I am actually town but good luck guys! I think that's officially a lynch, so yeah I was just VT. Sorry about that and please lynch Scarbo or Huntz tomorrow.
Not surprised at the NK, I was in a "Ophidia is lock town and if he's playing me I'm fine with losing to that" mode.
Mafia NK the VT makes me think we are walking straight into their trap and will lynch the wrong PR.
Ok, I'm not giving up. What I'm going to do is to go deep into the Ghosting interactions and see what I can learn from it.
Ghosting - Rhand:
#142 Rhand find Ghosting scummy, provide explanation as of why (picking sides and forcing others to), call Ghosting town at the same post for his omega read - Townie
#151 Rhand again bothered by the omega read, not sure on Ghosting as mafia - NULL
#184 Ghosting asks Rhand to explain the mafia read on him
#192 Rhand repeats his reasoning - Townie
#206 Ghosting with more questions for Rhand
#208 Rhand answers all his questions, asking for games out of Ghosting (!!!) - Townie!!!
#224 Calling Ghosting out on the Ophidia/Rodemy/Rhand confusion thingy - Townie
OK I went through enough posts to get it, I feel even stronger now that Rhand is town, moving on.
Ghosting - Huntzilla:
#127 Ghosting reads Huntzilla has town
#282 Hunt reads Ghosting as town, says he seems like frustrated town getting pushed for small reasons - Townie
#847 Hunt has a gross T/S list, votes for Ghosting with a weak reasoning - Scummy
#862 Ghosting calls Huntzilla out for not having him on T/S then voting for him
#1377 Huntzilla calls Ghosting mafia for "focusing on mechanics and not behavior" - Slightly Scummy
#1397 Hunt says Ghosting needs to die today - Scummy
#1420 being annoyed that we don't lynch obvious Ghosting - seems genuine, so actually Townie
#1421 Predicting Ghosting is going to fake claim (but thinking he is going to as mafia) - Townie
#1425 Annoyed again that we are not killing Scum Ghosting - seems genuine, so actually Townie
#1494 Immediately Unvotes when Ghosting claims Doc, even though he called him out on possibly doing so on #1421 - Scummy!
#1529 revotes Ghosting, seems genuinely confused - Townie
#1661 Tries to get info from Ghosting, seems like town who wants to get info from mafia they found - Townie
This is so all over the place. Some posts made me think Hunt is town, then others make me thinks he is mafia. @Everyone - What do you think about 1421 and 1494 and how they go together? Is it a scumtell or a non issue? @Hunt/Rhand - What does the chat before Anak joined say about Ghosting?
Ghosting - Shadow
#37 Ghosting reads Shadow as lean town
#988 Votes for Ghosting, explains reasoning - Null
#1115 Shadow has Ghosting as scum - Null
#1120 Shadow goes deeper into Ghosting read - town
#1368 Explains reasoning, soft clear Iso if Ghosting flips mafia - town (if Iso is mafia needs to review, possibly mafia)
#1478 Unvotes Ghosting after Doc claim, seems genuine - Town
Overall seems pretty townie, but pushing for Ghosting mislynch but not too hard is what I would do as mafia, so still a bit iffy on Shadow. @Shadow - Who did you jail last night and why?
Ghosting - scarbo/fulcrum
Not much to say. Ghosting has scarbo as mafia, while scarbo had Ghosting as town and fulcrum had Ghosting as mafia.
#1727 looks horrible for fulcrum.
Ghosting - Iso
#1049 Iso Calls Ghosting scum (with Vaimes and Hunt)
#1075 Iso takes off Vaimes, just Ghosting and Hunt left as mafia
#1293 Iso catchup, mentions disliking Ghosting in a sentence, not presenting an actual case - Scummy
#1308 is lol considering Ghosting turned town
#1354 Basically clears everyone based on intraction with zomg except Ghosting, then votes for him - Scummy
.. Bunch of others posts going about how Ghosting is mafia and needs to die. Generally seems really anxious to lynch Ghosting, which I expect mafia to be. Reminds me of tom in Bare Bones against Silver. @Iso - Do you think we should mass claim?
I'm not gonna do Ghosting and Cantrip, too long and I don't think cantrip is mafia anyway after doing his Iso yesterday.
Prefer to lynch: Iso
Willing to lynch: fulcrum
Don't want to lynch unless no choice: Shadow, Huntzilla
Never lynching: Rhand, Cantrip
I feel even more strongly that Iso is mafia considering there is 99% chance of a mafia outside of the PR group which contains Iso and the two people I'm never lynching.
