Serious question, can someone give me the math for a no lynch in a 12 person game like this, or at the very least can we get some opinions on the subject? My gut again tells me it's a bad idea, but I'd rather see the odds.
@rodemy: this early in the game I'm more inclined to believe Clara's question is non alignment indicative, it seems more like an icebreaker to an early game than anything else, though I do think you're probably right it could have been done differently.
unvote vote Kosa you can't have my tears.
Then, instead of doing the work himself, Shadow decides to put it out to the thread, therefore not having to "own" his feelings/reaction to the material. This is a classic scum move, because if it falls to pieces later they can say "I was only following what {they} said!"
A single successful lynch/kill moves lylo to d4
A second pushes to final 3 on d5
A third wins the game
No lynching doesn't seem to do a whole lot
D3 is still lylo if the D2 lynch and vig shot aren't good, just at 5-3 instead of 4-3
No lynching only gives us an extra day if the doc successfully stops a kill or the mafia RB stops the vig
Which is pretty long odds realistically...
I'm not really seeing the benefit
Tom's love of math skews this read a little, but generally speaking scum love to do these little tricks because it appears helpful to the town. So whenever crunching numbers comes up, or vote analysis, or other "helpful" tasks to appear genuine, scum jump to the table. Scum points for Tomsloger here. It's a thing, ask Seppel.
Obviously it's a reaction test, that's why I called you out on it. And also why I asked for the math.
@zomg: You're stance doesn't make any sense, you're voting me for what? Being really good at mislynching you? I said I was sorry.
@seppel: Why is Dota scum? That naked read doesn't really do much for us.
Here is the classic scum backpedal and "I knew it all along!" Also, you didn't really call me out. You tried to politely ask why. As if to NOT PUSH TOO HARD. Because you knew it was a bogus jump.
Serious question, can someone give me the math for a no lynch in a 12 person game like this, or at the very least can we get some opinions on the subject? My gut again tells me it's a bad idea, but I'd rather see the odds.
Then I realized that a 12 person game might change the math.
I never had a scumread on you. Just wanted to see how you'd respond to it. Was hoping you'd be too afraid of me catching you based on nothing to fight back.
I know you know what I look for in town!you, which means one of these days you will fool me, but in a vacuum you're probably not scum for that post.
I have to say though, the scumread of me borne from pure OMGUS is a little boring. And I don't reeeally think tom is scum; at least not for the math. He's just lame and underperforming. He did a gimmick + math combo as town in a past game, I'll have to double check.
Hunt, you're making bad assumptions here and it's irritating because either you're just confbiasing the crap out of this, or you're scum aiming for a mislynch on me.
Serious question, can someone give me the math for a no lynch in a 12 person game like this, or at the very least can we get some opinions on the subject? My gut again tells me it's a bad idea, but I'd rather see the odds.
@rodemy: this early in the game I'm more inclined to believe Clara's question is non alignment indicative, it seems more like an icebreaker to an early game than anything else, though I do think you're probably right it could have been done differently.
unvote vote Kosa you can't have my tears.
Then, instead of doing the work himself, Shadow decides to put it out to the thread, therefore not having to "own" his feelings/reaction to the material. This is a classic scum move, because if it falls to pieces later they can say "I was only following what {they} said!"
First off, I did put my gut feeling there, very much my own feelings on the subject, the only reason I even brought it up was because an even numbered setup might actually change the odds. Second, what would you have thought if I had done the math myself right off the bat?
A single successful lynch/kill moves lylo to d4
A second pushes to final 3 on d5
A third wins the game
No lynching doesn't seem to do a whole lot
D3 is still lylo if the D2 lynch and vig shot aren't good, just at 5-3 instead of 4-3
No lynching only gives us an extra day if the doc successfully stops a kill or the mafia RB stops the vig
Which is pretty long odds realistically...
I'm not really seeing the benefit
Tom's love of math skews this read a little, but generally speaking scum love to do these little tricks because it appears helpful to the town. So whenever crunching numbers comes up, or vote analysis, or other "helpful" tasks to appear genuine, scum jump to the table. Scum points for Tomsloger here. It's a thing, ask Seppel.
