2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Because if the jailor claims, we know if D_V is selling us yet another gambit or not.
But as I said, it can wait.
The way I see it, it will out a PR and we will still most likely have tons of ???? about who is telling the truth and what really happened, so I'm not sure how much help it would be right now anyway.
Unless you are expecting the Jailor to come forward with some proof that D_V is mafia, which I don't see possible.
BTW, didn't mean to discourage your 5 hours effort, just annoyed that I can't read you. Effort appreciated.
Just for *****s and giggles, would you have revealed yourself to d_v after that d1?
Rodemy, stop fishing for power roles.
Meteor: regardless of whether you're jailer or not, don't answer that question.
Will do.
This should remind any player who in the future posts a scum team that includes both Shadow and Rodemy that it doesn't make sense. (Flashbacks to Bare Bones)
@ghosting, scarbo posted next to nothing yesterDay if i remember correctly.
He unvoted cantrip after zomg claimed his fake tracker role and i believe that's the last we've heard of him.
I feel that is more scummy than anything else. That, mixed with his poor attitude of me calling him out on his cantrip read puts him in the scum column for me.
More side notes that is who zomg placed a vote on with "rvs reasoning"
Scarbo saw nothing inherently scummy or inpressive about zomg.
I'm going off memory here because all i have is my phone and it's frustrating to navigate this site.
Scarbos lack of posting toDay also raises a few flags.
There ya go.
Nice. I was starting to get worried that you are a neutral that needs D_V dead.
What do you think about Huntzilla?
Heya fella.
Why is it strongly pointing to being unaligned and not buddying?
I know next to nothing about scarbo except that no gamesolving = scum!scarbo.
I've only read one towngame of his, and then he and I were buddies in Trigger Happy.
So why aren't you voting him? He has done no gamesolving. Ergo, scum!scarbo
@meteor lemme look at him. It might take a bit since i dont have a cpu
Because I'm not a Double Voter.
I would much, much rather go after the harder to lynch scum. Be it figuring him out further and changing my read in the process, or full-on killing him should I fail to be convinced.
Scum!Iso is like a mold that needs to be purged when there's as many townies alive as possible.
I know next to nothing about scarbo except that no gamesolving = scum!scarbo.
I've only read one towngame of his, and then he and I were buddies in Trigger Happy.
So why aren't you voting him? He has done no gamesolving. Ergo, scum!scarbo
@meteor lemme look at him. It might take a bit since i dont have a cpu
Because I'm not a Double Voter.
I would much, much rather go after the harder to lynch scum. Be it figuring him out further and changing my read in the process, or full-on killing him should I fail to be convinced.
Scum!Iso is like a mold that needs to be purged when there's as many townies alive as possible.
._. Scum!iso got me lynched in 5 pages in off the grid. He is, to be feared. Bewarrrre. Bewaaaaarrree.
D_V sorry for ruining your vibe.
Lets do this:
Meteor wants to know what i think of hunt. Time tk step the **** back from this d_v loophole i have dug myself into and see what hunt brings:
*reads the two pages of iso.
JESUS CHRIST HE TALKED ABOUT ME A LOT.
If that isn't scum trying super ****in hard to pocket me, idk what is.
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Heya fella.
Why is it strongly pointing to being unaligned and not buddying?
Hola Huntzilla,
They can be aligned as town togher, but not mafia IMO.
I don't see scum!Shadow ever seeing that post and thinking yeah, lets fake being upset at scum!Rodemy just before he might get an answer that can help the mafia team.
At most he would have waited for my answer then replies to his mafia team memember.
Heya fella.
Why is it strongly pointing to being unaligned and not buddying?
Hola Huntzilla,
They can be aligned as town togher, but not mafia IMO.
I don't see scum!Shadow ever seeing that post and thinking yeah, lets fake being upset at scum!Rodemy just before he might get an answer that can help the mafia team.
At most he would have waited for my answer then replies to his mafia team memember.