Adding to that Vaimes was the first NK which makes sense in a mafia team lead by Iso, and the fact that town self destructed ever since Iso and I replaced into the game, and I'm town..
Yeah, Iso is probably mafia. I think he went so hard on Ghosting thinking its worth it even if he is lynched after.
@Rhand - #1736 implies you think town is in a good position? Is this the case? (You can wait with the answer until fulcrum replies to you, but I'd like an answer anyway)
@Huntzilla -
1. Did you recruit another person into the chat?
2. What are you reads on Rhand based on the chat? Any suspicion about him?
@Everyone - Do you think players who didn't vote for ZOMG on the first day get townie points? (Since mafia would probably bus there?)
Well, didn't really reread overNight because I didn't want to waste the effort if I got killed, but I will be looking at Fulcrum and Shadow, as I feel that's more likely to be a dichotomy than slightly overlapping private chat roles (Shadow/Hunt). That there *is* a slight overlap makes me slightly more suspicious of Shadow.
I also want to look at Iso and Meteor, while I'm at it. Iso's a strong player who's been abrasive and a little scatterbrained; I need to figure out if that's because he's scum or, as he says, disconnected. I've had Meteor as town from early on, and I don't know that I remember a single questionable post...which is concerningly odd.
As for Hunt, reading the neighbor chat (I was neighborized) I feel better about him. As Rhand said, he used it as a thought dump ahead of time, which would be pretty savvy for scum. Rhand has felt very town all game. I'll be surprised if he comes up scum.
Does anyone good at wagonomics want to take a look at the wagons? I can give it a shot, but I don't think I'm very good at it.
Oh and @Fulcrum: why have you never targeted a provable role?
Because the only provable role iirc is shadow, and he has a decent chance of stopping the nk via protection or block so long as he's town and I don't block him.
Also, hello, you're about to mislynch for the third time. Either it's a four man scum team, and this town is about to lose, or, more likely, it's three scum and you all will be in lylo tomorrow.
And hey, you know the read wall you gave yesterday? The one cleared people based on Ghosting and me being scum? Well, neither of us are scum, so you'll be going into lylo in the best case scenario having to trash those reads.
This is even assuming you are town, because I was mostly townreading you off the ghosting interactions and those are now completely pointless
@Meteor: Last night I jailed Rhand, I was planning to jail Iso, but switched at the last minute. Regarding Ghosting, what do you mean I didn't push him very hard? I was only not on his wagon so that people could say their peace before end of day.
Do you as of yet have any scum games?
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@Fulcrum: What do you think of the reads scarbo gave in jail chat? Who would you lynch today if you got to pick and no more posts were made?
Huntzilla's role is already in effect at night, so he's not target able, yeah? Also, I don't see the point of proving my role, when roleblockers tend to be scum. Further, even if hunt is scum and my roleblock could block the scum kill, there's no way hunt would be the one making the kill with my stated suspicion of him.
I think it's likely that iso would have made the kill were he scum, both for everyone's reads and my personal assessment of him, which means that by targetting him and getting a kill anyway, I get to remove him from my list of potential scum atm. This will then be helpful to the town with my flip.
I think it's likely that iso would have made the kill were he scum, both for everyone's reads and my personal assessment of him, which means that by targetting him and getting a kill anyway, I get to remove him from my list of potential scum atm. This will then be helpful to the town with my flip.
I don't agree with your assertion that Iso would have been the most likely person to pull the trigger.
Iso/hunt - sure, hunt was busy targeting cantrip with chat (unless he can do both, but that seems unlikely in a normal)
Iso/fulcrum - doesn't matter
Iso/meteor - meteor absolutely pulls the trigger here, far more townread.
Iso/Rhand - iso here, Rhand was jailed.
Iso/cantrip - same thing as meteor, cantrip is way more townread.
So if we assume 2 remaining scum, iso cannot be partners with hunt/Rhand because of the nightkill, but he can be with you/meteor/cantrip. Even if we throw out you, your statement that he would have been more likely to perform the NK is inaccurate, because it's still 50/50 for who he could have been partners with going into last night.
@Shadow fair enough regarding the reason you didn't vote, I'm just saying as mafia I would have hidden behind Iso as the vocal point for the Ghosting lynch without significant heat on me when he gets mislynched. Never had a mafia game and never will, the reason I'm trying harder than previous games is because this is my last mafia game due to real life changes (good ones don't worry) and I'm kinda desperate to go out with a win even if I won't stay alive that far myself. If this means I have to do annoying wagons votes like Cantrip suggest someone should do then I'm going to, but I could use the rest of the townies help.