Oh, you would have scum read me anyway, so your "reaction test" is set up so that no matter what you can call someone scum from it.
Vote Shadowlancerx Im done with this RVS bull*****. the payback express is leaving the station... All aboard!
I probably deserve to be mislynched by you in some fantastic fashion, but for both our sakes let's not do that.
@Tom: thanks for doing the math.
@Hunt: since no lynch is not optimal here, what say you?
Then comes the question as to "why"... Which we will see shortly, apparently he already "knows." Slight buddying points for the "thank you" comment...
He's still ignoring a very important piece to the puzzle at this point.
Why should I deserve to be mislynched by Zomg? Because I successfully lead a mislynch on him in 2 successive games that cost town the game in one and nearly again in the second. OTG2 was lost because of me leading a bad lynch on Zomg.
Thanking tom was because Shock said "sure I'll do it" then didn't.
Obviously it's a reaction test, that's why I called you out on it. And also why I asked for the math.
@zomg: You're stance doesn't make any sense, you're voting me for what? Being really good at mislynching you? I said I was sorry.
@seppel: Why is Dota scum? That naked read doesn't really do much for us.
Here is the classic scum backpedal and "I knew it all along!" Also, you didn't really call me out. You tried to politely ask why. As if to NOT PUSH TOO HARD. Because you knew it was a bogus jump.
Going a little bit meta here but GJ is known for using no lynch as a reaction test. Every game I skimmed that he was in that's how he lead. Everyone knows this, so I called you him instead of anything else because it was fun, and it is very difficult to say I meant anything except "I know what you're up to."
And if one of them is the Roleblocker, lol gg scumteam.
Here comes likely third member of team scum. Chainsawing because he's upset I voted his buddy. No reasoning. Just "he's scum"
Or because your case is crap and he sees that. Also, and yes, I know this is WIFOM, do you really think scum!Vaimes with a mentor is going to chainsaw a scum!shadow openly?
Serious question, can someone give me the math for a no lynch in a 12 person game like this, or at the very least can we get some opinions on the subject? My gut again tells me it's a bad idea, but I'd rather see the odds.
Then I realized that a 12 person game might change the math.
@Shadowlancerx: Using my mentor chat, and having a talk with my mentor about how he caught me as scum in another game.
Other than that OoG stuff catching my interest.
...And I'll add, I will be damn and pleasantly surprised if I land on the good side of a winning town circle forming!
Why are you having a chat about be caught as scum if you are town?
Why is this even here?
"Let's line up another mislynch when my obvious scum team flips town"
-Huntzilla 2016
Anyway,
Scum team = Shadow, Vaimes, Tomsloger...
GG let's go home.
No, not likely, eh maybe
PEDIT: Vaimes I don't know your meta with hunt, but talk to me about why you call someone obvious scum then get to back peddle into "just reaction testing", when he turns on you.
Also, he has more evidence on shadow being scum than shadow has on him being scum... or anyone at that..
What if they are both town and we are being really dumb?
But... like... what?
He used my argument against shadow.. he saw it like i saw it SHADOW WHY DID YOU DECIEVE ME WHAT THE ****.
Also you be attackin ma boyfrand. I don't like that. I do not think math equals scum. I actually learned from it.
IDK. I see a lot of effort put forth in his post. A few things i disagree with like vaimes being scum. I like vaimes caution with kosa.
And his argument for tom being scum seems farfetched and stretchy.
AND CLARA STILL HAS NOT REPLIED. >:[
Quick question before i move my vote and we start this thing.
@HUNTZILLA [PLEASE ANSWER ASAP]
Explain how it was a reaction test. What reaction would have been town mindset and how was shadows reaction a scum mindset?
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So.. um.. my idea that they are both town could be plausible? Idfk
Question stands for hunt. I like shadows comment on how hunt would have scumread him anyway WHICH IS NOW A OTHER REASON WHY I WANT HUNT TO EXPLAIN A TOWN REACTION TO HIS TEST.
