cryptically i need to claim
havent really found nacho townie today, but wheat interactions still exist. not sure how i feel about nacho/tammy worlds either other than the vaguely oog-y "i think she would have stuck around to wolf with nacho".
dv moving down largely due to poe. and him being unlikely w/w with osi/cantrip is significantly less relevant.
cantrip moving up assuming votecount will confirm. would move up another slot if he can still do it tomorrow. probably another if hes alive in lylo and can still double vote. but then why is he still alive?
tammy looks connected to anak. bur has been struggly.
silver - twilight alignment knower - soft confirmed by there being a twilight
rodemy - loverizer - confirmed by silver
dv - superwatcher - knew targets of me/huntz before we claimed
huntz - switcher - semiconfirmed by me
ophi - dayvig - confirmed (shot scum)
shadow - received something from me, unknown role
cantrip - double voter - unconfirmed
nacho - gladiator - unconfirmed but too blatant to be fake. should probably still make him use it before lylo just for the sake of caution. actually i dont hate just... making him use it in lylo if its still available then. if nacho is town i trust him to make the choice there. and if hes scum... i hope whoever is alive lynches him.
me/shadow/zion/bur unclaimed
bur is about to change that
*sigh* Fiiiine, Tom. You win. Unvote, vote Bur Totally going back on my moral grounds now, thanks. My hands are sullied again.
@Silvercrys: I think you're putting me in with 'people' but forgetting that I might have an individual opinion. One that's changed now, but still.
@Nacho: I couldn't just let you action without showing you that an Osie scum mindset was not only possible, but likely. Whether you think my case has merit isn't so much the point as the behavior being very convenient on scum. If it's obvious that Osie could be scum and then you still close the door on that lynch, it gives me more of a read on you. I'm thinking if I don't do this case, no one will and then Osie gets away with it. Like the calling kpaca town as if it were just a given from his behavior. I had no such read of kpaca at the time so I'm seeing a magic townread that looks constructed (along with a 'look how good I am at this'), along with a lot of other post-constructed content (such as the Tom push). I was really fuming by the time Osie's joking around about busing teammates (cause I'm so smart).
I started my PBPA by just thinking Osie could possibly be scum, but by the end of Day 1 I was tunneled hard. There was no convincing me Osie wasn't scum. I wouldn't have stopped or been convinced by anything anyone could have said, especially any defense Osie managed to make. You're dead wrong that I read any of Osie's posts thinking Osie could be town; every one of them was a red flag. At best, three of Osie's posts were null reads that I gave up trying to figure out. I'm just that bad at mafia and put the cart before the horse.
That makes sense and reads way more genuinely than I was expecting it to, in particular the bits of you not "wanting to let him get away" and you fuming when he's talking about bussing teammates. Will say that I don't find it particularly likely that you'd bust out a case like this to get one townie lynched over another townie (and if Cantrip was your doublevoting partner you'd be confident he could save himself for now so again I doubt you'd drop a case like that to save him) and the two things together make me considerably more comfortable with a townread on you.
Oh well, looks like time to claim. Not that it matters at all, but:
I'm Russian taxi driver called Isidor Makar (lol @ Iso for flavour fail).
I can hide in taxi and conceal my existance, making me immune to all night actions (even NKs) for a night. I can do this twice.
tl;dr 2-shot hider.
Unvote, Vote Bur.
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Oh well, looks like time to claim. Not that it matters at all, but:
I'm Russian taxi driver called Isidor Makar (lol @ Iso for flavour fail).
I can hide in taxi and conceal my existance, making me immune to all night actions (even NKs) for a night. I can do this twice.
tl;dr 2-shot hider.
Unvote, Vote Bur.
WHY DO YOU DO THIS?!?!
If you're town I'm gonna be ticked. Like come on man!
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Maybe someone could unvote Bur so we can have a little more discussion?
Unvote, unvote
Vote Rodemy Vote Zionite
The above is mostly to demonstrate (if needed/desired) that I can place them on two different people (and I'm not just "Death, who overkills on votes"). Iso clarified that this can't result in two lynches, though.
