ITT: TS bragging about "how am I not dead if I'm scum? That's like total proof that I'm town!" when the only reason for it is because we wanted the lurkers to catch up and that was repeatedly stated.
And D_V complaining about people not addressing what he's brought up
This game should be laughable if it wasn't cringe-worthy.
A guy that hasn't been playing is calling the game laughable.
What exactly have you brought up that I should be addressing?
Post #1346. You've dismissed three times and to this point didn't answer it.
I don't really have the best reason I mentioned that before.
But, I would say its more of the principle of things. KoD keeps talking about "Proper play" and doing that is anything but good mafia play.
Ts has never made such a statement. And I do agree with him out of all of the slots I found KJ's to be more suspect than Dota's. Also that isn't the only thing that TS has done. With KoD it really is the only thing other than TS's vote that I can point that actually meant anything. Otherwise he really hasn't been in this game.
I guess when I look at the individual actions there isn't a whole lot of difference, but when looking at the actions when combined with other actions, they just seem drastically different to me.
I don't really have the best reason I mentioned that before.
But, I would say its more of the principle of things. KoD keeps talking about "Proper play" and doing that is anything but good mafia play.
Ts has never made such a statement. And I do agree with him out of all of the slots I found KJ's to be more suspect than Dota's. Also that isn't the only thing that TS has done. With KoD it really is the only thing other than TS's vote that I can point that actually meant anything. Otherwise he really hasn't been in this game.
I guess when I look at the individual actions there isn't a whole lot of difference, but when looking at the actions when combined with other actions, they just seem drastically different to me.
TS has never made statements regarding proper play?! LOL WE CAN'T BE PLAYING THE SAME GAME
There are literally FIVE PAGES of TS whining on how KoD/H_T/Tom/etc should be playing instead of the way they were playing. Five. Pages.
Is there anything TS says or does that you don't agree with? You've literally defended him on just about everything, are barning/flat-out defending him since early Day 1 (accusing me of OMGUSing him and voting me, and neither of you cared to answer me with anything other than "derp this guy can't logic" when I tore down his case) and IIRC I've never seen you acknowledge a single negative point about him. Not a single one.
Are you guys confirmed Lovers (Mafia role, not IRL lol) or something? Because this doesn't ******* make sense to me.
I'm still waiting for TS to get lynched so the game can continue.
Kosa to answer your question.
Because of things like this.
This wagon has so many people voting it for so many different reasons, it just isn't concrete at all to me.
And you didn't tear his case down no matter what you say. You can repeat that and have as many others say it as you want doesn't make it right. "The world is flat". Just because I say it doesn't make it true. At the end of the day your case on TS was because he hadn't mentioned you before. That was it. And that is dumb. Your basic premise was so silly, I frankly don't care what else you had to say about the case because the base was built off of a flimsy principle.
The joke is too that the lynch TS side seems to think that if they berate the other side enough that they will come over and vote TS, and frankly it is just making us dig in harder. The joke is that the exact reason they want to lynch TS is the tool that they are using to debate. The joke is that you have a bunch of people on the lynch TS side that are just sitting back and doing nothing and then accusing others of not participating. You have people like KoD flaming replacements because they don't see it his way when he makes statements such as "Well I wouldn't say it if it isn't true". Like really?
And you want to be on board with that lynch? That seems like a good wagon to you? You just nod your head and go yeah these are good reasons, I like this lynch. Because I'm not.
This push stinks, the case stinks and the players on the lynch seem to think that they have the high ground, well clearly you don't because he isn't being lynched. So either change tactics come up with a better case or move on.
Uh, D_V? I hate to break it to you, but I think the people defending TS at this point are just you and him. Brinatoo and Mindreaver already said he'd be lynched if it weren't for the lurkers who haven't said anything yet.