I'm really busy today studying so I can't do too much, but I do want to post the T/S list I was asked for (sorry you had to remind me Meteor). It might turn into rambling, but I've honestly gone back and forth from confident to completely lost in this game, so hopefully it ends up making sense. Feel free to ask for clarification wherever necessary, and I'll still be checking in to answer questions, I just can't devote almost any time today (or the first half of tomorrow) to reading and actively playing beyond that. Killer semester so far and the MCAT being next week has only added to the stresses.
Town:
So these are players that I'm very comfortable saying are town. I'll expand on reasons wherever necessary, but will try to include what I have written in the notes on my iPad right now.
Cantripmancer: I know that walls of text don't necessarily equate to being town, but I do feel that Cantrip's constantly been trying to solve the game. He isn't just posting walls of texts, he's asking questions, follow up questions, and it doesn't seem like he's doing so maliciously. An example is that he doesn't seem to have a problem with admitting he's wrong, or thinking about things without just tunneling. His play has generally come across as natural and with a genuine desire to win the game for town.
Iso: I've played with Iso more than a few times, and I do feel that he's playing how town Iso plays. Furthermore, when Iso's reads mimic my own, it solidifies my opinion that he's town. I can expand on this more if needed, but I won't lie and say there's piles of town points he's earned, rather, lots of intuition and him sharing my thoughts a lot (which whenever that happens I tend to townread the person because if I'm town and coming to the same conclusions, it makes sense that they're more likely to be town).
Ophidia: I remember townreading Ophidia earlier, I don't have anything from today that makes me think he's town or scum though, so this is just here for the same reasons as D1. I do want to see more from him though, is he v/la or am I just missing what he's said today? I do think that sometimes when he's posted it just seems pointless. At one point he said that a post I made was "interesting", and was curious about other people's thoughts, but went nowhere from there. Kind of read as opportunistic, but mostly read as lazy town.
Lean Town:
Mete0rShower: To be honest, I would have Meteor as full town if it wasn't that I felt so weird about Atog yesterday. Definitely a good job replacing in, if you're scum you've changed how I feel about the person you replaced quite a bit so props for that. I plan to read more into Meteor as time goes on and I get a better feel, but so far so good.
Shadowlancerx: I think I've already explained why I feel this way fairly recently, I'll link to the post if necessary but I'm pretty sure it was within the past day or two. Lean town because I only more recently started feeling this way, was feeling worse yesterday so not quite comfortable having him as lean town yet.
Rodemy: I don't know if this even needs explaining lol, I'll elaborate if needed but I've gone over how I think Rod is town enough as is.
Null:
Rhand: Rhand's play today has made me feel like I may have been tunneling yesterday, or he was talked to or something. I put him as null because I'm genuinely on the fence about him, like I said earlier; if other people come up as scum, I think my read on him would become much more clearly defined. I'm basically having a hard time deciding if what he's doing is opportunistic scum or consistent town, lol. Kind of makes you realize that no matter how much mafia you play, you can still feel so out of the loop with reads sometimes.
Scarbo: Need to read scarbo more, there's nothing in my iPad notes and off the top of my head I just remember feeling less than ideal about him. Someone can remind me to reread him or go into more detail later and I definitely will.
D_V: Still trying to figure out the D_V situation, planning on doing that when my workload decreases. If there is a jailer, and he/she thought D_V was scum, wouldn't they have said something? Killing 2 scum and losing 1 jailer seems good by D2. So I think either D_V is town, or there is no jailer?
Lean Scum:
Anaklusmos: I'm going to link you guys to specific posts later tonight about this, but basically I feel like he's contributed next to nothing while also playing opportunistically. And I always feel like there's that one scum who kind of sits in the back and quietly floats along while being eager, which is how I'm reading him. Like I said I'll link the posts later tonight because that's easiest.
Vaimes: I've also explained this a bit, will go over again if necessary.
Have to rush down to school so sorry if I left anything/anyone off, will add more later. Feel free to ask questions guys, I'll do my best to not be too inactive.
Sure I haven't posted much in this game yet, it takes me some time to get a feel for it. But what have I done that's opportunistic? And I don't mean anything r_0 did, something I have done.
@Rod why would Hunt be trying to pocket you, moreover, why does he do that as scum here?
