It's because you are jumping around with your attacks today.
You are calling Jack scum now "for pushing _____" ... let's go with Zomg, WHO YOU WERE PUSHING TODAY BEFORE THE FLIP.
This stuff is so bad.
I'm so mad right now.
I am jumping around I've said that I'm not certain who the scum team is. But because I don't trust a lot of people I'm sending a lot out to see what others actually think.
If I was scum I would have come into the day with a list of Scarbo Vaimes and kept it at that and gone along with everyone. Like give me some credit man I know how to play this game and how to lurk.
I am calling Jack scum FOR NEVER VOTING ANYONE WE CURRENTLY SUSPECT. He literally voted and pressured 3 players all of whom were low hanging fruit.
Vaimes has cleared D_V, presumably through use of Kosa's lie detector.
This means that if Vaimes is town, D_V cannot be scum (well, he could be if town!vaimes is lying but then he's throwing the game so....)
If you think D_V is scum, Vaimes is scum with him. If you lynch D_V and he flips town, you learn nothing about Vaimes' alignment. If you lynch Vaimes and he flips town, you know D_V is town, too.
So... why D_V before Vaimes?
To which I already answered DVs scummy behavior today. Dude is flailing, misrepping what I've said and you too, and has been refusing to move his vote off of someone he wouldn't give an actual reason for voting.
Are you in the same game as the rest of us? Unvote Vote Hunt
Vaimes has cleared D_V, presumably through use of Kosa's lie detector.
This means that if Vaimes is town, D_V cannot be scum (well, he could be if town!vaimes is lying but then he's throwing the game so....)
If you think D_V is scum, Vaimes is scum with him. If you lynch D_V and he flips town, you learn nothing about Vaimes' alignment. If you lynch Vaimes and he flips town, you know D_V is town, too.
So... why D_V before Vaimes?
To which I already answered DVs scummy behavior today. Dude is flailing, misrepping what I've said and you too, and has been refusing to move his vote off of someone he wouldn't give an actual reason for voting.
If it is him, then it must be Vaimes too, right? I guess I'm wondering if it matters which one first, if you think it's both.
It's because you are jumping around with your attacks today.
You are calling Jack scum now "for pushing _____" ... let's go with Zomg, WHO YOU WERE PUSHING TODAY BEFORE THE FLIP.
This stuff is so bad.
I'm so mad right now.
I am jumping around I've said that I'm not certain who the scum team is. But because I don't trust a lot of people I'm sending a lot out to see what others actually think.
If I was scum I would have come into the day with a list of Scarbo Vaimes and kept it at that and gone along with everyone. Like give me some credit man I know how to play this game and how to lurk.
I am calling Jack scum FOR NEVER VOTING ANYONE WE CURRENTLY SUSPECT. He literally voted and pressured 3 players all of whom were low hanging fruit.
Hey we have a town D_V
Seppel could we please get a content post from you asap? We really appreciate the late replacement but Jack was holding us up for the day and we need your input before we move on.
1) How is that not content? I already towncleared someone.
Seppel, I know your thing is being this big pile of hard to read. But this isn't day 1 where we need "I'm a doc, trust me, oh and D_V is town, kthxbai". This is lylo, so please, if you're town, make it clear to the rest of us. I don't expect a 1000 line post detailing the gamestate, but a t/s list would be great, and I'd personally be interested in a few topics of interest:
1) Me and Silver and the Neighbor claim
2) Vaimes and D_V and the clear
3) Scarbo and D_V interactions for yesterday and today
4) D_V VS Hunt today
I know, I know, D_V is town in your opinion. But he's the thing, I'm not sure, I don't see how you could be. So do a favor for somebody who isn't 100% sure YOU'RE what you say you are, and convince me.
Also, Zomg, please do not vote Seppel/Jack if you have any suspicions of Hunt at all. I'd guess you were on the same page completely, based on your "anyone who's voting is scummy" post a little bit ago. The one D_V didn't read, acknowledge, or follow.
My T/S list isn't going to change much based on seppel's catch up. Unless he ******* clears Vaimes and Scarbo. This is in no particualr order:
Town
Mindreaver
Silver
Zomg
Proph
Ghosting
Jack/Seppel
Hunt
D_V
Scarbo
Vaimes
I'm willing to go scarbo or vaimes right this second. I really was leaning D_V as the third, and based on his play today, I could see it as well. Hunt or Seppel/jack have both been questionable today. BUT, my top 3 scum reads pushed Jack out of the gate, which I agree with Silver is suspect. Hunt as a double voter today is also unlikely to be scum with most of the game, since he could have hammered with a partner long ago. However, he's acting a little fishy there.