Oh well, looks like time to claim. Not that it matters at all, but:
I'm Russian taxi driver called Isidor Makar (lol @ Iso for flavour fail).
I can hide in taxi and conceal my existance, making me immune to all night actions (even NKs) for a night. I can do this twice.
tl;dr 2-shot hider.
Unvote, Vote Bur.
WHY DO YOU DO THIS?!?!
If you're town I'm gonna be ticked. Like come on man!
I don't get you.
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Nacho, did you even read the claim? He's a self-hider. Doesn't hide behind anyone. But you sure were anxious to explore that possible avenue of getting him killed.
Oh well, looks like time to claim. Not that it matters at all, but:
I'm Russian taxi driver called Isidor Makar (lol @ Iso for flavour fail).
I can hide in taxi and conceal my existance, making me immune to all night actions (even NKs) for a night. I can do this twice.
tl;dr 2-shot hider.
Unvote, Vote Bur.
WHY DO YOU DO THIS?!?!
If you're town I'm gonna be ticked. Like come on man!
I don't get you.
Why self vote?!?
Like I'm wondering if you're scum hard gambitting to see if you can be saved from a lynch, because you did this in Disinheritance as town.
If you are town, fight back! Give us the ability to look at your wagon and find who pushed you. If you're scum, then whatever, I guess self vote.
I don't think we can not lynch Bur, just due to the risk of him trying to mimick his Disinheritance hopelessness, but it makes me sick to see this happen.
Oh well, looks like time to claim. Not that it matters at all, but:
I'm Russian taxi driver called Isidor Makar (lol @ Iso for flavour fail).
I can hide in taxi and conceal my existance, making me immune to all night actions (even NKs) for a night. I can do this twice.
tl;dr 2-shot hider.
Unvote, Vote Bur.
WHY DO YOU DO THIS?!?!
If you're town I'm gonna be ticked. Like come on man!
I don't get you.
Why self vote?!?
Like I'm wondering if you're scum hard gambitting to see if you can be saved from a lynch, because you did this in Disinheritance as town.
If you are town, fight back! Give us the ability to look at your wagon and find who pushed you. If you're scum, then whatever, I guess self vote.
I don't think we can not lynch Bur, just due to the risk of him trying to mimick his Disinheritance hopelessness, but it makes me sick to see this happen.
Then why aren't you voting me? You can hammer me anytime you want.
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Nacho, did you even read the claim? He's a self-hider. Doesn't hide behind anyone. But you sure were anxious to explore that possible avenue of getting him killed.
1) that's called a commuter
2) this is the second worst reason that i've ever been voted in my life - what's your angle here?
Then why aren't you voting me? You can hammer me anytime you want.
Because I'm lamenting here and so incredibly unhappy that you resorted to a self vote again!
Why lamenting? I'm supposed to be scum, remember? Why does my self-vote matter at all to you?
It's a disrespectful play.
Either you think the townies that you're playing with are too bad to be able to read you properly (and you're refusing to put in the effort to even give them a chance) or you've decided to put up a huge middle finger up to your scumpartners.
You can set aside that gnawing fear too, I'm town. Heck, as scum I would have loved the chance to push for your lynch, it would have been glorious.
Well...yeah, it's been gnawing. But I'm content for now. You and Tom both being quality players, speaking for each other, fairly-to-strongly, goes a long way.
@Nacho: You rushed to ask about a potential avenue of Bur dying, but didn't take the time to read his claim (regardless of what he called it). You didn't sound like you were trying to figure him out; you sounded like you were trying to figure out how to kill him.
Although....that "tl;dr: 2-shot hider" does have some similarities to Anak's "jailer, more or less" claim... Hmm.
so shadow, you've never seen bur do this as scum before (only as town) but we have to lynch him because he did it as town? do I have that right?
I've seen him do it once, and he was town, and I would have fought to save him if he hadn't been immediately hammered. Scum!bur very well could play on that as a Hail Mary, and if we don't sort him now, we basically have hard clear him.
