Also just throwing it out there is fine, but there is zero chance we lynch Ophidia today. Yes it's possible hes "death" and there's some reason he shot a buddy, but it's clearly not the default.
Actually I'd say Ophidia and everyone on wheat is off the table today. Probably shadow/tammy/kpaca as well.
So, like, rodemy/cantrip/anak/huntz/zionite in approximately that order of preference for me
The "scum get a benefit from killing pestilence" tinfoil world is some number of ophi/nacho/osi IMO, possibly with DV/huntz
Hunt, why do you think it's the end of an era as opposed to scum tom just cashing in on an easy mislynch/misvig?
Hunts is there a reason you didn't answer this question.
(If you did sorry, I left my computer at work and am relegated to my phone until I go pick it up and mtgs is loafing very weirdly right now. Kinda just wanted to complain there.)
I thought it was easily answered by the question about wher my read was on Tom. I figured Nacho would be able to put two and two together
You calling him a town lean doesn't answer the question, no.
I don't know how I feel about the fact that my top four suspects are similar to tom's suspects.
Tom - so I kinda liked hunt's end of an era post. Obviously you're use voting him so you think he's scum, but is that really how you expect hunts to respond to you scum reading him as scum? How would you expect him to react as town?
you should probably think "well this is too easy"
i kinda liked that post.
If you usually read him correctly, would you expect town him to go eh you're reading me wrong but meh town lean?
And this is mostly for Tammy but I feel better about you than I did last time (even without reading) - I think as scum sometimes you struggle to make your top scumread sound read and I think you sell it a bit too fervently as scum but I'm not getting those same vibes here at all.
Is this a dumb way to read you?
Thanks. I still feel pretty good about Tom, but him being hypocrites in that game threw me for a loop and I didn't trust my lean there for a minute.
I'll try to make a complete catchup here tomorrow; sorry for low activity lately (problems with it should be pretty much gone after this week hopefully).
Ophidia's Pestilence thing is really weird but I don't understand what the purpose of faking it is as scum - my initial thought when I saw that was that Ophidia got the flip before everyone else did for some reason but.
Need to reread through wheat, off the top of my head think his snarling dog post to osie makes osie look good because it looks like he was trying to get a wagon on someone else others felt meh about instead of him. Nacho looks good for the scum read there, as right now I don't think that's how nacho busses day one. Tom looks good also but those were all people I already liked.
That cantrip post felt like him trying to get a word in real quick before the reveal for the sake of it.
Also, not every role was randomized before alignment, just want to point that out.
Ophidia's Pestilence thing is really weird but I don't understand what the purpose of faking it is as scum - my initial thought when I saw that was that Ophidia got the flip before everyone else did for some reason but.
@tammy
I'm not exactly sure. I felt like the speculative read I gave on him a week ago should have pocketed him completely, and then when I scumread him after I made the read he should have been more suspicious. Especially when I helped make him top wagon over flipped scum...
Feels like he's scared to read me too strongly either way maybe?
Also my play as Hypocrites was all about faking the lighthearted noob that goes over so well on westeros. It wouldn't have worked at all outside of an alt game, and really you all should know better
Short interjection and then back to MeatWorld - Do you think that as scum, I would bus a buddy so adamantly (hard scumread) that it would take something pretty amazing for me to take them out of scumreads/leans? My reads are generally very fluid. I rarely put people as hard reads on either town or scum even if I do actively believe that they are of that alignment without any particular nagging doubts. So why would I do that to a scumbuddy? That just seems like asking for trouble.
@tom currently no strong ones, iss wierd. Even silver's claim doesn't do *****e for me
Maybe Tammy.
This is a scummy post. This post opens up space for future mislynches/accusations. You can just call someone scum without being called out for changing your read, also you should at least have one concrete townread.
Rod, why is there no strong townreads for you? Can you explain it individually for each player?
@tom currently no strong ones, iss wierd. Even silver's claim doesn't do *****e for me
Maybe Tammy.