@fulcrum Huntzilla's ability is only in effect after day starts. This statement makes me think you aren"t mafia together.
Thoughts:
1. The first two votes to hammer were town, bodes well for Rhand
2. Only Rhand, Cantrip and Shadow are alive from the first vote wagon, can they all be town?
3. Huntzilla was pretty quick to be on the town wagons, but wasn't at all on the mafia one.
@Rhand - Does looking back at Hunt diary at day 1 knowing he didn't vote zomg weird to you?
I think it's likely that iso would have made the kill were he scum, both for everyone's reads and my personal assessment of him, which means that by targetting him and getting a kill anyway, I get to remove him from my list of potential scum atm. This will then be helpful to the town with my flip.
I don't agree with your assertion that Iso would have been the most likely person to pull the trigger.
Iso/hunt - sure, hunt was busy targeting cantrip with chat (unless he can do both, but that seems unlikely in a normal)
Iso/fulcrum - doesn't matter
Iso/meteor - meteor absolutely pulls the trigger here, far more townread.
Iso/Rhand - iso here, Rhand was jailed.
Iso/cantrip - same thing as meteor, cantrip is way more townread.
So if we assume 2 remaining scum, iso cannot be partners with hunt/Rhand because of the nightkill, but he can be with you/meteor/cantrip. Even if we throw out you, your statement that he would have been more likely to perform the NK is inaccurate, because it's still 50/50 for who he could have been partners with going into last night.
Pretty sure Rhand at least was townreading cantrip and meteor more than iso. Also, he should be concerned about my reads, as I'm the one with the roleblock, and I stated a slight townread of kitty based on zomg spew and gave no real reads of cantrip and meteor.
Thoughts:
1. The first two votes to hammer were town, bodes well for Rhand
2. Only Rhand, Cantrip and Shadow are alive from the first vote wagon, can they all be town?
3. Huntzilla was pretty quick to be on the town wagons, but wasn't at all on the mafia one.
@Rhand - Does looking back at Hunt diary at day 1 knowing he didn't vote zomg weird to you?
Thoughts:
1. The first two votes to hammer were town, bodes well for Rhand
2. Only Rhand, Cantrip and Shadow are alive from the first vote wagon, can they all be town?
3. Huntzilla was pretty quick to be on the town wagons, but wasn't at all on the mafia one.
@Rhand - Does looking back at Hunt diary at day 1 knowing he didn't vote zomg weird to you?
your tunneling is bad
Maybe. If you are town then you are not making it easy for me with those replies.
Who do you think is mafia then?
Is the fulcrum scumread based on behavior, mechanics or both? Is it based on scarbos posts more or on fulcrums? If the latter, can you point me to postnumbers that pinged you?
I think it's likely that iso would have made the kill were he scum, both for everyone's reads and my personal assessment of him, which means that by targetting him and getting a kill anyway, I get to remove him from my list of potential scum atm. This will then be helpful to the town with my flip.
I don't agree with your assertion that Iso would have been the most likely person to pull the trigger.
Iso/hunt - sure, hunt was busy targeting cantrip with chat (unless he can do both, but that seems unlikely in a normal)
Iso/fulcrum - doesn't matter
Iso/meteor - meteor absolutely pulls the trigger here, far more townread.
Iso/Rhand - iso here, Rhand was jailed.
Iso/cantrip - same thing as meteor, cantrip is way more townread.
So if we assume 2 remaining scum, iso cannot be partners with hunt/Rhand because of the nightkill, but he can be with you/meteor/cantrip. Even if we throw out you, your statement that he would have been more likely to perform the NK is inaccurate, because it's still 50/50 for who he could have been partners with going into last night.
Pretty sure Rhand at least was townreading cantrip and meteor more than iso. Also, he should be concerned about my reads, as I'm the one with the roleblock, and I stated a slight townread of kitty based on zomg spew and gave no real reads of cantrip and meteor.
What does Rhand have to do with what I said? I'm confused.
Is the fulcrum scumread based on behavior, mechanics or both? Is it based on scarbos posts more or on fulcrums? If the latter, can you point me to postnumbers that pinged you?
@Iso: does Ghosting's flip change any of your reads?
Strangely, at this point, I feel rather inclined to lynch Hunt. Mostly because I haven't wanted to lynch him all game and I think that's usually indicative of a scumHunt, if I recall correctly.
Are Hunt and shadow's actions confirmed from last Night?
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@Mete0r: I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that I'm scum but it makes me want to lynch you.
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@whoever asked: I don't really see a reason not to massclaim at this point. I'm pretty sure all of our roles are outed at this point.
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Hunt, say I flip town. Who would you want to lynch?
