@Atogaholic: Okay, now can answer that question now that I know that it's towards me, not asking Rodemy about himself.
Earlier in the game I was questioning if he was town (leaning town to be clear). After the call for vanillas to claim I'm questioning if he might be scum. Either way, trying to solidify a read one way or another.
And about Ghosting, I have to make my judgement on what I feel about his content. Not enough has been said since to change my mind. Though if he continues to lurk, won't mind a lynch here.
Just had a town nightmare game not too long ago with a Day 1 no lynch, a triple cop claim starting with a town fake claiming a scum result on the town cop, and the real cops result countering the counter claim, but not looking at the real one at all, a claim back off by the initiator, lynch of the real cop, doc missing a chance to doc the real cop result, a townie guarding the first fake claimer, who then went on to Day 4 being the modkill for inactivity ending the game, and giving the lurkers a win handed to them.
That's certainly a reaction of some kind.
Nice OMGUS.
I think you're scummy, and I gave legitimate, logic-driven reasons for said read, and I think that in this five role setup, the scum read I have that is trying to refute that the cop is a trap in this game very well might be the traitor.
Do you agree that a traitor would be pro-cop?
If yes, do you agree that it's not a stretch to think that a scum read who is pro-cop might be traitor?
We only have two scum roles in the game, and I'm pretty sure the one who gets read as town by the cop is going to want the cop to be paid attention to.
And about Ghosting, I have to make my judgement on what I feel about his content. Not enough has been said since to change my mind. Though if he continues to lurk, won't mind a lynch here.
Not enough has been said, until I decided you weren't town, right?
Just had a town nightmare game not too long ago with a Day 1 no lynch, a triple cop claim starting with a town fake claiming a scum result on the town cop, and the real cops result countering the counter claim, but not looking at the real one at all, a claim back off by the initiator, lynch of the real cop, doc missing a chance to doc the real cop result, a townie guarding the first fake claimer, who then went on to Day 4 being the modkill for inactivity ending the game, and giving the lurkers a win handed to them.
Wake up people!
What you're suggesting here is that your scum reads are the lurkers, right? If I'm one of your scumreads, and am posting relatively content-rich posts, how is this relevant and not just being said to fear monger?
Okay. I'll start here... What's the code for the headslapping smiley? The cop is a trap and very likely the traitor? No.
This is an open setup and the cop is very much town. Nothing is keeping scum from counterclaiming cop to introduce WIFOM besides maybe personal play preference.
A traitor being pro-cop? You mean for mechanically (no) or for by action? The second one is ambiguous, as it would vary greatly based on who is the cop and who is showing a pro cop attitude... Who at the moment is no one to my knowledge. You and Atogaholic actually are talking that down. It's not without some merit, but evading the Day 1 lynch, the cop has a 40% chance of coming into Day 2 with a meaningful result, including scenarios where the cop is the NK.
Grandmother has a better chance of being the win come Day 2, but one could argue that it is a trap as well. Only if Grandmother survives Night 1 does she have a 66% chance of winning the game. But she has to avoid the lynch and a NK as well.
I am more worried about the NK taking her, one reason why I am against claims other than pre-lynch ones.
...Got sidetracked there.
A scum read that is pro-cop? Based on WIFOM, my gut would lean yes. But this is a player to player thing. I've gotten night killed once based on one mafia team player feeling an action of mine was townie, while a townie was still looking at me like scum for it... Yes it was in the game I mentioned above.
And do I think a scum is amongst the lurkers? Yes, possibly. Like I've said before I've fear mongered in games as town, so I have to watch the context to determine purpose.
Though I am glad your posting. Not going to stop looking at you though.
It's not without some merit, but evading the Day 1 lynch, the cop has a 40% chance of coming into Day 2 with a meaningful result, including scenarios where the cop is the NK.
Grandmother has a better chance of being the win come Day 2, but one could argue that it is a trap as well. Only if Grandmother survives Night 1 does she have a 66% chance of winning the game. But she has to avoid the lynch and a NK as well.
