I mean really the thing that I'm struggling with the most here is Tom's "oh there must be a ninja double killer here, sweet" in response to the DV claim when he was middling on DV yesterday; definitely doesn't seem natural or normal at all to me so very curious why Cantrip reached pretty much the opposite conclusion.
I mean really the thing that I'm struggling with the most here is Tom's "oh there must be a ninja double killer here, sweet" in response to the DV claim when he was middling on DV yesterday; definitely doesn't seem natural or normal at all to me so very curious why Cantrip reached pretty much the opposite conclusion.
agreeing with you here
i touched on this is my own response to cantrip, but my DV read has been weird for me i can only imagine how weird it must look from the outside
its like theres votals and now a false/incomplete night result that tell me he's scum but ive just been looking for ways for him to be town based on really specific meta stuff or my own expectations of what he'd do as scum and i just dont know what to think anymore
right now, well... im voting for you. so...
I move that Zero trust be given to the Tom Shadow thing.
I have zero trust for it at this point and I think Shadow has been hoodwinked by Tom.
It would take some serious unexpected kerfuffles for me to even consider this.
Like, how is this not just fearmongering?
IDK the fact that you are ignoring the possibility at all?
When we have two lovers who I assume can talk to each other, and you and Tom hinting at that you can talk to each other you don't see the problem with giving Town that kind of power?
No instead you are assuming "Tom's power makes him town". The most dangerous assumption when its just you that knows and you've proven in many other games you lack the foresight to be able to make those calls.
So yeah I don't ******* trust your call one bit.
Consider me worthless until you two come out and claim.
I move that Zero trust be given to the Tom Shadow thing.
I have zero trust for it at this point and I think Shadow has been hoodwinked by Tom.
It would take some serious unexpected kerfuffles for me to even consider this.
Like, how is this not just fearmongering?
IDK the fact that you are ignoring the possibility at all?
When we have two lovers who I assume can talk to each other, and you and Tom hinting at that you can talk to each other you don't see the problem with giving Town that kind of power?
No instead you are assuming "Tom's power makes him town". The most dangerous assumption when its just you that knows and you've proven in many other games you lack the foresight to be able to make those calls.
So yeah I don't ******* trust your call one bit.
Consider me worthless until you two come out and claim.
Kerfuffle
If Tom is scum, there is no reason for him to have the role that he does, as it is actively working against a scum wincon, and combined with his behavior, and that he actually actively caught 2 scum on day one, I cannot conceive of a scenario where he is scum here.
And I resent the accusation that I have proven a lack of foresight in previous games, especially going so far as to say many. I have made decisions in exactly 2 games that were arguably incorrect. And in both of those games I don't believe it was a lack of foresight. In Revolution, I argued against lynching Hunt day one as a claimed doc (ish), and while he was scum, I stand by that call (and in the same game, I did lead the game winning lynch onto scum). In Mistborn, I made a bad call based on flavor, but had I succeeded in pushing through the opposite lynch, I believe town may have actually won that game.
If Tom is scum, there is no reason for him to have the role that he does, as it is actively working against a scum wincon, and combined with his behavior, and that he actually actively caught 2 scum on day one, I cannot conceive of a scenario where he is scum here.
THEN ******* SHARE IT SO WE CAN CLEAR HIM.
He state we are in Lylo. Why in the world would we withhold information?
Maybe its because he knows its bull*****. And has pulled the wool over your eyes.
I've got him on a night kill.
Your assumption is "Must be ninja". Or I guess I'm lying.
DV
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i gave shadow an ability that, if he is town, guarantees we beat any team except exactly silver/rodemy. we'd still have to figure it out but they can't win tonight anyway.
and we can still beat scumshadow if we lynch his partner today or his partner is one of the lovers
i feel pretty damn good about it.
shadow only knows what that ability is, and that he has to use "kerfuffle" in every post to use it that night.
and what we've talked about in thread.
from shadow's pov (assuming town), the only way the ability i gave him could come from scum is if it was fake. else i would always give it to a buddy. and he should also have figured out that the game is locked for him unless rodemy/silver or me (with the same partner caveats as how i can still beat him i think though i havent thought through them)
there are more teams we can both lose to by claiming it.
and thats as much as im claiming before we maj someone.
i started this post to DV but i guess its to everyone.
thats the sitch here.
The role being weak is EXACTLY WHY IT IS RANDOMIZED. if the role was strong like Ophidia's role (probably too broken to give scum an additional killing ability to the double kill) then it makes sense for it not to be randomized but a role being too weak to be randomized is literally not a thing at all.