Meteor.
I'm tired of his incessant tunneling on me, and I believe it's scum motivated trying to push my mislynch.
Let's go a little bit further, then. In the world where I'm town and meteor is scum, he would see the scum team as having the next two mislynches in the bag yesterDay. Why would he back off Ghosting at the very end?
@Iso: does Ghosting's flip change any of your reads?
Strangely, at this point, I feel rather inclined to lynch Hunt. Mostly because I haven't wanted to lynch him all game.
Thats not true and you know it.
Yoh wanted to lynch him at #1293 with bunch of points you didn't like on your notes. Even if it was true that logic doesn't make sense from town when the game is potentially on the line here.
@Mete0r: I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that I'm scum but it makes me want to lynch you.
For someone who doesnt like to repeat himself you sure like to make others.
Its cause of POE + nightkill analysis + pushing Ghosting so bad + me not getting your logic.
You can also add now trying to trick town with the Huntzilla reasoning.
@Hunt I posted a few replies ago who I want to lynch and you werent even close. Also, you seem to be super annoyed with not being townread despite the fact your are not doing anything in particular about it, which is suspicious to me.
@fulcrum Sweet. If you really are town I am locktown to you, well spotted.
@Iso: does Ghosting's flip change any of your reads?
Strangely, at this point, I feel rather inclined to lynch Hunt. Mostly because I haven't wanted to lynch him all game and I think that's usually indicative of a scumHunt, if I recall correctly.
Are Hunt and shadow's actions confirmed from last Night?
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@Mete0r: I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that I'm scum but it makes me want to lynch you.
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@whoever asked: I don't really see a reason not to massclaim at this point. I'm pretty sure all of our roles are outed at this point.
Reaper, VT.
Woohoo scum found. I was convinced that Iso was going to move away from Fulcrum when he sniffed the win was nearby, and lo and behold: he wants to lynch Hunt now. And he thinks the confirmed town shadow might be scum, which makes me sure the other one is fulcrum.
I think we're only looking for 2 more scum.
I say we lynch Iso, and then proceed as follows:
If Iso flips scum:
Shadow jails fulcrum. No nk = fulcrum is last scum.
If there is a NK, it's either not Fulcrum or there are 2 scum. In that case we have to lynch the other scum (I think meteor, might be cantrip. Not hunt if Iso flips scum) first.
If Iso flips town:
Fulcrum blocks Hunt. Shadow jails meteor.
If Hunt is blocked and there is a NK, then meteor is cleared. Hunt is cleared unless he's scum with Fulcrum and there is no block confirmation in neighbour chat.
If hunt is blocked and there is no NK, then fulcrum and meteor are scum or hunt and fulcrum are scum (in which case they purposedly skipped a nk to get meteor lynched)
If hunt is not blocked, then fulcrum is scum.
Rhand please consider this:
1. If Iso is mafia then the mafia can pass on the NK to frame fulcrum.
2. If Iso is town then it can be game ovrr unless Shadow protects the NK so as much as I would like to be cleared i'd rather not risk losing.
@Brin can a mafia member perform both night action and factional kill?
Rhand please consider this:
1. If Iso is mafia then the mafia can pass on the NK to frame fulcrum.
2. If Iso is town then it can be game ovrr unless Shadow protects the NK so as much as I would like to be cleared i'd rather not risk losing.
@Brin can a mafia member perform both night action and factional kill?
1: doesn't matter. We have one more lynch if Iso is mafia
2: how? Unless there's 3 scum left, which I doubt immensely, it just puts us in lylo. And I'm pretty sure of my Iso read.
Yo, Rhand, I don't want to recommend my own lynch or anything, but if you're making reads off the assumption I'm mafia, you should probably kill me to correct yourself.
Rhand please consider this:
1. If Iso is mafia then the mafia can pass on the NK to frame fulcrum.
2. If Iso is town then it can be game ovrr unless Shadow protects the NK so as much as I would like to be cleared i'd rather not risk losing.
@Brin can a mafia member perform both night action and factional kill?
1: doesn't matter. We have one more lynch if Iso is mafia
2: how? Unless there's 3 scum left, which I doubt immensely, it just puts us in lylo. And I'm pretty sure of my Iso read.
Why do you doubt there are 3 scum left? I'm far from expert on this things, but would the mod design a game that lets town mislynch 3 times and still win?
@fulcrum Sweet. If you really are town I am locktown to you, well spotted.
>_>
Way to sketch me out. Whatever, still townreading you.
Lol I liked the thought process and I liked that I cleared myself without even realizing it. A mafia never unvotes there in a million years and I would think that regardless of who made that Unvote.