I'm really busy today studying so I can't do too much, but I do want to post the T/S list I was asked for (sorry you had to remind me Meteor). It might turn into rambling, but I've honestly gone back and forth from confident to completely lost in this game, so hopefully it ends up making sense. Feel free to ask for clarification wherever necessary, and I'll still be checking in to answer questions, I just can't devote almost any time today (or the first half of tomorrow) to reading and actively playing beyond that. Killer semester so far and the MCAT being next week has only added to the stresses.
Town:
So these are players that I'm very comfortable saying are town. I'll expand on reasons wherever necessary, but will try to include what I have written in the notes on my iPad right now.
Cantripmancer: I know that walls of text don't necessarily equate to being town, but I do feel that Cantrip's constantly been trying to solve the game. He isn't just posting walls of texts, he's asking questions, follow up questions, and it doesn't seem like he's doing so maliciously. An example is that he doesn't seem to have a problem with admitting he's wrong, or thinking about things without just tunneling. His play has generally come across as natural and with a genuine desire to win the game for town.
Iso: I've played with Iso more than a few times, and I do feel that he's playing how town Iso plays. Furthermore, when Iso's reads mimic my own, it solidifies my opinion that he's town. I can expand on this more if needed, but I won't lie and say there's piles of town points he's earned, rather, lots of intuition and him sharing my thoughts a lot (which whenever that happens I tend to townread the person because if I'm town and coming to the same conclusions, it makes sense that they're more likely to be town).
Ophidia: I remember townreading Ophidia earlier, I don't have anything from today that makes me think he's town or scum though, so this is just here for the same reasons as D1. I do want to see more from him though, is he v/la or am I just missing what he's said today? I do think that sometimes when he's posted it just seems pointless. At one point he said that a post I made was "interesting", and was curious about other people's thoughts, but went nowhere from there. Kind of read as opportunistic, but mostly read as lazy town.
Lean Town:
Mete0rShower: To be honest, I would have Meteor as full town if it wasn't that I felt so weird about Atog yesterday. Definitely a good job replacing in, if you're scum you've changed how I feel about the person you replaced quite a bit so props for that. I plan to read more into Meteor as time goes on and I get a better feel, but so far so good.
Shadowlancerx: I think I've already explained why I feel this way fairly recently, I'll link to the post if necessary but I'm pretty sure it was within the past day or two. Lean town because I only more recently started feeling this way, was feeling worse yesterday so not quite comfortable having him as lean town yet.
Rodemy: I don't know if this even needs explaining lol, I'll elaborate if needed but I've gone over how I think Rod is town enough as is.
Null:
Rhand: Rhand's play today has made me feel like I may have been tunneling yesterday, or he was talked to or something. I put him as null because I'm genuinely on the fence about him, like I said earlier; if other people come up as scum, I think my read on him would become much more clearly defined. I'm basically having a hard time deciding if what he's doing is opportunistic scum or consistent town, lol. Kind of makes you realize that no matter how much mafia you play, you can still feel so out of the loop with reads sometimes.
Scarbo: Need to read scarbo more, there's nothing in my iPad notes and off the top of my head I just remember feeling less than ideal about him. Someone can remind me to reread him or go into more detail later and I definitely will.
D_V: Still trying to figure out the D_V situation, planning on doing that when my workload decreases. If there is a jailer, and he/she thought D_V was scum, wouldn't they have said something? Killing 2 scum and losing 1 jailer seems good by D2. So I think either D_V is town, or there is no jailer?
Lean Scum:
Anaklusmos: I'm going to link you guys to specific posts later tonight about this, but basically I feel like he's contributed next to nothing while also playing opportunistically. And I always feel like there's that one scum who kind of sits in the back and quietly floats along while being eager, which is how I'm reading him. Like I said I'll link the posts later tonight because that's easiest.
Vaimes: I've also explained this a bit, will go over again if necessary.
Have to rush down to school so sorry if I left anything/anyone off, will add more later. Feel free to ask questions guys, I'll do my best to not be too inactive.
Sure I haven't posted much in this game yet, it takes me some time to get a feel for it. But what have I done that's opportunistic? And I don't mean anything r_0 did, something I have done.
@Rod why would Hunt be trying to pocket you, moreover, why does he do that as scum here?