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And I don't reeeally think tom is scum; at least not for the math. He's just lame and underperforming. He did a gimmick + math combo as town in a past game, I'll have to double check.
huntz was in the game where i roleplayed a mafia computer
he was the sk and i caught him
i do not believe he is genuinely scumreading me for doing math
vote huntz
also i will (prolly) be less lame after hp. 16000 posts.
Also, he has more evidence on shadow being scum than shadow has on him being scum... or anyone at that..
What if they are both town and we are being really dumb?
But... like... what?
He used my argument against shadow.. he saw it like i saw it SHADOW WHY DID YOU DECIEVE ME WHAT THE ****.
Also you be attackin ma boyfrand. I don't like that. I do not think math equals scum. I actually learned from it.
IDK. I see a lot of effort put forth in his post. A few things i disagree with like vaimes being scum. I like vaimes caution with kosa.
And his argument for tom being scum seems farfetched and stretchy.
AND CLARA STILL HAS NOT REPLIED. >:[
Quick question before i move my vote and we start this thing.
@HUNTZILLA [PLEASE ANSWER ASAP]
Explain how it was a reaction test. What reaction would have been town mindset and how was shadows reaction a scum mindset?
It's not a "scum both ways" situation.
If you had proposed the question, and did the work to answer it yourself, that would be town. It shows a willingness to work to solve the game and a natural curiousity. If Shadow had done both... clearly town.
Tom isn't scum just for making a list/doing the math. It's scummy because you swoop in and save the day without actually solving the game in any way or hunting scum.
Shadows was so um for the reasons I said and this one other important piece that he still hasn't discussed even in his wall...
It was clearly RVS.
A townie reaction to the test also involves recognizing that I was never ever serious about no lynching. It says RVS in the post, but scum don't see that. They see an easy reason to push against something stupid. Town read it and think, huh, that's a dumb RVS vote because that's what sticks out to them. Not just an easy thing to push at the start of game.
Shadow took the easy way out, didn't recognize RVS even though "he knew what I was doing."
Hunt, you're making bad assumptions here and it's irritating because either you're just confbiasing the crap out of this, or you're scum aiming for a mislynch on me.
Serious question, can someone give me the math for a no lynch in a 12 person game like this, or at the very least can we get some opinions on the subject? My gut again tells me it's a bad idea, but I'd rather see the odds.
@rodemy: this early in the game I'm more inclined to believe Clara's question is non alignment indicative, it seems more like an icebreaker to an early game than anything else, though I do think you're probably right it could have been done differently.
unvote vote Kosa you can't have my tears.
Then, instead of doing the work himself, Shadow decides to put it out to the thread, therefore not having to "own" his feelings/reaction to the material. This is a classic scum move, because if it falls to pieces later they can say "I was only following what {they} said!"
First off, I did put my gut feeling there, very much my own feelings on the subject, the only reason I even brought it up was because an even numbered setup might actually change the odds. Second, what would you have thought if I had done the math myself right off the bat?
A single successful lynch/kill moves lylo to d4
A second pushes to final 3 on d5
A third wins the game
No lynching doesn't seem to do a whole lot
D3 is still lylo if the D2 lynch and vig shot aren't good, just at 5-3 instead of 4-3
No lynching only gives us an extra day if the doc successfully stops a kill or the mafia RB stops the vig
Which is pretty long odds realistically...
I'm not really seeing the benefit
Tom's love of math skews this read a little, but generally speaking scum love to do these little tricks because it appears helpful to the town. So whenever crunching numbers comes up, or vote analysis, or other "helpful" tasks to appear genuine, scum jump to the table. Scum points for Tomsloger here. It's a thing, ask Seppel.
Oh, you would have scum read me anyway, so your "reaction test" is set up so that no matter what you can call someone scum from it.
Vote Shadowlancerx Im done with this RVS bull*****. the payback express is leaving the station... All aboard!
I probably deserve to be mislynched by you in some fantastic fashion, but for both our sakes let's not do that.