Yo, Rhand, I don't want to recommend my own lynch or anything, but if you're making reads off the assumption I'm mafia, you should probably kill me to correct yourself.
Well fulcrum seems town to me.
Which means Iso might not be since he would probably keep campainging for her lynch.
Which leaves me confused.
I hate quick phone posting.
I meant a townclearing myself to a town!fulcrum, as a mafia would never unvote town!Ghosting when its likely to be town!fulcrum next.
Also, I meant Iso might not be mafia*
@fulcrum - I'm looking at your interactions and you ignored Shadow twice, at #1743 and at #1756. Can you respond to that?
@Rhand - Can I remind you about #1742 now?
@Brinatoo - Can a mafia player use his ability and perform the mafia kill both at the same night? (Posting again with bold so he will see)
Yo, Rhand, I don't want to recommend my own lynch or anything, but if you're making reads off the assumption I'm mafia, you should probably kill me to correct yourself.
Why do you doubt there are 3 scum left? I'm far from expert on this things, but would the mod design a game that lets town mislynch 3 times and still win?
We would not have more than 3 mislynches if we didn’t block a NK + DV’s kill N1.
Imagine the other possibility:
9 town, 4 scum, 1 hitman
D1 mislynch, hitman and scum kill town. Hitman leaves game.
6 town, 4 scum
D2 mislynch, scum kills town
4 town, 4 scum. Scum win.
In case the hitman needed Zomg and Rodemy dead we would only have 3 mislynches if the hitman can take care of them in 2 consecutive Nights or kills scum when firing wrong.
My view:
10 town, 3 scum, 1 hitman
D1 mislynch, hitman and scum kill town. Hitman leaves game.
7 town, 3 scum
D2 mislynch, scum kills town
5 town, 3 scum (mylo)
D3 mislynch, scum kills town
3 vs 3; scum wins
I think we are in good shape, yes. At least in my view of the gamestate we are.
This is how I see the game:
Town
Me
Shadow
Hunt
Might be scum if Fulcrum or Iso is town or if we have 3 scum:
Cantrip
Meteor
Scum
Fulcrum
Iso
Which means, if I’m correct about 2 remaining scum, we have a mislynch and win the game. (unless Hunt fooled me in the neighbor chat, but that is very unlikely)
I’m also very tempted to simply move Cantrip to town, but he’s too good a player to simply trust him.
Sadly my plan obviously doesn't work with Shadow having to target during the Day.
Anyways, Fulcrum, you still have to block Huntzilla. And Shadow blocks meteor then I guess if we lynch Iso.
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That fakeclaim that lead to the watcher being lynched was so anti-town that it must come from scum.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
I genuinely mean that I'm town, as scum I just shut up to avoid spewing.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Ghosting(5): Iso, Huntzilla, Ophidia, fulcrum, Rhand
Huntzilla(1): Ghosting
Ghosting has been lynched! They were Roadhog, Town Vanilla.
It is now Night 3. Night actions will be due to me by Friday @ 1100 EST (Feb. 3rd)
Yet another has failed to respawn and was permanently deleted from the game.
Ophidia, McCree, Town Vanilla has been killed.
It is now Day 4. Deadline has been set for February, 12th 2200 EST.
I targeted Iso.
@Iso: does Ghosting's flip change any of your reads?
Mafia NK the VT makes me think we are walking straight into their trap and will lynch the wrong PR.
Ok, I'm not giving up. What I'm going to do is to go deep into the Ghosting interactions and see what I can learn from it.
Ghosting - Rhand:
#142 Rhand find Ghosting scummy, provide explanation as of why (picking sides and forcing others to), call Ghosting town at the same post for his omega read - Townie
#151 Rhand again bothered by the omega read, not sure on Ghosting as mafia - NULL
#184 Ghosting asks Rhand to explain the mafia read on him
#192 Rhand repeats his reasoning - Townie
#206 Ghosting with more questions for Rhand
#208 Rhand answers all his questions, asking for games out of Ghosting (!!!) - Townie!!!
#224 Calling Ghosting out on the Ophidia/Rodemy/Rhand confusion thingy - Townie
OK I went through enough posts to get it, I feel even stronger now that Rhand is town, moving on.