TS, I could see a scum mindset for. Your votes sheeping me on Kosa and then H_T don't look good. But they aren't necessarily outside the realm of "townreading mind, and I agree, so vote". That does make sense. It's very similar to why I looked at shockwave at all (my townread silver was presenting a case, so I should look as well). I think this whole Silver/TS thing is just a quagmire, and I don't know what to make of it. From what I can see, the beginning was assumed slights and maybe even misunderstandings. But now, it's completely out of control and hurting the game. Silver isn't the lynch today, and I'm not taking him into account as far as TS is concerned either. Objectivity is gone. I don't think this lynch helps, from an information perspective. It would not tell me the alignment of H_T, nor solidify my read of KoD/Silver. It might help me clear D_V. But that's about it. I also agree with Silver's gut read here, I'm still like 60% town on TS. His tone is troubling, but it reads with frustration. I can't tell if it's the frustration of somebody rolling scum for the first time and being caught so quickly, frustration with himself for being caught in a convoluted scheme to eat a nightkill, or frustration for not being townread as town. If this is where all the town end up, I'll accept it, but I"m not ready to end the day with a TS lynch. We have time, lets make sure we don't just lynch a participating person because we don't like his content, while lurking scum sit on their asses.
I've already given plenty of reason as to why I want TS lynched.
This arguing has gone on so long that both you and TS literally pick out small things and blow them out of proportion while focusing on comments like that despite everything that has been said.
Case in point: You made an issue out of how I'm voting TS for no good reason other than to see him lynched despite my numerous other posts talking about him and arguing for his lynch. It would help if you didn't take pieces of my posts and focus on small things, but you seem prone to doing that.
* Cythare looks around at the room and hauls her basket of yarn around, then stops in front of DoTArchon, Mindreaver, Kosakosa, Killjoy, Necarg, Shockwave, and D_V. With each player, she rolls a grey and a blue ball towards TappingStones and then holds out a red ball as though offering it to them. *
If you're asking wy we're not on the wagon. Look at the list of players you're asking about. Which ones don't have a single post today? Which ones have posted once today?
There is so much for Necarg to respond to it's silly. Why aren't we waiting/prodding for that? Or for a replacement.
I don't need convincing. The case is made. It's done. I just don't want a lynch occurring before we see Citric re-read, before necarg posts, before KillJoy posts, before DoTA posts. That is a ton of people who have no interaction with TS/Silver/Myself/Half. A ton of lurky scumread mofos who I don't feel like going into D3 with nulls reads.
I mean, you can say I'm not reading Mind and call me a liar if you want, but that doesn't make it true.
And for heavens sake I never flammed Cit (I read his name as CitricBase which is why I keep calling him Cit). Cit is the one who wanted me to be direct so I gave him direct. Nothing about my post to him contains any sort of flamming whatsoever. If anything, Cit is being a hypocrite in saying I'm flamming him when he's sitting there calling me a dick regardless of how true it may be (after all it is my right in this game to question him which I have while stating my opinion concerning his post).
You just keep taking cheap shots (like TS does) where you can to fling mud and make people look bad without fact checking. And yeah, you do.
I would agree to hammer TS, if he ends up there. But not until I hear from KillJoy, DoTA, and Necarg. I'm also concerned about Tom, and if we're stuck here anyway, waiting, I think it's reasonable to do some due diligence there.
My read on TS has been leaning scum for a while (I could go find my T/S list from a few pages back, but I'm pretty sure he was yellow at the time and still is). I don't really agree with his gambit, or lying about it. That was probably the most damning thing. I'm also concerned that he was found drunk, when the town BARTENDER was found dead. I don't think the cutscene cleared him (considering the only other one was fable's), even though the ability name definitely matches Jack. The TS/Silver stuff, wasn't really great for anyone involved. As I mentioned before, he followed me on Kosa (and I was suspicious then) and he followed on H_T. It's just a pattern and a feeling, but there it is. I have a lot of townreads on his wagon, and that's also troubling.