@Tom: thanks for doing the math.
@Hunt: since no lynch is not optimal here, what say you?
Then comes the question as to "why"... Which we will see shortly, apparently he already "knows." Slight buddying points for the "thank you" comment...
He's still ignoring a very important piece to the puzzle at this point.
Why should I deserve to be mislynched by Zomg? Because I successfully lead a mislynch on him in 2 successive games that cost town the game in one and nearly again in the second. OTG2 was lost because of me leading a bad lynch on Zomg.
Thanking tom was because Shock said "sure I'll do it" then didn't.
Obviously it's a reaction test, that's why I called you out on it. And also why I asked for the math.
@zomg: You're stance doesn't make any sense, you're voting me for what? Being really good at mislynching you? I said I was sorry.
@seppel: Why is Dota scum? That naked read doesn't really do much for us.
Here is the classic scum backpedal and "I knew it all along!" Also, you didn't really call me out. You tried to politely ask why. As if to NOT PUSH TOO HARD. Because you knew it was a bogus jump.
Going a little bit meta here but GJ is known for using no lynch as a reaction test. Every game I skimmed that he was in that's how he lead. Everyone knows this, so I called you him instead of anything else because it was fun, and it is very difficult to say I meant anything except "I know what you're up to."
And if one of them is the Roleblocker, lol gg scumteam.
Here comes likely third member of team scum. Chainsawing because he's upset I voted his buddy. No reasoning. Just "he's scum"
Or because your case is crap and he sees that. Also, and yes, I know this is WIFOM, do you really think scum!Vaimes with a mentor is going to chainsaw a scum!shadow openly?
Serious question, can someone give me the math for a no lynch in a 12 person game like this, or at the very least can we get some opinions on the subject? My gut again tells me it's a bad idea, but I'd rather see the odds.
Then I realized that a 12 person game might change the math.
@Shadowlancerx: Using my mentor chat, and having a talk with my mentor about how he caught me as scum in another game.
Other than that OoG stuff catching my interest.
...And I'll add, I will be damn and pleasantly surprised if I land on the good side of a winning town circle forming!
Why are you having a chat about be caught as scum if you are town?
Why is this even here?
"Let's line up another mislynch when my obvious scum team flips town"
-Huntzilla 2016
Anyway,
Scum team = Shadow, Vaimes, Tomsloger...
GG let's go home.
No, not likely, eh maybe
PEDIT: Vaimes I don't know your meta with hunt, but talk to me about why you call someone obvious scum then get to back peddle into "just reaction testing", when he turns on you.
Yeah yeah... bush blah... you're still scum.
Vaimes is easily the weakest scum read I have, because chainsawing is totally him, but still plus scum points.
And I don't reeeally think tom is scum; at least not for the math. He's just lame and underperforming. He did a gimmick + math combo as town in a past game, I'll have to double check.
huntz was in the game where i roleplayed a mafia computer
he was the sk and i caught him
i do not believe he is genuinely scumreading me for doing math
vote huntz
also i will (prolly) be less lame after hp. 16000 posts.
Think what you want buddy. Still scummy.
Also there is no omgus on my end... yet it is strong with you and shadow for sure.
Omgus implies no reasons. To which I say.... haha, die scum
Hunt, no. That makes no sense. Maybe i just don't understand your logic.
Maybe you are scum trying to confuse the ***** outta me.
"He didn't understand my intentions, so he must be scum"
From what i can recall without actually looking back, a few people called you scuum.
So are they scum for thinking you are scum for proposing a no lynch? You are ignoring other people and going straight for shadow because he called you out.
You emphesising that only scum can do this and scum only do that seems... narrow minded. If your logic is correct, then the entire scum team would have done what shadow did.
I didn't know you weren't being serious about that, does that make me scum?
I think your "reaction test" is a sham.
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@hunt: not once did I ever say "Hunts idea is bad, let's lynch him!" I never even pushed you, just saw your RVS vote and pointed it out. Stop trying to put intent where it just isn't.