Ghosting - Huntzilla:
#127 Ghosting reads Huntzilla has town
#282 Hunt reads Ghosting as town, says he seems like frustrated town getting pushed for small reasons - Townie
#847 Hunt has a gross T/S list, votes for Ghosting with a weak reasoning - Scummy
#862 Ghosting calls Huntzilla out for not having him on T/S then voting for him
#1377 Huntzilla calls Ghosting mafia for "focusing on mechanics and not behavior" - Slightly Scummy
#1397 Hunt says Ghosting needs to die today - Scummy
#1420 being annoyed that we don't lynch obvious Ghosting - seems genuine, so actually Townie
#1421 Predicting Ghosting is going to fake claim (but thinking he is going to as mafia) - Townie
#1425 Annoyed again that we are not killing Scum Ghosting - seems genuine, so actually Townie
#1494 Immediately Unvotes when Ghosting claims Doc, even though he called him out on possibly doing so on #1421 - Scummy!
#1529 revotes Ghosting, seems genuinely confused - Townie
#1661 Tries to get info from Ghosting, seems like town who wants to get info from mafia they found - Townie
This is so all over the place. Some posts made me think Hunt is town, then others make me thinks he is mafia.
@Everyone - What do you think about 1421 and 1494 and how they go together? Is it a scumtell or a non issue?
@Hunt/Rhand - What does the chat before Anak joined say about Ghosting?
Ghosting - Shadow
#37 Ghosting reads Shadow as lean town
#988 Votes for Ghosting, explains reasoning - Null
#1115 Shadow has Ghosting as scum - Null
#1120 Shadow goes deeper into Ghosting read - town
#1368 Explains reasoning, soft clear Iso if Ghosting flips mafia - town (if Iso is mafia needs to review, possibly mafia)
#1478 Unvotes Ghosting after Doc claim, seems genuine - Town
Overall seems pretty townie, but pushing for Ghosting mislynch but not too hard is what I would do as mafia, so still a bit iffy on Shadow.
@Shadow - Who did you jail last night and why?
Ghosting - scarbo/fulcrum
Not much to say. Ghosting has scarbo as mafia, while scarbo had Ghosting as town and fulcrum had Ghosting as mafia.
#1727 looks horrible for fulcrum.
Ghosting - Iso
#1049 Iso Calls Ghosting scum (with Vaimes and Hunt)
#1075 Iso takes off Vaimes, just Ghosting and Hunt left as mafia
#1293 Iso catchup, mentions disliking Ghosting in a sentence, not presenting an actual case - Scummy
#1308 is lol considering Ghosting turned town
#1354 Basically clears everyone based on intraction with zomg except Ghosting, then votes for him - Scummy
.. Bunch of others posts going about how Ghosting is mafia and needs to die. Generally seems really anxious to lynch Ghosting, which I expect mafia to be. Reminds me of tom in Bare Bones against Silver.
@Iso - Do you think we should mass claim?
I'm not gonna do Ghosting and Cantrip, too long and I don't think cantrip is mafia anyway after doing his Iso yesterday.
Prefer to lynch: Iso
Willing to lynch: fulcrum
Don't want to lynch unless no choice: Shadow, Huntzilla
Never lynching: Rhand, Cantrip
I feel even more strongly that Iso is mafia considering there is 99% chance of a mafia outside of the PR group which contains Iso and the two people I'm never lynching.
Adding to that Vaimes was the first NK which makes sense in a mafia team lead by Iso, and the fact that town self destructed ever since Iso and I replaced into the game, and I'm town..
Yeah, Iso is probably mafia. I think he went so hard on Ghosting thinking its worth it even if he is lynched after.
@Rhand - #1736 implies you think town is in a good position? Is this the case? (You can wait with the answer until fulcrum replies to you, but I'd like an answer anyway)
@Huntzilla -
1. Did you recruit another person into the chat?
2. What are you reads on Rhand based on the chat? Any suspicion about him?
@Everyone - Do you think players who didn't vote for ZOMG on the first day get townie points? (Since mafia would probably bus there?)
I also want to look at Iso and Meteor, while I'm at it. Iso's a strong player who's been abrasive and a little scatterbrained; I need to figure out if that's because he's scum or, as he says, disconnected. I've had Meteor as town from early on, and I don't know that I remember a single questionable post...which is concerningly odd.
As for Hunt, reading the neighbor chat (I was neighborized) I feel better about him. As Rhand said, he used it as a thought dump ahead of time, which would be pretty savvy for scum. Rhand has felt very town all game. I'll be surprised if he comes up scum.
Does anyone good at wagonomics want to take a look at the wagons? I can give it a shot, but I don't think I'm very good at it.
Because the only provable role iirc is shadow, and he has a decent chance of stopping the nk via protection or block so long as he's town and I don't block him.
Also, hello, you're about to mislynch for the third time. Either it's a four man scum team, and this town is about to lose, or, more likely, it's three scum and you all will be in lylo tomorrow.