You can set aside that gnawing fear too, I'm town. Heck, as scum I would have loved the chance to push for your lynch, it would have been glorious.
Well...yeah, it's been gnawing. But I'm content for now. You and Tom both being quality players, speaking for each other, fairly-to-strongly, goes a long way.
@Nacho: You rushed to ask about a potential avenue of Bur dying, but didn't take the time to read his claim (regardless of what he called it). You didn't sound like you were trying to figure him out; you sounded like you were trying to figure out how to kill him.
Although....that "tl;dr: 2-shot hider" does have some similarities to Anak's "jailer, more or less" claim... Hmm.
I rushed to ask about a potential investigative result - I read Bur's claim and saw that he mentioned he hid in his taxi but to me claimed role is more important than flavor, especially since there isn't any flavor linked to my ability.
I don't understand why I as scum would be trying to figure out how to kill him in the night when he's at L-1 and I'm not voting him.
The "hahaha you're trying to figure out how to kill him" is just nonsense.
so why is his play here less town than his play in Disinheritance?
i mean mafia could do anything, but we don't lynch because of a possibility; we lynch people because we think it's the most likely scenario.
so why is his play here less town than his play in Disinheritance?
i mean mafia could do anything, but we don't lynch because of a possibility; we lynch people because we think it's the most likely scenario.
Then why aren't you voting me? You can hammer me anytime you want.
Because I'm lamenting here and so incredibly unhappy that you resorted to a self vote again!
Why lamenting? I'm supposed to be scum, remember? Why does my self-vote matter at all to you?
It's a disrespectful play.
Either you think the townies that you're playing with are too bad to be able to read you properly (and you're refusing to put in the effort to even give them a chance) or you've decided to put up a huge middle finger up to your scumpartners.
I mean, what chance are you talking about? I'm in PoE, we are running out of time, I'm me, so it's quite obvious that I'll get lynched no matter what. I mean, I'd lynch me if I was you so...
And if I'm scum, I could just be doing a Hail Mary gambit like shadow said, so how's that a big middle finger?
I rushed to ask about a potential investigative result - I read Bur's claim and saw that he mentioned he hid in his taxi but to me claimed role is more important than flavor, especially since there isn't any flavor linked to my ability.
But his claim says he can hide HIMSELF and make HIMSELF immune to abilities, regardless of flavor. So it didn't sound like you actually read his claim, just his tl;dr (which would be understandable if he wrote a wall, but he didn't).
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I don't understand why I as scum would be trying to figure out how to kill him in the night when he's at L-1 and I'm not voting him.
The "hahaha you're trying to figure out how to kill him" is just nonsense.
The first question ("Who did you target?") feels like you were thinking you should ask a question that town would ask. The second question feels malicious, and you could be asking if you thought his claim and/or self-vote would save him from being lynched.
so why is his play here less town than his play in Disinheritance?
i mean mafia could do anything, but we don't lynch because of a possibility; we lynch people because we think it's the most likely scenario.
You're missing the point, his self vote give up looks very much like it did in Disinheritance, this issue lies in the conversation that took place directly after the hammer, where I got very upset with Manders because I would have unvoted him due to believing his giving up to be disheartened town. Knowing that I had such a strong reaction means that that can be taken advantage of, or at least wouldn't hurt him as a scum gambit.
Yeah, I think that a self vote resignation to be lynched sucks and often comes from town, but it also carries the risk of a last ditch scum effort, and it's very hard to justify letting that tactic work, because it creates moments like this where he could be doing this as either alignment.
But his claim says he can hide HIMSELF and make HIMSELF immune to abilities, regardless of flavor. So it didn't sound like you actually read his claim, just his tl;dr (which would be understandable if he wrote a wall, but he didn't).
Hiders don't hide other people. They make themselves immune to all abilities.
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I don't understand why I as scum would be trying to figure out how to kill him in the night when he's at L-1 and I'm not voting him.
The "hahaha you're trying to figure out how to kill him" is just nonsense.
