Ok, if you're getting to it I'll wait. But I'm pretty sure scarbo is on the team. Just so you know.
There's no way with all the power we have in the town that the scum team is... a 1-shot medium, a vanilla, a double voter, and a role blocker. That's just... not possible. So you can shout that Jack is lying about his claim if you want, but I don't really have a problem with it. Plus there's the thing where we've just been shrugging and lynching easy-to-lynch players and it's not working. Also, GJ confirmed Mindreaver was vanilla and his unlock condition. So there's virtually no chance he's lying.
Every member of the scum team is active in the thread, at least to some extent, and they're largely controlling the narrative and game flow right now. They have been the last couple of game days, in fact.
It's admirable, really, the way the scum team is basically openly wolfing and no one is standing up to them. Myself included. When I get some actual sit-down-and-read-mafia time I'll try to lay it out. Can't promise that any time soon, unfortunately. Maybe tomorrow morning I'll drag myself out of bed early to write it up.
Which one? I am going to spend Today trying to figure that out.
Well, I obviously don't think it's me. If it's D_V, then Vaimes is either lying or scum with him. Seems pretty simple to me. If you're 100% sure there's scum there, it's either Vaimes alone pocketing D_V with the town confirmation or it's both of them.
Also for the record I haven't unlocked my ability. I read my unlock wrong. It is when we lynch two non-mafia members in a row. Not just two but in a row. Leads me to believe that maybe we are supposed to lynch the neutrals? But, I'm so sick of dealing with neutrals what ever. I'm not going to worry about it this game. Maybe that will teach the mods on this forum to stop making *****ty neutral roles if they win by making the town and scum lose.
Just bringing this up, because GJ did also rolecop you to see your trigger at the same time he hit me. He didn't catch this either?
Also for the record I haven't unlocked my ability. I read my unlock wrong. It is when we lynch two non-mafia members in a row. Not just two but in a row. Leads me to believe that maybe we are supposed to lynch the neutrals? But, I'm so sick of dealing with neutrals what ever. I'm not going to worry about it this game. Maybe that will teach the mods on this forum to stop making *****ty neutral roles if they win by making the town and scum lose.
Just bringing this up, because GJ did also rolecop you to see your trigger at the same time he hit me. He didn't catch this either?
IDK if he saw that but its worded in such a way that he probably didn't notice/missed it the same as I did.
So proph do you think Vaimes is lying?
Vaimes claimed a role that makes sense. His clear of me additionally makes no sense for scum to do.
Also, @DV is this the time to kill a neutral? And which one
Oh cool.
Scum team is like 90%.
Jack, Mind, Hunt lynched in that order. Revisit possibly after Mindreaver lynch.
Need to finish vote counts before I'm a 100%.
Proph could be the red herring pretending to be neutral scum after his push on confirmed town/town.
Straight up though I've been ignoring that because I think its A) a dick play, B) Proph is better than that and C) I'll perma vote him in any game I have if he actually did that.
Sits on a vote of Shadow for 5 Vote Counts
Then 8 Vote Counts of Solo voting ZOMG
Then jumps on the Kosa Wagon
Before jumping on the CFD of Shock but not actually being here to change vote ever again and thus ends on Shockwave. (His one bus attempt for the day).
Vaimes claimed a role that makes sense. His clear of me additionally makes no sense for scum to do.
Then the only possibility you see is that you're aligned correct? I tend to agree, I'm just scared that I've got your both in the town column and you're gonna break my heart.
Without talking about my Mindreaver read, these are the possible teams from my PoV:
Scarbo, Vaimes, D_V will be Team 1.
Scarbo, Vaimes, Jackrito will be Team 2.
Scarbo, Jackrito, D_V will be Team 3.
Vaimes, Jackrito, D_V will be Team 4.
Scarbo, Huntz will be Team 5.
Vaimes, Huntz will be Team 6.
Jack, Huntz will be Team 7.
D_V, Huntz will be Team 8.
I will not be considering teams with three players remaining that include Huntz because we basically auto lose to any of those teams unless we lynch Huntz toDay. Plus a scum double voter seems... really hard to balance when you also have players leaving the game on top of that.
Day 1 final looks like textbook scum team to me. Votes are spaced out and not on each other. The only thing in this vote count that looks kind of odd is that there’s two scum on NewName’s five man wagon, but that’s just unusual not totally unlikely.
Day 2 final is also pretty textbook. Scarbo and D_V bussing for town cred and Vaimes pushing his intended eventual mislynch so it looks like a legit scum read. Shockwave even goes down on D_V’s wagon for distance.
Day 3 final is also textbook scum team. One on the mislynch, one on the counter wagon, one off both wagons.
Day 1 looks pretty good for this team, too. Jack going down solo on Shockwave’s wagon and the rest are pretty spread out.
Day 2 has them pretty spread out. Still a good team here, though I don’t think it’s very likely that only one scum bussed Shockwave.
Day 3, though, has Jack and Vaimes voting right next to each other. Not likely if they’re scum buddies, though it’s possible I suppose.
Basically the same as team two, except D_V is on the counter wagon instead of Vaimes D1. On D2, D_V and Scarbo bus Shockwave together, and on D3 they’re pretty spread out. Plausible team I guess.
Same as team two, basically, except that Jack is off wagon instead of scarbo on D1. On D2 D_V is the only one bussing instead of scarbo. On D3, Jack and Vaimes are still voting on each other’s heels and it still seems kind of unlikely to me.
Basically this team isn’t likely due to D2 when they voted next to each other.
Blah blah spread out, except D3 when they both lynched NewName. This is probably the most plausible Huntz team to me.
This one is almost as plausible as Huntz and Vaimes, for basically the same reasons. But there’s a few things not related to the votes that make me think it’s not Jack, so Vaimes is a more likely partner from where I’m sitting.
Same as Huntz/Scarbo. Less likely than the other teams because of D2 but plausible based on the others.
If I had time I would check each of the votes individually for context and whatnot. Unfortunately, I don't have that much time to dig into the thread and most of the wagons went through with the thinnest of pretexts anyway so I don't think it's a very good use of my energy. Sorry.
Now, I actually believe Jack's claim. If I'm right, he's basically never scum because there's very little chance of a scum aligned medium.
But that, of course, means that it's basically always [Scarbo/Vaimes/D_V] or [Vaimes/Huntz] from my point of view.
Catching you again, obviously. You'll notice I didn't endorse any of those teams except one, which is totally possible if Vaimes got Kosa's lie detector and decided to "clear" you with it.
Besides that, who's the scum team then D_V? Hmm? It's not Mindreaver, I can pretty well guarantee that. It's not me, and if it's Huntz we've already lost. So go on. Convince me Vaimes/Scarbo/Jack is a viable scum team. Then help me lynch Scarbo since we agree on 2/3 of my PoE.
Like, you're last in my PoE. Other than Huntz. Only reasons for you to resist lynching Scarbo and Vaimes are 1) you're more sure they're town than I am sure Mindreaver is or 2) they're your buddies like I think. And you're pulling a total 180 on Scarbo. He's suddenly too townie to lynch and you'd rather lynch *the lurker whose role probably makes them town* over *the bus driver that's been screwing with our night actions*? Because "his claim is real"? Of course it is, Shadow caught him at it! Your read on Scarbo has no progression, and scarbo's reads are totally fake, but you trust him because of his claim?
