Ok, tentative town reads on Tom & Mato (& Seppel?) for being in the same situation I am. Tentative scum reads on Tammy & Mindreaver for not taking part in our discussion, esp. Tammy for apparently having no idea what I was talking about.
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Vote: Tammy
If anyone asks I don't think Iso was forgetful enough to make townies this obvious, especially not after taking so much pride in making confusing role PMs for GoldenEye. I'm betting on Tom & Mato being genuinely confused.
Well the bacon joke was just because i was thinking about what to make for breakfast, but color me confused. I still don't know what you're talking about.
also inb4 we're all pigs and therefore confusion clearing on setup is dumb in the first place because nonalignment indicative. I can't imagine iso creating a setup so stupid that it can be broken so easily like that.
I'm not super comfortable clearing anyone right now.
Scum could have false claims. Or their pms could be as unhelpful as mine is. Iso could secretly be rooting for scummindreaver.
Ok that last one is a stretch. Mindreaver can be cleared ish.
But no one else.
Mwuhahaha, my cunning plan to pretend I didn't understand my own role-name is already paying dividends!
I liked this post. I don't think it sounded forced and I think that it's something that scum is unlikely to say after getting townread for a faulty reason.
I've been playing mafia for about 5 years on several sites. I have several games on this site you should be able to find easily. You could also talk to nacho who's played with me the most out of anyone.
You could also realize you're being silly for attacking me for not knowing the mafia win condition, but hey!
But at least if you all recognize we all have pig names then you can get over this silly notion that people are somehow cleared if they bothered to read the win conditions and got confused. Gonna go out on a limb here and say any alignment would be. Also if someone points out that something is odd or wrong, anyone with half a brain could try to figure out what they mean if they were trying to get cleared by it. And scum themselves could have been genuinely confused and used that to give themselves an early easy peasy town read. You guys did this in the last game by clearing people for silly things and without caution and mafia stomped us. Don't do it again.
also inb4 we're all pigs and therefore confusion clearing on setup is dumb in the first place because nonalignment indicative. I can't imagine iso creating a setup so stupid that it can be broken so easily like that.
I am quite clearly not a pig, my name is The Baconator. But do please continue your "we're all pigs" diatribe. It really brings out the scum in you.
Tom, is this the end of our beautiful yet fleeting relationship? First you shoot me, now you want to hang me :'( Come on bby I promise to actually play this game I have a job and a place to live and shifts and stuff
I don't like Axel's mwahaha comment, joke sounds forced -.- What's with all these mysterious new people too? And by new I just mean I've never met you guys
Okay this is definitely GoldeneyeScumMatowar.
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But at least if you all recognize we all have pig names then you can get over this silly notion that people are somehow cleared if they bothered to read the win conditions and got confused. Gonna go out on a limb here and say any alignment would be. Also if someone points out that something is odd or wrong, anyone with half a brain could try to figure out what they mean if they were trying to get cleared by it. And scum themselves could have been genuinely confused and used that to give themselves an early easy peasy town read. You guys did this in the last game by clearing people for silly things and without caution and mafia stomped us. Don't do it again.
Wow I didn't expect you to actually continue down this path.
But at least if you all recognize we all have pig names then you can get over this silly notion that people are somehow cleared if they bothered to read the win conditions and got confused. Gonna go out on a limb here and say any alignment would be. Also if someone points out that something is odd or wrong, anyone with half a brain could try to figure out what they mean if they were trying to get cleared by it. And scum themselves could have been genuinely confused and used that to give themselves an early easy peasy town read. You guys did this in the last game by clearing people for silly things and without caution and mafia stomped us. Don't do it again.
I like Tammy. I was definitely a bit confused as to how I got super town cleared so quickly. You guys aren't wrong, and I can see the logic of "mafia would know they are mafia and don't care how the conditions are worded". Just seemed fast to me, and I like Tammy for agreeing.
Where? You don't look like you're playing mafia to me. Looks like semantic hoo ha to me.
I don't think you'r that dense. I don't think a town you accusing someone for having a sketchy lack of reaction when they're not in the thread. I don't think a town you doesn't recognize i'm talking about everyone having a pig pun name therefore the beginning of the game clearance is stupid and goes i'm not a pig. I notice that you passed on discussing the "confusion" every one had. I don't think a town you thinks that someone who doesn't know what's going on is actually scummy.
i recently read every forum post mato has ever made, and have been in F3 with him twice in addition to being on a jury when he was sent to trial.
his tone is pretty consistent, and not indicative.
but you can catch his mindset and intentions if you look hard enough.
assuming he participates in this game (glowers at matowar)
I have some ideas on what has stuck out to me. Some of which has already been discussed but I'll throw out the people that I took attention to on my initial read. I looked for scum mindset on this first pass. Not giving out any town passes yet.