This is a scummy post. This post opens up space for future mislynches/accusations. You can just call someone scum without being called out for changing your read, also you should at least have one concrete townread.
Rod, why is there no strong townreads for you? Can you explain it individually for each player?
I will later when i have my laptop. I've been extra lazy due to me usin ma phone. *hick*
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@Ophidia: I think I mentioned this, but I'm not gonna post more. I either don't have anything to say or I'm busy. Bullying me about it isn't going to work.
I really thought W_G was town.
Huntz is looking good now. Idk why you'd try to make a wagon on him osieorb and then totally deuce out(sic). Scummy.
I get we're riding high from getting a kill, but I've yet to see any argument use this knowledge of W_G as scum to our advantage. Only Silver even mentioned rereading. Yeah, I read W_G as town. But that doesn't automagically make me scum.
Well, that works. Nice shot, I'm pretty much never lynching Oph unless it's like final 3 and he has decided to become uber scummy, shooting a buddy is just such a low ev play I don't ever expect it to come from scum.
Rod seems to be using this point about Oph's logic for shooting to push his lynch, which feels even scummier. Like sure, the flavor gaming is a bit weird, but he still daykilled scum.
[b]Vote Rod[b/] Someone's looking for revenge of his buddy being killed.
I couldn't quite understand why no one lynched Nacho in JPA2 because he was so painfully, obviously, scum.
And this game, he's doing the same damned thing. He's acting so completely fake.
osie can wait.
Seems more like he really wants him lynched and not like a throw away read on a partner. I'll have to reread what Nacho said about wheat to be sure, but. I could see the whole thing as an elaborate set up/gambit, maybe, but it doesn't seem likely.
Most of Wheat's throw away reads are like. Rodemy/tom/D_V/Huntz? There's probably a partner in there at least. I wish we had tried to make Wheat say why he thought D_V was town, specifically, because I just. don't see it. and I'm probably not getting tom's read out of him.
Speaking of tom, he's probably the most plausible Wheat busser, especially considering he was one of the last Wheat voters and moved off of Wheat to vote /with/ him, pushing Huntz higher before the shot. I still think he's town and the Wheat wagon was clean, but. that's A Thing(tm) I'm thinking about.
When Wheat was being run up, he tried to make Huntz his counterwagon and got it. Which is unusual, I think. I sort of doubt he would deflect to a partner, but it's also possible he was distancing because he thought one of them would be shot and clear the other? Not quite sure what to make of Zionite following him onto Huntz immediately after, either. Yes, this is a waffle, I need to reread that whole part of the thread for context later.
"Under fire?" I have 1 person voting for me. 3 throwing shade. I haven't been under fire this entire game. You have 5 people voting you and you've been desperately trying to draw attention to other players. And then you're bussing the buddy who openly agrees with you, Huntzilla.
You're trying to spin this ridiculous narrative, but it doesn't look like people are buying it. And you outright asked to be shot, which was another one of your desperate ways of trying to gain towncred. I bet if Ophidia called your bluff, we'd see some interesting responses from your buddies.
That's exactly why it looks so bad though. You suddenly turn snarling dog in a trap at even the *hint* of pressure, not even real pressure.
I forgot it was wheat who had that trash push on nacho, makes my not the way I would expect nacho to bus theory less strong but I still like what he's produced so I still like him ingeneral
@Ophidia: I think I mentioned this, but I'm not gonna post more. I either don't have anything to say or I'm busy. Bullying me about it isn't going to work.
I really thought W_G was town.
Huntz is looking good now. Idk why you'd try to make a wagon on him osieorb and then totally deuce out(sic). Scummy.
I get we're riding high from getting a kill, but I've yet to see any argument use this knowledge of W_G as scum to our advantage. Only Silver even mentioned rereading. Yeah, I read W_G as town. But that doesn't automagically make me scum.
Hunt, why do you think it's the end of an era as opposed to scum tom just cashing in on an easy mislynch/misvig?
Hunts is there a reason you didn't answer this question.