So let's go. If my reads are so bad, why are Vaimes and Scarbo town? In fact, why is Vaimes even alive? The Mafia killed the depleted one-shot watcher and the role cop but left the role that can catch them performing the night kill alive? If they were both town, GJ would have been easier to mislynch thanks to Kosa's tinfoiling on a scum!rolecop. Who killed Tom N1? Points to you, me, and Vaimes in my opinion. It's obviously not me. Where's the scum power roles, hmm?
It's Scarbo/Vaimes minimum, dude. If it's not you, then maybe it's Jack. Maybe>
Fair enough on that the rest are just so bad and made me see red.
Like zero thought was put into these lists.
He just typed words and said look at this!
You can tell how much thought I put into it through the internet? That's a pretty cool trick. I've actually been thinking about possible scum teams since Day started and felt my thoughts were best expressed to thread through the wagons. But go ahead and smear me more, it just makes me more sure I have the team right.
Catching you again, obviously. You'll notice I didn't endorse any of those teams except one, which is totally possible if Vaimes got Kosa's lie detector and decided to "clear" you with it.
Besides that, who's the scum team then D_V? Hmm? It's not Mindreaver, I can pretty well guarantee that. It's not me, and if it's Huntz we've already lost. So go on. Convince me Vaimes/Scarbo/Jack is a viable scum team. Then help me lynch Scarbo since we agree on 2/3 of my PoE.
Like, you're last in my PoE. Other than Huntz. Only reasons for you to resist lynching Scarbo and Vaimes are 1) you're more sure they're town than I am sure Mindreaver is or 2) they're your buddies like I think. And you're pulling a total 180 on Scarbo. He's suddenly too townie to lynch and you'd rather lynch *the lurker whose role probably makes them town* over *the bus driver that's been screwing with our night actions*? Because "his claim is real"? Of course it is, Shadow caught him at it! Your read on Scarbo has no progression, and scarbo's reads are totally fake, but you trust him because of his claim?
So let's go. If my reads are so bad, why are Vaimes and Scarbo town? In fact, why is Vaimes even alive? The Mafia killed the depleted one-shot watcher and the role cop but left the role that can catch them performing the night kill alive? If they were both town, GJ would have been easier to mislynch thanks to Kosa's tinfoiling on a scum!rolecop. Who killed Tom N1? Points to you, me, and Vaimes in my opinion. It's obviously not me. Where's the scum power roles, hmm?
It's Scarbo/Vaimes minimum, dude. If it's not you, then maybe it's Jack. Maybe>
Why would Scum Vaimes ever clear me.
You also never answered my question so I'll ask it again because you know I want to actually win.
Why do you believe Jack claim?
How are you ignoring the scum lurking behavior?
Furthermore how do we "Already lose if Hunt is scum"
If hunt is scum it is a 3 scum team with the two neutrals. So there are only two scum left with a total of 3 votes with the neutrals totaling 5 votes. But the neutrals have no inclinations to vote with the scum since it actually can mess up their win condition.
Why even make these lists then additionally.
You just typed useless words on the paper to add additional content. It's literally worthlesssss. Like most of them are not even possibilities and you haven't explained why my list of Mind/Jack/(Hunt or maybe Proph maybe scarbo) is wrong.
Jack is 100% the correct lynch today. I literally will not deviate from it. This means that virtually the only lynch that can happen with town or the lynch will be scum run.
So, unless someone can make a really really convincing argument for Jack not being scum. Its sitting there.
Fair enough on that the rest are just so bad and made me see red.
Like zero thought was put into these lists.
He just typed words and said look at this!
You can tell how much thought I put into it through the internet? That's a pretty cool trick. I've actually been thinking about possible scum teams since Day started and felt my thoughts were best expressed to thread through the wagons. But go ahead and smear me more, it just makes me more sure I have the team right.
Dude most of those teams make no sense.
With Vaimes clearing me it makes us both have to be scum or him have to be scum. But I can't be scum and him be town.
Vaimes Town
DV Scum
Is not an option.
That invalidates literally half of the teams you proposed. So, that's neat. But these are clearly not viable teams.
I figured that if he's a mod-confirmed Double Voter who happens to be mafia, then he'd very likely be the one assigned to commit the NKs because 1) he doesn't have a Night ability, and 2) he was townread mostly due to his role and probably wouldn't draw any Tracker/Cop checks.
He went nowhere.
But uh. I just realized I haven't actually asked the mod if I'm able to track factional abilities, so. Hold the phone on that while I wait for the PM.
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I colored in all of the Day 1 votals with [Vaimes, DV, zomg, shadow, Kosakosa, GJ, Cythare, tomsloger, NewName] all marked as confirmed town. Not gonna do it here because it requires significantly more effort.
I think the last two votals of Day 1 are the most interesting:
Not Voting (4) - Shockwave08, Kosakosa, tomsloger, Jackrito
The main wagon is town, town, ???, ???, town, town, ???, Neutral
There is most definitely one scum between Huntzilla and Mindreaver. As it stands, I believe that as long as Hunt remains a Double Voter, any attempts to paint him as scum will be struck down by me as "fear mongering." The logic of "Mindreaver is Vanilla and therefore unlikely to be scum" is thbtbtbtbtbt in a game with no true vanillas.
Sorry Proph, but the NewName wagon is pretty pure.
Gun to head, the last ~three scum are Mindreaver, Jack, and one between scarbo/Silver. Probbbably scarbo over Silver. Add Hunt's name to the list if his ability vanishes before any of the 'Los.
Vote Jackrito
I agree that Jack fits on most probable scumteams. The Hunt/Mindreaver dichotomy can be dealt with later.
I was just looking at the votes. What was the point of your useless exercise earlier, we all have a terrible voting pattern if you look at it that way. Go ahead, look at *anyone* else and tell me with a straight face the voting pattern in a vacuum doesn't look scummy.
Look, there's no chance you're scum and Vaimes is town. Can't happen. But that only invalidates, what. Two teams? 3 and 8? And I didn't even talk about them much? You're gonna throw the whole analysis in the dumpster because I came to a conclusion you didn't like and said some extra words about votes that are irrelevant?
There's a very good reason scum!Vaimes might confirm you as town. To pocket you. If you're town, it's evidently working.
As for your questions, I'm not lynching Jack. I don't have or need a reason. Since I'm basically confirmed town by GJ's flip and your alignment is in question, I don't really care if your vote sits on Jack because I don't need you to lynch Scarbo. I can get Mindreaver, Jack, Zomg, and Huntz to lynch him with me. Hopefully.
As for scum lurking, you can't prove they're scum. We've lynched three lurkers already. The scum are active in the thread. At least two of them are. I'm not lynching anymore lurkers, that's game throwing.
Though maybe I should just let you do it. If we lose because of lurkers enough people might stop lurking.