For Tom posts #21 and #27 are going toward claiming which sticks me as out of character as I've seen him argue till his face was red saying that claiming is bad, pointless, etc. So this at least perks my interest as behavior I haven't seen in my games with Tom. #66 Nacho also noted but I wanted to mention that it also stood out to me. If you have "strong opinions" on alignment then you should be ready for some form of T/S list so it does come across as inconsistent for Tom to say he's not ready. #71 He votes Fable and wants a claim. Very aggressive, and again he's into drawing out claims again. I just haven't seen this before from Tom.
For Seppel- I think The Baconator is the most suspect of the name claims. They could all be real so this isn't a huge point to me but if there was a mod reveal that one of the claimed names was fake I would pick this one. And Seppel lies in most of the games I've played with him in so there is that. #82 Votes Tammy on the "we are all pigs" sentiment, which I sort of like, though I'm not familiar if Tammy is a push over or not. It seems like it could either be a sweet catch or a bad mislynch. More on Tammy below.
Vaimes #43 Seems like fluff. I'm not seeing much else that I don't like.
Fable #70 Is fluff too.
Tammy #55 Looking for the bad pigs. What? #58 Why is she confused? I'm confused on what she is confused about. Says she didn't read the Mafia win-con. That's a little gross. #62 Says we are all pigs. #79 Starts coming across as very defensive and says "you guys" threw the game to the scum last time for voting people for silly reasons. First off, who does "you guys" refer to? In addition, What were the silly reasons? Give me some concrete examples that somehow relate to this current situation. #85 votes Seppel sort of OMGUS, but I can understand this also being town feeling that they are getting picked on unfairly. I've felt that way before as well. #87 Claims people aren't playing Mafia. Not sure what she means by this. #89 She says that she thinks everyone has a pig-pun name so name-gaming is pointless but she has asked multiple times for people to name-claim for her “theory”.
So that's where I'm at so far.
Tammy seems like she may have made some slips already, but I'm not confident on that because again, I see some of myself in her defensive posts.
Tom seems different for the reasons I stated about. Maybe he's finally taken to claims? Still I want to keep an eye on him.
Where? You don't look like you're playing mafia to me. Looks like semantic hoo ha to me.
I don't think you'r that dense. I don't think a town you accusing someone for having a sketchy lack of reaction when they're not in the thread. I don't think a town you doesn't recognize i'm talking about everyone having a pig pun name therefore the beginning of the game clearance is stupid and goes i'm not a pig. I notice that you passed on discussing the "confusion" every one had. I don't think a town you thinks that someone who doesn't know what's going on is actually scummy.
I think you're an opportunistic pig!
Nice try, but my name is definitely anti-pig, so I could tell exactly where the conversation was going, which was why I wanted to step back and see who would fall on their face.
Yo ZDS, why is "not knowing what's going on" scummy?
Unless they were specifically given inside information in that regard, there is no reason why the scum would know townies have piggish-sounding names (in spite of being wolves), and therefore they would not know what's strange about this game's flavour.
Re: Your vote on Matowar: Why?
That's a good point.
I'd believe it to be some kind of slip if it didn't seem like she had posted without reading anything.
w/r/t the Mato vote, you kind of answered it here:
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Regarding nameclaims: I'm going to assume until proven otherwise that all players have pig-pun names, and that Tom & Mato's revelation made it clear to the scum they could nameclaim safely (whether they knew beforehand is another question entirely!). This means that every nameclaim after Tom's and Mato's is meaningless.
Except I'm counting Mato third here, after you and tom.
For Tom posts #21 and #27 are going toward claiming which sticks me as out of character as I've seen him argue till his face was red saying that claiming is bad, pointless, etc.
to be fair to myself, i railed against a role claim just erasing all the behavior that preceded it.
flavor claims are a different matter. though again people are putting too much weight on them, so past tom was right.
also the fable thing was picking on him for [redacted], not actually pushing for a claim.
though these names are delightful and i want to know all of them.
lets talk more about tammy later. ive played with tammy, but only in an alt game in which her role was insane. i have some thoughts once more people have shared theirs.
You went looking for scum mindsets and found...nothing? And by "nothing," I mean nothing vote-worthy.
That's correct. I went through and noted everything that stood out to me. Nothing that made me want to vote. I think there is a case against Tammy and she possibly slipped but as I mentioned her defensiveness gives me some cause for trepidation based on how I've felt in similar situations early in games.