The first question ("Who did you target?") feels like you were thinking you should ask a question that town would ask. The second question feels malicious, and you could be asking if you thought his claim and/or self-vote would save him from being lynched.
If it's a question I think town should ask, wouldn't I ask it as town too?
How can a question feel malicious? Was it because I used a violent word?
I actually really like this post. Softing no night action with the presence of a known tracker/watcher would be pretty ballsy for scum,
Unless I planned to have my buddy kill the motion detector toNight, of course.
Sure, but you still go on record as not having a targeted action, so if something went wrong you'd be boned. Or I guess you and he are buddies, probably not though?
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@Shadow: What do you think of Zionite? Leaning town or scum? Hard or light? Townier or scummier than me?
I think we're in a world where the last 2 scum are within [you, bur, zionite, DV] and I think you're probably the towniest of that group, but I'm worried that I might have been fooled.
Of everyone else:
tom is clear for reasons
Oph shot Wheat
Silver and Rod are most likely both town due to how their fiasco went down.
Nacho is pretty hard unaligned with wheat and how that all went.
Hunt basically the same but slightly less solid.
Tom, can we talk about DV? I had him as unaligned with Osie, but with Osie's flip, that doesn't mean anything, and overall I'm not seeing why you think he's town, certainly not over Cantrip.
so this was the shadow post that i was supposed to look at. like, obviously i think all of these opinions are reasonable ones. the accusation was parroting me, after all.
umm. ok
if shadow is scum he has certainly pocketed me. but, like, im not sure why he would need to continue. i guess if he really didnt want me to claim today he could go hard on it, but it doesnt actually matter unless he kills me tonight which then why bother.
hes been at approximately the same poe as me for awhile anyway. different order, but overall we've been at around the same place all game.
@zion did you see something in particular that looks like he changed for this post or... just not check for progression or whatever?
i think i mentioned this already but [role related] stuff with shadow is...
ok
if shadow is town, it does some pretty rad stuff. especially when combined with what i do tonight.
if shadow is scum, it forces his hand in a pretty rad way.
heres where im at on claiming:
i think i have to in twilight if silver says bur will flip town
but if hes gonna flip scum...
i have a better plan
it requires an amount of trust in me. but i think i will have ******* earned it in a wheat/anak/bur world
@Nacho: In 1780, weren't you saying that I was saying "self-hider" but you call that "commuter"? I feel like there's some miscommunication that I'm missing. And I think you're scummy not because of the questions you asked, but because I feel you demonstrated that you didn't really care about the claim. If you cared about the claim, you would have read it. You didn't, and then rushed to get a town-sounding question in.
@Bur: If you're not going to unvote, what are your other reads in case you get lynched?
@Silvercrys: I think you're putting me in with 'people' but forgetting that I might have an individual opinion. One that's changed now, but still.
@Nacho: I couldn't just let you action without showing you that an Osie scum mindset was not only possible, but likely. Whether you think my case has merit isn't so much the point as the behavior being very convenient on scum. If it's obvious that Osie could be scum and then you still close the door on that lynch, it gives me more of a read on you. I'm thinking if I don't do this case, no one will and then Osie gets away with it. Like the calling kpaca town as if it were just a given from his behavior. I had no such read of kpaca at the time so I'm seeing a magic townread that looks constructed (along with a 'look how good I am at this'), along with a lot of other post-constructed content (such as the Tom push). I was really fuming by the time Osie's joking around about busing teammates (cause I'm so smart).