Let me stop you right there. I get that cops are usually a strong role but it’s just not arguable that the cop in this setup is unreliable. First of all, you need to factor “evading the D1 lynch” into your probability. As I stated earlier, the math on the actual chance the cop gets a usable scum result is less than 10%. But also, even in that tiny probability there are still many scenarios where the cop is still useless. Think of this hypothetical situation:
There’s a masslclaim Day 1, and the cop and grandmother are both counterclaimed. The town lynches one of the grandmothers, and correctly kill the traitor. The goon is one of the claimed cops, and kills the real grandmother overnight. Now, the cop can easily get a scum result on the goon, but what use is that when the goon can just as easily fake a scum result on the cop ? Moreover, what’s the point of even having the ability if the cop already knows who the scum and town are due to poe ?
Not that the cop is completely useless though ! It actually adds a lot of power to the town by virtue of Not Being Vanilla, and stops the scum from being able to hide themselves in the vanilla town claims. But in terms of the cop’s power, it’s just too weak to consider not massclaiming for it.
Now the grandmother is actually far stronger, I have to admit there might be some merit in holding off the massclaim in order to protect this role. But it's a risk that I don't think we have to take, because I have a strategy that I think will win this.
Ghosting, I think is definitely town. His posts all shows signs of being genuinely and honestly thought out. I agree with everything he says, and he’s not just reiterating anything but he’s bringing up new points every time. For example, I like his thinking that the traitor physiologically more inclined to prefer the cop alive, and it’s something that I might not have been able to think of myself. He is putting effort into figuring out this game and it is showing.
I thought more about Huntzilla and I don’t think he’s as towny as I was thinking earlier. I’m not as confident in the “confidence” towntell as I think it’s something that Huntzilla can conceivably fake. I remember reading Predator Mafia where Sir Chris cleared Huntzilla off of his town confidence (which is where I learned that tell actually, it’s been very very useful in a lot of my games), meaning that Huntz definitely knows about it and could definitely fake it. His posting and content is also lagging behind in this thread, with the same number of posts as the mod.
I would put him back along with Shockwave and Rodemy in the “null” category.
So at this point, I think that due to poe there are exactly 2 scum in {Huntzilla, Shockwave, Rodemy}.
I definitely think we should massclaim this weekend (remember the lynch deadline is Monday).
Note that I probably won’t be able to post until tomorrow night (~18 hours from now), so I want this to proceed even if I’m not there.
Here’s how I think we should do it: first Huntzilla, Shockwave, and Rodemy claim, in any order. Once these three are done Ghosting and I will claim. If we do it this way, at least one of the scums will have to counterclaim either me or Ghosting. (There are actually other claims they could do but those would pretty much be suicide) From there we simply have to lynch that person to guarantee a scum lynch toDay.
Now I know this strategy rests heavily on my townread of Ghosting being right, and I really think it is. It also relies on Ghosting’s confidence that I am town which seems to be the case and I hope it stays that way. Honestly if Ghosting is scum this game, he probably deserves the win because he’s playing better than anyone else anyways.
Being aggressive is the ONLY way we can catch scum D1
I was wondering if a mass claim would help since we know what the roles are..
We lynch the inconsistencies.
Discuss.
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Question for all... What do you think is the likeliest way to get to a town win? Scum hunt regularly? Mass Claim? Randomize day one (hunting still is fine) hope for information from the cop tomorrow?
Here’s my thoughts on this. I don’t think this game can solved by traditional scumhunting, because we are hunting, essentially, two neutrals. The normal rule of uninformed majority/informed minority don’t apply here, for example there 0 point in figuring out who’s trying to push mislynches because the scum don’t even know what the mislynches are, and we can’t even see if a flip is town or not !
So, you guys can still go for traditional scumhunting if you want, but I’m gonna try to ignore all of that because it’s
The way we need to win this game is though townclearing and poe. I think massclaiming is crucial to making this work. Massclaims are especially powerful this game because each role is a unique role - meaning that BOTH scum members will be forced to counterclaim or be counterclaimed this game. If we can manage to townclear correctly this will be our avenue to victory.
However, I don’t think it’s a good idea to claim immediately but to wait until the end of Day 1. (Maybe 3-2 days before the deadline.) That way we all have the opportunity to form our own opinions and town blocs first. If activity starts to stagnate halfway through the Day though, it might be a good idea to move up the massclaim to get the tread going again.