The reason we basically autolose to scum!Huntz is that Proph and Ghosting are both close to their wincons. When both leave, even if the scum team is down a mam like you think, we'll be caught out with not enough votes. I'm fine with that. If Huntz is scum, he wins, partly because I'm going to be "lazy" and not put in the work to catch him. I've only got so many hours in the day and I don't have enough to make ten PBPAs every game Day. So I gave up even trying. But the rest of the town doesn't seem to be trying, either, so that's fine.
But don't complain about being the only one solving the game then turn around and throw my analysis back at me because I looked at stuff you didn't think I needed to.
Here is the thing DV. What about INNN, GJ, and Shadow's flips made you want to kill jack instead of scarbo?
What about the scenario that you and Vaimes are scum together? Tracker and Goon. I can see motivation for all your actions thus far. That's certainly one reason a scum!vaimes would "clear" you.
The problem is, if Silver is town, one of scarbo/jack is scum. and either you and vaimes are lying, or hunt is scum and there are only 2 left. I tend to agree that it *would* be hard to balance a scum double voter and two neutral survivors.
The other possibility is Ghosting/Proph have from day 1 hoodwinked the whole thread. I don't mind losing to a plan that bold. Especially since they both have hit targets with their abilities, and therefore aren't lying in that regard. Basically a scum!proph had no reason to come forward. And scum!ghosting doesn't make much sense with his choice of targets so far.
If I have to choose between scarbo and jack. It's scarbo. 100%. He's vanilla'd GJ, and he's been pushing for ghosting to reveal if he'd leave for days. It's CRITICAL for the scum team win that a neutral leave. They won't be able to hammer the first non-mafia vote tomorrow if both neutrals are still here.
The other piece of information that you don't have at the moment. Is that I unlocked my ability yesterday. I've used it on Silver, and that's why I'm not in his scum teams. I'd rather keep the details secret until tomorrow, so that I can hit at least one more person.
So, lets all talk about Vote Scarbo. Even if you think this is all tinfoil-hat-vaimes-and-dv-are-long-shots stuff, scarbo was scummy yesterday, and is even scummier with INNN flipping town. On a scarbo scumflip we'll need to decide if his partners are DV/Vaimes or Jack/Hunt, or just Hunt. In the event of a townflip, I have to say the team is probably Silver/Jack/??? But I honestly would be at a loss to figure out who else besides those two it could even be.
ghosting already revealed that he left the game in post 896. I was just trying to see if he would forget and lie. he's clearly neutral, and so how the possible **** could I be scum with him and proph if shadow confirmed that I redirected proph to GJ???
What about the scenario that you and Vaimes are scum together? Tracker and Goon.
wait... if DV is scum why would you believe his vanilla claim? You know DV is town, believe his claim, and just slipped in projecting that onto a scum-DV scenario.
GJ even confirmed that I was legit telling my ability.
So IDK what crack you and Silver are smoking but it isn't very good stuff because both of you seem to be forgetting key pieces of info that have been given to us by now confirmed town members.
Everyone go read Vaimes' iso. He only has four pages. Now go reread everything said since the start of toDay. Look at the way Scarbo, D_V, and Vaimes are talking about and to each other. They're basically all endorsing the jack/mindreaver PoE because those are the mislynches they need to win. They're trying to strong arm us into it with D_V's "confirmation."
To reiterate, Scarbo's been pushing mislynches and neutrals all game. He made Proph vanillaize GJ. His role slots quite snugly into a scum team.
Vaimes' read progressions on Shockwave, D_V, scarbo, and Mindreaver are extremely bizarre. If you didn't read his iso please go do that now. At least the first two pages. Shockwave gets town read basically all of D1 because of a single post clover made, then he suddenly drops into the PoE around the time the Cythare wagon picked up and people were talking about lynching him instead. Then Vaimes pops back into the thread D2 just to say he endorses the Shockwave lynch. D_V gets an earlyish townread then gets hard defended most of the day before mysteriously slipping into the PoE block on D2 so he could be plausibly cleared by the item Vaimes got from Kosa on N1. He's had scarbo in his PoE for Days and never tracks him, and is right now trying to lynch the same people as him while saying he's probably scum over me. He scum read Mindreaver early, focusing on him for several posts before saying "I'm ok with him now" but leaves him in the PoE. Then he puts him in his town block, moves him back off the town block, then half-tracks him instead of any of his stronger scum reads like NewName or Jack. His role also fits on a scum team nicely because they should have an investigative to help them direct the roleblocker.
D_V is endorsing the same PoE as both of them, is "cleared" because of Vaimes, and a D_V scum flip resolves the voting dichotomies Vaimes pointed out between Huntzilla and Mindreaver just as well as either of them. He's out right refusing to vote outside of Jack toDay. I haven't looked closely at D_V's earlier stuff so I'm sure there's more than that, but that's enough for now. His claim could be scum or town. I guess it's not super likely that there's a redirector, a roleblocker, and a duelist on the scum team, though. Ugh.
There's a chance it's like Jack instead of D_V or something, maybe. But D_V's continued smearing of me isn't making me think it's Jack. There's literally no reason town!D_V cannot suspect Vaimes of pocketing him by checking him. It's perfectly plausible and his refusal to even consider it makes me more sure it's him over Jack. Because if we can lynch Scarbo or Vaimes, we won't lose outright when Ghosting and Proph leave. That's why there's so much pushback against lynching Scarbo from them.
@D_V:
Mindreaver used his ability on me. It basically confirms him from my PoV. It isn't him. I'm pretty sure we just lose to scum!Huntz if he still has both votes regardless of the number of players left on the scum team. It's not something I can prove with math, it's a feeling I have about the way the game will play out. If he loses his votes then we don't lose and can reevaluate in F3 or whatever. Help me lynch Scarbo and Vaimes, then ya'll can argue in circles about whether it's you, Jack or Huntz/Mindreaver in the F3.
Basically every person I can remember you pushing has flipped town so far, scarbo. That's what I mean. Primarily NewName and GJ. Not that you were literally on the wagons of the mislynches, you were careful about that. But your suspects all ended up flipping town.
re: Mindreaver, there's two things: the ability itself is probably not scum-aligned, and targeting me with it is more likely to come from town!Mindreaver than scum!Mindreaver. There are other, better targets for scum.
What do you think of Vaimes' progression? I'd be willing to consider lynching him instead of you toDay. I'll sort D_V/Huntz/Jack later, or they'll be the F3 and can duke it out I guess.
Er. Well, actually, you didn't want to lynch NewName on D1, then flipped on him D2 (you said there were two scum in NewName, Mindreaver, Shockwave), then 180'd on him again and condemned his wagon when it was tied with yours on D3?
I just need to go look at your read progression like I did Vaimes, I guess.
Basically every person I can remember you pushing has flipped town so far, scarbo. That's what I mean. Primarily NewName and GJ. Not that you were literally on the wagons of the mislynches, you were careful about that. But your suspects all ended up flipping town.
re: Mindreaver, there's two things: the ability itself is probably not scum-aligned, and targeting me with it is more likely to come from town!Mindreaver than scum!Mindreaver. There are other, better targets for scum.
What do you think of Vaimes' progression? I'd be willing to consider lynching him instead of you toDay. I'll sort D_V/Huntz/Jack later, or they'll be the F3 and can duke it out I guess.
Literally look at my post 1693 It is colorized and everything.
