@Shadow: I'm not sure what you find weird about my opening post when there was already an extended discussion about it pregame - I mean sure you can cut me down for making *****ty jokes but I don't really understand why it was odd to you.
It felt forced is all, but I think it would probably have fit in better during actual RVS. Regardless, I think with Wheat's flip you're probably just town.
I kind of like the osie read even though it seems kind of arbitrary to me; don't understand why scum are less capable of making jokes as opposed to town.
Not really a question, but Osie's specific comment was a direct reference to Avalon, and it just struck me as an early town ping.
I've established that I'm town to anyone reading me =)
DV, talk to me about this, why should I believe that you've “established that you're town.” Heck, what have you said that is even remotely leaves a mark on this game?
@Everyone, please answer this question: Is wheat worth a shot?
If yes, why is he scum and what info can we gain from the shot?
If no, why is he town and who would you rather kill?
i think he's probably scum. i already talked about his approach to me this game but you may not know the history behind it. we mindmelded incredibly hard in stmu4, just agreeing on stuff all over the place and figured out that each other were town super fast because of it.
in this game he's talked about the mindmeld happening/not happening in a way that makes me responsible for creating it, but townread me anyway. he's not trying to solve and see if we're together. he's just trying to get me to townread him.
as for information, im not really sure. wheat flipping scum probably soft clears nacho (and me but im already super obviously town) and sorta points at huntz. but a town flip doesnt mean much at all afaict
Tom being the first to respond to this, and pushing for the wheat shot, just doesn't come from scum that is okay with their partner being day killed on the first day again.
Or that might make Hunt scum.
Need to reread wheat since I think you all are on crack to vote him right now.
I think DV actually might be scum here, especially if hunt is town. He props up hunt and then immediately backtracks. He feels like he's both trying to offer some push back from Wheat and keep hunt lynchable.
I'd say that you shoot Wheat or Huntz. I don't know about info that we can gain, besides who scumbuddies might be from looking over posts, and soft clears on a couple other people.
Do you think Hunt and Wheat are plausible buddies?
Like, we could reasonably do:
If Huntz flips town, then we lynch Wheat. If Huntz flips scum, then we lynch Nacho.
So you don't think Wheat and Hunt are buddies. If Osie is scum, I'd probably hard clear Hunt. Osie, talk to me about why you thought Hunt and Nacho were buddies?
This strange tunneling of me without reasons why. It has usually come from scum in the past. I say usually because Tom actually did it to me as my scumbuddy a couple games ago.
My reasoning is your lurking, the seriousness of your RVS vote, and, now, the fact that you continue to make flimsy arguments throwing shade...
Also, what's up with you and Rodemy? He's no longer posting ridiculously cryptic posts, and his posts have been fine; he doesn't make sense for a day 1 lynch.
Two things about this post bother me, using an RVS vote as a reason to continue pushing someone, and the bolded, which feels weird. I'm not sure if it's setting up town cred for a bus/distance if he needs to, or just straight up lining up a mislynch for later.
I can't believe I'm the one saying this now, but why the heck are you parking your vote in the middle of nowhere when you're going V/LA?
This just screams fearmongering. Like really, plenty of time left in the day, no one (or maybe one other person?) was even voting Anak, and if a wagon had formed, I'd be happy with it. However, just for you: Unvote, Vote Osie
Hmm, this is the second instance of DV calling Osie scum in as many pages; and the way it's done doesn't feel like distancing. Soft unaligned here, which is annoying, cause I think they're both scummy.
Shadowlancerx, as in Revolution Mafia, has hit every spot on my list except for a strong scumread. Shadow is also notoriously fantastic as scum, but he has made some very good town posts. At the moment, I'm wary of Shadow, so I'm putting him under scumleans, but he may redeem himself. Or maybe not.
What the heck kind of scum lean is this? I've made some good town posts, but I'm fantastic as scum so therefore be so wary as to scum read me? This is a fake read, and waffly as crap.
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Huntzilla seems like textbook scum. If anyone should get hit by a vig shot, it would be him.
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One of Huntz or Wheat should be shot, the other should be lynched. My bet is that we hit double scum day 1 that way, and I can try to mess with whoever I feel fits the scum bill best at the time with my night action.
Okay, now you think they are aligned? Like really, this reads like really trying to push for the Hunt vig shot while seeming impartial.
You see, D_V, you're talking up a lot of shade, but not standing behind your words. And I'm not the only one to note this. Your play was pretty good near the beginning, but has since gotten more erratic.
Wheat likes (that) this post (happened because it fits osie being scum)!
PLZ TELL ME WHO IS SCUM / DO MY WORK FOR ME Osie- this game.
Wheat... doesn't like this post?
Mmm after considering it a few more moments I'm still okay with it actually. I don't think it's the most fair characterization but it's sort of tangential to why I think osie is scum (which is because osie is just following popular opinion and only sharing new stuff when under fire).
I think DV is one of the strongest candidates for being town. Why do you say he's scum?
Reminder for myself (since I may not be around tomorrow): I want to hear back from shadow.
Uggggghhh. Does this really get said about a buddy? I guess if Wheat felt like he was going down then maybe? Tom, Cantrip, Silver, Nacho, Oph: Does wheat push an attack toward a buddy like this?
@shadow wai did you tell him not to say anything else? he never menshuned more to his role, mate. there isn't more to a dayvig, right? unless yew know sumthin. aye knock you down a few steps
Because when he threatened to kill kpaca, he wasn't claiming dayvig outright. And I figured that whatever his ability, it would have been better suited to being unknown until he was about to use it. Similar to how Bur used his ability in Mistborn. Basically, Bur asked if he should make Hunt unlynchable, which wasn't his ability, but his ability had the effect of making sure that Hunt would never be lynched. Turns out Oph was a dayvig, so its a moot point. I do however strongly believe that Oph should comment no further about his role and whether it has limited shots or anything of the sort. Oph is town here, there is almost no feasible world where he isn't, so not saying more about his role only hurts scum here.
