Carp. I misread. I'm supposed to tunnel one of the two who wanted scum but expressed sorrow that they didn't get scum. So far I think that's only Ophidia since Silver didn't ask for scum? Or...he sorta did. Eh, I'll wait until the the pants are obvious before I try to force them on someone.
Unvote
@Osie: Why did you find your own post "interesting" and vote based on that (with zero posts in between your two posts, to boot)?
This is one of those posts where I know I shouldn't townread it and tell myself I shouldn't townread it but here I am townreading it anyways.
her thoughts on me are pretty based on my read of her rather than figuring me out. which i dont care for.
I'm mostly just teasing with you. You're the only person I know here. yeah it was mostly a joke, but I think as scum you might be more likely to pass me off as town than actually suspect me. I could be making that up, but I thought I'd poke at you a little.
I don't think I'd come close to being able to get an actual read on you this early!
I don't think that tom would necessarily be inclined to clear you rather than suspect you as scum.
I'm pretty disappointed that you were apparently talking about not having a touchstone in this game and wanting me to show up and I didn't even get so much as a "hi Nacho!!!!"
I'm sorry.
Hi nacho!
I was waiting to see if you were going to post and what you'd say and whether this was going to be a good game or a bad game.
Does this mean that the "I'll never get to be town ever ever again" woes are being proven wrong yet again???
tammy herself is kind of just there for me. her way of just wandering into the thread and feels and whatever the essence of tammy is always seems to ping me.
Tom I'm probably all out of pokes for the night. It's been a long day and I'm fading.
But I forgot I wanted to say how much this made me chuckle. I don't know why, could be because I'm buzzed, but the idea of the essence of me was amusing.
On the one hand I want you to be town because that would mean our good fortune is replacing the curse, but on the other hand you really want to be scum this game so I want you to be scum, but then that would mean I'd get frustrated or something and have to lynch you and then that sucks, so I don't know what I want.
So I had a dream that I drew town, the role pm even looked kinda similar which is eerie, and Vaimes and I clicked immediately and it was awesome. One part of it was prophetic so that's all yay, but Vaimes isn't here so that's boo.
Hi everybody!
Constantly drawing town with you until we have a beautiful game together isn't exactly the worst thing in the world, but such beautiful things could have been experienced in this thread.
her thoughts on me are pretty based on my read of her rather than figuring me out. which i dont care for.
I'm mostly just teasing with you. You're the only person I know here. yeah it was mostly a joke, but I think as scum you might be more likely to pass me off as town than actually suspect me. I could be making that up, but I thought I'd poke at you a little.
I don't think I'd come close to being able to get an actual read on you this early!
I don't think that tom would necessarily be inclined to clear you rather than suspect you as scum.
I'm pretty disappointed that you were apparently talking about not having a touchstone in this game and wanting me to show up and I didn't even get so much as a "hi Nacho!!!!"
I'm sorry.
Hi nacho!
I was waiting to see if you were going to post and what you'd say and whether this was going to be a good game or a bad game.
Does this mean that the "I'll never get to be town ever ever again" woes are being proven wrong yet again???
Yes! Which I'm super happy about because the last iso game was so terrible for me, and I didn't think I'd be able to play a decent scum game right now and then everyone here would be like holy **** what is wrong with her. Now I have no pressure
Constantly drawing town with you until we have a beautiful game together isn't exactly the worst thing in the world, but such beautiful things could have been experienced in this thread.
I could have been the Grim Reaper
I'll wait until tomorrow to wig that this might be over flowery, right now I'll just dream you're telling the truth and not drunken lies. LIES.
Oi! Whatcha ****ers say we go ahead *hiccup* an vote this ISO fella. *hick*
Seems to me, he might 'ave lied bout things. *hick* being iso an all.
No harm in tryin, methinks.. *hick*
vote iso
Voting someone outside the game? Check.
Drunk/flavor-posting to provide later out to explain voting someone outside the game? Check.