The role being weak is EXACTLY WHY IT IS RANDOMIZED. if the role was strong like Ophidia's role (probably too broken to give scum an additional killing ability to the double kill) then it makes sense for it not to be randomized but a role being too weak to be randomized is literally not a thing at all.
And I most certainly don't trust shadow worth a ***** to tell me whether a role is too whatever to be randomized or not when he's making the "silver's role is too weak to be randomized" argument completely out of the blue for absolutely no reason.
And I most certainly don't trust shadow worth a ***** to tell me whether a role is too whatever to be randomized or not when he's making the "silver's role is too weak to be randomized" argument completely out of the blue for absolutely no reason.
Oh hey look who I'm not lynching today.
Scum Nacho ain't faking this.
So that's two down.
That leaves Tom.
Shadow's his dupe so we can write shadow off as Dumb town this game.
And I most certainly don't trust shadow worth a ***** to tell me whether a role is too whatever to be randomized or not when he's making the "silver's role is too weak to be randomized" argument completely out of the blue for absolutely no reason.
Kerfuffle
I'm not arguing that it's too low power, I'm arguing that his role is not a role that scum ever have because it's A FREAKING LITERAL VANILLA ROLE.
The thought "oh is it just dv and nacho" springs to mind
Idk they both played well if scum but... yeah
Pretty aggro on me/shadow plan right now. Like they know we have it sewed up.
The thought "oh is it just dv and nacho" springs to mind
Idk they both played well if scum but... yeah
Pretty aggro on me/shadow plan right now. Like they know we have it sewed up.
Kerfuffle. This will be how I start every post today, deal with it.
DV's lack of Foresight in dealing with Silver and Rodemy first seems dumb, but I've seen him go guns blazing in other games as town so hmm. I really do think Tom is town, so either DV is just scum here; the extra kills are done by a ninja, or Tom is scum and this game makes zero mechanical sense.
The question that I want to ask everyone is:
Do you think that it's possible that Silver is scum if he has his claimed role?
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Kerfuffle. This will be how I start every post today, deal with it.
DV's lack of Foresight in dealing with Silver and Rodemy first seems dumb, but I've seen him go guns blazing in other games as town so hmm. I really do think Tom is town, so either DV is just scum here; the extra kills are done by a ninja, or Tom is scum and this game makes zero mechanical sense.
The question that I want to ask everyone is:
Do you think that it's possible that Silver is scum if he has his claimed role?
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silver's role
yes its fakeable. but there is a twilight
and i dont think hes faking anyway the way he responded to huntz' claim about testing to make sure he had it.
randomized roles and all, so if silver is scum he's essentially a goon + horseman ability
especially with huntz' role in the game
im basically ignoring silver's role wrt to getting a read on him. behaviorally, i think hes town.
but then, ive spent most of my time since day 1 town hunting. see my DV read and finding ways to townread him and possibly just leveling myself.
but yeah. ignore it.
cantrip's role im also ignoring to some extent. double voter seems like a town role, but i really see no reason it couldnt be scum. especially with huntz' role telling us that roles can be switched around, etc.
setupgaming in this setup is dumb. even i fell into the trap with nacho-gladiator=war. and, like, it still makes sense in my head. but... like come on. iso actively screws with his players all the damn time. he even told us roles were (semi)randomized.
I know that some of this has been discussed, but we're at 8 players: 6 town, 2 scum. A mislynch and a NK takes us to 4-2, a mislynch and two NKs takes us to 3-2, a mislynch and three NKs (where Silver and Rod are both town) take us to 2-2. If we deal with the lovers toDay and they're both town, we're at 3-2 or 2-2 with a double-NK. I cannot believe that an unrestricted double-kill would get through review. Especially with a dayvig. In fact, worst case scenario: If Ophid had hit town D1, mislynch, double-kill, game is at 8-4, mislynch, double-kill, game is at 5-4 and lylo Day 3. Even a correct lynch there ends in a town loss if scum can double-kill again. So I'm going to CHOOSE to believe that the double-kills are done. Because if not, this game is cracked. Wouldn't be the first time for an Iso game, but reviews have gotten tighter, I think, since the last one. If there is a third double-kill, it's got to be something tied to the number of dead scum/town-to-scum ratio. So I think we'd be safe ("safe") lynching Silver or Rod toDay, even if they're both town. The problem there is I think there's a good chance they're both town.