But I will say, I'd like people to stop relying on reasons that have nothing to do with winning the game. The only two questions we should be asking are: Is TS the most likely to flip scum? and What information do we get from his flip? We should be lynching based on "what's good for the thread" or "Who line stepped first". That ***** is barely relevant.
I'm more certain on my Tom read than either my H_T or TS read after the exchanges today. Even with Tom's claim breadcrumb (lets see what fakeclaim you got Tom It didn't work for Fable). I still think H_T's lynch gives us more information than either one, but I'm less certain than I am about Tom. And there is broad spectrum where the rest of you fall in.
If he's scum, him being drunk in a cutscene would be one of the funnier reasons for being caught in any game. My luck however, probably not going to be that way.
Any wagon momentum is stalled waiting for the replacements. Either way ready for things to keep moving.
i would also love to lynch shock. just btw.
i can be in the list too if yall really want, but the scumteam is entirely contained in fable/ts/ht/shock/lurkers.
Sorry, I am here, been a rough couple of days. Two year old got a horrible stomach bug on the weekend, and yesterday my wife caught it. Barely keeping up with my other game and this one has been racing along at one hell of a clip.
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@DoT: Do you have any latinum? With you saying that nothing weird happened last Night, surely it didn't affect you since you imply you have no latinum stuff?
I used an ability last night. I got a result from the mod. Nothing odd occurred according to my result.
@Cythare (and anyone else who's asked my opinion of TS): Did you ever read the Mafia vs Werewolves game? Compare the TS meltdown there to the TS meltdown here. Almost identical. I know meta is not a 100% accurate measurement but I don't see scum!TS replicating that same level of anger and hypocrisy. This is town TS through and through.
That was a strange way to answer those questions... I was concerning latinum specifically, not only ability stuff. I will finally say that I was redirected to DoT, my ability revealed he has two latinum. An argument can be made that he didn't want to tell me because he suspected me of fishing etc. My initial target was Killjoy and I don't think he was involved in the redirection. I'll still be keeping who I think redirected to myself.
And I went through that game to see what you were talking about. And I completely disagree. TS was far more tame and engaged in that game and didn't resort to toxic behavior in the face of adversity. He also apparently wasn't as tunnelvisioned and had much more diversity in his approach to many ongoing situations. Here's a quote I found ironic to the situation at hand. Tom would have the best recollection of this because he was one of the members arguing with him about stuff.
But that's fine. You're probably scum as well and if not, you're pretty terrible at this game. I'll just wait for the better players to show up and quickvote the hell out of this dude.
You would seriously benefit from a course in logic. You do know that personal attacks and profanity don't make your case any stronger and suggest that your argument is void of meaning right?
I'll give the lurkers another 24 hours for more catchup, then I'll vote ts again. Literally the only one who hasn't added anything at all is Necarg. The others could add more but atleast we have their opinion on TS/the wagon.
I'm not using statistics to justify the lynch. I'm saying that 65-70% is the same as any player chosen at random, which is therefore the same as null.
I mean, I see what you're saying -- odds are better than a coin flip that he's town. Right? But he's not any more or less likely to be scum than anyone else, which makes it a null read. I'm speaking in relative terms that he's more or less likely to flip scum than others.
I feel like Silver said something dumb and people are trying to push it back onto him but it's not legit.
Let's find who's pushing
TS and DV. Well that doesn't tell me anything I didn't already know. TS is scum and DV is town for the same reason.
Alright: Some flavor school, as the game seems built up a lot based on it.
Borg: In Star Trek these are part organic part synthetic life forms, absorbing organic life into its collective hive mind. Flavor wise, would make sense for a neutral cult leader to be Borg "recruiting" others into their number. Lesser chance of someone assimilating others abilities, but that's mod game theorizing.
Also there can be possible exceptions to the rule above as 7 of 9, a character of Star Trek Voyager, could make a town former Borg.
Latinum: Main currency (in gold plated form) of Ferengi. We've had one town player turn up dead as a Ferengi (Sir Chris) and one slip that they had Latinum based abilities (Silver). Don't know how many others have Latinum abilities, but that's best left until flips or ability results start hinting something more.