I was making a lot of noise. Easy to latch onto. Scum don't really need a reason yo pocket.
Take shadow and silver from bare bones: shadow pocketed silver in case he got lynched. Contingency plan.
I was also going after ophidia who is now pretty much a town read for all.
Scum latches onto me for my scum read on a townie. They pocket, other scum push my lynch.
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@Ghosting: It is severely concerning to me that you're town reading Iso for his reads being similar to yours, despite the fact that HE HASN'T EVEN READ THE GAME! Talk to me about how that comes from a town perspective.
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@Iso: If it's not apparent above, or by the several people who have already said so, I also think you should read the game. Once you do, I expect an update on your questionable scum reads.
@Rodemy: Can you link specific posts that make you think Hunt is/was trying to pocket you?
@Anak: With regards to Rodemy thinking Hunt is pocketing him, do you think that it is indeed intentional pocketing, and that it comes from scum or town and why?
Actually Iso, really I just want you to tell me if your opinion of Rodemy changes, cause I think he's basically lock town. So that's really it, your Vaimes read, while I disagree with it, doesn't bother me as much.
Vaimes, you state Rod and DV are toDay's competing wagons then promptly go for Anak? Also, how can you possibly claim to have the scum team locked into that little list when I've barely provided any content so far?
Mete0r, how do Ophidia's interactions with Rod give you any information about Rod's alignment when you presumably don't know Ophidia's?
Rod, I've lied plenty times as town. Why else is DV scum? Do you think he's lying about being jailed?
Rhand, you had a scum read on me earlier toDay you preferred not to explain then cleared me in 953 because of something zomg said. What's up with that?
@Scarbo - I meant it was the read I got on Ophidia from the conversations between them. Is interactions the wrong word here? English is not my first language. Anyway, that's what I meant.
Hmm, maybe Iso *is* scum. He's not reading even toDay's posts.
I was being cheeky about the fact that Rhand included nothing under my name in his reads post.
I was being cheeky because you forgot to include your [cheeky] tags. But seriously, as evidenced by multiple people's comments: this came off as serious, which would make it either you not reading the post (you indicate otherwise), or a smear. If it wasn't serious, it just served as a distraction. That you made it without even a hint as to whether it was serious or not makes me think that you intended for it to be ambiguous. Was that the case?
Its chill I've cooled off. I'll probabally step back for a day or two.
I'm probabally really frustrated because I feel like you are town and just ignoring many things to fit your point. For example when I show someone voting Zomg because of my neutral claim you just 100% buried it and moved on.
You actually make a good point about the Neutral claim/Name claim thing I was running a few things in my mind at the time and thought I had done it differently. See and that's the thing you are definitively town because you are reading this. I just think that I as a scum player will be hyper aware of things like that and go back and check, instead of just saying how I think it went down.
Ok, that's a fair point. Still haven't had a chance to reread those posts, but I will.
Vaimes, you state Rod and DV are toDay's competing wagons then promptly go for Anak? Also, how can you possibly claim to have the scum team locked into that little list when I've barely provided any content so far?
Mete0r, how do Ophidia's interactions with Rod give you any information about Rod's alignment when you presumably don't know Ophidia's?
Rod, I've lied plenty times as town. Why else is DV scum? Do you think he's lying about being jailed?
Rhand, you had a scum read on me earlier toDay you preferred not to explain then cleared me in 953 because of something zomg said. What's up with that?
A question that's been debated quite a bit already, a good question, questions about DV that have already been asked, and another good question. Not quite what I'd like to see from Scarbo, but it's a start.
Actually Iso, really I just want you to tell me if your opinion of Rodemy changes, cause I think he's basically lock town. So that's really it, your Vaimes read, while I disagree with it, doesn't bother me as much.
Why do you care about iso's opinion of me?
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@shadow, iso him and count the times he mentions me. It's almost every post. I can iso on my phone, but it takes a bit. I'll point out which ones stand out to me
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Actually Iso, really I just want you to tell me if your opinion of Rodemy changes, cause I think he's basically lock town. So that's really it, your Vaimes read, while I disagree with it, doesn't bother me as much.