Finally, about the cop, I think that this is a nefarious trap put into the setup by our dear host Bur. Think about it, for it to even do anything both the cop and the goon need to be among the last 3 players alive. On top of that, the cop will have 4 options to choose form Night 1, which is a 75% chance of missing. And on top of that, scumhunting isn’t effective this game so they won’t have that to point them to the right target. Overall it’s a very conditional role and we shouldn’t be afraid of losing it to make a massclaim happen.
Yada yada... "essentially two nuetrals..."
No. One is very much not a nuetral
Posting to sound town, little slip on your point.
I can keep this up all day
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I'm staying on atog for the sheer fact that i know he is scum now.
Shock, vote atog and we will lynch ghosting tomorrow
Unfortunatley for ghosting, the scumkill tonight will confirm who is telling the truth (if we lynch atog tonight.. which we really should)
Also, atog has been townclearing ghosting all game. The two go hand in hand.
If you want to be stubborn, fine, but i think at this point you should see how i have been pushing the massclaim, willing to claim asap, and how atog was scummy from first post.
From there we lynch ghosting and win!
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The only claim Rodemy had left was VT unless he decided to cc Shock or Hunt, so it's not as though Atog is necessarily confirmed scum at this point -- to assume so is flawed; same with saying because he is town reading me, I need to be lynched as well (nobody knows who anybody is, so Atog could've chosen anyone).
More interestingly, I'm actually the cop, so I suggest we lynch Shock and then Rodemy after, barring any interactions I need to analyze.
I also think Shock knows I'm the cop and that's why he said that he knows I have to CC someone and feels comfortable voting me -- as if he knew I would CC him as cop.
So I'm going with what seems the best play if I can get us to agree on it.
If the following is true: true!cop claim, true!grandmother claim, one of Atog or Rodemy making a true!Vanilla claim, the following remain in you three (Atog, Ghosting, Rodemy) traitor, and Goon.
We lynch Ghosting (as both of you don't wish to lynch him making him possible scum #2) all remaining options are bad for scum:
Shoot vanilla, outing himself a liar, leaving cop and grandma to clean up.
Shoot cop, leaving town aligned player to vote anyone but grandma for win.
Shoot grandma, I cop one vanilla claim, proving one or the other the liar.
I'm sticking with this as long as I think a lynch here is possible.
And since I didn't refresh the page, thanks for outing yourself Ghosting. Might have at least questioned things any other way.
Townies, please review my and Ghosting's actions to see who is telling the truth. Then vote.
Considering you were one of my scum reads before, and are claiming my role, and you said that you're comfortable voting me before hearing what I even claimed, I'm going to come to conclusions.
Rodemy supporting the lynch means essentially nothing as I want him lynched so he has to be against either me or Shock, and Shock is on his side.
So I'm going with what seems the best play if I can get us to agree on it.
If the following is true: true!cop claim, true!grandmother claim, one of Atog or Rodemy making a true!Vanilla claim, the following remain in you three (Atog, Ghosting, Rodemy) traitor, and Goon.
We lynch Ghosting (as both of you don't wish to lynch him making him possible scum #2) all remaining options are bad for scum:
Shoot vanilla, outing himself a liar, leaving cop and grandma to clean up.
Shoot cop, leaving town aligned player to vote anyone but grandma for win.
Shoot grandma, I cop one vanilla claim, proving one or the other the liar.
I'm sticking with this as long as I think a lynch here is possible.
Additionally, these scenarios assume you are cop. For anyone else who is actually looking to win, they can't take these at face value.
Also, Cop can't "prove" anyone's alignment as nobody will know if you're lying. To suggest that you can just cop someone and it'll all workout for us is entirely misleading.
Saying "both of you don't want to lynch him so he's probably scum" is also entirely fallacious, as neither of them know what my role is,
Its essentially down to huntz to decide who to kill. Seeing as shock and I are confident in who scum is, i say we should be followed.
Scum is ghosting and atog.
Game over, lynch and go home.
And seeing how bad ghosting is fighting not to be lynched, pretty sure he is goon.
If we dont lose tomorrow, goon is still alive. Cop me or atog doesnt matter.if you die, we lynched the traitor and atog is the goon.