There's bound to be more, but other than a genetically enhanced human circle (Tapping, Necarg(?), and myself), talk of Vulcans (which Tapping faking being Spock wasn't), and a dead Klingon (Mongoose) not much else has popped up yet. And these subjects are not likely to catch scum at the moment.
Mind pointing out some places where he "howls about how it clears him" for me to look at? Lots easier than going through the entire thread (also MTGS is being super janky and taking minutes to load pages ugh)
Also questions I had
A) Usually on MTGS the default is scum don't have day-chat. Anything in this game that solidly said whether they do or not? Or is there a running assumption of it either way amongst everyone here?
B) Weird that Fable didn't have a role flip (did mods anywhere say specifically what Fable's role abilities were or anything?). Pushes me towards thinking there are either some weird roles out there or maybe argues a bit in favor of Borgs due to balance reasons?
@Past!TS-"Get bent" You flew off the handle with Silvercrystal. I apologize for past Ts's actions. I'm trying not to take the most recent flames personal. Because I have to much work to do today to get bogged down again.
This is why I don't like you as a player. This is the most insincere apology on this sub I've ever seen.
Tappingstones has been removed from the game due to his forum suspension. He loses the game regardless of who wins.
Replacement will be forthcoming; if one isn't in place and a lynch has not occurred by 10 PM CST Wednesday 7/27, he will be modkilled and the day will end.
His catch-up on replacing in seems fine. Obviously I'm not the Borg, but I've forgiven him for that.
His first read list is Mind/Rhand/Cythare/D_V town and Fable/Mongoose/Brinatoo/Kosa/DoTA scum. (#428)
His very next post is: "If KoD is scum he's outworking me." I could see this either way - KoD isn't in his town reads, but it could also just mean he hasn't seen anything scummy. Or maybe, literally, KoD is doing more work than him.
#445 - explains his Kosa scumread for me. It reads legitimate. Didn't sway me, but it definitely makes sense.
Here's the first of these interesting interactions I wanted to look at: Tom/Fable.
towndota is inquisitive, overwhelmed, and ready to argue. i love towndota.
this dota is just looking for things to pounce on. hes throwing shade. hes been vla, but is somehow fully confident. he knows tappingstones is town. hes saying things for how they look, not how they help him figure things out.
towndota this aint.
His DoTA case is pure meta and less than convincing. But, he's probably not aligned with DoTA for it. I don't think Mafia would bus based on a meta read.
i would think cult leader is a very odd role to play.
you have no reason to act scummy in normal situations, as you dont have buddies and can literally just scumhunt like town.
but then theres this weird stimulus when people talk about your existence.
do you ignore it?
do you engage in discussion?
do you try to brush it under the rug?
do you bust into the thread like the kool aid man hunting for the real queen?
possibly a better question is how you react to being accused of that when youre town.
i think the answer is in the thread:
deflect
deflect
deflect
There's still this thing, too. Still very strange on reread.
brinatoo:
enters the thread and sharing his reads from before he got a role pm.
i get that they wouldnt change if you didnt get new information, aka a town role pm.
but he seems excited by getting to post them.
i dont like his interaction with the cat. its very helpful without actually doing anything, and simultaneously HARD buddying.
i hate his insistence on reads being genuine. its like, duh. obviously thats the question.
makes me think his arent.
His MtG card thing starts at #654 and he says he is "soft claiming a power role." I did notice that those cards only affect noncreature spells or permanents, but I won't speculate further than that. Also, Tom, if it is what I think it is, well, I didn't lie when I claimed so you should know why it was countered.
A loooot of these intervening posts are either fluff or completely fakeable interactions, so I'm skipping most of them. I get the slightest of townie vibes though. I think scum that are actually posting would at least try to look like they're participating.