I started my PBPA by just thinking Osie could possibly be scum, but by the end of Day 1 I was tunneled hard. There was no convincing me Osie wasn't scum. I wouldn't have stopped or been convinced by anything anyone could have said, especially any defense Osie managed to make. You're dead wrong that I read any of Osie's posts thinking Osie could be town; every one of them was a red flag. At best, three of Osie's posts were null reads that I gave up trying to figure out. I'm just that bad at mafia and put the cart before the horse.
bolded the most important parts to me.
if i were to put it into a single sentence:
DV is not playing like he knows people's alignments
if this doesnt look like a strong townread, well, thats because it isnt. DV is still in my poe. none of that changes that he didn't push wheat or anak. other people are still townier.
ag/kpaca/osishadow/ophi
silver/huntz
nacho/rodemy/zion
DV
cantrip
bur
wheat/anaktowniest person itt today might be zion or huntz.
im supposed to look at shadow stuff and yeah thats a thing i should definitely do to decide how much / how cryptically i need to claim
havent really found nacho townie today, but wheat interactions still exist. not sure how i feel about nacho/tammy worlds either other than the vaguely oog-y "i think she would have stuck around to wolf with nacho".
dv moving down largely due to poe. and him being unlikely w/w with osi/cantrip is significantly less relevant.
cantrip moving up assuming votecount will confirm. would move up another slot if he can still do it tomorrow. probably another if hes alive in lylo and can still double vote. but then why is he still alive?
tammy looks connected to anak. bur has been struggly.
silver - twilight alignment knower - soft confirmed by there being a twilight
rodemy - loverizer - confirmed by silver
dv - superwatcher - knew targets of me/huntz before we claimed
huntz - switcher - semiconfirmed by me
ophi - dayvig - confirmed (shot scum)
shadow - received something from me, unknown role
cantrip - double voter - unconfirmed
nacho - gladiator - unconfirmed but too blatant to be fake. should probably still make him use it before lylo just for the sake of caution. actually i dont hate just... making him use it in lylo if its still available then. if nacho is town i trust him to make the choice there. and if hes scum... i hope whoever is alive lynches him.
me/shadow/zion/bur unclaimed
bur is about to change that
That makes sense and reads way more genuinely than I was expecting it to, in particular the bits of you not "wanting to let him get away" and you fuming when he's talking about bussing teammates. Will say that I don't find it particularly likely that you'd bust out a case like this to get one townie lynched over another townie (and if Cantrip was your doublevoting partner you'd be confident he could save himself for now so again I doubt you'd drop a case like that to save him) and the two things together make me considerably more comfortable with a townread on you.
I'm Russian taxi driver called Isidor Makar (lol @ Iso for flavour fail).
I can hide in taxi and conceal my existance, making me immune to all night actions (even NKs) for a night. I can do this twice.
tl;dr 2-shot hider.
Unvote, Vote Bur.
No, I really am out. F'realsies. Like, I read my role and thought, awesome, I get to be an Innocent Child.
I...don't think so. I've read several games of his, though.
You don't sound like you're having fun. Let me know if there's anything I can do to change that (other than not asking you to repeat yourself).
@Shadow: I think I've asked before, but things have changed: how sure are you that Tom is town?
Pretty sure I could hammer Bur right now if I wanted. Bur should double-check (or wait for a votecount), then claim.
@Bur: Why are you voting yourself?
I mean, why not? There's no use really doing anything, since I'll obviously be today's lynch, so I thought I'd speed up the progress.
If you're town I'm gonna be ticked. Like come on man!
...And you should know that town voting themselves, even in a "hopeless" situation, is -EV.
Cantripmancer (1): Ophidia
tomsloger (1): Rodemy
D_V (1): Silvercrys3467
Ophidia (2): Cantripmancer, Cantripmancer
Bur (5): tomsloger, D_V, Huntzilla, Zionite, Bur (L-1)
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
The deadline expires on June 25th at 0000 hours, EST. (This means that the second Sunday begins, the Day will be over, since there is somehow still confusion despite my use of military time.)
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Unvote, unvote
Vote Rodemy
Vote Zionite
The above is mostly to demonstrate (if needed/desired) that I can place them on two different people (and I'm not just "Death, who overkills on votes"). Iso clarified that this can't result in two lynches, though.
The flavour name isn't Russian, it's closer to Greek.
I don't get you.
By the way...
@Shadow: Are you scum?
Do you die when you hide behind scum?
Nacho, did you even read the claim? He's a self-hider. Doesn't hide behind anyone. But you sure were anxious to explore that possible avenue of getting him killed.