So long story short, I don't like D_V today, and he's still near the top. But I'm trying to keep an open mind and take a hard look at Seppel/Jack and Hunt, just to make sure I'm not wrong on that third person.
And just something I shared with Silver a while ago and maybe it's a good idea to put it in the larger thread.
Can we please stop playing "I'm being slightly scummy for a reason, it's a trap" games? The time for that ***** is over. The time for being the towniest you can be, for not giving scum ammunition for mislynches, is now. Don't dodge questions, answer them. Don't get all pissy if we disagree, convince me. I'm not going to change my mind on, say scarbo, because when I offer my perspective he makes a head banging against the wall emoticon. That's not advancing the game, that's bull*****. So just stop doing it. I have like 5 suspects and you are ALL doing scummy ******* things.
If I lose to a lurking Vaimes or a silent Ghosting/Proph, because some townie wanted to be an enigma, I'm going to lose my mind.
Role Name: Nanase Kuga
Role Alignment: Neutral Vanillafier
Regular Ability/Time and Place used: I can target a player at Night and vanillaize them, making them lose all of their abilities except for factional/unlockable abilities. I win when no one in the game has abilities aside from factional/unlockable abilities. I tried to target Shockwave but I was redirected to DV due to DV's ability on Night 1. I tried to target NewName last Night but I got redirected to scarbo on N2.
Latent Ability/Time and Place Used: I can choose to make myself untargetable (including kills) for the Night. Have not used.
And I know Mindreaver wasn't faking his thoughts at all and there is no way that Scum mindreaver says that.
So 100% on Mind being Town. 100% on Silver town. 100% on Zomg town. I know I'm town and now I'm like 80% certain Hunt is town.
well, we now lose if you and hunt are both town. Grats
Ghosting vote me It helps you win and if a scum is lying you get another shot at them.
I know Mind has 2 town in his scum list so I'm out. I've tried, but when nobody will listen what's the point.
If you know he does, you must be scum. If you're not scum, you're literally throwing the game because you disagree with us. Like. You were literally just saying you thought Vaimes could be scum. Now you think he's so goddamn townie you'll throw the game by self-voting in lylo?
Also, I'm about 98% sure Proph meant by scarbo, not to him, because Scarbo said he made Proph vanillaize GJ on N2.
well, we now lose if you and hunt are both town. Grats
Ghosting vote me It helps you win and if a scum is lying you get another shot at them.
I know Mind has 2 town in his scum list so I'm out. I've tried, but when nobody will listen what's the point.
If you know he does, you must be scum. If you're not scum, you're literally throwing the game because you disagree with us. Like. You were literally just saying you thought Vaimes could be scum. Now you think he's so goddamn townie you'll throw the game by self-voting in lylo?
Also, I'm about 98% sure Proph meant by scarbo, not to him, because Scarbo said he made Proph vanillaize GJ on N2.
FTR I had alerts coming to me for every post in the thread so I wasn't dying because of my own vote.
Yeah I guess I could see that? I'd like proph to confirm that though. If that's the case. Pick your 100% mafia lynch then of
Jack/Seppel
Scarbo
Vaimes
Scarbo. I've been voting him since start of day, and I'm still convinced it's 100% him.
I'd probably be willing to lynch Vaimes or Huntz if that's what we decide we want to do, but I'm pretty sure on Scarbo and not as sure on them.
Like, I could see Huntz/Vaimes with no fourth, I suppose.
But I don't think that's likely, mostly because I don't think Tracker/Double Voter/Roleblocker is enough power. I think there's a four-man team whether Huntz is on it or not. Maybe I'm not evaluating the double vote highly enough, though.
A couple people have asked him for lists and stuff so I'm waiting for that.
But really, when my top two scum reads come into the thread wanting to lynch someone that would be trivially easy to frame, I get suspicious. Besides, his claim actually helps us regardless of whether he's lying or not. If he's lying scum, the scum team can't kill zomg toNight or else we'll lynch him toMorrow. That means they basically have to shoot me and leave the mod confirmed townie alive.
It's Mind's ability, so I'm not going to reveal it unless he's in imminent danger of being lynched.
This makes me feel like Silver and Mindreaver are town.
I don't know what the ability is, but I've seen posts like this before among townies and very rarely among scum. Silver gets maybe 2 bonus points for saying it.
Also, I'm going to be incredibly lazy and ask if as many people as possible would let me know if they're locked/unlocked, it would really help. It seems easier than me going through the entire thread trying to find out since you guys already know what you are. Worst case scenario I have to, but it'd be nice.
I'm currently thinking it's just D_V who needs to be, but I may be wrong and definitely want to confirm that.