Axelrod - Town. What scum looks at their falseclaim name and says, "I don't get the pun in it"? That's just one degree beyond my belief. P. S.: Love the name.
Incidentally, what's your assumption here? The Mafia have "Wolf" names but have been given Piggy-pun false-names? Or the Mafia just have piggy-pun names too?
I understand the theory that the Mafia wouldn't know right out the gate that the Town all have piggy-sounding pun names, and wouldn't just start talking about how their names make no sense, but where would false claims come into it in that case? If the scum were specifically given false claims, then it shouldn't be a surprise to them at all, would it?
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I wouldn't put much stock in the names, but they are funny.
Patrick Swineszey, BTW.
I will catch up tonight. Big thunderstorms tore the power and phones down.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Townreads on tom are too easy. I distinctly remember Iso crying about him pretty much scumclaiming several times in Stargate and getting away with it for literally months. I don't understand any of his votes.
Tammy is fluffy and defensive and is, in fact, OMGUS'ing.
I'd like to see Matowar scumhunt so he can either clear himself or spill who his teammates are. A bit OOG, but ditto tom's request for him to participate more.
Didn't really like TS' last post.
Everyone else is either a townlean or they haven't really made an impact on me.
oops need to get used to this bored again.
Us looking for the bad pigs is in reference to this.
So which little piggy is going to slaughter?
Well the bacon joke was just because i was thinking about what to make for breakfast, but color me confused. I still don't know what you're talking about.
oh is that what you guys are going on about?
Didn't read the win conditions, go me!
Good question.
Also, po' rinds Man i used to love this things.
huh?
also inb4 we're all pigs and therefore confusion clearing on setup is dumb in the first place because nonalignment indicative. I can't imagine iso creating a setup so stupid that it can be broken so easily like that.
*mindmeld*
Way too early for a w/p list...
I have super strong opinions though.
"i'm not comfortable clearing anyone yet"
"i have super strong opinions"
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I liked this post. I don't think it sounded forced and I think that it's something that scum is unlikely to say after getting townread for a faulty reason.
unvote, vote fable
Awaiting your scumclaim
I'm Al Capork.
what up tapping? you scum bro?
Not much, I'll be around a little later tonight to see what's going on in this thread and to try and slog through "another".
Not scum, and you?
id love to hear what you think of tammy.
I hear she's pretty awesome!
What is your name by the way? I know you said no yada yada yada, but I have theory I'd like to settle, so pretty please
You could also realize you're being silly for attacking me for not knowing the mafia win condition, but hey!
But at least if you all recognize we all have pig names then you can get over this silly notion that people are somehow cleared if they bothered to read the win conditions and got confused. Gonna go out on a limb here and say any alignment would be. Also if someone points out that something is odd or wrong, anyone with half a brain could try to figure out what they mean if they were trying to get cleared by it. And scum themselves could have been genuinely confused and used that to give themselves an early easy peasy town read. You guys did this in the last game by clearing people for silly things and without caution and mafia stomped us. Don't do it again.
I was going to troll the first person who asked me and answer with "Wolf Blitzer", but you ruined it.
I sti don't want to share my name. I want to be special. Can you please let me just be special?
If Yanni were still here, he'd probably say "and I'LL puff!" and then do nothing for the rest of the game day.
I am quite clearly not a pig, my name is The Baconator. But do please continue your "we're all pigs" diatribe. It really brings out the scum in you.
Okay this is definitely GoldeneyeScumMatowar.
Wow I didn't expect you to actually continue down this path.
Unvote, vote Tammy
I want to townread you. So please name claim.
I like Tammy. I was definitely a bit confused as to how I got super town cleared so quickly. You guys aren't wrong, and I can see the logic of "mafia would know they are mafia and don't care how the conditions are worded". Just seemed fast to me, and I like Tammy for agreeing.
Matowar77 - Scum. Reads just like Goldeneye and nothing like Ace Attorney.
Vaimes - Unsure. I can't figure out his thought process.
Tammy - Scum. "HowDoYouDoFellowKids.gif"
TappingStones - Give me something.
Nachomamma07 - You too.
Huntzilla - Unposted
Fable07 - You're weird.
I don't think you are that dense.
I don't really care what the name is by the by. I just have a theory. Is it at least a pig pun?
I don't think you'r that dense. I don't think a town you accusing someone for having a sketchy lack of reaction when they're not in the thread. I don't think a town you doesn't recognize i'm talking about everyone having a pig pun name therefore the beginning of the game clearance is stupid and goes i'm not a pig. I notice that you passed on discussing the "confusion" every one had. I don't think a town you thinks that someone who doesn't know what's going on is actually scummy.