There's fairly obviously not a ninja double killer because that's incredibly, incredibly terrible; don't understand why Cantrip thinks that Tom bringing up the possibility makes him lock town.
Here's where I was on this. If scum!Tom gets caught by town!DV motion detector, he has two options: discredit DV and try to get him lynched, or push for the presence of a ninja. Either way, the ninja possibility is an option he can angle for later, but if he gets DV lynched, he's one town closer to the win. I don't think lynching DV is an auto-win for scum!Tom, because I'm pretty sure we're done with double NKs, but getting rid of the motion detector would be a step in the right direction. So it seemed to me that taking the "DV's not scum; there must be a ninja" was taking the hard road. But now I'm having doubts. EDIT: And now Tom's voting DV.
DV is scum or there's a ninja
Actually kind of leaning towards ninja tbh because if it's actually lylo I'd expect him to fake a guilty on... you know... someone he could get lynched over him. Aka... not me. But hold that thought.
First off, why do you think scum!DV couldn't get you lynched over him? And second of all...I don't think that you voicing suspicions of a ninja over scum!DV is likely to come from scum!Tom. Maybe you're really good, in which case, I'll be burned and learn my lesson, but...especially with your D1 actions, I think you're town.
i would say in general me and DV are about equally hard to lynch (this is relative of course because people tend to find both of us scummy based on playstyle but its hard for them to actually jam it through) but in this game in particular... you know i lynched two scum day 1 while he ignored both. but then again, who would he really have as lynchable people in this game that ARENT rodemy/silver to make today a game-winning mislynch? cant be you because of roleblock. zion died. and i dont feel like he'd win a thunderdome with shadow, nacho, or huntz...
Ok, I see where you're coming from.
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also... why is that townie? if i really was scum that killed zion last night wouldn't i need to NOT let myself be in a dichotomy with DV? unless we're scum together which seems like it should make more sense to most people the way ive been just... finding ways to townread him when the easy logic is to not?
I HAVE A ROLE RELATED REASON TO NOT LYNCH SILVER AND RODEMY TODAY IT'S THE SAME AS SHADOWS REASON DON'T ******* DO IT
So I know you're still keeping everything on the QT, but...I sorta feel like Shadow's right: we need to figure out if we're going to lynch the lovers toDay, and if you still have a reason not to, I'm not sure I can continue to just take your word for it.
if shadow is town, it does some pretty rad stuff. especially when combined with what i do tonight.
if shadow is scum, it forces his hand in a pretty rad way.
heres where im at on claiming:
i think i have to in twilight if silver says bur will flip town
but if hes gonna flip scum...
i have a better plan
it requires an amount of trust in me. but i think i will have ******* earned it in a wheat/anak/bur world
and you're furthering the mystery in 1966. Now, I'm all for awesome town plays that win games spectacularly, but we're close enough to lylo/mylo that it would be really nice to have some certainty, which is what it sounds like you have.
I guess what I'm getting at is that I'd rather we won than that we lost because you wanted to win spectacularly.
Unless you're scum, in which case, I'd rather we won than that we lost because we never questioned your mysterious ploy. So, I sorta feel like you need to explain before twilight. Especially after your "if Bur flips town, I think I have to claim (*tease, tease*)", followed by just more mystery.
DV choosing Tom as a mislynch target doesn't actually make any sense, as he noted; if he's going for the game winning mislynch he has a bunch of targets that people are willing to push for instead but he chooses tom? Doubtful.
Do you feel strongly enough this way that you think this town-clears DV?
If Silver's claimed role was mod revealed to be his role, do you think that he really could be scum? (Bear in mind that this is a role madness game, and that role is literally vanilla on the scum team)
I think you're putting too much stock in this argument. Role madness or not, the scum all have Horsemen abilities, so any role that seems like it only makes sense on town could very easily be randomized to scum as long as the ability doesn't throw the balance of the game out of whack. Like I said, I think there's a good chance Silver's town based on his behavior, so if you're trying to convince me that Silver's town, don't bother. I'm making this point, however, because you seem to have a giant blind spot for Tom, and I can't tell if it's because he's scum and fooled you, or if you're scum with him, or if it really is THAT POWERFUL of a role that there's zero chance that he's scum.
If Tom is scum, there is no reason for him to have the role that he does, as it is actively working against a scum wincon, and combined with his behavior, and that he actually actively caught 2 scum on day one, I cannot conceive of a scenario where he is scum here.
THEN ******* SHARE IT SO WE CAN CLEAR HIM.