Also, I'm going to be incredibly lazy and ask if as many people as possible would let me know if they're locked/unlocked, it would really help. It seems easier than me going through the entire thread trying to find out since you guys already know what you are. Worst case scenario I have to, but it'd be nice.
I'm currently thinking it's just D_V who needs to be, but I may be wrong and definitely want to confirm that.
I'm pretty certain a scum is lying about it. They might not be though so thats me and probabally one other person.
@Seppel:
Ghosting claimed neutral. Neither he nor Proph are mod confirmed but pretty much everyone agrees it's likely. Both of their roles have been confirmed by multiple players, though. You should probably read the mass claim.
@Ghosting:
I'm pretty sure you're right, just D_V.
Also, Seppel replaced in for Jack.
I was going to post earlier today, but MTGS is literally unusable on my school's computers.
I read through scarbo's accusations several times and I'm not entirely sure I even understand what he's trying to say w/r/t my comment on Hunt. Like...say it again, but with different words. Otherwise, don't care.
I find it hard to believe that the Jackrito slot is a very, very easily confirmable role that's been sitting around and is now asking to live for just one more Night when we're potentially in LyLo. It wholly depends on whether the mods made Hunt a full-on scum Double Voter. 'Cause lol early scum victory if Hunt retains his Double Vote toMorrow AND Ghosting leaves the game, which he looks like he's about to.
Hrm.
I need a little bit of time to look back and Hunt/Jack interactions. Independently, I think Huntzilla is town, but the Reviver claim this close to endgame is gross.
Oh, and the whole "Mindreaver is a Neighbor which means he totally isn't scum" reveal was such a letdown as far as potentially confirming someone else as town. I thought Silver was gearing up to claim Masons or something.
I read through scarbo's accusations several times and I'm not entirely sure I even understand what he's trying to say w/r/t my comment on Hunt. Like...say it again, but with different words. Otherwise, don't care.
His argument is that you keep making comments, that Hunt is going to lose his second vote. As if you are partners, and you know something we don't. Things like these sentences...
It wholly depends on whether the mods made Hunt a full-on scum Double Voter. 'Cause lol early scum victory if Hunt retains his Double Vote toMorrow AND Ghosting leaves the game, which he looks like he's about to.
Why do you think Hunt isn't a full double voter? Why do you think he wouldn't retain his vote indefinitely? Please answer that at least.
Oh, and the whole "Mindreaver is a Neighbor which means he totally isn't scum" reveal was such a letdown as far as potentially confirming someone else as town. I thought Silver was gearing up to claim Masons or something.
Can I ask another question for you? Was Silver ever really an option or a lynch for you today? Was he solidly town in your eyes? What about me? Thus far you've been all about Jack, did you think I was his partner (along with Hunt apparently)? Still do?
I'm asking because basically this sentence from you is saying you don't believe Silver and I should be cleared. Or possibly just me. I don't know. But explain how it's relevant unless you suspected the two of us (or again, just me). In the case you think I should still be a suspect, please explain who my team would be? Can you give any evidence to me being aligned with Jack or Hunt at this point? Anything about that not make sense? let me know. Because obviously, a town!vaimes would have thought about those things prior to Silver and I clearing each other.
Can someone please post a list of last night's night actions?
Sure, going off of memory though so I might forget/miss something:
Vaimes = tracked Huntzilla, who apparently went nowhere. Silvercrys3467 = I targeted Shadow with my ability to give him an extra watcher shot. Huntzilla = Did nothing, according to Vaimes, and hasn't claimed any night actions. Mindreaver = targeted me with a temporary neighborizer. Ghosting = Targeted you with his unlocking ability. scarbo = Did nothing, I think? zomgarcwind = No night actions claimed. Jackrito/Seppel = Did nothing. Prophylaxis = targeted Scarbo with his vanillaizer. D_V = Was vanillaized N1 and isn't unlocked, probably doesn't have a night action.
Presumably, someone on the scum team targeted Shadow or GJ with Kosa's vig shot invention and they used the NK on the other one.
No, still need a real T/S list from seppel, who is either scum or town throwing the game on purpose. I wish we would have gotten jack replaced yesterDay.
then we have much more to discuss, but seppel is still our roadblock
Oh seppel is 100% scum.
Hes just throwing as much WIFOM and wrench into the plans as he can.
Like, I'm basically waiting for zomg to say his piece so I can go back to convincing you guys to lynch Scarbo/Vaimes. I'm pretty sure on Vaimes now, so if you think Seppel is scum, he's bussing. And that'd be a pretty sloppy bus in my opinion. But I'll explain after we discuss whatever it is zomg wants to talk about.