Additionally, I asked someone else to do the math cause I'm just darn lazy, and having someone else do it still furthers the discussion, whereas not saying or doing anything about it is silly.
Hunt, no. That makes no sense. Maybe i just don't understand your logic.
Maybe you are scum trying to confuse the ***** outta me.
"He didn't understand my intentions, so he must be scum"
From what i can recall without actually looking back, a few people called you scuum.
So are they scum for thinking you are scum for proposing a no lynch? You are ignoring other people and going straight for shadow because he called you out.
You emphesising that only scum can do this and scum only do that seems... narrow minded. If your logic is correct, then the entire scum team would have done what shadow did.
I didn't know you weren't being serious about that, does that make me scum?
I think your "reaction test" is a sham.
it doesn't get much clearer than that but I'll try for ya Rodemy.
Scum need reasons to push against people in the early game. By me giving an easy reason phrased in a particular way, I was baiting scum. Scum Shadow took the bait and did the scum thing with it.
It's not scummy to think people that want no lynches MAY be scum. It's scummy to not read the game state and into intentions. Town need to figure out where others are coming from. Scum just want a "good reason" to push someone.
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@hunt: not once did I ever say "Hunts idea is bad, let's lynch him!" I never even pushed you, just saw your RVS vote and pointed it out. Stop trying to put intent where it just isn't.
Additionally, I asked someone else to do the math cause I'm just darn lazy, and having someone else do it still furthers the discussion, whereas not saying or doing anything about it is silly.
you don't need to say it. There is plenty of intent behind your actions.
Hunt, Stop putting intent where there isn't any!
I didn't even have you on my radar, and with how hard you're tunneling me in spite of several people thinking your wrong I still don't. Like this is ridiculous, seriously. You're confbiasing and pushing over nothing. Leave me alone, I'm not scum!
Hey shadow
Why don't you have huntz on your radar?
I thought he could be scum at the start of his push on me, but this tunneling just doesn't even make sense coming from scum. I don't like it, it's wasting time, but it isn't winning him any friends, it's just stupid.
Apparently everything I say is going to be misunderstood. And I'm not allowed to change my mind.
I said Hunt could be scum, but also said originally that I could see this as a tunneling town. Now that I'm much for confident that's the case I'm suddenly backtracking? Rodemy, I came to the same exact conclusion you did, and you flip script? Seriously?
I'm so irritated right now, is there anyone in this thread not taking crazy pills that actually can read past the constant assault and see what I'm trying to say?
@Shadow
Your slip aside, the reason I brought up the post from Shock about "talking about how he was caught as scum" is relevant because why else would you need to know that RIGHT NOW unless you are scum? If you are playing a town game, not getting caught as scum has no bearing on your play right now. If you are scum, that conversation has a lot more weight to it and needs to be happening right now.
It doesn't help YOUR cause when you are chainsawing through points/questions that don't pertain to you. I get why you were asking, but let it alone next time until Shock answers.
Now his answer is skewed. Though I am sure his mentor would have coached him through that one.
Honestly, you latched on to that "no lynch" bit pretty fast. I AGREE with hunt, you didn't need that math at all. In fact, you could have easily done it yourself.
No, you posted for someone else to do it as to seem town.
Reading over it again, i am pretty confident in this.
You also seem to be spiraling downward.
Lets lynch him, snd can we focus on clara tomorrow? Not a fan of how they up and vanished AND I WANT MY QUESTION ANSWERED DAMNIT.
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@Vaimes: If I'd just said, I agree with Rodemy, and dropped a vote, would you still be scum reading me? Your reasoning seems a bit thin - "He explained why he agrees, HE MUST BE SCUM!"
@Kosa: How do you go from defending me in #80 to voting me in #87 with no explanation other than you're sheeping Vaimes. Looking for an easy wagon to join?
Unvote, Vote: Kosa
It has nothing to do with what you meant and everything to do with how you said it. The word and sentence structure is wholly unnatural. There's no discernible thought process.
I must admit, I don't understand what you mean by this. I gave a basic breakdown of why I agree with Rodemy, and asked for more from Clara. How is any of that unnatural?