My name is Kaio Lewis, from Jamaica. I'm the head of a worldwide pharmaceutical distribution chain.
My ability is to target one player each Night. For the rest of the game, if a non-killing ability (cop, doc, etc.) would target that player, it gets copied such that it also targets every other player I've previously targeted.
Essentially it's only useful if people know about it once it's set up. And once it's set up, it's possible that it could be abused by scum, though at least not in such a way as to kill.
Huh, if this is accurate, it could be used for some great justice.
Operative word being "if" ... This seems kinda ridiculous, though.
You know you're supposed to beep when you back up a bus that fast.
@Silver I don't want to keep rehashing this debate, we can discuss it more postgane but I as town would not have claimed like you did. In my eyes, that's more likely to come from scum, and as such I have a scumlean on you. Everyone else seems to think I'm high or something for these thoughts though, so it's not a strong scumlean. Who knows, maybe I have started to lose it.
The more Huntz posts the more comfortable in my vote I feel. Funny that.
I think we should vig Huntz instead but wheat was the target I wouldn't hate that. I don't have a ton of experience with him but he feels weird.
More thoughts as I can get them down, work now blocks mtgs so phone only
This post is bad. Fence sitting on the silver read, pushing away from a wheat shot.
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cause he "infects" people with targeted abilities?
Nah. Horsemen gain independent abilities according to what they are. Its in the description at the beginning. So wheat probably lied about the other ability he has
"The 4 members of the mafia - the Horsemen - have an additional Horseman ability that augments their own starting ability. "
Also pharmaceutical company -> disease -> pestilence
Okay, this is both amazing and a little unfair. Oph gets away with flavor gaming a vig shot and hits scum, meanwhile, in Mistborn, I accidentally defend scum based on flavor as a flavor cop. I actually laughed that this worked. Oph, thank you for sort of vindicating how I felt in my last game.
I'm going to regret asking because “blah blah blah you shouldn't flavor game”, but anyone have, thoughts on wheat fake claiming his flavor?
I think there are exactly zero worlds where scum!Oph shoots scum!Wheat and then fake predicts wheats flavor as the reason for his shot. That's just not a thing.
Also, Tom is 100% town now. There is no way he tries the "Vig my partner for town cred" two scum games in a row. No ******* way, he has balls, but not those balls.
Need to reread through wheat, off the top of my head think his snarling dog post to osie makes osie look good because it looks like he was trying to get a wagon on someone else others felt meh about instead of him. Nacho looks good for the scum read there, as right now I don't think that's how nacho busses day one. Tom looks good also but those were all people I already liked.
That cantrip post felt like him trying to get a word in real quick before the reveal for the sake of it.
Also, not every role was randomized before alignment, just want to point that out.
vote cantripmancer
Do you think it's possible that Wheat makes his buddy Osie look good because of how likely it was that he was going down, whether to lynch or to shot? Also, why does cantrip trying to get a word in make him scummy?
What was the bait exactly? Aside from him hopping onto an easy wagon.Okay, wow, that took a really long time. I won't be on tomorrow probably, cause it's my birthday and this read/post took like 6 hours.
My reads are as follows:
shadowlancerx
Oph
tom
Nacho
Cantrip
Silver
Tammy
kpaca
Zionite
AG
Hunt
Rodemy
DV
Anak
Osie
I doubt that DV and Osie are aligned, so there is scum in my town reads, but I'm not worried about that today, we got one already and if we lynch within Osie/Anak I'm pretty sure we just hit another.
Well, that works. Nice shot, I'm pretty much never lynching Oph unless it's like final 3 and he has decided to become uber scummy, shooting a buddy is just such a low ev play I don't ever expect it to come from scum.
Rod seems to be using this point about Oph's logic for shooting to push his lynch, which feels even scummier. Like sure, the flavor gaming is a bit weird, but he still daykilled scum.
[b]Vote Rod[b/] Someone's looking for revenge of his buddy being killed.
Well to answer, it isn't easily summed up in words. I don't feel a particular agenda from Tom. It doesn't feel like a scum push in the early game. It just feels like Tom has actual conviction behind his bel off in me as scum. That feel a like town!tom and not the scum version. Scum version just pushes me because it's easy.
Hmm. That's reasonable. But what do you think about:
Alright, I don't see a reason not press on, so... ------------- ATTN: TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN I learn the ALIGNMENT of the LYNCHEE at TWILIGHT, 24 hours BEFORE it is made PUBLIC (at NIGHTFALL). I will ANNOUNCE the ALIGNMENT of the LYNCHEE when the following CONDITIONS are MET: (1) I am told the ALIGNMENT of the LYNCHEE by MODGOD "Iso" or his SURROGATE, "JeY k" (2) I gain ACCESS to a COMPUTER or ELECTRONIC DEVICE and receive the INFORMATION. I will do my BEST to provide the INFORMATION as QUICKLY as POSSIBLE upon receipt. PERSONS using this INFORMATION are advised to remain ANONYMOUS. Thank you for your ATTENTION.
Yeah, I'm not a governor, I just learn the alignment early. I can't save them. I thought you were claiming governor and we could fight crime together but we've got that all straightened out now.
Wei woul you think that powerful of a combination even existed *hick*
Ashually *hick* Silver never mentioned anything about... *erp*.. .... Ughhh... *hick* He never menshuns... *hick* overturning the lynch... But Wheat... gathers that... *hick*.. from.. nothing. *hick* what gives mate?