Doing all this right after a game where you proved that you know voting someone outside the game is a scumtell, but you're trying to diffuse it anyway? That's enough to get you a serious:
Vote Rodemy
The vote on Iso after he said that he took himself out of the game is stupid yes, but I don't really understand where he said that he "knew that voting someone outside of the game was a scumtell" and feel you're extending out a bit too far here.
Constantly drawing town with you until we have a beautiful game together isn't exactly the worst thing in the world, but such beautiful things could have been experienced in this thread.
I could have been the Grim Reaper
I'll wait until tomorrow to wig that this might be over flowery, right now I'll just dream you're telling the truth and not drunken lies. LIES.
It's not even that you have to think out of the box for a good use of that power
You have to be town which makes it even worse.
What do you mean?
Like, it's not a strong town read or anything, but. He keeps getting mislynched D1 while posting stuff like this and I don't feel a strong urge to have a repeat.
...because I had the dream and thought it was funny. It was one of those dreams that felt really real, like I had to look at my computer to see if I had really been posting and talking to Vaimes.
Why wouldn't I mention it?
It feels like you're deflecting, you aren't actually answering the original question.
On another note I now hope Nacho is town so he can resolve the issue of me for people who are getting weird about me talking about my dream.
I mean I don't think that it means anything in particular for their alignments; I do think that it's an exceedingly silly attack but when you made the post I also had a feeling you'd be attacked for it so.
yeah i'd probably wait until I am focused enough to read two pages without being distracted
at this point i think tammy is town (SURPRISE!!!) and i think that cantrip is town and my second impression was wrong - I liked his "what if I don't want towncred???" post but really i don't know why I'm trying to analyze and think about things when I am drunk
if this was a turbo i'd be ******* killing it but unfortunately thinking isn't my strong suit right now
On another note I now hope Nacho is town so he can resolve the issue of me for people who are getting weird about me talking about my dream.
I mean I don't think that it means anything in particular for their alignments; I do think that it's an exceedingly silly attack but when you made the post I also had a feeling you'd be attacked for it so.
Yeah, I expected to be attacked for it to in some way. It's pretty par for the course for my first posts. I think I was most surprised by the defensive accusations. I felt pretty chill.
Like, I don't think he's done anything behaviorally different from Avalon where he was scum read for almost the whole game but was town. I'm inclined to not want to lynch him, but at the same time he's not super townie or anything.
And a similar pattern happened in Revolution. My town game is scummy, I guess.
Who posts "I don't care for these people, and I might explain later." Not even Kpaca acts that lazy. From someone who doesn't appear to be lazy in general, it just seems ridiculous, and in turn, scummy.
or "were screwed if these people are scum" when hes scumreading me and its apparently super obvious
I joked around some early game, then quickly got more serious and got a readlist going as soon as I felt comfortable doing so. This is normal, at least in my book.
this ***** is just adding up. hes desperate to discredit me but doesnt actually have anything but generalizations about my play that i dont even think fit.
Desperate? Nah. You just have come off tonally as scummy to me. If you want, I can make a PBAP when I'm next online.
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While we're at it…:
Unofficial Vote Count:
D_V - Ophidia
Silver - Shadow
Cantrip - Rodemy, Nacho
Nacho - Tammy
Tammy - Zionite
Wheat - AG
Rodemy - Cantrip, kpaca
Ophidia - D_V, Silver
Tom - Huntz, Osi
Osi - Tom, Wheat
No Vote - Anaklusmos
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Tammy, it's possible you intended for your vote to be moved to me in an earlier post, but it's unclear.
I don't know what to think about Tom not suspecting me :?
Tammy, are you always this self-aware? Between this being super defensive around your whole town dream, you seem to have a focus on yourself and how you are looking.
Wagoning my half-RVS vote a little too eagerly. Anaklusmos does this less aggressively.
Looking at osieorb18 like
Feeling Meh about Silver's claim. I feel holding it would have been beneficial, but also see why claiming now has value. No reason to doubt the claim at this time, as it was unsolicited.