@shadow, iso him and count the times he mentions me. It's almost every post. I can iso on my phone, but it takes a bit. I'll point out which ones stand out to me
I'm also on mobile, so same problem
I'll look back, but if you just want to do post numbers that's fine too.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Vaimes is so different here compared to Bare Bones.
He was much more aggressive there and called out 3 different people (DoTA, Kosa, Huntzilla) scum within his first 8 posts - link for the ISO.
This game, I had to look at much more posts until I found one person he called out scum.
Not sure if he doesn't have any solid reads this game, or just scum!Vaimes who plays differently compared to town!Vaimes.
He did threaten to lynch a couple of people based on POE, which he didn't seem to do in Bare Bones, but thats not calling them out as scum, thats calling them out for providing more content, which you can easily do as scum. Actually ZOMG did it himself in post #338.
I am kinda null here, because he had some good posts that seems town (like #125) and some bad ones (like #377, where he seems to attempt to go for Rhand instead of zomg). In Bare Bones it was much easier to read him as town though for both content and tone, so I can see him possibly being mafia.
For me Huntzilla seems more likely to be mafia, but right now I'm the only vote on him so...
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
You are so scum, I'm going to relish leaving you as the last mafia alive so you can know how precisely ****ed you are once your teammates start to fall.
Sadly you are not the head of the snake and will have to wait your turn to die.
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Mete0r, I never want to play the way I did in BB again. As evidenced by my QT, that was a very emotionally draining game.
My wagon is very, very slowly creeping along. And I can tell from the amount of "man Vaimes sounded town earlier but now idk" reads that a bunch of votes are gonna plop down on me as deadline gets closer and there won't be time to do anything /but/ lynch me.
So if I'm going to get run up, do it already. Then I can claim, make it very clear that I am town, and we can lynch Iso. I will also settle for scarbo, Anak, or Ghosting.
But I want the votes down, committed, in the bold coloring of your choice, so that people can look back at my wagon and systematically tear the mafia a new ********.
Aside from the fact that my play in this game does not fit your already proven false interpretation of my meta, what reasons are you scumreading me for?
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
No, Iso. You can talk to me about my scumread on you once you've caught up. Anything else I will take as procrastinating and active lurking in disguise, unless you're constructively asking questions to clarify past events or something.
I will respond to your post now, but will not post it until after you're caught up. Being yelled at or threatened or lynched will not make me share it any earlier.
just iso'd zomg and reached the following conclusions:
292: This lengthy of a response to Rhand's suspicion doesn't strike me as something zomg would spend the effort on. Conclusion: town!Rhand.
421: Doesn't buy DV's neutral claim. This is wifom, but I don't think it would be grounds to bus. Conclusion: neutral!DV.
442: Pretty lengthy response to rod. As with Rhand, town!Rodemy.
449: This is an interesting post where zomg presents us with a false premise, i.e. his town flip. The conclusions he presents would therefore be things he wanted us to believe at that moment, before his flip. So he does some fearmongering with town tunneling on Rhand and Rodemy. Reinforce above conclusions. The "mayyybe" chain lynching cantrip is noteworthy but not conclusive.
The following interactions are almost exclusively with Rod and Rhand.
548: Spends a lot of effort on DV. Reinforce DV conclusion.
I'm not sure what to make of the multiple scum team thing. I mean scum shouldn't know that, should they? Plus it's a normal.
With all that let's look at his t/s list in 257.
Vaimes: is a huge red flag, "feels town right now." That just reeks of a hedged read. Plus he had no substantial interactions with Vaimes. Conclusion: scum!Vaimes.
Hunt: Hedged yet again but from the opposite direction. He wants to plant the idea that he could be scum, riling town suspicion. Conclusion: town!Hunt.
Cantrip: It sounds like he sees cantrip as a threat and doesn't want to set him off with a scum read. Conclusion: town!cantrip.
Shadow: null
Kitty: null
Red: This came across as making an excuse for his play. Possibly scum!Red.
Atog: null, but possibly coaching?
Ghosting: pretty weak reasons for a scum read. Probably town!Ghosting.
Rhand: yet again, a far reach. Interesting that he chose to bring Atog into it.