Ayyyeeee.. lookit me bein smert an *****e. Lessee if he replies.. (EDIT: HE DOESNT)
Mmm. I wonder what the chances are scum!Ophidia fakes a "slip" like that and either (1) lies about having a day kill or (2) actually has a day kill. Probably not very good I guess, unless the team is like. Ophidia/Rodemy because Rodemy's vote there makes absolutely no sense except as a distancing attempt. unvote
Cept as seen earlier.. *hick* the slip was fake..he was askin bout claiming..tha was planned
Like. There's plenty of time to use your shot later. Even if you don't want to go to Night without using it because you're afraid you'll get NK'd you should wait until the wagons settle a bit. We're still really spread out and we've only been talking for three days. Even if you shoot him and he flips scum we won't get as much info as if you waited until closer to deadline when people are trying to consolidate wagons. Right now they're probably hanging out on the sidelines munching popcorn while we argue with each other.
*hick* coaching. Even you know that as town, he hass tuh use it or he will gate nk'd..no scum lykes a vig...
I am certainly the most active player here in that I'm actually doing things that matter. Just because you stand on the bench waving a towel, thus technically moving your arms the most, doesn't mean you're the top of a basketball game.
Yeah, that's totally what I've been doing. Thanks for denigrating the contributions of myself, tom, osi, and tammy specifically to the game so far, I hope it makes you feel better about yourself. Especially when I can't remember you doing anything that matters since you're basically obsessed with calling me "fake news" and "hillbilly."
and that's what really gets me because he turns around and makes posts like that too so how can he believe this *****
I tried to talk to him civilly, but I didn't sign up to be bullied into submission by a guy whose literal case on me is "FAKE NEWS" and ad hominem so I'm going to talk to other people for a while. I'm just going to put him in a little box by himself labeled "Kpaca" and push a lynch on him on like, D3 or D4 if we're both still alive by then and he's still doing stuff like this.
This interakshun makes me think ave more thAh he's scum.
(Hey guys PTAP. BEEN SUPER BUSY. I also would like to formally apologize for my language in this game. I took the RP a little too far. It will be toned down. ♡♡♡)
Man, it happens. I've had my most important and most stressful class, and I've had to do what I can to not let that stress spill over into MTGS. The RP got a bit annoying at times, but at least was genuinely interesting to puzzle through. If you're toning things down, though, I think it is only fair to give you a chance to show a less frustrating character.
been on pager, didn't have time to check yesterday and now i'm too tired to check today and i'm back on page 9 still
Uses a pager, must be scum... (Just kidding.)
Welp, everyone is going V/LA for the one time my schedule is actually relatively clear... I ended up just sleeping for most of today (16 hours of the day in the end, I think...) instead of doing anything.
Back on more directly game-related manners
When available - @Kpaca (for what it's worth), @Silver, @Cantrip, @Shadow, @Tammy, @D_V: What do you think of Tom at the moment and why? I'm finding myself unsure of how I feel about him at the moment.
@Everyone, please answer this question: Is wheat worth a shot?
If yes, why is he scum and what info can we gain from the shot?
If no, why is he town and who would you rather kill?
And again! Wheat wagon had JUSS kicked off. (Started at the time by loses vote followed by toms. I think tom is town by this point so i assume Ophi is lookin to osie)
The reasons for vigging wheat, in no particular order:
1. My biggest townreads see wheat as scum
2. Wheat's analysis has been very contrived and forced, I feel its worse than huntz's.
3. If I vig wheat, we can gain info on hunt's wagon and perhaps catch scum on either wagons.
4. Hunt also soft claimed, I am more interested in his role for now.
Posts reason for shooting wheat after a long discussion on why he shoots the lead wagon...
unvote
osie, silver, Ophi are the last three scum
Rodemy *hick* ****in out
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Add on the shine in And with osies *hick* early t/s list (it didn't include d-v who also voted before the list but included tom as a slight scumread for the sayme) focused on tom due to omgus I gayss.
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Sorry that I've been so absent. Real life is killing me right now, especially on the work front.
Briefly:
• I approve of the burgeoning Osie wagon.
• I guess I need someone to point out why a fairly fast wagon has formed on Anak for 884. Even with Silver's comment in 904...884 isn't great, but I don't see why it's wagonworthy.
• I think the chances that Ophidia's scum are very very low.
• I think Tammy, Silver, and Tom are likely town.
• @Tammy: You asked something about why I was going so hard at Silver for the vig-choice argument. Silver strikes me as a very logical player, using logic to back a lot of his decisions. So when he casually dropped what felt like--to me, at least--a very counter-intuitive choice, it struck all kinds of warning bells that he might be trying to position himself to direct the vig shot in a suboptimal way.
• @Shadow: I'd want to take another look at when that post by Wheat attacking Osie occurred, but I wouldn't put it past Wheat. Also, the comment I was going to make was along the lines of town generally sounding more comfortable joking around because they know they're just joking around, while scum sometimes avoids anything that doesn't seem game-related to avoid being accused of distracting.
I very much want to get back into this game, but I'm past a deadline at work and don't have as much free time as I usually do. I may have an opportunity for some concentrated catchup tonight.
anak had way too many words about ophi in his rodemy vote.
that said, rodemy announcing a complete reread that changed nothing isnt great either.
more or less fine with where shadow is at. still think DV town and cantrip suspicious but meh. we've got our own personal reasons for those and we can hash them out later.
current guess: wheat/anak/cantrip/_____
osi kinda works tbh. i think a lot of the reasons i thought he was scummy at first were largely playstyle and i might be going too far the other way now.
feel pretty decently about this. i think i already said theres ~no chance im voting for ophi or anyone on the wheat wagon today. also not shadow, silver, tammy, kpaca. dv does look like he could be scum with wheat, but im not really interested right now. ditto zion. huntz feels a lot better, which was the point of pressuring him (apparently).
so im already narrowed down to anak/cantrip/rodemy to lynch today. down with any, preference in that order i think.
i guess we just wait for people to trickle back into the thread and pick a wagon at this point. we got, like, a week left? ish?