Okay, I maybe worded it poorly.
I don't target anyone. I don't hide behind anyone. I can just choose to became immune to everything.
No shots used.
Like I'm wondering if you're scum hard gambitting to see if you can be saved from a lynch, because you did this in Disinheritance as town.
If you are town, fight back! Give us the ability to look at your wagon and find who pushed you. If you're scum, then whatever, I guess self vote.
I don't think we can not lynch Bur, just due to the risk of him trying to mimick his Disinheritance hopelessness, but it makes me sick to see this happen.
Then why aren't you voting me? You can hammer me anytime you want.
1) that's called a commuter
2) this is the second worst reason that i've ever been voted in my life - what's your angle here?
Why lamenting? I'm supposed to be scum, remember? Why does my self-vote matter at all to you?
It's a disrespectful play.
Either you think the townies that you're playing with are too bad to be able to read you properly (and you're refusing to put in the effort to even give them a chance) or you've decided to put up a huge middle finger up to your scumpartners.
@Nacho: You rushed to ask about a potential avenue of Bur dying, but didn't take the time to read his claim (regardless of what he called it). You didn't sound like you were trying to figure him out; you sounded like you were trying to figure out how to kill him.
Although....that "tl;dr: 2-shot hider" does have some similarities to Anak's "jailer, more or less" claim... Hmm.
I rushed to ask about a potential investigative result - I read Bur's claim and saw that he mentioned he hid in his taxi but to me claimed role is more important than flavor, especially since there isn't any flavor linked to my ability.
I don't understand why I as scum would be trying to figure out how to kill him in the night when he's at L-1 and I'm not voting him.
The "hahaha you're trying to figure out how to kill him" is just nonsense.
i mean mafia could do anything, but we don't lynch because of a possibility; we lynch people because we think it's the most likely scenario.
this is directed @shadow
I mean, what chance are you talking about? I'm in PoE, we are running out of time, I'm me, so it's quite obvious that I'll get lynched no matter what. I mean, I'd lynch me if I was you so...
And if I'm scum, I could just be doing a Hail Mary gambit like shadow said, so how's that a big middle finger?
Since you won't be seeing my role after I flip, so I thought I'd do it just in case someone is interested.
The first question ("Who did you target?") feels like you were thinking you should ask a question that town would ask. The second question feels malicious, and you could be asking if you thought his claim and/or self-vote would save him from being lynched.
Yeah, I think that a self vote resignation to be lynched sucks and often comes from town, but it also carries the risk of a last ditch scum effort, and it's very hard to justify letting that tactic work, because it creates moments like this where he could be doing this as either alignment.
Need to focus on shadow
@cantrip still having a blast don't worry your pretty little head about me
Hiders don't hide other people. They make themselves immune to all abilities.
If it's a question I think town should ask, wouldn't I ask it as town too?
How can a question feel malicious? Was it because I used a violent word?
Well that's a super great contribution.
(For post-game: I think this one's scum)
so this was the shadow post that i was supposed to look at. like, obviously i think all of these opinions are reasonable ones. the accusation was parroting me, after all.
umm. ok
if shadow is scum he has certainly pocketed me. but, like, im not sure why he would need to continue. i guess if he really didnt want me to claim today he could go hard on it, but it doesnt actually matter unless he kills me tonight which then why bother.
hes been at approximately the same poe as me for awhile anyway. different order, but overall we've been at around the same place all game.
@zion did you see something in particular that looks like he changed for this post or... just not check for progression or whatever?
i think i mentioned this already but [role related] stuff with shadow is...
ok
if shadow is town, it does some pretty rad stuff. especially when combined with what i do tonight.
if shadow is scum, it forces his hand in a pretty rad way.
heres where im at on claiming:
i think i have to in twilight if silver says bur will flip town
but if hes gonna flip scum...
i have a better plan
it requires an amount of trust in me. but i think i will have ******* earned it in a wheat/anak/bur world
@Bur: If you're not going to unvote, what are your other reads in case you get lynched?