But I spent very little time on those two teams anyway, so I don't know what the big deal is.
It's Mind's ability, so I'm not going to reveal it unless he's in imminent danger of being lynched.
Proph didn't get redirected to scarbo. He was redirected by scarbo to GJ. Maybe I'm misremembering, but isn't that what scarbo said? Cause on N1 you got vanillaized, right? Then on N2 Scarbo made Proph vanillaize GJ. Then on N3 Scarbo got it. I thought.
Er. Well, actually, you didn't want to lynch NewName on D1, then flipped on him D2 (you said there were two scum in NewName, Mindreaver, Shockwave), then 180'd on him again and condemned his wagon when it was tied with yours on D3?
I just need to go look at your read progression like I did Vaimes, I guess.
I only voted INANN because he was my counterwagon and I knew my alignment. If someone said they were going to vig me guess what I'd do: redirect them.
GJ was only a brief scum read, reignited by a bout of paranoia I've already explained. zomg is the only person I've been totally wrong about so far.
I'm really struggling to see how mindreaver CAN'T be scum. behaviorally he's been terrible. POE leads right to him. You'll probably need to share more details about this later.
I'm seeing Vaimes and INANN as basically the same- classic disengaged town. There's a difference between that and scum-lurking.
@DV: no, >I< redirected Proph N2 to GJ. He targeted me last night. I didn't redirect anyone. Proph is neutral. look elsewhere.
can someone remind me exactly what cleared silver to GJ? not doubting him, just can't find the details from his iso. role copping?
What is going on with you DV? I thought Vaimes "couldn't be scum" because why would scum!vaimes confirm you as town?
You really are troubling right now.
You started the day with "oh maybe we should lynch a neutral to unlock me" when Ghosting HAS to unlock you in order to win, you could have just asked him to target you.
Then you proposed "the best lynch option" and OOPs, he's the Innocent Child (no easy zomg mislynch for your team, sadface)
next you are "starting to think scarbo is town" for ???
Next theory is hunt is scum
next we PoE down the scum lists and while scarbo's "natural claim" clears him (again ???) we end up at jack/me/hunt and you vote jack (not hunt, like you just focused)
Silver asks why not me (because he knows why not me) and you say because of behavior I'm not with hunt
You then go after proph ("Do you think vaimes is lying", "His clear of me additionally makes no sense for scum to do")
I ask which neutral you're up for killing (since scum need to remove them from the game tonight to control the vote tomorrow) and you respond that you are 90% sure of jack/mind/hunt scumteam (that 10% must be proph "red herring pretending to be neutral scum" you mention in the same post)
vote analysis on Jack/Me, Silver makes "a good point" and might swap scarbo for mind (must have been a good point to invalidate the natural claim and also ???) and maybe hunt is town after all (but definitely jack is scum, 100%)
Silver is then asked to stop being terrible with his groupings
more against silver's analysis
"why did proph target scarbo?"
"With Vaimes clearing me it makes us both have to be scum or him have to be scum. But I can't be scum and him be town."
back to jack/hunt/mind team because I used the word "goon"
But to explain the problem. He got redirected to Scarbo night 2, and then said he targeted him night 3.
JACK/VAIMES/PROPH????? You literally have said maybe three times today that vaimes clearing you as scum makes no sense. That hunt/mind is the team with jack. Where on earth did this proph thing come from? Oh wait, you've been testing the waters on killing the neutral that isn't close to leaving. Let me ask this to the thread at large: If ghosting leaves tonight, we lynch proph OR town today, and hunt dies overnight, what happens tomorrow? The answer: scum sits, waits for any non-mafia vote at all, and hammers for the win.
@DV explain your change on Scarbo. Why was he a good vote for all of yesterday, but now is not? Why was Zomg better? What has Jack done that is scummier than Scarbo? Why are you pushing literally anyone BUT scarbo (me, jack, proph, hunt, vaimes???)?
I'll consider revealing my ability. I'd be happier to do it if somebody I didn't suspect so completely was asking. So in that light: @Zomg - if you think it would help you come to a conclusion, to know, let me know. Also, we ever gonna hear about the red pill?
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I'm getting to that. Its his behavior the claim the everything.
Mindreaver (1): scarbo
scarbo (1): Silvercrys3467
Jackrito (1): D_V
Not Voting (7): Vaimes, Huntzilla, Ghosting, scarbo, zomgarcwind, Jackrito, Prophylaxis
With 10 alive, it’s 6 to lynch. The deadline is Monday, November 14th at 11:59 pm EST.
Jackrito - For a few more days (Wednesday approx)
Day 2: 2.1 2.2 2.3 2.4 FINAL
Day 3: 3.1 3.2 3.3 3.4 3.5 FINAL
There's no way with all the power we have in the town that the scum team is... a 1-shot medium, a vanilla, a double voter, and a role blocker. That's just... not possible. So you can shout that Jack is lying about his claim if you want, but I don't really have a problem with it. Plus there's the thing where we've just been shrugging and lynching easy-to-lynch players and it's not working. Also, GJ confirmed Mindreaver was vanilla and his unlock condition. So there's virtually no chance he's lying.
Every member of the scum team is active in the thread, at least to some extent, and they're largely controlling the narrative and game flow right now. They have been the last couple of game days, in fact.
It's admirable, really, the way the scum team is basically openly wolfing and no one is standing up to them. Myself included. When I get some actual sit-down-and-read-mafia time I'll try to lay it out. Can't promise that any time soon, unfortunately. Maybe tomorrow morning I'll drag myself out of bed early to write it up.
There is scum on this wagon.
Which one? I am going to spend Today trying to figure that out.
?????
What vote count was that?
IDK if he saw that but its worded in such a way that he probably didn't notice/missed it the same as I did.
So proph do you think Vaimes is lying?
Vaimes claimed a role that makes sense. His clear of me additionally makes no sense for scum to do.
Silver is cleared because of GJ interactions.
Oh cool.
Scum team is like 90%.
Jack, Mind, Hunt lynched in that order. Revisit possibly after Mindreaver lynch.
Need to finish vote counts before I'm a 100%.
Proph could be the red herring pretending to be neutral scum after his push on confirmed town/town.
Straight up though I've been ignoring that because I think its A) a dick play, B) Proph is better than that and C) I'll perma vote him in any game I have if he actually did that.
Day one behavior of Jacklmao
Sits on a vote of Shadow for 5 Vote Counts
Then 8 Vote Counts of Solo voting ZOMG
Then jumps on the Kosa Wagon
Before jumping on the CFD of Shock but not actually being here to change vote ever again and thus ends on Shockwave. (His one bus attempt for the day).
Day 2 Never Votes
Day 3 Sits on Innan The entire day.
This is scum only an idiot would think otherwise.
How are people leaning here?
Also, you passed the test.
Mind Behavior.
Day 1
6 Vote counts on silver.
then goes
2 on GJ
3 on Kosa
6 no votes
Lynch Cyth
Day 2
No votes on vote counts.
Day 3
Votes Innan
Then jumps off sits on Scarbo for rest of day.
IDK swap him for mind maybe?
Maybe hunt is town and its that?
I'm not a 100% sure that is a good point but at this point I feel like I'm the only one trying to solve the game.