Pretty much what Tom said, but to expand on it. You didn't ask the mod if Hunt is OK, you asked if he quit for game related reasons, and reading through Hunt's posts, especially the Hunt/Shadow exchange, there's nothing that would warrant a rage quit. Looks like you're looking for reasons to discredit Hunt/push Mind.
Vote: Zomgarcwind
If either Zomg or Shadow flip scum I'm sitting on the other until they go down too.
Bork bork
Hunt is on my naughty list.
Clara too.
i think they are both mafia, individually and together specifically
rodemy and AG are my top town
not sure about everyone else
my most recently completed game saw me make 589 posts in 7 irl days.
i cannot do that again
i will be low effort/lurky.
until its time
sheep me for a free win.
no seriously though it was the 2+2=4 comment
call it a soul read
Other than that OoG stuff catching my interest.
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Feels very quick and possibly scum trying to get a quick mislynch in.
I actually like his vote on clara
He said that he wanted them to clairfy their position.
Maybe it's the fact he is agreeing with me?
I see no wrong in that, obviously ;p
Sorry guys, can't get behind it just yet.
If we agree that hunt is scum, why aren't more people voting him?
Lemme start. unvote vote huntzilla
Clara is still on my *****list. But since they aren't replying, and hunt seems to be a good person to start with, lets go with this.
All aboard?
Then, instead of doing the work himself, Shadow decides to put it out to the thread, therefore not having to "own" his feelings/reaction to the material. This is a classic scum move, because if it falls to pieces later they can say "I was only following what {they} said!"
Tom's love of math skews this read a little, but generally speaking scum love to do these little tricks because it appears helpful to the town. So whenever crunching numbers comes up, or vote analysis, or other "helpful" tasks to appear genuine, scum jump to the table. Scum points for Tomsloger here. It's a thing, ask Seppel. Then comes the question as to "why"... Which we will see shortly, apparently he already "knows." Slight buddying points for the "thank you" comment...
He's still ignoring a very important piece to the puzzle at this point. Oh hey. Exactly my point. Here is the classic scum backpedal and "I knew it all along!" Also, you didn't really call me out. You tried to politely ask why. As if to NOT PUSH TOO HARD. Because you knew it was a bogus jump. Here comes likely third member of team scum. Chainsawing because he's upset I voted his buddy. No reasoning. Just "he's scum" Oh wait? You think calling me GJ is "calling me out?" Holy *****... ++++++ scum points Why Shadow over Dota, Chatty Cathy? Come on Rodemy, don't be so damn gullible. Sorry Vaimes for catching your team...
Why are you having a chat about be caught as scum if you are town?
Anyway,
Scum team = Shadow, Vaimes, Tomsloger...
GG let's go home.
Unvote, vote Shadow
This vote isn't likely changing unless someone can possibly top Shadow's blunders.
Because it would feel very quick and possibly scum trying to get a quick mislynch in.
I think there were only 2 votes on DoTA.
I never had a scumread on you. Just wanted to see how you'd respond to it. Was hoping you'd be too afraid of me catching you based on nothing to fight back.
I know you know what I look for in town!you, which means one of these days you will fool me, but in a vacuum you're probably not scum for that post.
I have to say though, the scumread of me borne from pure OMGUS is a little boring. And I don't reeeally think tom is scum; at least not for the math. He's just lame and underperforming. He did a gimmick + math combo as town in a past game, I'll have to double check.
First off, I did put my gut feeling there, very much my own feelings on the subject, the only reason I even brought it up was because an even numbered setup might actually change the odds. Second, what would you have thought if I had done the math myself right off the bat?
Oh, you would have scum read me anyway, so your "reaction test" is set up so that no matter what you can call someone scum from it.
Why should I deserve to be mislynched by Zomg? Because I successfully lead a mislynch on him in 2 successive games that cost town the game in one and nearly again in the second. OTG2 was lost because of me leading a bad lynch on Zomg.