Pretty much /barn. To channel the Walrus, the time has come.
And I most certainly don't trust shadow worth a ***** to tell me whether a role is too whatever to be randomized or not when he's making the "silver's role is too weak to be randomized" argument completely out of the blue for absolutely no reason.
So that's two down.
That leaves Tom.
Shadow's his dupe so we can write shadow off as Dumb town this game.
Who's the other that's down besides Nacho? And how did you go from a field of 7 - 2 = Tom?
So I'm at that point that I seem to hit every game. It's nearing mylo/lylo, and I feel like I ought to be able to figure things out and cut through the bull and lynch scum, but inevitably I'm completely wrong and it drives me nuts. I agree that setupgaming is dumb, as I could see every claimed role other than my own being randomizable onto scum. Behaviorally I feel like Silver and Tom are town, and I also agree that if DV is scum, his choice of Tom as a mislynch target is odd enough that DV is likely town. Beyond that, I feel very lost.
@Nacho: Is Hunt town or scum? Why?
@Silver: Is Rod town or scum? Why? If DV's scum, who's his buddy?
This is where I'm at when I consider mechanics as well as behavior. And I frankly can't not consider mechanics at least to a point. Call me bad, call me foolish, whatever, I know what I know and that's not going to change.
@Tom, is there a reason we are letting them believe that thing that's not true? I was going to correct it but after your response I didn't, I kinda feel like we should. Also, I feel like Rod might be our best lynch right now, I am guessing it's a bit obvious what I'm on about with Silver at this point.
This is where I'm at when I consider mechanics as well as behavior. And I frankly can't not consider mechanics at least to a point. Call me bad, call me foolish, whatever, I know what I know and that's not going to change.
@Tom, is there a reason we are letting them believe that thing that's not true? I was going to correct it but after your response I didn't, I kinda feel like we should. Also, I feel like Rod might be our best lynch right now, I am guessing it's a bit obvious what I'm on about with Silver at this point.
If you're town I'm bringing up this game every time you ever say anything about mechanics ever again.
ok ive reached a point where its hard to explain more without giving too much away.
the reason i was 100% against lynching rod/silver yesterday doesnt apply today.
BUT, in addition to thinking theyre both town, if either is scum they cant win tonight even if they do have the double kill because they cant turn it into a triple kill. thats the reason to push them to the backburner today even if you do think one is scum. but again, i dont.
dv im just sort of giving up on townreading at this point. i found lots of reasons why he could be town when i looked for them but. like he didnt vote scum. hes just basing reads on wild assumptions. and he feels super cornered by me and shadow right now.
@shadow i think we should just stop talking about it. ive given information and disinformation in large enough amounts that its probably just getting annoying to town and scum is as filled with dread as theyre gonna get.
pretty happy to just let the day play out and then do the thing.
like i think i can say that everything will make sense by eod but ive definitely said some things specifically so scum cant figure out whats going on.
but the overall approach that i (and shadow, under my direction) have taken i think is pretty solid. hope it wasnt too annoying for everyone else. but there was a purpose.
You're making guesses about roles that we have absolutely zero idea about and how they could interact, then telling me I'm bad for making the assumptions I have about roles I know? I don't think you could push any harder to discredit me than this, I mean come on, you're just being ridiculous now.
Kerfuffle.
i think we stay mum until twilight
i touched on this is my own response to cantrip, but my DV read has been weird for me i can only imagine how weird it must look from the outside
its like theres votals and now a false/incomplete night result that tell me he's scum but ive just been looking for ways for him to be town based on really specific meta stuff or my own expectations of what he'd do as scum and i just dont know what to think anymore
right now, well... im voting for you. so...
I have zero trust for it at this point and I think Shadow has been hoodwinked by Tom.
Like, how is this not just fearmongering?
IDK the fact that you are ignoring the possibility at all?
When we have two lovers who I assume can talk to each other, and you and Tom hinting at that you can talk to each other you don't see the problem with giving Town that kind of power?
No instead you are assuming "Tom's power makes him town". The most dangerous assumption when its just you that knows and you've proven in many other games you lack the foresight to be able to make those calls.
So yeah I don't ******* trust your call one bit.
Consider me worthless until you two come out and claim.
If Tom is scum, there is no reason for him to have the role that he does, as it is actively working against a scum wincon, and combined with his behavior, and that he actually actively caught 2 scum on day one, I cannot conceive of a scenario where he is scum here.
