How are we going to know who got blocked in order to use the ability as a cop if you're dead? Either we force one of them to use the kill or we have a 50% chance to block it, and that's assuming you targeted scum.
osieorb18 has been modkilled for quoting his role PM. No matter which faction wins, this will count as a loss in his game records. The votecount has been reset. The rest of you may continue playing.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
It appears that the lack of role PM quoting rule was an oversight on my behalf. The rules have been updated to reflect this. However, this has always been integral to the sanctity of Mafia games and should frankly have been obvious. Ergo, the modkill on osieorb18 will not be rescinded.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
well, rereading zion's osi stuff i still think it comes from town
even knowing we were both wrong, i think its a good case and more importantly i think he believed it.
worlds as i see them:
cantrip/bur: current guess. mostly just based on individual reads. slightly less likely with bur choosing to just ignore osi who was, lets be honest, a pretty easy push and the counterwagon. slightly nullified if that post came after nacho's claim.
dv/bur: not seeing anything against and it fits in votecounts
cantrip/dv: team powerwolf mcbackfired
[cantrip/dv]/[nacho/rodemy]: makes an amount of sense i suppose
rodemy/silver: lol. other rodemy worlds are mostly just as lol.
one of huntzilla/zion/silver/shadow has fooled me. would need several unexpected flips to even go there
ophi shot a scumbuddy
i... think thats all worlds? sort of eliminating nacho/tammyslot and dv/[several people] for reasons of my own.
I think the lynch is Rodemy. Cantrip is on the table but with the block coming in it seems like a waste, especially if we hit scum today. Bur could go either way. It made a lot of sense in my head with scum!Osie but now I'm back at the Tammy/Nacho thing. Maybe silver, the role doesn't clear him but the use of it makes me think town. It's definitely not D_V.
I think the lynch is Rodemy. Cantrip is on the table but with the block coming in it seems like a waste, especially if we hit scum today. Bur could go either way. It made a lot of sense in my head with scum!Osie but now I'm back at the Tammy/Nacho thing. Maybe silver, the role doesn't clear him but the use of it makes me think town. It's definitely not D_V.
But what do I know, all my reads have sucked. =\
if you trust me, leaving rodemy/silver for tomorrow is MUCH better
remember the "they are lovers" thing
Well, him hitting me last Night isn't going to do a single thing, as I don't have a Night action (no, not even a mafia nightkill).
@Iso: Just to confirm, Osie really was town, right (it wasn't specified in the modkill note or in OP)?
I want to look back at Zionite and Rod, but we essentially got a free flip/second vig shot toDay, so we need to see what that means before moving forward.
Well, him hitting me last Night isn't going to do a single thing, as I don't have a Night action (no, not even a mafia nightkill).
@Iso: Just to confirm, Osie really was town, right (it wasn't specified in the modkill note or in OP)?
I want to look back at Zionite and Rod, but we essentially got a free flip/second vig shot toDay, so we need to see what that means before moving forward.
I actually really like this post. Softing no night action with the presence of a known tracker/watcher would be pretty ballsy for scum, and having to be on record of a role without targeting is a thing. Also, faking a "Even though we all saw that screen shot, was it real?", is something that I don't think scum likely even thinks of doing.
Cantrip, what do you mean "we need to see what that means"?
Haha deadline in 6 days. Plenty of time right?
@Tomsloger: why do we leave the lovers still? Doesn't the modkill change our numbers? How do you know there will be 1 or 2 night kills? Elaborate.
I actually really like this post. Softing no night action with the presence of a known tracker/watcher would be pretty ballsy for scum,
Unless I planned to have my buddy kill the motion detector toNight, of course.
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Cantrip, what do you mean "we need to see what that means"?
I was tired and in a rush when I wrote that. I meant "I want to look back at Zionite and Rod, but we essentially got a free flip/second vig shot toDay, so we need to see what Osie's flip means before moving forward." Trying to communicate that we have new info that may change things.
@Shadow: What do you think of Zionite? Leaning town or scum? Hard or light? Townier or scummier than me?
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
same reasons as yesterday
iso full of mehs
plus wagonomics and dv townread
a lot of poe really.
why do you ask?