#1271 - The Half_Time vote. I would like to point out that, while a bunch of people are trying to scum read Tom for this in conjunction with his vote on the TS wagon, I'm the only person who asked him about his vote at the time. I got this response:
@Silver mostly skipping over the whole thing.
Vote is for reasons of my own
Which I read, and still read, as "I want to put pressure on Half_Time." Like, if he was scum it would be the easiest thing in the world to justify his vote. The fact that he didn't, I think, is more alignment indicative than the vote itself.
he spent a lot of time focused on playstyle rather than alignment. its a reasonable thing to note when switching to a new site, but at a certain point you need to leave it behind.
his main point against people seems to be mudslinging, but that is most certainly something he is guilty of as well.
he does actually make some good, logical points. so i know hes capable.
hes a little defensive, but its approximately commensurate with the amount of pressure hes been under.
overall, halftime is moderately likely to be scum.
its not the slam dunk case thats being presented, but its there.
im certainly comfortable with lynching him today. it offers good information, theres a decent chance that hell flip scum, and a very good chance it will remove some toxicity from the thread
note: halftime has not been a large contributor to that toxicity, but rather the arguments about him have been rife with it. im not sure why that is.
i would like everyone to state their willingness to move forward with this.
this does not mean DV, tapping, or KoD. your feelings are quite clear. and arguing amongst yourselves about it is clearly not good for anyone.
you three need to cool it and talk about literally anything else.
This is his analysis of the case on H_T. I'm pretty much in agreement with his analysis but not his conclusion. He does point out that the case is not the slam dunk that is being presented, but seems to be willing to lynch based on chance to flip scum, information from flip, and chance of removing toxicity from the thread. So, I don't think this is quite the opportunistic "hop on" that it's being treated as.
#1385 - Of course, his TS vote is a mere 26 posts later, though there was quite a lot of things said in those posts. I think that, if you use the same criteria he laid out for the H_T, TS is a much better lynch. So it's not really opportunistic, either - TS is just a better lynch than H_T based on Tom's criteria now.
I am now Leaning Town on Tom. There's some, like sort of suspicious stuff (Fable interaction), but there's definitely a read progression there, and his posts make total sense from the PoV I imagine him having.
Fake Edit: @Annorax: Can we still lynch his slot?
I'd almost rather just lynch him now, then we won't have to worry about it. I estimate the chances of Necarg appearing to add something relevant in the next ~24 hours at approximately 0, between his lack of being present and his behavior while he was here.
Yeah ok I'll vote to lynch TS as well mods let's just say it was a lynch and move on then. Silly to have someone replace when it looks like the town was going to lynch.
Fake Edit: @Annorax: Can we still lynch his slot?
I'd almost rather just lynch him now, then we won't have to worry about it. I estimate the chances of Necarg appearing to add something relevant in the next ~24 hours at approximately 0, between his lack of being present and his behavior while he was here.
Yes, he can still be lynched. I'd prefer the day end on an actual, player-determined result rather than a modkill, even if it appears that they're the same result.
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Yea I don't want someone to replace in just to be lynched. Isn't fair to that player. vote TappingStones
Necarg, you've got a lot of splainin to do tomorrow.
Not Voting: (4) Killjoy, Necarg, Rhand, Shockwave07
The now-familiar, oddly provocatively dressed female Prophet appears amidst the crowd of familiar apparitions of friends, family, and even foes long past. Slowly, purposefully, she removes her belt, and it shapeshifts into a wicked-looking whip. She throws a disaffected glance at a certain participant, and for the first time since punishing Necarg, she speaks.
"What is it that corporeal being would say here? I want to tap those stones?"
The apparitions and lens filter fade over the course of the next few moments, but the Prophet serving as Q's opposite number remains for a few brief heartbeats longer.
Any of you have a hammer I could borrow? I think we're ready to go to Night. There's very little chance of anything relevant being said before the slot gets modkilled and we lose the lynch anyway.
Unless we'd like to quick lynch Shockwave (or something) and make Anno find a fifth replacement. Seems like a bad idea, though.