But Jack is scum.
Scarbo, Vaimes, D_V will be Team 1.
Scarbo, Vaimes, Jackrito will be Team 2.
Scarbo, Jackrito, D_V will be Team 3.
Vaimes, Jackrito, D_V will be Team 4.
Scarbo, Huntz will be Team 5.
Vaimes, Huntz will be Team 6.
Jack, Huntz will be Team 7.
D_V, Huntz will be Team 8.
I will not be considering teams with three players remaining that include Huntz because we basically auto lose to any of those teams unless we lynch Huntz toDay. Plus a scum double voter seems... really hard to balance when you also have players leaving the game on top of that.
Day 2 final is also pretty textbook. Scarbo and D_V bussing for town cred and Vaimes pushing his intended eventual mislynch so it looks like a legit scum read. Shockwave even goes down on D_V’s wagon for distance.
Day 3 final is also textbook scum team. One on the mislynch, one on the counter wagon, one off both wagons.
Day 2 has them pretty spread out. Still a good team here, though I don’t think it’s very likely that only one scum bussed Shockwave.
Day 3, though, has Jack and Vaimes voting right next to each other. Not likely if they’re scum buddies, though it’s possible I suppose.
Now, I actually believe Jack's claim. If I'm right, he's basically never scum because there's very little chance of a scum aligned medium.
But that, of course, means that it's basically always [Scarbo/Vaimes/D_V] or [Vaimes/Huntz] from my point of view.
Lynch Scarbo/Vaimes/D_V/Huntz in that order.
He was bad my last game and people coddled him and now this.
SILVER
Team 1
Team 3
Team 4
Team 8
Can't Exist
Vaimes Copped me.
PLZ stop being terrible.
How are you ignoring the scum lurking behavior?
What are you doing this game?
Like Jesus Christ.
Like zero thought was put into these lists.
He just typed words and said look at this!
Besides that, who's the scum team then D_V? Hmm? It's not Mindreaver, I can pretty well guarantee that. It's not me, and if it's Huntz we've already lost. So go on. Convince me Vaimes/Scarbo/Jack is a viable scum team. Then help me lynch Scarbo since we agree on 2/3 of my PoE.
Like, you're last in my PoE. Other than Huntz. Only reasons for you to resist lynching Scarbo and Vaimes are 1) you're more sure they're town than I am sure Mindreaver is or 2) they're your buddies like I think. And you're pulling a total 180 on Scarbo. He's suddenly too townie to lynch and you'd rather lynch *the lurker whose role probably makes them town* over *the bus driver that's been screwing with our night actions*? Because "his claim is real"? Of course it is, Shadow caught him at it! Your read on Scarbo has no progression, and scarbo's reads are totally fake, but you trust him because of his claim?
So let's go. If my reads are so bad, why are Vaimes and Scarbo town? In fact, why is Vaimes even alive? The Mafia killed the depleted one-shot watcher and the role cop but left the role that can catch them performing the night kill alive? If they were both town, GJ would have been easier to mislynch thanks to Kosa's tinfoiling on a scum!rolecop. Who killed Tom N1? Points to you, me, and Vaimes in my opinion. It's obviously not me. Where's the scum power roles, hmm?
It's Scarbo/Vaimes minimum, dude. If it's not you, then maybe it's Jack. Maybe>
Why would Scum Vaimes ever clear me.
You also never answered my question so I'll ask it again because you know I want to actually win.
Furthermore how do we "Already lose if Hunt is scum"
If hunt is scum it is a 3 scum team with the two neutrals. So there are only two scum left with a total of 3 votes with the neutrals totaling 5 votes. But the neutrals have no inclinations to vote with the scum since it actually can mess up their win condition.
Why even make these lists then additionally.
You just typed useless words on the paper to add additional content. It's literally worthlesssss. Like most of them are not even possibilities and you haven't explained why my list of Mind/Jack/(Hunt or maybe Proph maybe scarbo) is wrong.
Jack is 100% the correct lynch today. I literally will not deviate from it. This means that virtually the only lynch that can happen with town or the lynch will be scum run.
So, unless someone can make a really really convincing argument for Jack not being scum. Its sitting there.
Dude most of those teams make no sense.
With Vaimes clearing me it makes us both have to be scum or him have to be scum. But I can't be scum and him be town.
Vaimes Town
DV Scum
Is not an option.
That invalidates literally half of the teams you proposed. So, that's neat. But these are clearly not viable teams.
I figured that if he's a mod-confirmed Double Voter who happens to be mafia, then he'd very likely be the one assigned to commit the NKs because 1) he doesn't have a Night ability, and 2) he was townread mostly due to his role and probably wouldn't draw any Tracker/Cop checks.
He went nowhere.
But uh. I just realized I haven't actually asked the mod if I'm able to track factional abilities, so. Hold the phone on that while I wait for the PM.
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I colored in all of the Day 1 votals with [Vaimes, DV, zomg, shadow, Kosakosa, GJ, Cythare, tomsloger, NewName] all marked as confirmed town. Not gonna do it here because it requires significantly more effort.
I think the last two votals of Day 1 are the most interesting:
Vote Count 1.21
Cythare (8) - INeedANewName, Gentleman Johnny, Huntzilla, Huntzilla, zomgarcwind, D_V, Mindreaver, Ghosting
INeedANewName (3) - Vaimes, shadowlancerx, Cythare
scarbo (1) - Prophylaxis
Shockwave07 (1) - Silvercrys3467
Ghosting (1) - scarbo
Not Voting (4) - Shockwave08, Kosakosa, tomsloger, Jackrito
The main wagon is town, town, ???, ???, town, town, ???, Neutral
There is most definitely one scum between Huntzilla and Mindreaver. As it stands, I believe that as long as Hunt remains a Double Voter, any attempts to paint him as scum will be struck down by me as "fear mongering." The logic of "Mindreaver is Vanilla and therefore unlikely to be scum" is thbtbtbtbtbt in a game with no true vanillas.
Final Vote Count
Cythare (9) - INeedANewName, Gentleman Johnny, Huntzilla, Huntzilla, zomgarcwind, Mindreaver, Ghosting, Shockwave07, Prophylaxis
INeedANewName (5) - Vaimes, shadowlancerx, Cythare, D_V, Silvercrys3467
Shockwave07 (1) - Jackrito
Ghosting (1) - scarbo
Not Voting (2) - Kosakosa, tomsloger
Sorry Proph, but the NewName wagon is pretty pure.
Gun to head, the last ~three scum are Mindreaver, Jack, and one between scarbo/Silver. Probbbably scarbo over Silver. Add Hunt's name to the list if his ability vanishes before any of the 'Los.
Vote Jackrito
I agree that Jack fits on most probable scumteams. The Hunt/Mindreaver dichotomy can be dealt with later.
Look, there's no chance you're scum and Vaimes is town. Can't happen. But that only invalidates, what. Two teams? 3 and 8? And I didn't even talk about them much? You're gonna throw the whole analysis in the dumpster because I came to a conclusion you didn't like and said some extra words about votes that are irrelevant?
There's a very good reason scum!Vaimes might confirm you as town. To pocket you. If you're town, it's evidently working.