And this guy rounds out the scum team. What a contrived list, followed up by supporting a mislynch wagon while not joining it. You sir, are fake news.
Who are you talking about? It's not immediately clear if you're referring to Ophidia or someone else.
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Nacho's posts don't make me want to immediately tie a noose around his neck or anything, but I have a comment about his Cantrip vote I'm going to withhold until Cantrip reacts to it (or doesn't.)
Osi's last post doesn't really move the needle for me. Hopefully his tom post does something for me.
I'm somewhat paranoid that tom learned his lesson about trying to mislynch me and warned his teammates off of me or something, but. This thing from his reads list:
silver's claim is
i can envision how it comes from scum
but hes super open about it not meaning anything for his alignment
so it just doesnt. not much else standing out to me as anything but "silver being silver" which is default town since he freezes up as scum (in lolturbos)
work in progress
I sort of think scum!tom wouldn't be so waffly when reading me? He'd probably just write me off as town for claiming or try to pocket me or something. He probably doesn't see my claim and think "I might be able to mislynch Silver down the line so I need to waffle on him now so it's not suspicious" or something.
Who are you talking about? It's not immediately clear if you're referring to Ophidia or someone else.
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Nacho's posts don't make me want to immediately tie a noose around his neck or anything, but I have a comment about his Cantrip vote I'm going to withhold until Cantrip reacts to it (or doesn't.)
Osi's last post doesn't really move the needle for me. Hopefully his tom post does something for me.
I'm somewhat paranoid that tom learned his lesson about trying to mislynch me and warned his teammates off of me or something, but. This thing from his reads list:I sort of think scum!tom wouldn't be so waffly when reading me? He'd probably just write me off as town for claiming or try to pocket me or something. He probably doesn't see my claim and think "I might be able to mislynch Silver down the line so I need to waffle on him now so it's not suspicious" or something.
it was actually directed at you. I'm on the mobile site I guess I hit reply and not quote. Your list is trash and so is your support of the wagon with no vote. You sir, are fake news.
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Like. I support pressuring Osi but don't really want him lynched. His wagon is plenty long enough for that already.
I'm currently voting another one your scum reads.
Why are you even voting Rodemy? Just sheeping Cantrip?
Ohhh. I see. You don't like that I don't think Rodemy is scum. Is that what this is? I must be his partner because I disagree? That's what makes my reads "contrived?" Maybe it's that combined with the fact I don't *have* any scum reads? (I've done this song-and-dance on D1 before.)
Look. He definitely could be scum. I'm not ruling anyone out at this point. It's too early to have super firm town reads.
But the thing is. I don't think scum!Rodemy does what Cantrip said he did. Last game I played in was *against* scum Rodemy. It doesn't really fit what I remember of him.
Had a busy day yesterday with family and fell behind. Random thoughts from reading:
Unvote
I really like that silver claim, doubt that scum!silver ever goes "hmm, first scum game, let's lock into a day 1 claim!"
With regards to the Rodemy iso vote thing, I actually was hoping to see a vote count before Rod unvoted Iso. Yes, voting outside the game is a slight scum tell, but due to talk in the sign up thread, I'm pretty sure it's NAI, especially for Rod who I've seen vote outside of the game during RVS several times.
Well, that could be useful, except that I'm Merlin.
I love this post, and I think it >random comes from town, it's playful around a claim in a way that I don't think scum would usually come up with so quickly. Osie's posts otherwise have given me pause, but I don't /think/ it's actually much different than in Avalon, where I tunneled him forever despite him being town. I might go reread some of that just to compare.
I'm sorry for lurking everyone, I've just been really struggling with this town role PM I opened up; I keep just looking at the role PM that Iso sent me which doesn't have the greatest partners a boy could wish for and which doesn't have the color red anywhere and I just can't get myself to post in this damn thread, but I'm here now. Everything is now okay.
welcome to the scum pile! Because even if you are town, your mindset puts you at odds and as a negative asset to the town.