Wei dun chew tell me wah you are getting at instead.
If Anak is town (in "the three of us are scum together" worlds) why are they pushing him instead of you? Why am I not pushing you opposite their Anak push? I'm not getting at anything, this isn't socratic, I just want to know if you've actually thought about what the three of us being scum together means for the game state.
Ophi never unvoted meh so is vote on an anuk isn't ashually there.
I'm pretty sure people have changed wagons without unvoting during the game and they counted, but it doesn't say one way or the other in the rules.
Ophis quick switch to anuk ftum me was odd
Yeah, it was odd, that's why I'm asking what you think about it. He moved off you to vote Anak with apparently his partner and I'm off doing nothing (at the moment). Since you think we're scum together, what are we doing to win right now? What's his angle for moving off you onto Anak?
Do they need an angle?
If they're scum, they're trying to keep distance from each other and score consecutive mislynches. So... yeah, if they're scum, they probably have an angle for choosing him. Especially if we're all (going to be) voting together. Does lynching Anak set them (us) up for a mislynch somewhere else? Does Anak's townflip soft clear one of them or me? Is Anak just an easy mislynch? Why are they not saving the easy mislynch for later?
Like. If you're town, think about this a bit deeper than just surface level for me, and tell me what you think the scum team you've proposed is doing to win the game.
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I intend to vote Anak once a vote count comes in, don't have time to count them up by hand right now.
Consider my vote there in spirit.
theres a lot of "dont have the balls" reads this game.
lemme just say that if i was scum i have the balls for literally everything. DV/shadow/nacho too IME. rodemy slightly less so, but still.
I worked a 16 hour shift today.
I am (hopefully!) working a 14 hours shift tomorrow.
I am (still hopefully!) working a 12 hour shift the day after that.
Chances are very low I'll get in a post before Monday but when I am free as a bird later then I will post my catch-up before getting drunk and this I solemnly promise.
Although please don't lynch before I get the chance to do that; people have lynched right before my day off and it's legitimately the worst feeling in mafia ever to be fiending for some mafia and then be disappointed when you come back to a locked thread.
Something about this interaction just feels...too soft to be buddies. I'm not sold on Hunt being scum.
Yeah, I had him pretty solidly there mostly based on posts not long before the Wheat shot and the vibes I was getting from early play, but I'm not as certain any more, and I agree that looking back at interactions they probably weren't buddies.
DV, talk to me about this, why should I believe that you've “established that you're town.” Heck, what have you said that is even remotely leaves a mark on this game?
I didn't like that post either. Some time this weekend I'll sit down for more of a post-by-post reread of D_V.
Tom being the first to respond to this, and pushing for the wheat shot, just doesn't come from scum that is okay with their partner being day killed on the first day again.
I don't think it's a matter of again, per se, but I did like some of Tom's responses around that point.
I think DV actually might be scum here, especially if hunt is town. He props up hunt and then immediately backtracks. He feels like he's both trying to offer some push back from Wheat and keep hunt lynchable.
Do you think Hunt and Wheat are plausible buddies?
At the time it was a possibility in my mind. I've been pretty busy, so interaction analysis has not been in the forefront, not that it's something I have been relying on a lot anyways, but I think it will also be more necessary in this game.
Wheat's one post was enough here to push you off of him?
Nah, I was just more certain on Huntz at that point. And just before the shot I was more certain on Wheat. This is our third game together, my reads move around a lot.
So you don't think Wheat and Hunt are buddies. If Osie is scum, I'd probably hard clear Hunt. Osie, talk to me about why you thought Hunt and Nacho were buddies?
Again, didn't really have time to do much in the way of interaction analysis, but Huntz/Wheat were not likely buddies, and Nacho was my next scummiest read.
Two things about this post bother me, using an RVS vote as a reason to continue pushing someone, and the bolded, which feels weird. I'm not sure if it's setting up town cred for a bus/distance if he needs to, or just straight up lining up a mislynch for later.
Not enough information from Rodemy to lynch him day 1. Also, Huntz was very sure about his RVS vote. He's no longer one of my strongest scumreads though.
This just screams fearmongering. Like really, plenty of time left in the day, no one (or maybe one other person?) was even voting Anak, and if a wagon had formed, I'd be happy with it. However, just for you: Unvote, Vote Osie
Your vote didn't look good to me at the time. And this switch on such a marginal reason, such a tiny bit of pressure, looks worse.
Hmm, this is the second instance of DV calling Osie scum in as many pages; and the way it's done doesn't feel like distancing. Soft unaligned here, which is annoying, cause I think they're both scummy.
What the heck kind of scum lean is this? I've made some good town posts, but I'm fantastic as scum so therefore be so wary as to scum read me? This is a fake read, and waffly as crap.
The key word is "some" very good town posts. And my point was that I wouldn't put it past you to make very good town-seeming posts as the scum you appear to be this game. That said, continue tunneling town!me, I guess. You wouldn't be the first, and probably not the last either.
Uggggghhh. Does this really get said about a buddy? I guess if Wheat felt like he was going down then maybe? Tom, Cantrip, Silver, Nacho, Oph: Does wheat push an attack toward a buddy like this?