And hey, you know the read wall you gave yesterday? The one cleared people based on Ghosting and me being scum? Well, neither of us are scum, so you'll be going into lylo in the best case scenario having to trash those reads.
This is even assuming you are town, because I was mostly townreading you off the ghosting interactions and those are now completely pointless
So yes. ****ed.
So you think you and Shadow are both town?
My first question rephrased as to how I wanted it answered: What dies you targeting Iso have to do with us being ****ed?
Do you as of yet have any scum games?
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@Fulcrum: What do you think of the reads scarbo gave in jail chat? Who would you lynch today if you got to pick and no more posts were made?
Iso/hunt - sure, hunt was busy targeting cantrip with chat (unless he can do both, but that seems unlikely in a normal)
Iso/fulcrum - doesn't matter
Iso/meteor - meteor absolutely pulls the trigger here, far more townread.
Iso/Rhand - iso here, Rhand was jailed.
Iso/cantrip - same thing as meteor, cantrip is way more townread.
So if we assume 2 remaining scum, iso cannot be partners with hunt/Rhand because of the nightkill, but he can be with you/meteor/cantrip. Even if we throw out you, your statement that he would have been more likely to perform the NK is inaccurate, because it's still 50/50 for who he could have been partners with going into last night.
@Shadow fair enough regarding the reason you didn't vote, I'm just saying as mafia I would have hidden behind Iso as the vocal point for the Ghosting lynch without significant heat on me when he gets mislynched. Never had a mafia game and never will, the reason I'm trying harder than previous games is because this is my last mafia game due to real life changes (good ones don't worry) and I'm kinda desperate to go out with a win even if I won't stay alive that far myself. If this means I have to do annoying wagons votes like Cantrip suggest someone should do then I'm going to, but I could use the rest of the townies help.
@fulcrum Huntzilla's ability is only in effect after day starts. This statement makes me think you aren"t mafia together.
First vote
Rodemy(1): Atogaholic/Mete0rShower
zomgarcwind(8): Rodemy, Rhand, D_V, Cantripmancer, shadowlancerx, Vaimes, zomgarcwind, Anaklusmos
Abstaining (5): kitty/Iso, Ghosting, Huntzilla, Ophidia, scarbo/fulcrum
Second vote
Ghosting(5): Anaklusmos, Iso, Huntzilla, shadowlancerx, D_V
Anaklusmos(7): Rhand, Ophidia, Mete0rShower, scarbo/fulcrum, Ghosting, Vaimes, Rodemy
Huntzilla(1): Cantripmancer
Third vote
Ghosting(5): Iso, Huntzilla, Ophidia, fulcrum, Rhand
Huntzilla(1): Ghosting
Abstaining (3): Mete0rShower, shadowlancerx, Cantripmacer
Thoughts:
1. The first two votes to hammer were town, bodes well for Rhand
2. Only Rhand, Cantrip and Shadow are alive from the first vote wagon, can they all be town?
3. Huntzilla was pretty quick to be on the town wagons, but wasn't at all on the mafia one.
@Rhand - Does looking back at Hunt diary at day 1 knowing he didn't vote zomg weird to you?
Pretty sure Rhand at least was townreading cantrip and meteor more than iso. Also, he should be concerned about my reads, as I'm the one with the roleblock, and I stated a slight townread of kitty based on zomg spew and gave no real reads of cantrip and meteor.
Maybe. If you are town then you are not making it easy for me with those replies.
Who do you think is mafia then?
Toss up between Iso and you.
Would rather kill Fulcrum and figure out where we're at
If you don't get lynched toDay, you better prove your ability toNight.
Oh.
Rhand, what does proving my ability actually do?
Strangely, at this point, I feel rather inclined to lynch Hunt. Mostly because I haven't wanted to lynch him all game and I think that's usually indicative of a scumHunt, if I recall correctly.
Are Hunt and shadow's actions confirmed from last Night?
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@Mete0r: I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that I'm scum but it makes me want to lynch you.
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@whoever asked: I don't really see a reason not to massclaim at this point. I'm pretty sure all of our roles are outed at this point.
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I'm tired of his incessant tunneling on me, and I believe it's scum motivated trying to push my mislynch.
Let's go a little bit further, then. In the world where I'm town and meteor is scum, he would see the scum team as having the next two mislynches in the bag yesterDay. Why would he back off Ghosting at the very end?
Thats not true and you know it.
Yoh wanted to lynch him at #1293 with bunch of points you didn't like on your notes. Even if it was true that logic doesn't make sense from town when the game is potentially on the line here.