I really dislike this post. I would strongly consider clearing Oph if kpaca flips scum, the wording here feels like kpaca is setting up an out for blame. Vote kpaca
Hmm, I'd probably clear the other way too, I don't think that is a bus post.Other thoughts:
Cantrip: You haven't really stuck in my mind this game, which leaves me with this hole in my heart about the size of an undrawn Magic card, you didn't roll scum did you?
DV: How sure are you on Oph being scum? Like percentage. I'm reading him as earnest, not really different than what I've seen in his other games.
Tom: You should read Osie in Avalon.
Cantrip, for your first question, I lynch D_v for the reason that you stated: he is easily mislynched, or have generally ambiguous reads by town.
Um. So, my vote of Kpaca was RVS. Which is what you seemed to be saying about your vote on DV. But then you said it was "for the same reason Cantrip voted for Kpaca tbh", which doesn't sound like RVS (by definition, RVS doesn't have a "reason"). Your wording sounds off. Though, I think I recall feeling the same in the last game we played (even though I knew you were town, then), so I'm going to take a step back for now.
The vote on Iso after he said that he took himself out of the game is stupid yes, but I don't really understand where he said that he "knew that voting someone outside of the game was a scumtell" and feel you're extending out a bit too far here.
Vote: Cantripmancer
See Overwatch. Rodemy voted Seppel (who wasn't in the game), and caught moderate flak for it, but seemed aware (I thought he was explicit, but can't find a post) that he knew that doing so was viewed as scummy. So if he had just voted Iso, it wouldn't have pinged me, but he was flavor/drunk-posting at the same time, which felt like he was trying to provide an "out" for performing an action he knew was viewed as scummy (whereas town!Rodemy would have no need to leave that out). But he's continued flavorposting, so it's less of a concern. His vote on me is comical, though. I would be highly amused if both the votes on me were drunk-votes.
@Silver: What was your thought on Nacho's vote?
Unvote
Osie continues to make questionable posts. 182's "Imma head off this wagon entirely by claiming vague VIP PR" and 223's "look how helpful I'm being with my unofficial votecount" especially.
Silver, you mentioned that you see similarities between Osie here and town!Osie in Avalon, but Avalon Osie specifically realized partway through the game that his play was detrimental, and he stepped up his game. I feel like this has a good chance to be scum!Osie, but I'm ok being proven wrong. Either way, the path to determining which Osie we have is pressure.
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Osi is doing a lot of stuff I attacked him for in Avalon, but 182 feels very different from that game. I don't remember him acting so defeated in Avalon.
Ha! Cantrip is town until further notice.
(There's no way this can burn me, nope, not a chance)
Well, now that I've learned that the key to your pocket is through timely relevant image dumps, you're going to have to be on your guard in the future.
Osi is doing a lot of stuff I attacked him for in Avalon, but 182 feels very different from that game. I don't remember him acting so defeated in Avalon.
Where do you see the defeatism? Like...if he's being defeatist, he "folded" at L-7; who does that? And are you saying 182 is different, hence, Osie is town? Or hence, Osie is scum?
Ha! Cantrip is town until further notice.
(There's no way this can burn me, nope, not a chance)
Well, now that I've learned that the key to your pocket is through timely relevant image dumps, you're going to have to be on your guard in the future.
Osi is doing a lot of stuff I attacked him for in Avalon, but 182 feels very different from that game. I don't remember him acting so defeated in Avalon.
Where do you see the defeatism? Like...if he's being defeatist, he "folded" at L-7; who does that? And are you saying 182 is different, hence, Osie is town? Or hence, Osie is scum?
Different and scummy on that post. Your question is kind of my point. Who makes that 182 post? Remember how hard Osie fought at the end of Avalon? 182 seems so different. A bunch of his other posts feel like scum, but feel like scum for the same reasons I thought he was scum in Avalon. I can reconcile the rest of what feels wrong as just being Osie's playstyle, but I don't think 182 gets covered by that explanation.