I don't feel like there's been much of a case of any sort on me, and I'd like people to go on record, post-Osie flip.
• Why are mehs more likely to come from scum than town?
• What makes you think DV is town?
@All: • I realize it doesn't look particularly good for me that Osie and I were counterwagons, but I know they were two town wagons. With that in mind, who tops your suspect list when I flip town?
I actually really like this post. Softing no night action with the presence of a known tracker/watcher would be pretty ballsy for scum,
Unless I planned to have my buddy kill the motion detector toNight, of course.
Sure, but you still go on record as not having a targeted action, so if something went wrong you'd be boned. Or I guess you and he are buddies, probably not though?
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@Shadow: What do you think of Zionite? Leaning town or scum? Hard or light? Townier or scummier than me?
I think we're in a world where the last 2 scum are within [you, bur, zionite, DV] and I think you're probably the towniest of that group, but I'm worried that I might have been fooled.
Of everyone else:
tom is clear for reasons
Oph shot Wheat
Silver and Rod are most likely both town due to how their fiasco went down.
Nacho is pretty hard unaligned with wheat and how that all went.
Hunt basically the same but slightly less solid.
Tom, can we talk about DV? I had him as unaligned with Osie, but with Osie's flip, that doesn't mean anything, and overall I'm not seeing why you think he's town, certainly not over Cantrip.
That push on to me feels calculated. Unvote Vote Cantrip
Who's pushing you?
I believe Ophid's vote puts me at L-2, so I'll claim, but could I ask for a short delay while I get some answers to questions first? Specifically the above to DV, and then these:
@All: I realize it doesn't look particularly good for me that Osie and I were counterwagons, but I know they were two town wagons. With that in mind, who tops your suspect list when I flip town?
D_V. I'm about, like, 90% there's one in the two of you. Wagonomics, etc. In fact:
That push on to me feels calculated. Unvote Vote Cantrip
Vote: D_V
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D_V/Cantrip wagons, please.
Not sure how I feel about being pushed back on to the table with Osie flipping town after pretty much everyone said we shouldn't be lynched toDay, but when I get a bit I'll redo the lynch math and see what's what I guess.
Anyway. I did make a case on cantrip. It was yesterday, but still applies. That's why I was on him before osi started lying about his day 1 for some reason
My poe is now cantrip>bur>>>>>>>>dv>idk
I have not been asked a question that you couldn't answer yourselves by reading back, so...
if thats not against the rules it 100% should be and thats an oversight.
uhhhh
whatever
frankly if he isnt modkilled for that its something screwy and we should lynch him anyway
but yeah, see my posts last page about his flailing
not sure what to make of bur ignoring him though.
suddenly its maybe, like, knew osi was town and didnt want to be on a mislynch
Roleblocking? o.O
Who did you target N1?
Ask yourself: Is that information more useful to town or to scum?
It's your role, play how you want.
I had too much going on outside of the game to play this properly; I should have replaced out a few weeks ago. I'm sorry about that.
If I don't get modkilled, then I can at least try to contribute better over this week.
Gonna step back and reassess since I spent so much time chasing phantoms.
I legitimately was too busy to give enough time to be certain on my reads for most of this game
You have a bit of a point though on the roleblock.
I hit Cantrip.
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2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Why?
I guess I'll just go back to rereading more stuff now that osie's dead and my points about him don't matter anymore.
even knowing we were both wrong, i think its a good case and more importantly i think he believed it.
worlds as i see them:
cantrip/bur: current guess. mostly just based on individual reads. slightly less likely with bur choosing to just ignore osi who was, lets be honest, a pretty easy push and the counterwagon. slightly nullified if that post came after nacho's claim.
dv/bur: not seeing anything against and it fits in votecounts
cantrip/dv: team powerwolf mcbackfired
[cantrip/dv]/[nacho/rodemy]: makes an amount of sense i suppose
rodemy/silver: lol. other rodemy worlds are mostly just as lol.
one of huntzilla/zion/silver/shadow has fooled me. would need several unexpected flips to even go there
ophi shot a scumbuddy
i... think thats all worlds? sort of eliminating nacho/tammyslot and dv/[several people] for reasons of my own.