It turns out the Prophet hadn't truly vanished. As Shockwave07 casts the final vote, she appears, casually strolling onto the promenade. Nine of the station's inhabitants gather around TappingStones, whose only words are, "JUST BECAUSE YOU VOTE DOESN'T MEAN WE LIVE IN A DEMOCRACY! THE FEDERATION IS A TECHNOCRATIC MERITOCRACY! DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND!" As the nine ponder the meaning of half-baked sociopolitical commentary employed as distraction, TappingStones leaps impressively above the crowd, and then somersaults over the Prophet before bolting towards an adjoining hallway.
The passage of time seems to slow to a crawl, though the Prophet is unaffected, casually turning toward the would-be escapee. Lazily, effortlessly, she slings her whip forward, catching TappingStones around the ankle and tripping him.
"You knew the rules going into this, corporeal being. If I want, I get to play with whichever misbehaving mortal the rest of the station wants gone," she says playfully. Cocking her head back and glancing over her shoulder, she announces to the rest of the station's inhabitants, "Don't follow me unless you want to join in getting your stones tapped, too."
With one hand, she picks up TappingStones and slings him over one shoulder, back against hers as he kicks fruitlessly at the air, screaming about how omnipotent beings make every conspiracy theory true. Whether the Prophet cares about this or even hears it is unknown, but she takes TappingStones into a nearby set of quarters.
Silence hangs over the station for the next hour.
The Prophet emerges from her appropriated quarters, everyone having given the room a wide berth. With a smirk on her face, she announces, "It looks like I broke my new toy. Q isn't going to be pleased." She affects a melodramatic sigh. "I suppose that's the advantage of being outside linear time. I already know what he'll say. That was my toy, and I broke it. That's all."
She saunters slowly off the promenade, fading into nothingness as this brief episode as an ephemeral being is over. The station's inhabitants ruminate over the spectacle they just witnessed as they head off to their own quarters for the night, wondering whether or not Q will spare the Prophet's next plaything.
Jack, Genetically Engineered Genius/Town Lunatic has been lynched.
Night actions are due to Annorax by Friday, July 29 at 9 PM PST.
It is now 2 AM on the station, and everyone's sleeping. In Necarg's quarters, a loud flash of light is seen and a bang is heard. When the light dissipates, Necarg is gone, and Zinger2099 has arrived. Seeing nothing wrong, Zinger goes to sleep.
Effective immediately, Zinger2099 replaces Necarg. It is still night, action deadline is the same.
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Day breaks yet again on Deep Space Nine, and the population assembles on the Promenade to see who's still here. After the holographic security guards take roll call, it's apparent that Mindreaver is nowhere to be seen. He can't be found anywhere on the station, but a hologuard points out something floating outside the station that wasn't there before. Someone calls up to Ops to have a shuttle sent out, but the captain can't be found. The shuttle is sent out anyway, and finds Mindreaver's body floating in space, with no indication of how he got there.
Mindreaver, Ro Laren, Town Charmed Captain has been killed. It is now Day 3. 14 alive, 8 to lynch.
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A guy that hasn't been playing is calling the game laughable.
Well you could like, I don't know, participate?
Cool so you don't really care about player unity at all do you?
So why care about it with TS?
Oh wait you mean you fabricated it to vote someone?
Cool.
Post #1346. You've dismissed three times and to this point didn't answer it.
This is the part where Tom is going to wait until votes pile up on him and then try to claim his way out of the lynch.
I don't really have the best reason I mentioned that before.
But, I would say its more of the principle of things. KoD keeps talking about "Proper play" and doing that is anything but good mafia play.
Ts has never made such a statement. And I do agree with him out of all of the slots I found KJ's to be more suspect than Dota's. Also that isn't the only thing that TS has done. With KoD it really is the only thing other than TS's vote that I can point that actually meant anything. Otherwise he really hasn't been in this game.