Either way, i like a ghosting lynch to start it off. And i have a hard time seeing him as town, seeing as you claimed cop first and that would take balls if you were scum.
Also, ghosts reaction to you "claiming" his role doesnt seem legit.
Currently thinking through what's been discussed. Will post decision in about 6 hours or so.
One question right away... @Rodemy
Why is it that you as scum could never have breadcrumbed vanilla knowing that you were going to have to? Deciding to crumb before you even started posting seems logical for the scum to do.
You were for holding off a massclaim to "protect the grandmother
LOL. You misrepped me hard earlier saying I'm eager to lynch or whatever, I completely destroy you in that argument and you just lurk and come back ignoring that and voting me. And now you misrep me again saying I was against a MC when I was the guy keeping the thread together and organizing it ?? Man it's like playing a Mafia game with Donald Trump.
Also, nice job with your fake breadcrumb. When the rest of us were trying to actually get the game solved, you were thinking about your own survival.
But whatever, it looks like the scumteam turned out unsurprisingly to be Rodemy and Shockwave. @Huntzilla, when you get here get on this *****.
Seeing as shock and I are confident in who scum is, i say we should be followed.
But how could town be confident in that? The only read I'm confident in, is my read on Shockwave, because I know that he's lying. I'm fairly confident you're the other scum based on behavioural analysis, but I can't be confident in that. Suggesting that you should be followed by an arbitrarily valuable confidence is coercive play.
And seeing how bad ghosting is fighting not to be lynched, pretty sure he is goon.
If you'd like to use hyperbolic and fallacious arguments, we can go there. I'm not "badly fighting to not be lynched", and you couldn't quote anything that supports what you're saying as I've only broken apart Shockwave's wholly misleading "good scenarios for town" (see posts #86 and #87 for this rebuttal), cc'ed him, and now, am pointing out the flaws in your defense of Shockwave.
Interesting question: you don't know if Shockwave's lying. What if he is?
What if I had claimed cop first and he had cc'ed me?
If we dont lose tomorrow, goon is still alive. Cop me or atog doesnt matter.if you die, we lynched the traitor and atog is the goon.
There is no evidence this is what will happen, yet you speak in absolutes.
Either way, i like a ghosting lynch to start it off. And i have a hard time seeing him as town, seeing as you claimed cop first and that would take balls if you were scum.
Why would it take balls as scum? Shock was one of the first to claim, so he knows that he is actually in a better position than anyone who cc'ed -- do you not remember the specific discussion we all had about those who claim earlier are better off?
Shock, as scum, only has one option: to fake claim. He either would have to claim grandmother, VT, or cop. Why does cop specifically have more balls than any of those?
Also, ghosts reaction to you "claiming" his role doesnt seem legit.
What about it doesn't seem legit? How else do you suggest a reaction look? Let me guess: it just "feels off"?
Except i already breadcrumbed claiming vanillia in the beginning of the game. I then asked if the vanillia would claim,
As this has already been addressed, I won't beat a dead horse, but scum can breadcrumb and many have. To suggest that you breadcrumbing clears you is a poor attempt at gaining role confirmation.
Additionally, Atog and Hunt have both had town play this game, whereas we were scumreading both you and Shock before roles were even revealed. That contribution to your current fallacious play is certainly telling (on top of the fact I am 100% confident Shock is lying).
Either way, this game is almost over, the next vote closes it.
I am just as confident you are scum Ghosting, and right now people have to look at play. People's actions and how they reacted to them. One of us is a liar and I know it isn't me.
Plus Atog's actions around us seals it in my books, I want Huntzilla to look there from a town and scum perspective looking for which makes more sense.
Either way, this game is almost over, the next vote closes it.
I am just as confident you are scum Ghosting, and right now people have to look at play. People's actions and how they reacted to them. One of us is a liar and I know it isn't me.
Plus Atog's actions around us seals it in my books, I want Huntzilla to look there from a town and scum perspective looking for which makes more sense.
So if people are left to look at play, why would fallacious, hyperbolic, misconstrued, coercive play be town?
Because that's what Rodemy's #88 is full of (my #93 explains this).
Unless you want to defend his post and somehow refute that.