Are you in the same game as the rest of us?
Unvote Vote Hunt
1) How is that not content? I already towncleared someone.
2) What content are you waiting on me for?
D_V is 100% town. You have my Seppel guarantee.
Jack hasn't targeted anyone.
1) Me and Silver and the Neighbor claim
2) Vaimes and D_V and the clear
3) Scarbo and D_V interactions for yesterday and today
4) D_V VS Hunt today
I know, I know, D_V is town in your opinion. But he's the thing, I'm not sure, I don't see how you could be. So do a favor for somebody who isn't 100% sure YOU'RE what you say you are, and convince me.
My T/S list isn't going to change much based on seppel's catch up. Unless he ******* clears Vaimes and Scarbo. This is in no particualr order:
Town
Mindreaver
Silver
Zomg
Proph
Ghosting
Jack/Seppel
Hunt
D_V
Scarbo
Vaimes
I'm willing to go scarbo or vaimes right this second. I really was leaning D_V as the third, and based on his play today, I could see it as well. Hunt or Seppel/jack have both been questionable today. BUT, my top 3 scum reads pushed Jack out of the gate, which I agree with Silver is suspect. Hunt as a double voter today is also unlikely to be scum with most of the game, since he could have hammered with a partner long ago. However, he's acting a little fishy there.
So long story short, I don't like D_V today, and he's still near the top. But I'm trying to keep an open mind and take a hard look at Seppel/Jack and Hunt, just to make sure I'm not wrong on that third person.
Can we please stop playing "I'm being slightly scummy for a reason, it's a trap" games? The time for that ***** is over. The time for being the towniest you can be, for not giving scum ammunition for mislynches, is now. Don't dodge questions, answer them. Don't get all pissy if we disagree, convince me. I'm not going to change my mind on, say scarbo, because when I offer my perspective he makes a head banging against the wall emoticon. That's not advancing the game, that's bull*****. So just stop doing it. I have like 5 suspects and you are ALL doing scummy ******* things.
If I lose to a lurking Vaimes or a silent Ghosting/Proph, because some townie wanted to be an enigma, I'm going to lose my mind.
I just don't care anymore?
I kinda want to die so you guys can see how bad you are playing. Town really doesn't deserve to win.
Ghosting vote me It helps you win and if a scum is lying you get another shot at them.
I know Mind has 2 town in his scum list so I'm out. I've tried, but when nobody will listen what's the point.
Luwl
Please people... look at this play and lynch the obvscum with me
Cool there was the response I was looking for.
Move Hunt to town lists guys.
Jack/Seppel
Scarbo
Vaimes
Proph
Scum Hunt would have lurked that out I think.
And I know Mindreaver wasn't faking his thoughts at all and there is no way that Scum mindreaver says that.
So 100% on Mind being Town. 100% on Silver town. 100% on Zomg town. I know I'm town and now I'm like 80% certain Hunt is town.
Also, I'm about 98% sure Proph meant by scarbo, not to him, because Scarbo said he made Proph vanillaize GJ on N2.
FTR I had alerts coming to me for every post in the thread so I wasn't dying because of my own vote.
Yeah I guess I could see that? I'd like proph to confirm that though. If that's the case. Pick your 100% mafia lynch then of
Jack/Seppel
Scarbo
Vaimes
I'd probably be willing to lynch Vaimes or Huntz if that's what we decide we want to do, but I'm pretty sure on Scarbo and not as sure on them.
Like, I could see Huntz/Vaimes with no fourth, I suppose.
But I don't think that's likely, mostly because I don't think Tracker/Double Voter/Roleblocker is enough power. I think there's a four-man team whether Huntz is on it or not. Maybe I'm not evaluating the double vote highly enough, though.
Any reason we are ignoring the Jack/Seppel bs or just wait for more info on that?
But really, when my top two scum reads come into the thread wanting to lynch someone that would be trivially easy to frame, I get suspicious. Besides, his claim actually helps us regardless of whether he's lying or not. If he's lying scum, the scum team can't kill zomg toNight or else we'll lynch him toMorrow. That means they basically have to shoot me and leave the mod confirmed townie alive.
@Mindreaver: I haven't read anything prior to page 35 so bear with me. Also those are good launching points for me to read about.
I feel like this is the first time you've ever addressed me directly in the history of mafia.
Well that's cool and I guess Jack already claimed.
1-shot medium, unused.
1-shot revive, unused.
What is wrong with you? I've literally said you're 100% town. Don't devalue me like that.
"hey you want to use your ability?"
"times running out, do you want to use your ability?"
"just so you know, you can use your ability tonight"
"hey did you want to use your ability?"