You are so scum, I'm going to relish leaving you as the last mafia alive so you can know how precisely ****ed you are once your teammates start to fall.
Sadly you are not the head of the snake and will have to wait your turn to die.
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Mete0r, I never want to play the way I did in BB again. As evidenced by my QT, that was a very emotionally draining game.
Sorry.
Still voting iso.
So scumteam is
Zomg
Scarbo
Iso
Who is your 4th?
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Just checking in to make my v/la more official, I really haven't been able to devote any time to mafia unfortunately and won't be able to until after the 19th. I promise I'll make up for it when I'm back, and just an apology to all you guys for being absent for so long. :/
i already prefaced stating that lying does not necessarily imply scum. see my question earlier to rodemy. so DV stating that he was jailed does not implicate him. i never believed his jailed story, but i didn't think he was scum for it.
DV, look buddy. i'm on your side here. but i have information that gives me incredibly strong reason to believe you lied about being jailed. OK sure, it's still within the realm of possibility, but i highly doubt it. i still don't think your lie comes from a scum mindset.
now, what do we do with this? i don't know. you have two choices from my pov: retract your claim or stick to it. personally, i don't give a damn. if you retract, that could prove problematic for you. if you stick to your guns, that could prove problematic for me, but it's a risk i'm willing to take for... reasons. SO! i say we just take this limited information i've provided, carry on, and see who/if anyone gets jailed going forward.
And you waited until now to bring this up because __________.
Expanding on this a bit: take a walk with me down memory lane.
Day starts. DV claims to have been Jailed. A lot of people doubt this. scarbo pops in a couple of times, doesn't really do much. Eventually scarbo votes me. Then he claims that he can prove there is no Jailer.
scarbo's claim there says "I should be voting DV, but I'm not." In fact, he hasn't even mentioned the Jailer until literally five minutes ago while the rest of us have been *****ing about it for what, a week? Over a week?
I have a hard time seeing these actions coming from a townie with information that directly contradicts the major goings-on of the thread.
I'm not sure what to make of the multiple scum team thing. I mean scum shouldn't know that, should they? Plus it's a normal.
This is a tangent, just wanted to comment: scumteams are smaller when there's more than one, so that town doesn't start off borderline overrun. So if you're scum, and you have a small team in a large game, stands to reason that there's another mafia team.
This makes no sense, based on your earlier actions.
There's no way you could have missed the Jailer discussion, even if you weren't caught up, because it makes up 90% of toDay's content. And catching DV in a lie meant that your vote should have been on him 100% of the time.
I was being facetious.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Why is it strongly pointing to being unaligned and not buddying?
I would much, much rather go after the harder to lynch scum. Be it figuring him out further and changing my read in the process, or full-on killing him should I fail to be convinced.
Scum!Iso is like a mold that needs to be purged when there's as many townies alive as possible.
._. Scum!iso got me lynched in 5 pages in off the grid. He is, to be feared. Bewarrrre. Bewaaaaarrree.
D_V sorry for ruining your vibe.
Lets do this:
Meteor wants to know what i think of hunt. Time tk step the **** back from this d_v loophole i have dug myself into and see what hunt brings:
*reads the two pages of iso.
JESUS CHRIST HE TALKED ABOUT ME A LOT.
If that isn't scum trying super ****in hard to pocket me, idk what is.
*****.
This sounds sarcastic.. Are you not surprised that people read you as mafia? Is it just Ghosting specifically?
Hola Huntzilla,
They can be aligned as town togher, but not mafia IMO.
I don't see scum!Shadow ever seeing that post and thinking yeah, lets fake being upset at scum!Rodemy just before he might get an answer that can help the mafia team.
At most he would have waited for my answer then replies to his mafia team memember.
Thanks Rodemy. I noticed it too.
Do you see similarities between scum!Iso there and Iso this game?
Concidering i am still alive, no.
However, i feel like him not reading the beginning of the game is poor play.
Sure I haven't posted much in this game yet, it takes me some time to get a feel for it. But what have I done that's opportunistic? And I don't mean anything r_0 did, something I have done.
@Rod why would Hunt be trying to pocket you, moreover, why does he do that as scum here?