I guess when I look at the individual actions there isn't a whole lot of difference, but when looking at the actions when combined with other actions, they just seem drastically different to me.
She also takes some toy ducks and lines them up in a row in front of TappingStones. *
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TS has never made statements regarding proper play?! LOL WE CAN'T BE PLAYING THE SAME GAME
There are literally FIVE PAGES of TS whining on how KoD/H_T/Tom/etc should be playing instead of the way they were playing. Five. Pages.
Is there anything TS says or does that you don't agree with? You've literally defended him on just about everything, are barning/flat-out defending him since early Day 1 (accusing me of OMGUSing him and voting me, and neither of you cared to answer me with anything other than "derp this guy can't logic" when I tore down his case) and IIRC I've never seen you acknowledge a single negative point about him. Not a single one.
Are you guys confirmed Lovers (Mafia role, not IRL lol) or something? Because this doesn't ******* make sense to me.
Kosa to answer your question.
Because of things like this.
This wagon has so many people voting it for so many different reasons, it just isn't concrete at all to me.
And you didn't tear his case down no matter what you say. You can repeat that and have as many others say it as you want doesn't make it right. "The world is flat". Just because I say it doesn't make it true. At the end of the day your case on TS was because he hadn't mentioned you before. That was it. And that is dumb. Your basic premise was so silly, I frankly don't care what else you had to say about the case because the base was built off of a flimsy principle.
The joke is too that the lynch TS side seems to think that if they berate the other side enough that they will come over and vote TS, and frankly it is just making us dig in harder. The joke is that the exact reason they want to lynch TS is the tool that they are using to debate. The joke is that you have a bunch of people on the lynch TS side that are just sitting back and doing nothing and then accusing others of not participating. You have people like KoD flaming replacements because they don't see it his way when he makes statements such as "Well I wouldn't say it if it isn't true". Like really?
And you want to be on board with that lynch? That seems like a good wagon to you? You just nod your head and go yeah these are good reasons, I like this lynch. Because I'm not.
This push stinks, the case stinks and the players on the lynch seem to think that they have the high ground, well clearly you don't because he isn't being lynched. So either change tactics come up with a better case or move on.
This arguing has gone on so long that both you and TS literally pick out small things and blow them out of proportion while focusing on comments like that despite everything that has been said.
Case in point: You made an issue out of how I'm voting TS for no good reason other than to see him lynched despite my numerous other posts talking about him and arguing for his lynch. It would help if you didn't take pieces of my posts and focus on small things, but you seem prone to doing that.
You just keep taking cheap shots (like TS does) where you can to fling mud and make people look bad without fact checking. And yeah, you do.
My read on TS has been leaning scum for a while (I could go find my T/S list from a few pages back, but I'm pretty sure he was yellow at the time and still is). I don't really agree with his gambit, or lying about it. That was probably the most damning thing. I'm also concerned that he was found drunk, when the town BARTENDER was found dead. I don't think the cutscene cleared him (considering the only other one was fable's), even though the ability name definitely matches Jack. The TS/Silver stuff, wasn't really great for anyone involved. As I mentioned before, he followed me on Kosa (and I was suspicious then) and he followed on H_T. It's just a pattern and a feeling, but there it is. I have a lot of townreads on his wagon, and that's also troubling.
But I will say, I'd like people to stop relying on reasons that have nothing to do with winning the game. The only two questions we should be asking are: Is TS the most likely to flip scum? and What information do we get from his flip? We should be lynching based on "what's good for the thread" or "Who line stepped first". That ***** is barely relevant.
I'm more certain on my Tom read than either my H_T or TS read after the exchanges today. Even with Tom's claim breadcrumb (lets see what fakeclaim you got Tom It didn't work for Fable). I still think H_T's lynch gives us more information than either one, but I'm less certain than I am about Tom. And there is broad spectrum where the rest of you fall in.
Really all I have to say this just seems like a terrible lynch to me.
If he's fooled me hes fooled me but I just don't see it.