Also, we probably need WG to explain his governor mention.
Like. I support pressuring Osi but don't really want him lynched. His wagon is plenty long enough for that already.
I'm currently voting another one your scum reads.
Why are you even voting Rodemy? Just sheeping Cantrip?
Ohhh. I see. You don't like that I don't think Rodemy is scum. Is that what this is? I must be his partner because I disagree? That's what makes my reads "contrived?" Maybe it's that combined with the fact I don't *have* any scum reads? (I've done this song-and-dance on D1 before.)
Look. He definitely could be scum. I'm not ruling anyone out at this point. It's too early to have super firm town reads.
But the thing is. I don't think scum!Rodemy does what Cantrip said he did. Last game I played in was *against* scum Rodemy. It doesn't really fit what I remember of him.
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Why did you claim?
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@tom:
Did you see Wheat's claim? Think it's legit/not legit? It was... conspicuously absent from your reread.
Do you think the whole scum team is in your bottom 6?
Not sure how I feel about the "silver being silver" thing. I'm not Seppel for christ's sake.
(you're still calling Zionite "Axel" by the way)
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Silver
shadow
Tammy
Cantrip
Wheat
tom
Rodemy
AtheistGod
Ophidia
kpaca
Nachomamma8
Anaklusmos
Huntzilla
Zionite
D_V
osieorb18
Nulls in no particular order.
I sort of feel okay with shrug lynching one of my nulls at random?
I put Osi by himself because I approve of his wagon existing but have no desire to join it at the moment.
I'll read Nacho's posts in the morning or something.
This is one of those posts where I know I shouldn't townread it and tell myself I shouldn't townread it but here I am townreading it anyways.
What about AG says town?
Does this mean that the "I'll never get to be town ever ever again" woes are being proven wrong yet again???
Tom I'm probably all out of pokes for the night. It's been a long day and I'm fading.
But I forgot I wanted to say how much this made me chuckle. I don't know why, could be because I'm buzzed, but the idea of the essence of me was amusing.
Also goddammit on axel/zion. I'll get it.
Constantly drawing town with you until we have a beautiful game together isn't exactly the worst thing in the world, but such beautiful things could have been experienced in this thread.
I could have been the Grim Reaper
Yes! Which I'm super happy about because the last iso game was so terrible for me, and I didn't think I'd be able to play a decent scum game right now and then everyone here would be like holy **** what is wrong with her. Now I have no pressure
this is a drunkpost.
I'll wait until tomorrow to wig that this might be over flowery, right now I'll just dream you're telling the truth and not drunken lies. LIES.
The vote on Iso after he said that he took himself out of the game is stupid yes, but I don't really understand where he said that he "knew that voting someone outside of the game was a scumtell" and feel you're extending out a bit too far here.
Vote: Cantripmancer
Then I will cherish this moment forever.
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It might have been a joke, I can't tell to be honest, but given his (over?)reaction to my claim I'm guessing not.
I mean I don't think that it means anything in particular for their alignments; I do think that it's an exceedingly silly attack but when you made the post I also had a feeling you'd be attacked for it so.
at this point i think tammy is town (SURPRISE!!!) and i think that cantrip is town and my second impression was wrong - I liked his "what if I don't want towncred???" post but really i don't know why I'm trying to analyze and think about things when I am drunk
if this was a turbo i'd be ******* killing it but unfortunately thinking isn't my strong suit right now
Yeah, I expected to be attacked for it to in some way. It's pretty par for the course for my first posts. I think I was most surprised by the defensive accusations. I felt pretty chill.
i know you dont think that since you read me saying tammy was looking for a foothold
and its the same post
so
lynch all liars?
And a similar pattern happened in Revolution. My town game is scummy, I guess.
That's an awesome combination...
Tammy has been in my townleans as of roughly the middle of page 3. I mentioned she was a town lean in post 151, beginning of page 4.
Re: Zionite, since I'm guessing that's who you meant — Same, though I'm keeping an open mind until they post again.