(If you did sorry, I left my computer at work and am relegated to my phone until I go pick it up and mtgs is loafing very weirdly right now. Kinda just wanted to complain there.)
I thought it was easily answered by the question about wher my read was on Tom. I figured Nacho would be able to put two and two together
You calling him a town lean doesn't answer the question, no.
Well to answer, it isn't easily summed up in words. I don't feel a particular agenda from Tom. It doesn't feel like a scum push in the early game. It just feels like Tom has actual conviction behind his bel off in me as scum. That feel a like town!tom and not the scum version. Scum version just pushes me because it's easy.
Well, that works. Nice shot, I'm pretty much never lynching Oph unless it's like final 3 and he has decided to become uber scummy, shooting a buddy is just such a low ev play I don't ever expect it to come from scum.
Rod seems to be using this point about Oph's logic for shooting to push his lynch, which feels even scummier. Like sure, the flavor gaming is a bit weird, but he still daykilled scum.
[b]Vote Rod[b/] Someone's looking for revenge of his buddy being killed.
If i was trayin to set up a mislynch, why tha **** would I pick ophi? I am at lease seyin why I think it wass a setup *hick*
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Well, that works. Nice shot, I'm pretty much never lynching Oph unless it's like final 3 and he has decided to become uber scummy, shooting a buddy is just such a low ev play I don't ever expect it to come from scum.
Rod seems to be using this point about Oph's logic for shooting to push his lynch, which feels even scummier. Like sure, the flavor gaming is a bit weird, but he still daykilled scum.
[b]Vote Rod[b/] Someone's looking for revenge of his buddy being killed.
So?
Uggggghhhh. Iss anywon alse seein this? If it was a gut faylin, youda said something, rai?
At lease *hick* youda thrown sum suspayshun on the matter.
Buh yew juss.. up an say it with confidence. Even gave the *hick* reason ass tuh wai he was.. *hick* pestulance..
Someone.. *hick* take a look at wat aim seein.
*thraytens kpaca *hick* "accidentally" claims *hick*
*He asks tuh shoot wheat eventually.. *hick* doesn't ayeven menshun hiss but faylin, whish, to be honest, was a good ****in argument.
I juss.. am havin a hard time believin.
Also, Rod, are you implying that I am scum and I shot my buddy?
You can just say it out loud, you know...
...unless you are scum and you want to throw shade without having repercussion.
Vote Rodemy
But yer wrong. *hick* I literally told tom that I thought you shot yer buddy..
And whuddaya mean "insignificant"? I called wheat out fer his vote on meh. And even had proper suspishun of him before ya shot his arse.
Also, is tha yer defunishun of.. *hick* "good?"
Actually I'd say Ophidia and everyone on wheat is off the table today. Probably shadow/tammy/kpaca as well.
So, like, rodemy/cantrip/anak/huntz/zionite in approximately that order of preference for me
The "scum get a benefit from killing pestilence" tinfoil world is some number of ophi/nacho/osi IMO, possibly with DV/huntz
Didn't really consider who was on it. I have no reads on anuk.
Aye honestly think scumteam is you, huntz and ophi..
With sum suspishun on osie and zionite.
Like, erry one is aktin super scummy this game.
You calling him a town lean doesn't answer the question, no.
If you usually read him correctly, would you expect town him to go eh you're reading me wrong but meh town lean?
Thanks. I still feel pretty good about Tom, but him being hypocrites in that game threw me for a loop and I didn't trust my lean there for a minute.
I don't even understand it, but I'm fine with a shot going there regardless.
Not nacho?
Need to reread through wheat, off the top of my head think his snarling dog post to osie makes osie look good because it looks like he was trying to get a wagon on someone else others felt meh about instead of him. Nacho looks good for the scum read there, as right now I don't think that's how nacho busses day one. Tom looks good also but those were all people I already liked.
That cantrip post felt like him trying to get a word in real quick before the reveal for the sake of it.
Also, not every role was randomized before alignment, just want to point that out.
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That's what I thought too!
Wheat's push against him didn't stand out as strongly scum on town as Wheat's push on Osie did. I may have missed some specific interaction though.