I am just as confident you are scum Ghosting, and right now people have to look at play. People's actions and how they reacted to them. One of us is a liar and I know it isn't me.
Plus Atog's actions around us seals it in my books, I want Huntzilla to look there from a town and scum perspective looking for which makes more sense.
Agree with this 100% Looking at play and at who was trying to solve the game, it become obvious
Right now I can put Rodemy and Atog aside, as the cop role can prove who is or isn't the mafia goon.
Your right, people not from either of our perspectives can't take our words at face value. They have to look at motive.
And right now if I am lying, the win scenario's I listed would work just as well from your perspective, if you were the cop.
All we have to do is sort who is telling the truth. I don't mind dying Tomorrow, if the grandmother role lives, to seal the game. Either way this is just WIFOM, if I'm lying.
Also, these reads are both fencesits.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
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Just had a town nightmare game not too long ago with a Day 1 no lynch, a triple cop claim starting with a town fake claiming a scum result on the town cop, and the real cops result countering the counter claim, but not looking at the real one at all, a claim back off by the initiator, lynch of the real cop, doc missing a chance to doc the real cop result, a townie guarding the first fake claimer, who then went on to Day 4 being the modkill for inactivity ending the game, and giving the lurkers a win handed to them.
Wake up people!
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That's certainly a reaction of some kind.
Nice OMGUS.
I think you're scummy, and I gave legitimate, logic-driven reasons for said read, and I think that in this five role setup, the scum read I have that is trying to refute that the cop is a trap in this game very well might be the traitor.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
If yes, do you agree that it's not a stretch to think that a scum read who is pro-cop might be traitor?
We only have two scum roles in the game, and I'm pretty sure the one who gets read as town by the cop is going to want the cop to be paid attention to.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Not enough has been said, until I decided you weren't town, right?
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
What you're suggesting here is that your scum reads are the lurkers, right? If I'm one of your scumreads, and am posting relatively content-rich posts, how is this relevant and not just being said to fear monger?
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Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
This is an open setup and the cop is very much town. Nothing is keeping scum from counterclaiming cop to introduce WIFOM besides maybe personal play preference.
A traitor being pro-cop? You mean for mechanically (no) or for by action? The second one is ambiguous, as it would vary greatly based on who is the cop and who is showing a pro cop attitude... Who at the moment is no one to my knowledge. You and Atogaholic actually are talking that down. It's not without some merit, but evading the Day 1 lynch, the cop has a 40% chance of coming into Day 2 with a meaningful result, including scenarios where the cop is the NK.
Grandmother has a better chance of being the win come Day 2, but one could argue that it is a trap as well. Only if Grandmother survives Night 1 does she have a 66% chance of winning the game. But she has to avoid the lynch and a NK as well.
I am more worried about the NK taking her, one reason why I am against claims other than pre-lynch ones.
...Got sidetracked there.
A scum read that is pro-cop? Based on WIFOM, my gut would lean yes. But this is a player to player thing. I've gotten night killed once based on one mafia team player feeling an action of mine was townie, while a townie was still looking at me like scum for it... Yes it was in the game I mentioned above.
And do I think a scum is amongst the lurkers? Yes, possibly. Like I've said before I've fear mongered in games as town, so I have to watch the context to determine purpose.
Though I am glad your posting. Not going to stop looking at you though.
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There’s a masslclaim Day 1, and the cop and grandmother are both counterclaimed. The town lynches one of the grandmothers, and correctly kill the traitor. The goon is one of the claimed cops, and kills the real grandmother overnight. Now, the cop can easily get a scum result on the goon, but what use is that when the goon can just as easily fake a scum result on the cop ? Moreover, what’s the point of even having the ability if the cop already knows who the scum and town are due to poe ?
Not that the cop is completely useless though ! It actually adds a lot of power to the town by virtue of Not Being Vanilla, and stops the scum from being able to hide themselves in the vanilla town claims. But in terms of the cop’s power, it’s just too weak to consider not massclaiming for it.
Now the grandmother is actually far stronger, I have to admit there might be some merit in holding off the massclaim in order to protect this role. But it's a risk that I don't think we have to take, because I have a strategy that I think will win this.