Thanking tom was because Shock said "sure I'll do it" then didn't.
Going a little bit meta here but GJ is known for using no lynch as a reaction test. Every game I skimmed that he was in that's how he lead. Everyone knows this, so I called you him instead of anything else because it was fun, and it is very difficult to say I meant anything except "I know what you're up to."
Or because your case is crap and he sees that. Also, and yes, I know this is WIFOM, do you really think scum!Vaimes with a mentor is going to chainsaw a scum!shadow openly?
Like I said above, yes, calling you GJ is telling you that I know exactly what you're doing.
This is pure confbias, there are any number of reasons, including the potential Tom/Dota scum pair.
This is low, you're trying to make Rodemy feel dumb for not agreeing with you, which is a horrible way to argue your point.
This is not even contributing to your argument, it's just a shot at Vaimes cause you don't like his stance on you.
Why is this even here?
"Let's line up another mislynch when my obvious scum team flips town"
-Huntzilla 2016
No, not likely, eh maybe
PEDIT: Vaimes I don't know your meta with hunt, but talk to me about why you call someone obvious scum then get to back peddle into "just reaction testing", when he turns on you.
Hunt just wall of deathed me.
Also, he has more evidence on shadow being scum than shadow has on him being scum... or anyone at that..
What if they are both town and we are being really dumb?
But... like... what?
He used my argument against shadow.. he saw it like i saw it SHADOW WHY DID YOU DECIEVE ME WHAT THE ****.
Also you be attackin ma boyfrand. I don't like that. I do not think math equals scum. I actually learned from it.
IDK. I see a lot of effort put forth in his post. A few things i disagree with like vaimes being scum. I like vaimes caution with kosa.
And his argument for tom being scum seems farfetched and stretchy.
AND CLARA STILL HAS NOT REPLIED. >:[
Quick question before i move my vote and we start this thing.
@HUNTZILLA [PLEASE ANSWER ASAP]
Explain how it was a reaction test. What reaction would have been town mindset and how was shadows reaction a scum mindset?
So.. um.. my idea that they are both town could be plausible? Idfk
Question stands for hunt. I like shadows comment on how hunt would have scumread him anyway WHICH IS NOW A OTHER REASON WHY I WANT HUNT TO EXPLAIN A TOWN REACTION TO HIS TEST.
Off to work. Try not to kill anyone while i am gone. I feel like i am gonna come back to 3 more pages tonight. -_-
he was the sk and i caught him
i do not believe he is genuinely scumreading me for doing math
vote huntz
also i will (prolly) be less lame after hp. 16000 posts.
It's not a "scum both ways" situation.
If you had proposed the question, and did the work to answer it yourself, that would be town. It shows a willingness to work to solve the game and a natural curiousity. If Shadow had done both... clearly town.
Tom isn't scum just for making a list/doing the math. It's scummy because you swoop in and save the day without actually solving the game in any way or hunting scum.
Shadows was so um for the reasons I said and this one other important piece that he still hasn't discussed even in his wall...
It was clearly RVS.
A townie reaction to the test also involves recognizing that I was never ever serious about no lynching. It says RVS in the post, but scum don't see that. They see an easy reason to push against something stupid. Town read it and think, huh, that's a dumb RVS vote because that's what sticks out to them. Not just an easy thing to push at the start of game.
Shadow took the easy way out, didn't recognize RVS even though "he knew what I was doing."
Lynch it with fire.
Vaimes is easily the weakest scum read I have, because chainsawing is totally him, but still plus scum points.
Think what you want buddy. Still scummy.
Also there is no omgus on my end... yet it is strong with you and shadow for sure.
Omgus implies no reasons. To which I say.... haha, die scum
Maybe you are scum trying to confuse the ***** outta me.
"He didn't understand my intentions, so he must be scum"
From what i can recall without actually looking back, a few people called you scuum.
So are they scum for thinking you are scum for proposing a no lynch? You are ignoring other people and going straight for shadow because he called you out.
You emphesising that only scum can do this and scum only do that seems... narrow minded. If your logic is correct, then the entire scum team would have done what shadow did.