I was making a lot of noise. Easy to latch onto. Scum don't really need a reason yo pocket.
Take shadow and silver from bare bones: shadow pocketed silver in case he got lynched. Contingency plan.
I was also going after ophidia who is now pretty much a town read for all.
Scum latches onto me for my scum read on a townie. They pocket, other scum push my lynch.
Vote Ghosting
@Iso: If it's not apparent above, or by the several people who have already said so, I also think you should read the game. Once you do, I expect an update on your questionable scum reads.
@Rodemy: Can you link specific posts that make you think Hunt is/was trying to pocket you?
@Anak: With regards to Rodemy thinking Hunt is pocketing him, do you think that it is indeed intentional pocketing, and that it comes from scum or town and why?
Mete0r, how do Ophidia's interactions with Rod give you any information about Rod's alignment when you presumably don't know Ophidia's?
Rod, I've lied plenty times as town. Why else is DV scum? Do you think he's lying about being jailed?
Rhand, you had a scum read on me earlier toDay you preferred not to explain then cleared me in 953 because of something zomg said. What's up with that?
Read the thread and try again
Ok, that's a fair point. Still haven't had a chance to reread those posts, but I will.
A question that's been debated quite a bit already, a good question, questions about DV that have already been asked, and another good question. Not quite what I'd like to see from Scarbo, but it's a start.
Moar pls.
Why do you care about iso's opinion of me?
I'm also on mobile, so same problem
I'll look back, but if you just want to do post numbers that's fine too.
If you iso'd yourself, would that be an existential crisis?
I'm asking the tough questions here.
Also, you still have an unanswered question from me.
@shadow havent iso'd yet, but for some content, i found it weird tbat he repeated my question to ophi about how he thought a vt claim would save him.
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@Cantrip: Given my dry sense of humor, I expected you guys to read my mind, so...it's not my fault you didn't pick up on my joke?
I think I'll start reading the friend tomorrow at work.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Iso(2): D_V, Vaimes
Vaimes(2): Iso, Rodemy
Ghosting(2): Huntzilla, shadowlancerx
Huntzilla(1): Mete0rShower
D_V(2): Ophidia, Cantripmancer
There were no issues of inactivity last week but I think some are getting close to prod range.
ugh but I don't want to do WORK and hunt down the non-voters
Why has this stalled? Is everyone waiting for Iso, is it the weekend, what?
Vote: Vaimes
He was much more aggressive there and called out 3 different people (DoTA, Kosa, Huntzilla) scum within his first 8 posts - link for the ISO.
This game, I had to look at much more posts until I found one person he called out scum.
Not sure if he doesn't have any solid reads this game, or just scum!Vaimes who plays differently compared to town!Vaimes.
He did threaten to lynch a couple of people based on POE, which he didn't seem to do in Bare Bones, but thats not calling them out as scum, thats calling them out for providing more content, which you can easily do as scum. Actually ZOMG did it himself in post #338.
I am kinda null here, because he had some good posts that seems town (like #125) and some bad ones (like #377, where he seems to attempt to go for Rhand instead of zomg). In Bare Bones it was much easier to read him as town though for both content and tone, so I can see him possibly being mafia.
For me Huntzilla seems more likely to be mafia, but right now I'm the only vote on him so...
I will read soon and post Within today.
Realized after 3 hours that I'm only on page 3. =_=
I have a fair grasp on the opening of the game. At this point, I'm mostly interested in seeing how the wagons - particularly zomg's - went down.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Sadly you are not the head of the snake and will have to wait your turn to die.
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Mete0r, I never want to play the way I did in BB again. As evidenced by my QT, that was a very emotionally draining game.
Sorry.
My wagon is very, very slowly creeping along. And I can tell from the amount of "man Vaimes sounded town earlier but now idk" reads that a bunch of votes are gonna plop down on me as deadline gets closer and there won't be time to do anything /but/ lynch me.
So if I'm going to get run up, do it already. Then I can claim, make it very clear that I am town, and we can lynch Iso. I will also settle for scarbo, Anak, or Ghosting.
But I want the votes down, committed, in the bold coloring of your choice, so that people can look back at my wagon and systematically tear the mafia a new ********.