Do you think that as scum, I would bus a buddy so adamantly (hard scumread) that it would take something pretty amazing for me to take them out of scumreads/leans? My reads are generally very fluid. I rarely put people as hard reads on either town or scum even if I do actively believe that they are of that alignment without any particular nagging doubts. So why would I do that to a scumbuddy? That just seems like asking for trouble.
You know you're supposed to beep when you back up a bus that fast.
Wheat remained in my scum reads there. Not sure what you're talking about here; I even said "This seems kinda ridiculous." I posted saying "This could be useful, if it's truthful," and then followed it up with "But it's probably not truthful." That's not really significantly backing off on a read.[/quote]
I think there are exactly zero worlds where scum!Oph shoots scum!Wheat and then fake predicts wheats flavor as the reason for his shot. That's just not a thing.
Yeah, I'm inclined to believe that prediction was just lucky, and that it doesn't really mean anything.
I doubt that DV and Osie are aligned, so there is scum in my town reads, but I'm not worried about that today, we got one already and if we lynch within Osie/Anak I'm pretty sure we just hit another.
If I'm scum in this picture, wouldn't that mean that I've been bussing 2 buddies at this point, along with declaring agreement with you on D_V? How is that a good game plan for me? Do you expect that my reads as scum would always just be as follows?
Townies and Buddies?
??? (Huntz)
Buddy (Anak)
Buddy (Wheat)
That's really silly. My current list would look a little strategically better from a scum perspective:
Townies and Buddies
Townie (Shadow)
Townie (D_V)
Buddy (Anak)
Playing sensibly, I'd probably put scumbuddies in the middle of the range (scumlean, neutral, townlean), at least for the most part. Only if I'm sure that I'm bussing someone would I put them in scumreads as a scumbuddy, and never in hard scumreads unless they're likely to get lynched, or I'm taking a pretty big risk. The middle of the range is currently Rodemy, Cantrip, Nacho, Silver, Huntz, Zionite. So who of those people would I be scumbuddies with?
Like, here's my T/S list:
Hard Townreads (This will rarely include anyone other than myself):
Osieorb18
Townreads:
Tammy
kpaca
AG
Tom
Ophidia
Townleans:
Zionite
Neutral:
Nacho
Silver
Huntzilla
Scumleans:
Rodemy
Cantrip
Shadow
Scumreads:
D_V
Anak
Hard Scumreads:
X Wheat
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On a related point, could you elaborate a bit on what you think of AG, and why AG and Tammy aren't higher in your reads?
theres a lot of "dont have the balls" reads this game.
lemme just say that if i was scum i have the balls for literally everything. DV/shadow/nacho too IME. rodemy slightly less so, but still.
so, like, grain of salt or whatever
Yeah, I noted that as well. That expression is very aggressive; it seems stronger than appropriate or necessary.
He is using the perspective of a scum to prove that he isn't one.
It's weird.
It was mostly a thought experiment. I mean, I've never been scum online, and I was only scum offline 1-2 times in my memory (a long long time ago in a galaxy far away)... So I was just thinking about how I would do it and sensible strategy and that hard scumreading multiple buddies seems like a terrible idea, which I'm sure you can agree on.
Shadow feels like his scumself in this game. He's playing well, but his posts just read closer to when he's been scum than when he's been town. I've been getting this feeling for a while and his posts just keep reminding me of it. I can't point to any specific thing and it's 100% a meta-read.
Shadow feels like his scumself in this game. He's playing well, but his posts just read closer to when he's been scum than when he's been town. I've been getting this feeling for a while and his posts just keep reminding me of it. I can't point to any specific thing and it's 100% a meta-read.
I was hoping to get caught up today, but midterm grades are due and it took me longer to grade than I thought. Am crashing now, but will get caught up tomorrow.
I think laying out an action plan is only relevant if you're likely to die tonight.
You aren't.
So even a vague plan just gives scum information.
Add in the fact that roles in this game seem to be fairly nontraditional... and I'm really not seeing a lot of benefit.
And I don't really care if your claim is fake tbh. I'm 90% sure kpaca isn't a vanillaizer either. Don't talk about it anymore
I think laying out an action plan is only relevant if you're likely to die tonight.
You aren't.
So even a vague plan just gives scum information.
Add in the fact that roles in this game seem to be fairly nontraditional... and I'm really not seeing a lot of benefit.
And I don't really care if your claim is fake tbh. I'm 90% sure kpaca isn't a vanillaizer either. Don't talk about it anymore
Actually that's a good point overall lets be done with this convo then.
Based on what's been claimed so far, I'm thinking massclaim day 3 or so. The roles themselves should be mostly NAI, but how they get used could definitely be something (example: day vig makes a lot of sense for "death" horseman but ophi shot scum so ~probably not)
Based on what's been claimed so far, I'm thinking massclaim day 3 or so. The roles themselves should be mostly NAI, but how they get used could definitely be something (example: day vig makes a lot of sense for "death" horseman but ophi shot scum so ~probably not)
Do you think day vig could be in the randomized pool?
Based on what's been claimed so far, I'm thinking massclaim day 3 or so. The roles themselves should be mostly NAI, but how they get used could definitely be something (example: day vig makes a lot of sense for "death" horseman but ophi shot scum so ~probably not)
Do you think day vig could be in the randomized pool?
I mean...
Not really?
I think it's probably either a town only role or the death horseman special ability with not a lot in between
Been having trouble getting to MTGS the last couple days, page takes forever to load then kicks me to some kind of server error page. Might be my computer since it seems to be fine on mobile.
I'm kind of where Tom is, though? Pretty ok with the lynch falling in Anak/Osie/Rodemy, but I'd rather lynch D_V than Cantrip.
Aaand I'm still not going to vote Anak since he's at L-3. I at least want to wait for Nacho's catch up before we put him in claim range and all that jazz.