"hey night is almost over, do you want to use your ability?"
"do you have a night action to submit tonight?"
"you're running out of time to use your ability"
Like 12 messages over the course of the game.
But if he's claiming one shot revive, we just let him do it toNight then. Easily provable.
unvote per zomg's request, I guess.
Yeah good luck calling that a scum ability, ladies.
I don't know what the ability is, but I've seen posts like this before among townies and very rarely among scum. Silver gets maybe 2 bonus points for saying it.
So thats
ZOMG
DV
Silver
Mindreaver
as town in that order.
This is looking good.
Vaimes
Huntzilla
Ghosting
scarbo
Seppel's playing now? Looks like I need to catch up.
If there's any particular questions people have for me, I'll be more than happy to answer them.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
I'm currently thinking it's just D_V who needs to be, but I may be wrong and definitely want to confirm that.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
I'm pretty certain a scum is lying about it. They might not be though so thats me and probabally one other person.
I guess unvote for that request.
Pseudo vote Scarbo
Ghosting claimed neutral. Neither he nor Proph are mod confirmed but pretty much everyone agrees it's likely. Both of their roles have been confirmed by multiple players, though. You should probably read the mass claim.
@Ghosting:
I'm pretty sure you're right, just D_V.
Also, Seppel replaced in for Jack.
I read through scarbo's accusations several times and I'm not entirely sure I even understand what he's trying to say w/r/t my comment on Hunt. Like...say it again, but with different words. Otherwise, don't care.
I find it hard to believe that the Jackrito slot is a very, very easily confirmable role that's been sitting around and is now asking to live for just one more Night when we're potentially in LyLo. It wholly depends on whether the mods made Hunt a full-on scum Double Voter. 'Cause lol early scum victory if Hunt retains his Double Vote toMorrow AND Ghosting leaves the game, which he looks like he's about to.
Hrm.
I need a little bit of time to look back and Hunt/Jack interactions. Independently, I think Huntzilla is town, but the Reviver claim this close to endgame is gross.
Oh, and the whole "Mindreaver is a Neighbor which means he totally isn't scum" reveal was such a letdown as far as potentially confirming someone else as town. I thought Silver was gearing up to claim Masons or something.
That post was icky.
Can someone please post a list of last night's night actions?
Why do you think Hunt isn't a full double voter? Why do you think he wouldn't retain his vote indefinitely? Please answer that at least.
Can I ask another question for you? Was Silver ever really an option or a lynch for you today? Was he solidly town in your eyes? What about me? Thus far you've been all about Jack, did you think I was his partner (along with Hunt apparently)? Still do?
I'm asking because basically this sentence from you is saying you don't believe Silver and I should be cleared. Or possibly just me. I don't know. But explain how it's relevant unless you suspected the two of us (or again, just me). In the case you think I should still be a suspect, please explain who my team would be? Can you give any evidence to me being aligned with Jack or Hunt at this point? Anything about that not make sense? let me know. Because obviously, a town!vaimes would have thought about those things prior to Silver and I clearing each other.
Vaimes = tracked Huntzilla, who apparently went nowhere.
Silvercrys3467 = I targeted Shadow with my ability to give him an extra watcher shot.
Huntzilla = Did nothing, according to Vaimes, and hasn't claimed any night actions.
Mindreaver = targeted me with a temporary neighborizer.
Ghosting = Targeted you with his unlocking ability.
scarbo = Did nothing, I think?
zomgarcwind = No night actions claimed.
Jackrito/Seppel = Did nothing.
Prophylaxis = targeted Scarbo with his vanillaizer.
D_V = Was vanillaized N1 and isn't unlocked, probably doesn't have a night action.
Presumably, someone on the scum team targeted Shadow or GJ with Kosa's vig shot invention and they used the NK on the other one.
Eff dat.
Vaimes is scum.
Can I vote Vaimes yet?
Oh seppel is 100% scum.
Hes just throwing as much WIFOM and wrench into the plans as he can.
And is this not a real T/S list?
Maybe I'm biased because he agrees with my view of the game state, but...
Seppel (2): Vaimes, scarbo
scarbo (1): Ghosting
Not Voting (7): D_V, Huntzilla, Mindreaver, Prophylaxis, Seppel, Silvercrys3467, zomgarcwind
With 10 alive, it’s 6 to lynch. The deadline is Monday, November 14th at 11:59 pm EST.
Prophylaxis - Until Thursday
Day 2: 2.1 2.2 2.3 2.4 FINAL
Day 3: 3.1 3.2 3.3 3.4 3.5 FINAL
Day 4: 4.1 4.2 4.3