Ghosting, I think is definitely town. His posts all shows signs of being genuinely and honestly thought out. I agree with everything he says, and he’s not just reiterating anything but he’s bringing up new points every time. For example, I like his thinking that the traitor physiologically more inclined to prefer the cop alive, and it’s something that I might not have been able to think of myself. He is putting effort into figuring out this game and it is showing.
I thought more about Huntzilla and I don’t think he’s as towny as I was thinking earlier. I’m not as confident in the “confidence” towntell as I think it’s something that Huntzilla can conceivably fake. I remember reading Predator Mafia where Sir Chris cleared Huntzilla off of his town confidence (which is where I learned that tell actually, it’s been very very useful in a lot of my games), meaning that Huntz definitely knows about it and could definitely fake it. His posting and content is also lagging behind in this thread, with the same number of posts as the mod.
I would put him back along with Shockwave and Rodemy in the “null” category.
I definitely think we should massclaim this weekend (remember the lynch deadline is Monday).
Note that I probably won’t be able to post until tomorrow night (~18 hours from now), so I want this to proceed even if I’m not there.
Here’s how I think we should do it: first Huntzilla, Shockwave, and Rodemy claim, in any order. Once these three are done Ghosting and I will claim. If we do it this way, at least one of the scums will have to counterclaim either me or Ghosting. (There are actually other claims they could do but those would pretty much be suicide) From there we simply have to lynch that person to guarantee a scum lynch toDay.
Now I know this strategy rests heavily on my townread of Ghosting being right, and I really think it is. It also relies on Ghosting’s confidence that I am town which seems to be the case and I hope it stays that way. Honestly if Ghosting is scum this game, he probably deserves the win because he’s playing better than anyone else anyways.
Fine. Might as well get this out of the way then.
I'm the cop.
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Gran Gran?! ...Mot my first guess but...
Still have others to claim. Seems we've fallen into order 5 of Ghosting's random claim orders.
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Wanted to see if anyone would claim first so i could jumo on them.
Also, look at the post of me suggesting the claim.
Being Aggressive Is The....
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Idk who i am voting right now, on my phone. Don't want copy and paste.
So
unvote, vote atog
I am, of course, the real vanilla
vote: Rodemy
Yeah. No.
You kept your vote on me waaayy too long.
You were for holding off a massclaim to "protect the grandmother"
Lynch em.
Yada yada... "essentially two nuetrals..."
No. One is very much not a nuetral
Posting to sound town, little slip on your point.
I can keep this up all day
*drops mic* can we lynch him and ghosting please and win?
Which with Rodemy's vanilla claim, sounds like he was going to claim that back then.
Still, that also leaves Ghosting where he has to counterclaim someone as well.
And ironically we're back to Rodemy being voted by Atog.
...And we still held claim pattern 5.
Will look at both of you, but my vote on Ghosting feels comfortable right now.
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Shock, vote atog and we will lynch ghosting tomorrow
Unfortunatley for ghosting, the scumkill tonight will confirm who is telling the truth (if we lynch atog tonight.. which we really should)
Also, atog has been townclearing ghosting all game. The two go hand in hand.
If you want to be stubborn, fine, but i think at this point you should see how i have been pushing the massclaim, willing to claim asap, and how atog was scummy from first post.
From there we lynch ghosting and win!
More interestingly, I'm actually the cop, so I suggest we lynch Shock and then Rodemy after, barring any interactions I need to analyze.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Vote Shockwave
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
So I'm going with what seems the best play if I can get us to agree on it.
If the following is true: true!cop claim, true!grandmother claim, one of Atog or Rodemy making a true!Vanilla claim, the following remain in you three (Atog, Ghosting, Rodemy) traitor, and Goon.
We lynch Ghosting (as both of you don't wish to lynch him making him possible scum #2) all remaining options are bad for scum:
Shoot vanilla, outing himself a liar, leaving cop and grandma to clean up.
Shoot cop, leaving town aligned player to vote anyone but grandma for win.
Shoot grandma, I cop one vanilla claim, proving one or the other the liar.
I'm sticking with this as long as I think a lynch here is possible.
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Townies, please review my and Ghosting's actions to see who is telling the truth. Then vote.
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Yeah, that was a slow spiral downward if i ever saw one.