Silver we should make plans to have a long talk about DV if we're both alive day 2. I'm not as high on him as I once was with the flip and more recent posting but my thing still holds for now.
I...think I'm still against an osi lynch? Not that I'm exactly townreading him. And that method of clearing himself from earlier this page is pretty terribad. But, like, idk. I don't think he's done much that's alignment indicative this game. And maybe that's a bad sign in and of itself, but there's been a lot of pushing on him for pretty lulzy reasons (mine from early on included) and he just feels like a mislynch to me.
Based on what's been claimed so far, I'm thinking massclaim day 3 or so. The roles themselves should be mostly NAI, but how they get used could definitely be something (example: day vig makes a lot of sense for "death" horseman but ophi shot scum so ~probably not)
Do you think day vig could be in the randomized pool?
I mean...
Not really?
I think it's probably either a town only role or the death horseman special ability with not a lot in between
Do you think it's more or less reasonable in the random pool than a standard vig shot would be?
Do you think it's more or less reasonable in the random pool than a standard vig shot would be?
were getting pretty hard into setup gaming here. Depends if there's protective roles and what side they're on. Or something else that could bring us from even numbers to odd. Or a janitor/tailor that can only be used at night.
Right now, I'm just considering it as a vig. Don't really have the info to glean anything from its day-ness.
He shot scum though. Which is definitely a thing.
Do you think it's more or less reasonable in the random pool than a standard vig shot would be?
were getting pretty hard into setup gaming here. Depends if there's protective roles and what side they're on. Or something else that could bring us from even numbers to odd. Or a janitor/tailor that can only be used at night.
Right now, I'm just considering it as a vig. Don't really have the info to glean anything from its day-ness.
He shot scum though. Which is definitely a thing.
I'm with you on him shooting scum. I'm just not certain that his role must be alignment locked.
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I swayr to chrayst.
Ttyl on monday.
Vote Anaklusmos
Unvote, Vote Osie Why does this make your skin crawl? Hmm, this is the second instance of DV calling Osie scum in as many pages; and the way it's done doesn't feel like distancing. Soft unaligned here, which is annoying, cause I think they're both scummy. What the heck kind of scum lean is this? I've made some good town posts, but I'm fantastic as scum so therefore be so wary as to scum read me? This is a fake read, and waffly as crap. Okay, now you think they are aligned? Like really, this reads like really trying to push for the Hunt vig shot while seeming impartial. Uggggghhh. Does this really get said about a buddy? I guess if Wheat felt like he was going down then maybe? Tom, Cantrip, Silver, Nacho, Oph: Does wheat push an attack toward a buddy like this? Townlean. He's hit on some of the same thoughts I had in this catchup, and I haven't had any pings that make me worried.
Because when he threatened to kill kpaca, he wasn't claiming dayvig outright. And I figured that whatever his ability, it would have been better suited to being unknown until he was about to use it. Similar to how Bur used his ability in Mistborn. Basically, Bur asked if he should make Hunt unlynchable, which wasn't his ability, but his ability had the effect of making sure that Hunt would never be lynched. Turns out Oph was a dayvig, so its a moot point. I do however strongly believe that Oph should comment no further about his role and whether it has limited shots or anything of the sort. Oph is town here, there is almost no feasible world where he isn't, so not saying more about his role only hurts scum here. First person to respond to the imminent Wheat shot, solidifies Tammy's status as a townie. You know you're supposed to beep when you back up a bus that fast. Something you can talk about now? This post is bad. Fence sitting on the silver read, pushing away from a wheat shot. Okay, this is both amazing and a little unfair. Oph gets away with flavor gaming a vig shot and hits scum, meanwhile, in Mistborn, I accidentally defend scum based on flavor as a flavor cop. I actually laughed that this worked. Oph, thank you for sort of vindicating how I felt in my last game.
I'm going to regret asking because “blah blah blah you shouldn't flavor game”, but anyone have, thoughts on wheat fake claiming his flavor? Gotta disagree with you on Osie, yeah on the surface he had that spat back and forth, but everything else points at them being aligned. I think there are exactly zero worlds where scum!Oph shoots scum!Wheat and then fake predicts wheats flavor as the reason for his shot. That's just not a thing. /barn Do you think it's possible that Wheat makes his buddy Osie look good because of how likely it was that he was going down, whether to lynch or to shot? Also, why does cantrip trying to get a word in make him scummy? What was the bait exactly? Aside from him hopping onto an easy wagon.
Okay, wow, that took a really long time. I won't be on tomorrow probably, cause it's my birthday and this read/post took like 6 hours.
My reads are as follows:
shadowlancerx
Oph
tom
Nacho
Cantrip
Silver
Tammy
kpaca
Zionite
AG
Hunt
Rodemy
DV
Anak
Osie
I doubt that DV and Osie are aligned, so there is scum in my town reads, but I'm not worried about that today, we got one already and if we lynch within Osie/Anak I'm pretty sure we just hit another.
What is up with this? Jeez.
[b]Unvote, Vote Anak[/b]
Try to make a wagon? No, he was at the bottom of my reads. And now that I've caught up more, he isn't.
What's wrong with Ophidia answering? Do you consider their opinion to be invalid somehow?
Hmm. That's reasonable. But what do you think about:
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I see y'all had the same thought as I did about Anak's post...
AYYYYEEEE. FULL REREAD Odd. Wai woul number 2 be after number 1... This was befere the freak out on kpaca.. so he his slip was fake.. *hick* did wheat slip about silver's role? Wei woul you think that powerful of a combination even existed *hick* Ayyyeeee.. lookit me bein smert an *****e. Lessee if he replies.. (EDIT: HE DOESNT) Cept as seen earlier.. *hick* the slip was fake..he was askin bout claiming..tha was planned *hick* coaching. Even you know that as town, he hass tuh use it or he will gate nk'd..no scum lykes a vig... See wai I think his slip was fake (Above, mate) This interakshun makes me think ave more thAh he's scum. Thiss is *hick* like the 4th time he's sayd this.. After wheat called silver scum.. *hick* no menshuns before.