Do you have any townreads?
@tammy
I'm not exactly sure. I felt like the speculative read I gave on him a week ago should have pocketed him completely, and then when I scumread him after I made the read he should have been more suspicious. Especially when I helped make him top wagon over flipped scum...
Feels like he's scared to read me too strongly either way maybe?
Also my play as Hypocrites was all about faking the lighthearted noob that goes over so well on westeros. It wouldn't have worked at all outside of an alt game, and really you all should know better
Maybe Tammy.
also who are wheats buddies in the (likely) event ophidia is town?
Short interjection and then back to MeatWorld - Do you think that as scum, I would bus a buddy so adamantly (hard scumread) that it would take something pretty amazing for me to take them out of scumreads/leans? My reads are generally very fluid. I rarely put people as hard reads on either town or scum even if I do actively believe that they are of that alignment without any particular nagging doubts. So why would I do that to a scumbuddy? That just seems like asking for trouble.
This is a scummy post. This post opens up space for future mislynches/accusations. You can just call someone scum without being called out for changing your read, also you should at least have one concrete townread.
Rod, why is there no strong townreads for you? Can you explain it individually for each player?
I will later when i have my laptop. I've been extra lazy due to me usin ma phone. *hick*
**** yeah.
Drunk Irishmen don't headbang and say **** yeah in coherent English.
I really thought W_G was town.
Huntz is looking good now. Idk why you'd try to make a wagon on him osieorb and then totally deuce out(sic). Scummy.
I get we're riding high from getting a kill, but I've yet to see any argument use this knowledge of W_G as scum to our advantage. Only Silver even mentioned rereading. Yeah, I read W_G as town. But that doesn't automagically make me scum.
Rod seems to be using this point about Oph's logic for shooting to push his lynch, which feels even scummier. Like sure, the flavor gaming is a bit weird, but he still daykilled scum.
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I have a test in 2 hours in MeatWorld. But preparation for it is basically all completed. Should get some food though.
Anyways, you got me for 20 min or so.
Nacho is >rand town. I mean, this bit specifically:
Seems more like he really wants him lynched and not like a throw away read on a partner. I'll have to reread what Nacho said about wheat to be sure, but. I could see the whole thing as an elaborate set up/gambit, maybe, but it doesn't seem likely.
Most of Wheat's throw away reads are like. Rodemy/tom/D_V/Huntz? There's probably a partner in there at least. I wish we had tried to make Wheat say why he thought D_V was town, specifically, because I just. don't see it. and I'm probably not getting tom's read out of him.
Speaking of tom, he's probably the most plausible Wheat busser, especially considering he was one of the last Wheat voters and moved off of Wheat to vote /with/ him, pushing Huntz higher before the shot. I still think he's town and the Wheat wagon was clean, but. that's A Thing(tm) I'm thinking about.
When Wheat was being run up, he tried to make Huntz his counterwagon and got it. Which is unusual, I think. I sort of doubt he would deflect to a partner, but it's also possible he was distancing because he thought one of them would be shot and clear the other? Not quite sure what to make of Zionite following him onto Huntz immediately after, either. Yes, this is a waffle, I need to reread that whole part of the thread for context later.
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@D_V:
Could you help me with this exchange?
Is this town/scum or scum/scum? Why?
This man making sense.
Well to answer, it isn't easily summed up in words. I don't feel a particular agenda from Tom. It doesn't feel like a scum push in the early game. It just feels like Tom has actual conviction behind his bel off in me as scum. That feel a like town!tom and not the scum version. Scum version just pushes me because it's easy.
Ow many drunk irishmen duh yew know *hick*
Also I am avoiding other ways of seyin "****" cuz the issue of avoidin the sensor an *****e.
V/LA TIL MONDAY
Also, i feel like Tom has been spreading paranoia. I just get that feeling.
Oh.
If i was trayin to set up a mislynch, why tha **** would I pick ophi? I am at lease seyin why I think it wass a setup *hick*
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kwel.
Vote Anak.