And I resent the accusation that I have proven a lack of foresight in previous games, especially going so far as to say many. I have made decisions in exactly 2 games that were arguably incorrect. And in both of those games I don't believe it was a lack of foresight. In Revolution, I argued against lynching Hunt day one as a claimed doc (ish), and while he was scum, I stand by that call (and in the same game, I did lead the game winning lynch onto scum). In Mistborn, I made a bad call based on flavor, but had I succeeded in pushing through the opposite lynch, I believe town may have actually won that game.
THEN ******* SHARE IT SO WE CAN CLEAR HIM.
He state we are in Lylo. Why in the world would we withhold information?
Maybe its because he knows its bull*****. And has pulled the wool over your eyes.
I've got him on a night kill.
Your assumption is "Must be ninja". Or I guess I'm lying.
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i gave shadow an ability that, if he is town, guarantees we beat any team except exactly silver/rodemy. we'd still have to figure it out but they can't win tonight anyway.
and we can still beat scumshadow if we lynch his partner today or his partner is one of the lovers
i feel pretty damn good about it.
shadow only knows what that ability is, and that he has to use "kerfuffle" in every post to use it that night.
and what we've talked about in thread.
from shadow's pov (assuming town), the only way the ability i gave him could come from scum is if it was fake. else i would always give it to a buddy. and he should also have figured out that the game is locked for him unless rodemy/silver or me (with the same partner caveats as how i can still beat him i think though i havent thought through them)
there are more teams we can both lose to by claiming it.
and thats as much as im claiming before we maj someone.
i started this post to DV but i guess its to everyone.
thats the sitch here.
The role being weak is EXACTLY WHY IT IS RANDOMIZED. if the role was strong like Ophidia's role (probably too broken to give scum an additional killing ability to the double kill) then it makes sense for it not to be randomized but a role being too weak to be randomized is literally not a thing at all.
Basically none, but not LITTERALLY vanilla.
Oh hey look who I'm not lynching today.
Scum Nacho ain't faking this.
So that's two down.
That leaves Tom.
Shadow's his dupe so we can write shadow off as Dumb town this game.
I'm not arguing that it's too low power, I'm arguing that his role is not a role that scum ever have because it's A FREAKING LITERAL VANILLA ROLE.
Nacho did anything happen to you last night?
Idk they both played well if scum but... yeah
Pretty aggro on me/shadow plan right now. Like they know we have it sewed up.
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D_v's night axshuns so far are from wah you've dun... that aligns yew two extremely.
I stayl have a inkling silver cul be scum, buh other than thah, i see a push towards nacho rai now.
I dunno... iss rather confusing rai now.
If d_v is hinting nacho had a nai aktion I can rule im out as scum.
Thah laves tom (80% shur) and silver...
And if nacho had night actions he's lock scum so...
And you think me and dv are together because he targeted me once and saw me visit zion
But you're trusting dv to clear nacho
But it might be silver because... he's lying and anak was town?
Do I have a good grasp on your opinions?
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yes its fakeable. but there is a twilight
and i dont think hes faking anyway the way he responded to huntz' claim about testing to make sure he had it.
randomized roles and all, so if silver is scum he's essentially a goon + horseman ability
especially with huntz' role in the game
im basically ignoring silver's role wrt to getting a read on him. behaviorally, i think hes town.
but then, ive spent most of my time since day 1 town hunting. see my DV read and finding ways to townread him and possibly just leveling myself.
but yeah. ignore it.
cantrip's role im also ignoring to some extent. double voter seems like a town role, but i really see no reason it couldnt be scum. especially with huntz' role telling us that roles can be switched around, etc.
setupgaming in this setup is dumb. even i fell into the trap with nacho-gladiator=war. and, like, it still makes sense in my head. but... like come on. iso actively screws with his players all the damn time. he even told us roles were (semi)randomized.
unvote, vote DV
Here's where I was on this. If scum!Tom gets caught by town!DV motion detector, he has two options: discredit DV and try to get him lynched, or push for the presence of a ninja. Either way, the ninja possibility is an option he can angle for later, but if he gets DV lynched, he's one town closer to the win. I don't think lynching DV is an auto-win for scum!Tom, because I'm pretty sure we're done with double NKs, but getting rid of the motion detector would be a step in the right direction. So it seemed to me that taking the "DV's not scum; there must be a ninja" was taking the hard road. But now I'm having doubts. EDIT: And now Tom's voting DV.
Ok, I see where you're coming from.
So why ARE you townreading him?