And that bolded makes 3.
Same thing happens here that happened earlier with wheat
And again! Wheat wagon had JUSS kicked off. (Started at the time by loses vote followed by toms. I think tom is town by this point so i assume Ophi is lookin to osie)
Then wai dij ya ask tuh shoot em?
Posts reason for shooting wheat after a long discussion on why he shoots the lead wagon...
unvote
osie, silver, Ophi are the last three scum
Rodemy *hick* ****in out
vote osie
Hey, Rodemy.
Talk to me about Osie and Ophidia voting Anak together. What's their angle? They aren't really interacting with you so it isn't a pocket, clearly.
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@Tom, @Osie:
You should probably revote Anak, his broken bold tags broke your tags, too.
Wei dun chew tell me wah you are getting at instead.
Ophi never unvoted meh so is vote on an anuk isn't ashually there.
Ophis quick switch to anuk ftum me was odd
Do they need an angle?
Briefly:
• I approve of the burgeoning Osie wagon.
• I guess I need someone to point out why a fairly fast wagon has formed on Anak for 884. Even with Silver's comment in 904...884 isn't great, but I don't see why it's wagonworthy.
• I think the chances that Ophidia's scum are very very low.
• I think Tammy, Silver, and Tom are likely town.
• @Tammy: You asked something about why I was going so hard at Silver for the vig-choice argument. Silver strikes me as a very logical player, using logic to back a lot of his decisions. So when he casually dropped what felt like--to me, at least--a very counter-intuitive choice, it struck all kinds of warning bells that he might be trying to position himself to direct the vig shot in a suboptimal way.
• @Shadow: I'd want to take another look at when that post by Wheat attacking Osie occurred, but I wouldn't put it past Wheat. Also, the comment I was going to make was along the lines of town generally sounding more comfortable joking around because they know they're just joking around, while scum sometimes avoids anything that doesn't seem game-related to avoid being accused of distracting.
I very much want to get back into this game, but I'm past a deadline at work and don't have as much free time as I usually do. I may have an opportunity for some concentrated catchup tonight.
anak had way too many words about ophi in his rodemy vote.
that said, rodemy announcing a complete reread that changed nothing isnt great either.
more or less fine with where shadow is at. still think DV town and cantrip suspicious but meh. we've got our own personal reasons for those and we can hash them out later.
current guess:
wheat/anak/cantrip/_____osi kinda works tbh. i think a lot of the reasons i thought he was scummy at first were largely playstyle and i might be going too far the other way now.
shadow/nacho/ophi
silver/ag/tammy
huntz/kpaca/dv/zion
rodemy/osi
cantrip/anak
wheatfeel pretty decently about this. i think i already said theres ~no chance im voting for ophi or anyone on the wheat wagon today. also not shadow, silver, tammy, kpaca. dv does look like he could be scum with wheat, but im not really interested right now. ditto zion. huntz feels a lot better, which was the point of pressuring him (apparently).
so im already narrowed down to anak/cantrip/rodemy to lynch today. down with any, preference in that order i think.
i guess we just wait for people to trickle back into the thread and pick a wagon at this point. we got, like, a week left? ish?
I'm pretty sure people have changed wagons without unvoting during the game and they counted, but it doesn't say one way or the other in the rules.
Yeah, it was odd, that's why I'm asking what you think about it. He moved off you to vote Anak with apparently his partner and I'm off doing nothing (at the moment). Since you think we're scum together, what are we doing to win right now? What's his angle for moving off you onto Anak?
If they're scum, they're trying to keep distance from each other and score consecutive mislynches. So... yeah, if they're scum, they probably have an angle for choosing him. Especially if we're all (going to be) voting together. Does lynching Anak set them (us) up for a mislynch somewhere else? Does Anak's townflip soft clear one of them or me? Is Anak just an easy mislynch? Why are they not saving the easy mislynch for later?
Like. If you're town, think about this a bit deeper than just surface level for me, and tell me what you think the scum team you've proposed is doing to win the game.
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I intend to vote Anak once a vote count comes in, don't have time to count them up by hand right now.
Consider my vote there in spirit.
There are only two things certain in life...
Votecount:
Rodemy (2): Huntzilla, Anaklusmos
Cantripmancer (1): Tammy
Anaklusmos (4): Ophidia, Zionite, osieorb18, tomsloger
osieorb18 (2): shadowlancerx, Rodemy
With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.
¤.†.¤ The OceanLink ¤.†.¤
Or its WIFOM, but I don't care about that.
lemme just say that if i was scum i have the balls for literally everything. DV/shadow/nacho too IME. rodemy slightly less so, but still.
so, like, grain of salt or whatever
I am (hopefully!) working a 14 hours shift tomorrow.
I am (still hopefully!) working a 12 hour shift the day after that.
Chances are very low I'll get in a post before Monday but when I am free as a bird later then I will post my catch-up before getting drunk and this I solemnly promise.
He's back!
Yeah, I had him pretty solidly there mostly based on posts not long before the Wheat shot and the vibes I was getting from early play, but I'm not as certain any more, and I agree that looking back at interactions they probably weren't buddies.
I also just found it amusing on my end. My flavor here is a mystic who manipulates chi to create miracles.
I didn't like that post either. Some time this weekend I'll sit down for more of a post-by-post reread of D_V.
I don't think it's a matter of again, per se, but I did like some of Tom's responses around that point.