This abstaining is abysmal.
Aside from the fact that my play in this game does not fit your already proven false interpretation of my meta, what reasons are you scumreading me for?
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Scarbo, why vote Vaimes when the only reasoning you have is "lol k"?
You feel like the most scummy to me atm, for all that lurking and this vote.
Vote Scarbo
Ghostling, Anak and Rhand is currently abstaining.
I will respond to your post now, but will not post it until after you're caught up. Being yelled at or threatened or lynched will not make me share it any earlier.
Plus your more recent posts.
292: This lengthy of a response to Rhand's suspicion doesn't strike me as something zomg would spend the effort on. Conclusion: town!Rhand.
421: Doesn't buy DV's neutral claim. This is wifom, but I don't think it would be grounds to bus. Conclusion: neutral!DV.
442: Pretty lengthy response to rod. As with Rhand, town!Rodemy.
449: This is an interesting post where zomg presents us with a false premise, i.e. his town flip. The conclusions he presents would therefore be things he wanted us to believe at that moment, before his flip. So he does some fearmongering with town tunneling on Rhand and Rodemy. Reinforce above conclusions. The "mayyybe" chain lynching cantrip is noteworthy but not conclusive.
The following interactions are almost exclusively with Rod and Rhand.
548: Spends a lot of effort on DV. Reinforce DV conclusion.
I'm not sure what to make of the multiple scum team thing. I mean scum shouldn't know that, should they? Plus it's a normal.
With all that let's look at his t/s list in 257.
Vaimes: is a huge red flag, "feels town right now." That just reeks of a hedged read. Plus he had no substantial interactions with Vaimes. Conclusion: scum!Vaimes.
Hunt: Hedged yet again but from the opposite direction. He wants to plant the idea that he could be scum, riling town suspicion. Conclusion: town!Hunt.
Cantrip: It sounds like he sees cantrip as a threat and doesn't want to set him off with a scum read. Conclusion: town!cantrip.
Shadow: null
Kitty: null
Red: This came across as making an excuse for his play. Possibly scum!Red.
Atog: null, but possibly coaching?
Ghosting: pretty weak reasons for a scum read. Probably town!Ghosting.
Rhand: yet again, a far reach. Interesting that he chose to bring Atog into it.
Still voting iso.
So scumteam is
Zomg
Scarbo
Iso
Who is your 4th?
Also inb4 vaimes claims jailer.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Classes start this week and I have some obligations that need to be dealt with. Iso Issues will have to wait a bit.
DV, look buddy. i'm on your side here. but i have information that gives me incredibly strong reason to believe you lied about being jailed. OK sure, it's still within the realm of possibility, but i highly doubt it. i still don't think your lie comes from a scum mindset.
now, what do we do with this? i don't know. you have two choices from my pov: retract your claim or stick to it. personally, i don't give a damn. if you retract, that could prove problematic for you. if you stick to your guns, that could prove problematic for me, but it's a risk i'm willing to take for... reasons. SO! i say we just take this limited information i've provided, carry on, and see who/if anyone gets jailed going forward.
Day starts. DV claims to have been Jailed. A lot of people doubt this. scarbo pops in a couple of times, doesn't really do much. Eventually scarbo votes me. Then he claims that he can prove there is no Jailer.
scarbo's claim there says "I should be voting DV, but I'm not." In fact, he hasn't even mentioned the Jailer until literally five minutes ago while the rest of us have been *****ing about it for what, a week? Over a week?
I have a hard time seeing these actions coming from a townie with information that directly contradicts the major goings-on of the thread.
This is a soft-defense; implying that DV could be town.
This is a garbage conclusion. "zomg and DV aren't aligned, therefore, DV is Neutral!"
This is a tangent, just wanted to comment: scumteams are smaller when there's more than one, so that town doesn't start off borderline overrun. So if you're scum, and you have a small team in a large game, stands to reason that there's another mafia team.
This makes no sense, based on your earlier actions.
There's no way you could have missed the Jailer discussion, even if you weren't caught up, because it makes up 90% of toDay's content. And catching DV in a lie meant that your vote should have been on him 100% of the time.