I didn't know you weren't being serious about that, does that make me scum?
I think your "reaction test" is a sham.
@hunt: not once did I ever say "Hunts idea is bad, let's lynch him!" I never even pushed you, just saw your RVS vote and pointed it out. Stop trying to put intent where it just isn't.
Additionally, I asked someone else to do the math cause I'm just darn lazy, and having someone else do it still furthers the discussion, whereas not saying or doing anything about it is silly.
Scum need reasons to push against people in the early game. By me giving an easy reason phrased in a particular way, I was baiting scum. Scum Shadow took the bait and did the scum thing with it.
It's not scummy to think people that want no lynches MAY be scum. It's scummy to not read the game state and into intentions. Town need to figure out where others are coming from. Scum just want a "good reason" to push someone.
Make more sense yet?
I didn't even have you on my radar, and with how hard you're tunneling me in spite of several people thinking your wrong I still don't. Like this is ridiculous, seriously. You're confbiasing and pushing over nothing. Leave me alone, I'm not scum!
Why don't you have huntz on your radar?
I thought he could be scum at the start of his push on me, but this tunneling just doesn't even make sense coming from scum. I don't like it, it's wasting time, but it isn't winning him any friends, it's just stupid.
DUH.
****.
unvote vote shadow
Im gonna have to side with hunt on this.
Shadows backtrack on hunt is a dead ****in give away too.
And i still wanna clarify that i called him out when he said he knew it was a reaction test.
Me.
Rodemy.
The best.
Go me.
Yeah.
Me.
Also, shadow is hardcore choking right now.
I think we got one!
Yay!
I said Hunt could be scum, but also said originally that I could see this as a tunneling town. Now that I'm much for confident that's the case I'm suddenly backtracking? Rodemy, I came to the same exact conclusion you did, and you flip script? Seriously?
I'm so irritated right now, is there anyone in this thread not taking crazy pills that actually can read past the constant assault and see what I'm trying to say?
@Shadow
Your slip aside, the reason I brought up the post from Shock about "talking about how he was caught as scum" is relevant because why else would you need to know that RIGHT NOW unless you are scum? If you are playing a town game, not getting caught as scum has no bearing on your play right now. If you are scum, that conversation has a lot more weight to it and needs to be happening right now.
It doesn't help YOUR cause when you are chainsawing through points/questions that don't pertain to you. I get why you were asking, but let it alone next time until Shock answers.
Now his answer is skewed. Though I am sure his mentor would have coached him through that one.
No, you posted for someone else to do it as to seem town.
Reading over it again, i am pretty confident in this.
You also seem to be spiraling downward.
Lets lynch him, snd can we focus on clara tomorrow? Not a fan of how they up and vanished AND I WANT MY QUESTION ANSWERED DAMNIT.
Deadline is set for 28 November at 0000 GMT -6
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Um...
vote shadow
Gonna read up over the weekend and see what there is to see.
DoTA, recently you've been defending yourself and not taking much of an initiative to do anything else. Talk about what you think of Hunt vs. shadow.
Rodemy, Seppel is right, DoTA had very few votes. Do you think DoTA is town? If so, who are the scum trying to mislynch him?
theres a reason most sites have a "dont discuss replacements" rule
Vote: Zomgarcwind
If either Zomg or Shadow flip scum I'm sitting on the other until they go down too.
Idk, i feel like he hadn't done much to spark my interest as a scum. Nothing stuck out.
And then suddenly 5 people say he could be scum, that sounds like something. And on page 3.
Thats almost half the game saying dota is scum
I found it to be super quick and unsettleing. Last time i saw that happen *points to self in off the grid* it wasn't condusive to town.
I also like DoTA.
So, as for scum, **** if i know.
Are we done thinking shadow is scum? I don't think that should be done.
shadowlancerx - Rodemy
zomgarcrwind - DotArchon
With 12 alive the threshold is 7 votes.
You have until 0000 on November 28th GMT -6 to reach a majority or a No Lynch will occur.
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