Yeah, the waffling looks really bad.
At the time it was a possibility in my mind. I've been pretty busy, so interaction analysis has not been in the forefront, not that it's something I have been relying on a lot anyways, but I think it will also be more necessary in this game.
Nah, I was just more certain on Huntz at that point. And just before the shot I was more certain on Wheat. This is our third game together, my reads move around a lot.
Again, didn't really have time to do much in the way of interaction analysis, but Huntz/Wheat were not likely buddies, and Nacho was my next scummiest read.
It's possible. Or you're both scum. I don't like this, because it looks like you're propping up a buddy.
Not enough information from Rodemy to lynch him day 1. Also, Huntz was very sure about his RVS vote. He's no longer one of my strongest scumreads though.
Your vote didn't look good to me at the time. And this switch on such a marginal reason, such a tiny bit of pressure, looks worse.
It looks like Silver is asking for coaching there. Now, it could also just be silver's posting style. I'm still not sure on that.
Or maybe it's just D_V.
The key word is "some" very good town posts. And my point was that I wouldn't put it past you to make very good town-seeming posts as the scum you appear to be this game. That said, continue tunneling town!me, I guess. You wouldn't be the first, and probably not the last either.
I know this wasn't directed at me, but
seems relevant.
Wheat remained in my scum reads there. Not sure what you're talking about here; I even said "This seems kinda ridiculous." I posted saying "This could be useful, if it's truthful," and then followed it up with "But it's probably not truthful." That's not really significantly backing off on a read.[/quote]
I think we can't rely on it as a standard strategy from scum, but it is a strategy that this game setup contributes to using.
See my above quote about hard reads. This sort of baseless malingering is part of why I'm wary of you this game.
Yeah, I'm inclined to believe that prediction was just lucky, and that it doesn't really mean anything.
Happy birthday! Many happy returns!
If I'm scum in this picture, wouldn't that mean that I've been bussing 2 buddies at this point, along with declaring agreement with you on D_V? How is that a good game plan for me? Do you expect that my reads as scum would always just be as follows?
That's really silly. My current list would look a little strategically better from a scum perspective:
Playing sensibly, I'd probably put scumbuddies in the middle of the range (scumlean, neutral, townlean), at least for the most part. Only if I'm sure that I'm bussing someone would I put them in scumreads as a scumbuddy, and never in hard scumreads unless they're likely to get lynched, or I'm taking a pretty big risk. The middle of the range is currently Rodemy, Cantrip, Nacho, Silver, Huntz, Zionite. So who of those people would I be scumbuddies with?
Like, here's my T/S list:
Hard Townreads (This will rarely include anyone other than myself):
Osieorb18
Townreads:
Tammy
kpaca
AG
Tom
Ophidia
Townleans:
Zionite
Neutral:
Nacho
Silver
Huntzilla
Scumleans:
Rodemy
Cantrip
Shadow
Scumreads:
D_V
Anak
Hard Scumreads:
X Wheat
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On a related point, could you elaborate a bit on what you think of AG, and why AG and Tammy aren't higher in your reads?
I don't like this comment, but maybe it isn't something to worry about.
Yeah, I noted that as well. That expression is very aggressive; it seems stronger than appropriate or necessary.
Huh.
Reread commencing then with that in mind.
Question.
Do people think its a bad idea if we maybe made a list of common roles such as Watcher Blocker Tracker and listed who we would want targeted tonight?
The list would be more extensive than that and I have reasons for asking.
He is using the perspective of a scum to prove that he isn't one.
It's weird.
I'm not saying people follow it.
I'm looking for direction for myself.
It was mostly a thought experiment. I mean, I've never been scum online, and I was only scum offline 1-2 times in my memory (a long long time ago in a galaxy far away)... So I was just thinking about how I would do it and sensible strategy and that hard scumreading multiple buddies seems like a terrible idea, which I'm sure you can agree on.
I think I've been told some variant of this both of the previous two games onsite.
so vote him
(yeah i dont care for it either)
so vote him
(i feel exactly the opposite)
Also kpaca could use a prod. One post in the last two weeks
Probably others too...
Also, why does no-1 seem to get Supernatural was a joke?
That wasn't a real claim and no1 corrected Tom.
Tom's town for posting that though among other things.
You aren't.
So even a vague plan just gives scum information.
Add in the fact that roles in this game seem to be fairly nontraditional... and I'm really not seeing a lot of benefit.
And I don't really care if your claim is fake tbh. I'm 90% sure kpaca isn't a vanillaizer either. Don't talk about it anymore
Actually that's a good point overall lets be done with this convo then.
Do you think day vig could be in the randomized pool?
Hope he isnt.
Not really?
I think it's probably either a town only role or the death horseman special ability with not a lot in between
I'm kind of where Tom is, though? Pretty ok with the lynch falling in Anak/Osie/Rodemy, but I'd rather lynch D_V than Cantrip.
Aaand I'm still not going to vote Anak since he's at L-3. I at least want to wait for Nacho's catch up before we put him in claim range and all that jazz.
I...think I'm still against an osi lynch? Not that I'm exactly townreading him. And that method of clearing himself from earlier this page is pretty terribad. But, like, idk. I don't think he's done much that's alignment indicative this game. And maybe that's a bad sign in and of itself, but there's been a lot of pushing on him for pretty lulzy reasons (mine from early on included) and he just feels like a mislynch to me.
Do you think it's more or less reasonable in the random pool than a standard vig shot would be?
Right now, I'm just considering it as a vig. Don't really have the info to glean anything from its day-ness.
He shot scum though. Which is definitely a thing.
I'm with you on him shooting scum. I'm just not certain that his role must be alignment locked.