Who posts "I don't care for these people, and I might explain later." Not even Kpaca acts that lazy. From someone who doesn't appear to be lazy in general, it just seems ridiculous, and in turn, scummy.
I've played against you before in Revolution, in which you played reasonably well, and you have a good reputation. And?
I joked around some early game, then quickly got more serious and got a readlist going as soon as I felt comfortable doing so. This is normal, at least in my book.
Yeah, I do this all the time. "Here's a question, and this is what I expect you might answer." Not really a scumtell, just a personality trait.
Desperate? Nah. You just have come off tonally as scummy to me. If you want, I can make a PBAP when I'm next online.
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While we're at it…:
Unofficial Vote Count:
D_V - Ophidia
Silver - Shadow
Cantrip - Rodemy, Nacho
Nacho - Tammy
Tammy - Zionite
Wheat - AG
Rodemy - Cantrip, kpaca
Ophidia - D_V, Silver
Tom - Huntz, Osi
Osi - Tom, Wheat
No Vote - Anaklusmos
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Tammy, it's possible you intended for your vote to be moved to me in an earlier post, but it's unclear.
Sorry missed this, was just an RVS vote and nothing more. Hence my Unvote in my next post.
Tammy, are you always this self-aware? Between this being super defensive around your whole town dream, you seem to have a focus on yourself and how you are looking.
ill be waiting
lol
usually moreso tbh
Wagoning my half-RVS vote a little too eagerly. Anaklusmos does this less aggressively.
Looking at osieorb18 like
Feeling Meh about Silver's claim. I feel holding it would have been beneficial, but also see why claiming now has value. No reason to doubt the claim at this time, as it was unsolicited.
No other strong reads.
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Nacho's posts don't make me want to immediately tie a noose around his neck or anything, but I have a comment about his Cantrip vote I'm going to withhold until Cantrip reacts to it (or doesn't.)
Osi's last post doesn't really move the needle for me. Hopefully his tom post does something for me.
I'm somewhat paranoid that tom learned his lesson about trying to mislynch me and warned his teammates off of me or something, but. This thing from his reads list: I sort of think scum!tom wouldn't be so waffly when reading me? He'd probably just write me off as town for claiming or try to pocket me or something. He probably doesn't see my claim and think "I might be able to mislynch Silver down the line so I need to waffle on him now so it's not suspicious" or something.
Fake news, post restriction, and you.
This is the scum post that didn't show up quoted for the record.
D_V (1): Ophidia
Silvercrys3467 (1): shadowlancerx
tomsloger (2): Huntzilla, osieorb18
Nachomamma8 (1): Tammy
Rodemy (2): Cantripmancer, kpaca
Ophidia (2): Silvercrys3467, D_V
osieorb18 (2): tomsloger, Wheat_Grinder
Wheat_Grinder (1): AtheistGod
Cantripmancer (2): Rodemy, Nachomamma8
shadowlancerx (1): Zionite
With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.
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Like. I support pressuring Osi but don't really want him lynched. His wagon is plenty long enough for that already.
I'm currently voting another one your scum reads.
Why are you even voting Rodemy? Just sheeping Cantrip?
Ohhh. I see. You don't like that I don't think Rodemy is scum. Is that what this is? I must be his partner because I disagree? That's what makes my reads "contrived?" Maybe it's that combined with the fact I don't *have* any scum reads? (I've done this song-and-dance on D1 before.)
Look. He definitely could be scum. I'm not ruling anyone out at this point. It's too early to have super firm town reads.
But the thing is. I don't think scum!Rodemy does what Cantrip said he did. Last game I played in was *against* scum Rodemy. It doesn't really fit what I remember of him.
Meh. I'm going to leave my vote on Ophidia for now.