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Considering you were one of my scum reads before, and are claiming my role, and you said that you're comfortable voting me before hearing what I even claimed, I'm going to come to conclusions.
Rodemy supporting the lynch means essentially nothing as I want him lynched so he has to be against either me or Shock, and Shock is on his side.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Additionally, these scenarios assume you are cop. For anyone else who is actually looking to win, they can't take these at face value.
Also, Cop can't "prove" anyone's alignment as nobody will know if you're lying. To suggest that you can just cop someone and it'll all workout for us is entirely misleading.
Saying "both of you don't want to lynch him so he's probably scum" is also entirely fallacious, as neither of them know what my role is,
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Scum is ghosting and atog.
Game over, lynch and go home.
And seeing how bad ghosting is fighting not to be lynched, pretty sure he is goon.
If we dont lose tomorrow, goon is still alive. Cop me or atog doesnt matter.if you die, we lynched the traitor and atog is the goon.
Either way, i like a ghosting lynch to start it off. And i have a hard time seeing him as town, seeing as you claimed cop first and that would take balls if you were scum.
Also, ghosts reaction to you "claiming" his role doesnt seem legit.
Except i already breadcrumbed claiming vanillia in the beginning of the game. I then asked if the vanillia would claim,
Also, atog didnt unvote until someone pointed it out.
Huntzilla. What say you?
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One question right away... @Rodemy
Why is it that you as scum could never have breadcrumbed vanilla knowing that you were going to have to? Deciding to crumb before you even started posting seems logical for the scum to do.
Also, nice job with your fake breadcrumb. When the rest of us were trying to actually get the game solved, you were thinking about your own survival.
But whatever, it looks like the scumteam turned out unsurprisingly to be Rodemy and Shockwave. @Huntzilla, when you get here get on this *****.
vote: Shockwave
Ghostling (2) - Shockwave07, Rodemy
Shockwave (2) - Ghostling, Atogaholic
With 5 alive, it's 3 to lynch.
But how could town be confident in that? The only read I'm confident in, is my read on Shockwave, because I know that he's lying. I'm fairly confident you're the other scum based on behavioural analysis, but I can't be confident in that. Suggesting that you should be followed by an arbitrarily valuable confidence is coercive play.
If you'd like to use hyperbolic and fallacious arguments, we can go there. I'm not "badly fighting to not be lynched", and you couldn't quote anything that supports what you're saying as I've only broken apart Shockwave's wholly misleading "good scenarios for town" (see posts #86 and #87 for this rebuttal), cc'ed him, and now, am pointing out the flaws in your defense of Shockwave.
Interesting question: you don't know if Shockwave's lying. What if he is?
What if I had claimed cop first and he had cc'ed me?
There is no evidence this is what will happen, yet you speak in absolutes.
Why would it take balls as scum? Shock was one of the first to claim, so he knows that he is actually in a better position than anyone who cc'ed -- do you not remember the specific discussion we all had about those who claim earlier are better off?
Shock, as scum, only has one option: to fake claim. He either would have to claim grandmother, VT, or cop. Why does cop specifically have more balls than any of those?
What about it doesn't seem legit? How else do you suggest a reaction look? Let me guess: it just "feels off"?
As this has already been addressed, I won't beat a dead horse, but scum can breadcrumb and many have. To suggest that you breadcrumbing clears you is a poor attempt at gaining role confirmation.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Either way, this game is almost over, the next vote closes it.
I am just as confident you are scum Ghosting, and right now people have to look at play. People's actions and how they reacted to them. One of us is a liar and I know it isn't me.
Plus Atog's actions around us seals it in my books, I want Huntzilla to look there from a town and scum perspective looking for which makes more sense.
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Gotta get those right next time around.
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So if people are left to look at play, why would fallacious, hyperbolic, misconstrued, coercive play be town?
Because that's what Rodemy's #88 is full of (my #93 explains this).
Unless you want to defend his post and somehow refute that.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Your right, people not from either of our perspectives can't take our words at face value. They have to look at motive.
And right now if I am lying, the win scenario's I listed would work just as well from your perspective, if you were the cop.
All we have to do is sort who is telling the truth. I don't mind dying Tomorrow, if the grandmother role lives, to seal the game. Either way this is just WIFOM, if I'm lying.
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