For someone who doesnt like to repeat himself you sure like to make others.
Its cause of POE + nightkill analysis + pushing Ghosting so bad + me not getting your logic.
You can also add now trying to trick town with the Huntzilla reasoning.
@Hunt I posted a few replies ago who I want to lynch and you werent even close. Also, you seem to be super annoyed with not being townread despite the fact your are not doing anything in particular about it, which is suspicious to me.
@fulcrum Sweet. If you really are town I am locktown to you, well spotted.
Woohoo scum found. I was convinced that Iso was going to move away from Fulcrum when he sniffed the win was nearby, and lo and behold: he wants to lynch Hunt now. And he thinks the confirmed town shadow might be scum, which makes me sure the other one is fulcrum.
I think we're only looking for 2 more scum.
I say we lynch Iso, and then proceed as follows:
If Iso flips scum:
Shadow jails fulcrum. No nk = fulcrum is last scum.
If there is a NK, it's either not Fulcrum or there are 2 scum. In that case we have to lynch the other scum (I think meteor, might be cantrip. Not hunt if Iso flips scum) first.
If Iso flips town:
Fulcrum blocks Hunt. Shadow jails meteor.
If Hunt is blocked and there is a NK, then meteor is cleared. Hunt is cleared unless he's scum with Fulcrum and there is no block confirmation in neighbour chat.
If hunt is blocked and there is no NK, then fulcrum and meteor are scum or hunt and fulcrum are scum (in which case they purposedly skipped a nk to get meteor lynched)
If hunt is not blocked, then fulcrum is scum.
vote Iso
1. If Iso is mafia then the mafia can pass on the NK to frame fulcrum.
2. If Iso is town then it can be game ovrr unless Shadow protects the NK so as much as I would like to be cleared i'd rather not risk losing.
@Brin can a mafia member perform both night action and factional kill?
1: doesn't matter. We have one more lynch if Iso is mafia
2: how? Unless there's 3 scum left, which I doubt immensely, it just puts us in lylo. And I'm pretty sure of my Iso read.
>_>
Way to sketch me out. Whatever, still townreading you.
Welcome back! We need you here. Well I do at least.
Why do you doubt there are 3 scum left? I'm far from expert on this things, but would the mod design a game that lets town mislynch 3 times and still win?
Lol I liked the thought process and I liked that I cleared myself without even realizing it. A mafia never unvotes there in a million years and I would think that regardless of who made that Unvote.
Well fulcrum seems town to me.
Which means Iso might not be since he would probably keep campainging for her lynch.
Which leaves me confused.
I meant a townclearing myself to a town!fulcrum, as a mafia would never unvote town!Ghosting when its likely to be town!fulcrum next.
Also, I meant Iso might not be mafia*
@fulcrum - I'm looking at your interactions and you ignored Shadow twice, at #1743 and at #1756. Can you respond to that?
@Rhand - Can I remind you about #1742 now?
@Brinatoo - Can a mafia player use his ability and perform the mafia kill both at the same night? (Posting again with bold so he will see)
I think Iso is scum regardless of your alignment.
We would not have more than 3 mislynches if we didn’t block a NK + DV’s kill N1.
Imagine the other possibility:
9 town, 4 scum, 1 hitman
D1 mislynch, hitman and scum kill town. Hitman leaves game.
6 town, 4 scum
D2 mislynch, scum kills town
4 town, 4 scum. Scum win.
In case the hitman needed Zomg and Rodemy dead we would only have 3 mislynches if the hitman can take care of them in 2 consecutive Nights or kills scum when firing wrong.
My view:
10 town, 3 scum, 1 hitman
D1 mislynch, hitman and scum kill town. Hitman leaves game.
7 town, 3 scum
D2 mislynch, scum kills town
5 town, 3 scum (mylo)
D3 mislynch, scum kills town
3 vs 3; scum wins
So yeh, I’m pretty sure.
I think we are in good shape, yes. At least in my view of the gamestate we are.
This is how I see the game:
Town
Me
Shadow
Hunt
Might be scum if Fulcrum or Iso is town or if we have 3 scum:
Cantrip
Meteor
Scum
Fulcrum
Iso
Which means, if I’m correct about 2 remaining scum, we have a mislynch and win the game. (unless Hunt fooled me in the neighbor chat, but that is very unlikely)
I’m also very tempted to simply move Cantrip to town, but he’s too good a player to simply trust him.
Sadly my plan obviously doesn't work with Shadow having to target during the Day.
Anyways, Fulcrum, you still have to block Huntzilla. And Shadow blocks meteor then I guess if we lynch Iso.
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