Ophidia (2): Silvercrys3467, D_V
D_V (1): Ophidia
Cantripmancer (2): Rodemy, Nachomamma8
Rodemy (2): Cantripmancer, kpaca
osieorb18 (2): tomsloger, Wheat_Grinder
tomsloger (2): osieorb18, Huntzilla
Nachomamma8 (1): Tammy
Wheat_Grinder (1): AtheistGod
shadowlancerx (1): Zionite
Silvercrys3467 (1): shadowlancerx
Everyone with two votes is crossvoting someone on their wagon.
Doesn't mean anything at the moment, but I wanted to bring it up to remind myself and others to come back and look at it later in the game.
@Iso: Tom has two separate wagons, I'm assuming Osi and Huntz are both voting him?
Unvote
I really like that silver claim, doubt that scum!silver ever goes "hmm, first scum game, let's lock into a day 1 claim!"
With regards to the Rodemy iso vote thing, I actually was hoping to see a vote count before Rod unvoted Iso. Yes, voting outside the game is a slight scum tell, but due to talk in the sign up thread, I'm pretty sure it's NAI, especially for Rod who I've seen vote outside of the game during RVS several times. I love this post, and I think it >random comes from town, it's playful around a claim in a way that I don't think scum would usually come up with so quickly. Osie's posts otherwise have given me pause, but I don't /think/ it's actually much different than in Avalon, where I tunneled him forever despite him being town. I might go reread some of that just to compare. No.
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Drunk!Rodemy is making even less sense than he usually does, joy. Having never played with Nacho, is this...normal? Um what? My two posts back and forth later followed by awarding Tammy town points constitutes wagoning? I really dislike this post. I would strongly consider clearing Oph if kpaca flips scum, the wording here feels like kpaca is setting up an out for blame.
Vote kpaca
Hmm, I'd probably clear the other way too, I don't think that is a bus post.
Other thoughts:
Cantrip: You haven't really stuck in my mind this game, which leaves me with this hole in my heart about the size of an undrawn Magic card, you didn't roll scum did you?
DV: How sure are you on Oph being scum? Like percentage. I'm reading him as earnest, not really different than what I've seen in his other games.
Tom: You should read Osie in Avalon.
See Overwatch. Rodemy voted Seppel (who wasn't in the game), and caught moderate flak for it, but seemed aware (I thought he was explicit, but can't find a post) that he knew that doing so was viewed as scummy. So if he had just voted Iso, it wouldn't have pinged me, but he was flavor/drunk-posting at the same time, which felt like he was trying to provide an "out" for performing an action he knew was viewed as scummy (whereas town!Rodemy would have no need to leave that out). But he's continued flavorposting, so it's less of a concern. His vote on me is comical, though. I would be highly amused if both the votes on me were drunk-votes.
@Silver: What was your thought on Nacho's vote?
Unvote
Osie continues to make questionable posts. 182's "Imma head off this wagon entirely by claiming vague VIP PR" and 223's "look how helpful I'm being with my unofficial votecount" especially.
Silver, you mentioned that you see similarities between Osie here and town!Osie in Avalon, but Avalon Osie specifically realized partway through the game that his play was detrimental, and he stepped up his game. I feel like this has a good chance to be scum!Osie, but I'm ok being proven wrong. Either way, the path to determining which Osie we have is pressure.
Vote Osie
EWP: @Shadow: Does this help?
(There's no way this can burn me, nope, not a chance)
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
What? There are 4 mafias in this game.
Well, now that I've learned that the key to your pocket is through timely relevant image dumps, you're going to have to be on your guard in the future.
Where do you see the defeatism? Like...if he's being defeatist, he "folded" at L-7; who does that? And are you saying 182 is different, hence, Osie is town? Or hence, Osie is scum?
Different and scummy on that post. Your question is kind of my point. Who makes that 182 post? Remember how hard Osie fought at the end of Avalon? 182 seems so different. A bunch of his other posts feel like scum, but feel like scum for the same reasons I thought he was scum in Avalon. I can reconcile the rest of what feels wrong as just being Osie's playstyle, but I don't think 182 gets covered by that explanation.
Also, we probably need WG to explain his governor mention.