As for your questions, I'm not lynching Jack. I don't have or need a reason. Since I'm basically confirmed town by GJ's flip and your alignment is in question, I don't really care if your vote sits on Jack because I don't need you to lynch Scarbo. I can get Mindreaver, Jack, Zomg, and Huntz to lynch him with me. Hopefully.
As for scum lurking, you can't prove they're scum. We've lynched three lurkers already. The scum are active in the thread. At least two of them are. I'm not lynching anymore lurkers, that's game throwing.
Though maybe I should just let you do it. If we lose because of lurkers enough people might stop lurking.
The reason we basically autolose to scum!Huntz is that Proph and Ghosting are both close to their wincons. When both leave, even if the scum team is down a mam like you think, we'll be caught out with not enough votes. I'm fine with that. If Huntz is scum, he wins, partly because I'm going to be "lazy" and not put in the work to catch him. I've only got so many hours in the day and I don't have enough to make ten PBPAs every game Day. So I gave up even trying. But the rest of the town doesn't seem to be trying, either, so that's fine.
But don't complain about being the only one solving the game then turn around and throw my analysis back at me because I looked at stuff you didn't think I needed to.
Scarbo might be the other scum.
Silver said some things that actually made sense.
What are you reasons for clearing Mind?
I ended on mind by process of elimination.
Prophylaxis(2): Cythare, D_V
Cythare (1): SorenBlade
1.1
Prophylaxis(4): Cythare, D_V, SorenBlade,Prophylaxis
Cythare (1): Silvercrys3467
zomgarcwind (1): Gentleman Johnny
Gentleman Johnny (1): shadowlancerx
1.2
Gentleman Johnny (4): shadowlancerx, Cythare, D_V, zomgarcwind
Prophylaxis(2): SorenBlade,Prophylaxis
Cythare (2): Silvercrys3467, Chandra's Fiery Cat
Scarbo (1): Vaimes
Silvercrys3467 (1): Mindreaver
1.3
Gentleman Johnny (2): shadowlancerx, zomgarcwind
D_V (2): Silvercrys3467, Cythare
Prophylaxis(1): SorenBlade
Cythare (1): Chandra's Fiery Cat
Scarbo (1): Vaimes
Silvercrys3467 (1): Mindreaver
Mindreaver (1): D_V
1.4
D_V (2) - Silvercrys3467, Cythare
Gentleman Johnny (1) - shadowlancerx
Prophylaxis(1) - SorenBlade
Cythare (1) - Chandra's Fiery Cat
Scarbo (1) - Vaimes
Silvercrys3467 (1) - Mindreaver
Mindreaver (1) - D_V
shadowlancerx (1) - Jackrito
1.5
Prophylaxis(2) - SorenBlade, zomgarcwind
D_V (1) - Cythare
Cythare (1) - Chandra's Fiery Cat
Scarbo (1) - Vaimes
Silvercrys3467 (1) - Mindreaver
Mindreaver (1) - D_V
shadowlancerx (1) - Jackrito
Jackrito (1) - Silvercrys3467
1.6
Silvercrys3467 (3) - Mindreaver , Scarbo , Kosakosa
Prophylaxis(2) - SorenBlade, zomgarcwind
D_V (1) - Cythare
Cythare (1) - Chandra's Fiery Cat
Scarbo (1) - Vaimes
Mindreaver (1) - D_V
shadowlancerx (1) - Jackrito
Jackrito (1) - Silvercrys3467
Ghosting (1) - Lil4leafclover
Huntzilla (1) - Gentleman Johnny
1.7
Silvercrys3467 (2) - Mindreaver , Kosakosa
Prophylaxis(2) - SorenBlade, zomgarcwind
Mindreaver (2) - D_V, Vaimes
D_V (1) - Cythare
Cythare (1) - Chandra's Fiery Cat
shadowlancerx (1) - Jackrito
Jackrito (1) - Silvercrys3467
Ghosting (1) - Lil4leafclover
Huntzilla (1) - Gentleman Johnny
zomgarcwind (1): Scarbo
1.8
Ghosting (2) - Lil4leafclover, D_V
zomgarcwind (2) - Jackrito , Cythare
Prophylaxis(1) - SorenBlade
Silvercrys3467 (1) - Kosakosa
Mindreaver (1) - Vaimes
Cythare (1) - Chandra's Fiery Cat
Huntzilla (1) - Gentleman Johnny
1.9
Gentleman Johnny (3) - Mindreaver , Scarbo , Cythare
Ghosting (2) - Lil4leafclover, D_V
Mindreaver (2) - Vaimes, Gentleman Johnny
zomgarcwind (1) - Jackrito
Prophylaxis(1) - SorenBlade
Silvercrys3467 (1) - Kosakosa
Jackrito (1) - tomsloger
1.10
Gentleman Johnny (3) - Mindreaver , Scarbo , Cythare
Ghosting (3) - Lil4leafclover, D_V, Huntzilla
Mindreaver (1) - Gentleman Johnny
zomgarcwind (1) - Jackrito
Prophylaxis(1) - SorenBlade
Jackrito (1) - tomsloger
Cythare (1) -Prophylaxis
Huntzilla (1) - Ghosting
1.11
Ghosting (4) - Lil4leafclover, D_V, Huntzilla, Huntzilla
Gentleman Johnny (3) - Scarbo , Cythare, zomgarcwind
Mindreaver (1) - Gentleman Johnny
zomgarcwind (1) - Jackrito
Prophylaxis(1) - SorenBlade
Jackrito (1) - tomsloger
Cythare (1) -Prophylaxis
Kosakosa (1) - Mindreaver
1.12
Ghosting (4) - Lil4leafclover, D_V, Huntzilla, Huntzilla
D_V (4) - Ghosting, shadowlancerx, Silvercrys3467,Prophylaxis
Gentleman Johnny (2) - zomgarcwind, Cythare
Mindreaver (1) - Gentleman Johnny
zomgarcwind (1) - Jackrito
Prophylaxis(1) - SorenBlade
Jackrito (1) - tomsloger
Kosakosa (1) - Mindreaver
1.13
D_V (5) - Ghosting, shadowlancerx, Silvercrys3467,Prophylaxis, Kosakosa
Ghosting (3) - Huntzilla, Huntzilla, D_V
Gentleman Johnny (1) - Cythare
Mindreaver (1) - Gentleman Johnny
zomgarcwind (1) - Jackrito
Prophylaxis(1) - SorenBlade
Jackrito (1) - tomsloger
Kosakosa (1) - Mindreaver
SorenBlade (1) - Vaimes
Modnote: Due to replacement, Shockwave08’s vote has been reset.