I think the lynch is Rodemy. Cantrip is on the table but with the block coming in it seems like a waste, especially if we hit scum today. Bur could go either way. It made a lot of sense in my head with scum!Osie but now I'm back at the Tammy/Nacho thing. Maybe silver, the role doesn't clear him but the use of it makes me think town. It's definitely not D_V.
But what do I know, all my reads have sucked. =\
I feel bad for osie now. He was backed into a corner and started to freak out.
But regardless I feel that cantrip/dv should be the lynch for today.
remember the "they are lovers" thing
Well, him hitting me last Night isn't going to do a single thing, as I don't have a Night action (no, not even a mafia nightkill).
@Iso: Just to confirm, Osie really was town, right (it wasn't specified in the modkill note or in OP)?
I want to look back at Zionite and Rod, but we essentially got a free flip/second vig shot toDay, so we need to see what that means before moving forward.
Double kill time.
Vote Rodemy
Lez do this.
I'm in agreement that silver/Rod can still wait.
Osie's town flip makes me want to go back and look at DV. Probably, Cantrip too for a sanity check. I actually really like this post. Softing no night action with the presence of a known tracker/watcher would be pretty ballsy for scum, and having to be on record of a role without targeting is a thing. Also, faking a "Even though we all saw that screen shot, was it real?", is something that I don't think scum likely even thinks of doing.
Cantrip, what do you mean "we need to see what that means"?
Votecount:
No Lynch (1): tomsloger
Rodemy (1): D_V
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
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@Tomsloger: why do we leave the lovers still? Doesn't the modkill change our numbers? How do you know there will be 1 or 2 night kills? Elaborate.
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nope
just trust me
unvote, vote cantrip
Why?
Why?
Unless I planned to have my buddy kill the motion detector toNight, of course.
I was tired and in a rush when I wrote that. I meant "I want to look back at Zionite and Rod, but we essentially got a free flip/second vig shot toDay, so we need to see what Osie's flip means before moving forward." Trying to communicate that we have new info that may change things.
@Shadow: What do you think of Zionite? Leaning town or scum? Hard or light? Townier or scummier than me?
Why?
I will update the OP to reflect osi's alignment.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
iso full of mehs
plus wagonomics and dv townread
a lot of poe really.
why do you ask?
• Why are mehs more likely to come from scum than town?
• What makes you think DV is town?
@All: • I realize it doesn't look particularly good for me that Osie and I were counterwagons, but I know they were two town wagons. With that in mind, who tops your suspect list when I flip town?
Of everyone else:
tom is clear for reasons
Oph shot Wheat
Silver and Rod are most likely both town due to how their fiasco went down.
Nacho is pretty hard unaligned with wheat and how that all went.
Hunt basically the same but slightly less solid.
Tom, can we talk about DV? I had him as unaligned with Osie, but with Osie's flip, that doesn't mean anything, and overall I'm not seeing why you think he's town, certainly not over Cantrip.
Unvote Vote Cantrip
Vote cantrip
I believe Ophid's vote puts me at L-2, so I'll claim, but could I ask for a short delay while I get some answers to questions first? Specifically the above to DV, and then these:
No matter what, do NOT lynch me without my claim, please I promise it'll be worth the wait.
That was a ***** move...
vote tom
I like this.
Vote: D_V
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D_V/Cantrip wagons, please.
Not sure how I feel about being pushed back on to the table with Osie flipping town after pretty much everyone said we shouldn't be lynched toDay, but when I get a bit I'll redo the lynch math and see what's what I guess.
@silver I'm currently confident enough to only soft my n1 action rather than claim
@rod what are you yammering about?
Are you kidding me?
Since I'm like 90% certain one of Silver or Shadow is scum now that means the other needs to get their head out of their ass.
Anyway. I did make a case on cantrip. It was yesterday, but still applies. That's why I was on him before osi started lying about his day 1 for some reason
My poe is now cantrip>bur>>>>>>>>dv>idk
I have not been asked a question that you couldn't answer yourselves by reading back, so...
I'll take a closer look at Cantrip+Wheat/Anak interactions tomorrow, after I get home.
See next post after that