I think you're an opportunistic pig!
Something about axelrod/zds was bugging me. Glad it's just an oog relationship.
I wouldn't put much stock in the names, but they are funny.
Patrick Swineszey, BTW.
I will catch up tonight. Big thunderstorms tore the power and phones down.
his tone is pretty consistent, and not indicative.
but you can catch his mindset and intentions if you look hard enough.
assuming he participates in this game (glowers at matowar)
i hope i take my own advice.
and not for setup confusion.
For Tom posts #21 and #27 are going toward claiming which sticks me as out of character as I've seen him argue till his face was red saying that claiming is bad, pointless, etc. So this at least perks my interest as behavior I haven't seen in my games with Tom. #66 Nacho also noted but I wanted to mention that it also stood out to me. If you have "strong opinions" on alignment then you should be ready for some form of T/S list so it does come across as inconsistent for Tom to say he's not ready. #71 He votes Fable and wants a claim. Very aggressive, and again he's into drawing out claims again. I just haven't seen this before from Tom.
For Seppel- I think The Baconator is the most suspect of the name claims. They could all be real so this isn't a huge point to me but if there was a mod reveal that one of the claimed names was fake I would pick this one. And Seppel lies in most of the games I've played with him in so there is that. #82 Votes Tammy on the "we are all pigs" sentiment, which I sort of like, though I'm not familiar if Tammy is a push over or not. It seems like it could either be a sweet catch or a bad mislynch. More on Tammy below.
Vaimes #43 Seems like fluff. I'm not seeing much else that I don't like.
Fable #70 Is fluff too.
Tammy #55 Looking for the bad pigs. What? #58 Why is she confused? I'm confused on what she is confused about. Says she didn't read the Mafia win-con. That's a little gross. #62 Says we are all pigs. #79 Starts coming across as very defensive and says "you guys" threw the game to the scum last time for voting people for silly reasons. First off, who does "you guys" refer to? In addition, What were the silly reasons? Give me some concrete examples that somehow relate to this current situation. #85 votes Seppel sort of OMGUS, but I can understand this also being town feeling that they are getting picked on unfairly. I've felt that way before as well. #87 Claims people aren't playing Mafia. Not sure what she means by this. #89 She says that she thinks everyone has a pig-pun name so name-gaming is pointless but she has asked multiple times for people to name-claim for her “theory”.
So that's where I'm at so far.
Tammy seems like she may have made some slips already, but I'm not confident on that because again, I see some of myself in her defensive posts.
Tom seems different for the reasons I stated about. Maybe he's finally taken to claims? Still I want to keep an eye on him.
So yes, you totally failed there.
That's a good point.
I'd believe it to be some kind of slip if it didn't seem like she had posted without reading anything.
w/r/t the Mato vote, you kind of answered it here:
Except I'm counting Mato third here, after you and tom.
oink
You went looking for scum mindsets and found...nothing? And by "nothing," I mean nothing vote-worthy.
flavor claims are a different matter. though again people are putting too much weight on them, so past tom was right.
also the fable thing was picking on him for [redacted], not actually pushing for a claim.
though these names are delightful and i want to know all of them.
lets talk more about tammy later. ive played with tammy, but only in an alt game in which her role was insane. i have some thoughts once more people have shared theirs.
that last sentence goes for seppel too.
Tammy is town and awesome!
That's correct. I went through and noted everything that stood out to me. Nothing that made me want to vote. I think there is a case against Tammy and she possibly slipped but as I mentioned her defensiveness gives me some cause for trepidation based on how I've felt in similar situations early in games.
Do you have some T/S lists for us Vaimes?
Incidentally, what's your assumption here? The Mafia have "Wolf" names but have been given Piggy-pun false-names? Or the Mafia just have piggy-pun names too?
I understand the theory that the Mafia wouldn't know right out the gate that the Town all have piggy-sounding pun names, and wouldn't just start talking about how their names make no sense, but where would false claims come into it in that case? If the scum were specifically given false claims, then it shouldn't be a surprise to them at all, would it?
Scum?
Tammy
tomsloger
Matowar77
These are the people I want to see squirm.
Townreads on tom are too easy. I distinctly remember Iso crying about him pretty much scumclaiming several times in Stargate and getting away with it for literally months. I don't understand any of his votes.
Tammy is fluffy and defensive and is, in fact, OMGUS'ing.
I'd like to see Matowar scumhunt so he can either clear himself or spill who his teammates are. A bit OOG, but ditto tom's request for him to participate more.
Didn't really like TS' last post.
Everyone else is either a townlean or they haven't really made an impact on me.