1.14
D_V (5) - Ghosting, shadowlancerx, Silvercrys3467,Prophylaxis, Kosakosa
Ghosting (3) - Huntzilla, Huntzilla, D_V
Gentleman Johnny (1) - Cythare
Mindreaver (1) - Gentleman Johnny
zomgarcwind (1) - Jackrito
Prophylaxis(1) - SorenBlade
Jackrito (1) - tomsloger
SorenBlade (1) - Vaimes
1.15
D_V (3) - Ghosting, Kosakosa, INeedANewName
Ghosting (1) - D_V
Gentleman Johnny (1) - Cythare
zomgarcwind (1) - Jackrito
Kosakosa (1) - tomsloger
INeedANewName (1) - Vaimes
Scarbo (1) - Prophylaxis
1.16
D_V (4) - Ghosting, Kosakosa, INeedANewName , Cythare
Kosakosa (4) - tomsloger, D_V, Gentleman Johnny, Jackrito
INeedANewName (1) - Vaimes
Scarbo (1) -Prophylaxis
No Lynch (1) - Scarbo
1.17
D_V (3) - Ghosting, INeedANewName , Cythare
Kosakosa (3) - tomsloger, , Gentleman Johnny, Jackrito
INeedANewName (3) - Vaimes, Silvercrys3467, D_V
Scarbo (1) -Prophylaxis
tomsloger (1) - shadowlancerx
No Lynch (1) - Scarbo
1.18
INeedANewName (6) - Vaimes, Silvercrys3467, D_V, Huntzilla, Huntzilla, shadowlancerx
D_V (3) - Ghosting, INeedANewName , Cythare
Kosakosa (3) - tomsloger, , Gentleman Johnny, Jackrito
Scarbo (2) -Prophylaxis, zomgarcwind
Silvercrys3467 (1) - Scarbo
1.19
INeedANewName (5) - Vaimes, D_V, Huntzilla, Huntzilla, shadowlancerx
Cythare (3) - INeedANewName , Gentleman Johnny, tomsloger
D_V (2) - Ghosting, , Cythare
Scarbo (2) -Prophylaxis, zomgarcwind
Kosakosa (1) - Jackrito
Shockwave07 (1) - Silvercrys3467
1.2
Cythare (8) - INeedANewName , Gentleman Johnny, tomsloger, Huntzilla, Huntzilla, zomgarcwind, D_V, Mindreaver
INeedANewName (2) - Vaimes, shadowlancerx
D_V (2) - Ghosting, Cythare
Scarbo (1) -Prophylaxis
Kosakosa (1) - Jackrito
Shockwave07 (1) - Silvercrys3467
1.21
Cythare (8) - INeedANewName , Gentleman Johnny, Huntzilla, Huntzilla, zomgarcwind, D_V, Mindreaver , Ghosting
INeedANewName (3) - Vaimes, shadowlancerx, Cythare
Scarbo (1) -Prophylaxis
Shockwave07 (1) - Silvercrys3467
Ghosting (1) - Scarbo
Day 1 Final Vote Count / Night 1 - End of the Tatami Age
Cythare (9) - INeedANewName , Gentleman Johnny, Huntzilla, Huntzilla, zomgarcwind, Mindreaver , Ghosting, Shockwave07,Prophylaxis
INeedANewName (5) - Vaimes, shadowlancerx, Cythare, D_V, Silvercrys3467
Shockwave07 (1) - Jackrito
Ghosting (1) - Scarbo
2.1
Shockwave07 (4) -Prophylaxis, Kosakosa, Silvercrys3467, Scarbo
D_V (1) - Shockwave07
INeedANewName (1) - Vaimes
Mindreaver (1) - Gentleman Johnny
Scarbo (1) - zomgarcwind
2.2
Shockwave07 (7) -Prophylaxis, Kosakosa, Silvercrys3467, Scarbo , D_V, Huntzilla, Huntzilla (L-1)
D_V (1) - Shockwave07
INeedANewName (1) - Vaimes
Mindreaver (1) - Gentleman Johnny
Scarbo (1) - zomgarcwind
2.3
Shockwave07 (5) -Prophylaxis, Kosakosa, Scarbo , Huntzilla, Huntzilla
D_V (1) - Shockwave07
INeedANewName (1) - Vaimes
Mindreaver (1) - Gentleman Johnny
Scarbo (1) - zomgarcwind
2.4
Shockwave07 (7) -Prophylaxis, Kosakosa, Scarbo , Huntzilla, Huntzilla, Gentleman Johnny, D_V (L-1)
D_V (1) - Shockwave07
INeedANewName (1) - Vaimes
Scarbo (1) - zomgarcwind
Day 2 Final Vote Count
Shockwave07 (8) -Prophylaxis, Kosakosa, Scarbo , Huntzilla, Huntzilla, D_V, Gentleman Johnny, shadowlancerx
D_V (1) - Shockwave07
INeedANewName (1) - Vaimes
Scarbo (1) - zomgarcwind
3.1
INeedANewName (4): Silvercrys3467, Ghosting, Jackrito , Mindreaver
Scarbo (2): zomgarcwind, shadowlancerx
3.2
INeedANewName (2): Ghosting, Jackrito
Mindreaver (1): Scarbo
Scarbo (1): Mindreaver
3.3
INeedANewName (3): Ghosting, Jackrito , Vaimes
Scarbo (2): Mindreaver , Silvercrys3467
Mindreaver (1): Scarbo
zomgarcwind (1): Huntzilla
Jackrito (1): Huntzilla
3.4
Scarbo (4): Mindreaver , Silvercrys3467,Prophylaxis, D_V
INeedANewName (4): Ghosting, Jackrito , Vaimes, Gentleman Johnny
Mindreaver (1): Scarbo
zomgarcwind (1): Huntzilla
Jackrito (1): Huntzilla
3.5
Scarbo (4): Mindreaver , Silvercrys3467,Prophylaxis, D_V
INeedANewName (4): Ghosting, Jackrito , Vaimes, Gentleman Johnny
zomgarcwind (1): Huntzilla
Jackrito (1): Huntzilla
Mindreaver (2): shadowlancerx, Scarbo
Day 3 Final Vote Count
INeedANewName (7): Ghosting, Jackrito , Vaimes, Gentleman Johnny, shadowlancerx, Huntzilla, Huntzilla
Scarbo (4): Mindreaver , Silvercrys3467,Prophylaxis, D_V
Mindreaver (1): Scarbo
What about the scenario that you and Vaimes are scum together? Tracker and Goon. I can see motivation for all your actions thus far. That's certainly one reason a scum!vaimes would "clear" you.
The problem is, if Silver is town, one of scarbo/jack is scum. and either you and vaimes are lying, or hunt is scum and there are only 2 left. I tend to agree that it *would* be hard to balance a scum double voter and two neutral survivors.
The other possibility is Ghosting/Proph have from day 1 hoodwinked the whole thread. I don't mind losing to a plan that bold. Especially since they both have hit targets with their abilities, and therefore aren't lying in that regard. Basically a scum!proph had no reason to come forward. And scum!ghosting doesn't make much sense with his choice of targets so far.
If I have to choose between scarbo and jack. It's scarbo. 100%. He's vanilla'd GJ, and he's been pushing for ghosting to reveal if he'd leave for days. It's CRITICAL for the scum team win that a neutral leave. They won't be able to hammer the first non-mafia vote tomorrow if both neutrals are still here.
The other piece of information that you don't have at the moment. Is that I unlocked my ability yesterday. I've used it on Silver, and that's why I'm not in his scum teams. I'd rather keep the details secret until tomorrow, so that I can hit at least one more person.