Why not? What mechanical reasons are you using for this logic? Actually, while we're here, I want to go back. Because you said:
So I know you're still keeping everything on the QT, but...I sorta feel like Shadow's right: we need to figure out if we're going to lynch the lovers toDay, and if you still have a reason not to, I'm not sure I can continue to just take your word for it.
Similarly, you said:
and you're furthering the mystery in 1966. Now, I'm all for awesome town plays that win games spectacularly, but we're close enough to lylo/mylo that it would be really nice to have some certainty, which is what it sounds like you have.
I guess what I'm getting at is that I'd rather we won than that we lost because you wanted to win spectacularly.
Unless you're scum, in which case, I'd rather we won than that we lost because we never questioned your mysterious ploy. So, I sorta feel like you need to explain before twilight. Especially after your "if Bur flips town, I think I have to claim (*tease, tease*)", followed by just more mystery.
Do you feel strongly enough this way that you think this town-clears DV?
I think you're putting too much stock in this argument. Role madness or not, the scum all have Horsemen abilities, so any role that seems like it only makes sense on town could very easily be randomized to scum as long as the ability doesn't throw the balance of the game out of whack. Like I said, I think there's a good chance Silver's town based on his behavior, so if you're trying to convince me that Silver's town, don't bother. I'm making this point, however, because you seem to have a giant blind spot for Tom, and I can't tell if it's because he's scum and fooled you, or if you're scum with him, or if it really is THAT POWERFUL of a role that there's zero chance that he's scum.
Pretty much /barn. To channel the Walrus, the time has come.
Who's the other that's down besides Nacho? And how did you go from a field of 7 - 2 = Tom?
So I'm at that point that I seem to hit every game. It's nearing mylo/lylo, and I feel like I ought to be able to figure things out and cut through the bull and lynch scum, but inevitably I'm completely wrong and it drives me nuts. I agree that setupgaming is dumb, as I could see every claimed role other than my own being randomizable onto scum. Behaviorally I feel like Silver and Tom are town, and I also agree that if DV is scum, his choice of Tom as a mislynch target is odd enough that DV is likely town. Beyond that, I feel very lost.
@Nacho: Is Hunt town or scum? Why?
@Silver: Is Rod town or scum? Why? If DV's scum, who's his buddy?
@Shadow: Who are the scum?
tom
Silver/Cantrip
Rod/Hunt/nacho
DV
This is where I'm at when I consider mechanics as well as behavior. And I frankly can't not consider mechanics at least to a point. Call me bad, call me foolish, whatever, I know what I know and that's not going to change.
@Tom, is there a reason we are letting them believe that thing that's not true? I was going to correct it but after your response I didn't, I kinda feel like we should. Also, I feel like Rod might be our best lynch right now, I am guessing it's a bit obvious what I'm on about with Silver at this point.
If you're town I'm bringing up this game every time you ever say anything about mechanics ever again.
You got played.
the reason i was 100% against lynching rod/silver yesterday doesnt apply today.
BUT, in addition to thinking theyre both town, if either is scum they cant win tonight even if they do have the double kill because they cant turn it into a triple kill. thats the reason to push them to the backburner today even if you do think one is scum. but again, i dont.
dv im just sort of giving up on townreading at this point. i found lots of reasons why he could be town when i looked for them but. like he didnt vote scum. hes just basing reads on wild assumptions. and he feels super cornered by me and shadow right now.
@shadow i think we should just stop talking about it. ive given information and disinformation in large enough amounts that its probably just getting annoying to town and scum is as filled with dread as theyre gonna get.
pretty happy to just let the day play out and then do the thing.
but the overall approach that i (and shadow, under my direction) have taken i think is pretty solid. hope it wasnt too annoying for everyone else. but there was a purpose.
So having him be yellow makes your ability once again to understand any mechanics Shadow is a joke.
What ever.
I'm sorry but what? There is no way you think Rodemy's role should ever be a mechanical clear, you're full of crap.
Vote DV
So the scum have double kills at night and a way to make sure one of their members takes someone with them when Lynched?
Did you even think before you opened your mouth?
Like you can't even reason this simple logic.
Stay bad.
Yet you can't apply the reverse logic of something being too strong to be on scum.
Yeah you know when I said you couldn't be trusted.
You've just proven it.
I'm so done with you, get lynched scum.
Not even going to adress this?
You're making guesses about roles that we have absolutely zero idea about and how they could interact, then telling me I'm bad for making the assumptions I have about roles I know? I don't think you could push any harder to discredit me than this, I mean come on, you're just being ridiculous now.