So, lets all talk about Vote Scarbo. Even if you think this is all tinfoil-hat-vaimes-and-dv-are-long-shots stuff, scarbo was scummy yesterday, and is even scummier with INNN flipping town. On a scarbo scumflip we'll need to decide if his partners are DV/Vaimes or Jack/Hunt, or just Hunt. In the event of a townflip, I have to say the team is probably Silver/Jack/??? But I honestly would be at a loss to figure out who else besides those two it could even be.
wait... if DV is scum why would you believe his vanilla claim? You know DV is town, believe his claim, and just slipped in projecting that onto a scum-DV scenario.
lynch this ffs
IDK man some people don't think before the speak they just vomit words.
We are also IDK thinking about the game.
GJ even confirmed that I was legit telling my ability.
So IDK what crack you and Silver are smoking but it isn't very good stuff because both of you seem to be forgetting key pieces of info that have been given to us by now confirmed town members.
So that he can remove himself from the pool.
Yeah its a jack into mind into hunt lynch.
Everyone go read Vaimes' iso. He only has four pages. Now go reread everything said since the start of toDay. Look at the way Scarbo, D_V, and Vaimes are talking about and to each other. They're basically all endorsing the jack/mindreaver PoE because those are the mislynches they need to win. They're trying to strong arm us into it with D_V's "confirmation."
To reiterate, Scarbo's been pushing mislynches and neutrals all game. He made Proph vanillaize GJ. His role slots quite snugly into a scum team.
Vaimes' read progressions on Shockwave, D_V, scarbo, and Mindreaver are extremely bizarre. If you didn't read his iso please go do that now. At least the first two pages. Shockwave gets town read basically all of D1 because of a single post clover made, then he suddenly drops into the PoE around the time the Cythare wagon picked up and people were talking about lynching him instead. Then Vaimes pops back into the thread D2 just to say he endorses the Shockwave lynch. D_V gets an earlyish townread then gets hard defended most of the day before mysteriously slipping into the PoE block on D2 so he could be plausibly cleared by the item Vaimes got from Kosa on N1. He's had scarbo in his PoE for Days and never tracks him, and is right now trying to lynch the same people as him while saying he's probably scum over me. He scum read Mindreaver early, focusing on him for several posts before saying "I'm ok with him now" but leaves him in the PoE. Then he puts him in his town block, moves him back off the town block, then half-tracks him instead of any of his stronger scum reads like NewName or Jack. His role also fits on a scum team nicely because they should have an investigative to help them direct the roleblocker.
D_V is endorsing the same PoE as both of them, is "cleared" because of Vaimes, and a D_V scum flip resolves the voting dichotomies Vaimes pointed out between Huntzilla and Mindreaver just as well as either of them. He's out right refusing to vote outside of Jack toDay. I haven't looked closely at D_V's earlier stuff so I'm sure there's more than that, but that's enough for now. His claim could be scum or town. I guess it's not super likely that there's a redirector, a roleblocker, and a duelist on the scum team, though. Ugh.
There's a chance it's like Jack instead of D_V or something, maybe. But D_V's continued smearing of me isn't making me think it's Jack. There's literally no reason town!D_V cannot suspect Vaimes of pocketing him by checking him. It's perfectly plausible and his refusal to even consider it makes me more sure it's him over Jack. Because if we can lynch Scarbo or Vaimes, we won't lose outright when Ghosting and Proph leave. That's why there's so much pushback against lynching Scarbo from them.
@D_V:
Mindreaver used his ability on me. It basically confirms him from my PoV. It isn't him. I'm pretty sure we just lose to scum!Huntz if he still has both votes regardless of the number of players left on the scum team. It's not something I can prove with math, it's a feeling I have about the way the game will play out. If he loses his votes then we don't lose and can reevaluate in F3 or whatever. Help me lynch Scarbo and Vaimes, then ya'll can argue in circles about whether it's you, Jack or Huntz/Mindreaver in the F3.
excuse me?
>It basically confirms him from my PoV.
define basically
it makes no sense for a scum!Vaimes to clear a scum!DV. if either flipped the other would be instantly implicated.
Why do you care? Why defend them?
because I'm trying to solve the game
re: Mindreaver, there's two things: the ability itself is probably not scum-aligned, and targeting me with it is more likely to come from town!Mindreaver than scum!Mindreaver. There are other, better targets for scum.
What do you think of Vaimes' progression? I'd be willing to consider lynching him instead of you toDay. I'll sort D_V/Huntz/Jack later, or they'll be the F3 and can duke it out I guess.
I just need to go look at your read progression like I did Vaimes, I guess.
Literally look at my post 1693 It is colorized and everything.
That memory of yours is totally wrong.
I'm willing to play ball on that.
But you guys gotta share what it is.
When you post scum teams that literally can't exist I have no faith in your ability to "Confirm" somebody.
What if the remaining members are
Jack Vaimes Proph?
I'm waiting for proph to rejoin the game again.
But to explain the problem. He got redirected to Scarbo night 2, and then said he targeted him night 3.
Obviously you're not scum if Vaimes is town.
But I spent very little time on those two teams anyway, so I don't know what the big deal is.
It's Mind's ability, so I'm not going to reveal it unless he's in imminent danger of being lynched.
Proph didn't get redirected to scarbo. He was redirected by scarbo to GJ. Maybe I'm misremembering, but isn't that what scarbo said? Cause on N1 you got vanillaized, right? Then on N2 Scarbo made Proph vanillaize GJ. Then on N3 Scarbo got it. I thought.
I only voted INANN because he was my counterwagon and I knew my alignment. If someone said they were going to vig me guess what I'd do: redirect them.
GJ was only a brief scum read, reignited by a bout of paranoia I've already explained. zomg is the only person I've been totally wrong about so far.
I'm really struggling to see how mindreaver CAN'T be scum. behaviorally he's been terrible. POE leads right to him. You'll probably need to share more details about this later.
I'm seeing Vaimes and INANN as basically the same- classic disengaged town. There's a difference between that and scum-lurking.
@DV: no, >I< redirected Proph N2 to GJ. He targeted me last night. I didn't redirect anyone. Proph is neutral. look elsewhere.
can someone remind me exactly what cleared silver to GJ? not doubting him, just can't find the details from his iso. role copping?
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Vote: jackrito
You really are troubling right now.
JACK/VAIMES/PROPH????? You literally have said maybe three times today that vaimes clearing you as scum makes no sense. That hunt/mind is the team with jack. Where on earth did this proph thing come from? Oh wait, you've been testing the waters on killing the neutral that isn't close to leaving. Let me ask this to the thread at large: If ghosting leaves tonight, we lynch proph OR town today, and hunt dies overnight, what happens tomorrow? The answer: scum sits, waits for any non-mafia vote at all, and hammers for the win.
@DV explain your change on Scarbo. Why was he a good vote for all of yesterday, but now is not? Why was Zomg better? What has Jack done that is scummier than Scarbo? Why are you pushing literally anyone BUT scarbo (me, jack, proph, hunt, vaimes???)?
I'll consider revealing my ability. I'd be happier to do it if somebody I didn't suspect so completely was asking. So in that light: @Zomg - if you think it would help you come to a conclusion, to know, let me know. Also, we ever gonna hear about the red pill?