**** it I hope you guys are right.
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i can be in the list too if yall really want, but the scumteam is entirely contained in fable/ts/ht/shock/lurkers.
Could probably find enough people to lynch me if they weren't so focused on Tapping right now.
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And Tom's at the top of my nulls, neck-and-neck with Brinatoo. I don't want to lynch him toDay.
if im getting lynched at some point, remind to tell yall why.
And I went through that game to see what you were talking about. And I completely disagree. TS was far more tame and engaged in that game and didn't resort to toxic behavior in the face of adversity. He also apparently wasn't as tunnelvisioned and had much more diversity in his approach to many ongoing situations. Here's a quote I found ironic to the situation at hand. Tom would have the best recollection of this because he was one of the members arguing with him about stuff.
I'll give the lurkers another 24 hours for more catchup, then I'll vote ts again. Literally the only one who hasn't added anything at all is Necarg. The others could add more but atleast we have their opinion on TS/the wagon.
I feel like Silver said something dumb and people are trying to push it back onto him but it's not legit.
Let's find who's pushing
TS and DV. Well that doesn't tell me anything I didn't already know. TS is scum and DV is town for the same reason.
I usually go straight to 4, more satisfying of an orgasm.
well cool shockwave is next after tapping then
dammit tom
No, I don't trust that from you.
I want to see a dick get tapped
wait what the **** am i sayi
hahaha it hurts being so right all the time
aaaaand
This is why I don't like you as a player. This is the most insincere apology on this sub I've ever seen.
Same.
There's something really ******* dumb about MTGS when tom's the only one to get an infraction here.
TS' post 1754 reads to me as exactly the opposite of how tom is acting this game.
"I asked Tom a bull***** question and I didn't like his bull***** answer".
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I'll say that, in all fairness, ending the Day is better than letting it continue, especially considering he's most likely toDay's lynch anyway.
His catch-up on replacing in seems fine. Obviously I'm not the Borg, but I've forgiven him for that.
His first read list is Mind/Rhand/Cythare/D_V town and Fable/Mongoose/Brinatoo/Kosa/DoTA scum. (#428)
His very next post is: "If KoD is scum he's outworking me." I could see this either way - KoD isn't in his town reads, but it could also just mean he hasn't seen anything scummy. Or maybe, literally, KoD is doing more work than him.
#445 - explains his Kosa scumread for me. It reads legitimate. Didn't sway me, but it definitely makes sense.
Here's the first of these interesting interactions I wanted to look at: Tom/Fable.
This could easily be distancing from a scum buddy, especially since Fable was the one who brought up the idea of a Borg cult in the first place. But this is almost too blatant for distancing. It's still a really weird interaction over all.
His DoTA case is pure meta and less than convincing. But, he's probably not aligned with DoTA for it. I don't think Mafia would bus based on a meta read.
There's still this thing, too. Still very strange on reread. His Brinatoo read.
#566 - still not aligned with DoTA.
His MtG card thing starts at #654 and he says he is "soft claiming a power role." I did notice that those cards only affect noncreature spells or permanents, but I won't speculate further than that. Also, Tom, if it is what I think it is, well, I didn't lie when I claimed so you should know why it was countered.
A loooot of these intervening posts are either fluff or completely fakeable interactions, so I'm skipping most of them. I get the slightest of townie vibes though. I think scum that are actually posting would at least try to look like they're participating.
#1271 - The Half_Time vote. I would like to point out that, while a bunch of people are trying to scum read Tom for this in conjunction with his vote on the TS wagon, I'm the only person who asked him about his vote at the time. I got this response: Which I read, and still read, as "I want to put pressure on Half_Time." Like, if he was scum it would be the easiest thing in the world to justify his vote. The fact that he didn't, I think, is more alignment indicative than the vote itself. This is his analysis of the case on H_T. I'm pretty much in agreement with his analysis but not his conclusion. He does point out that the case is not the slam dunk that is being presented, but seems to be willing to lynch based on chance to flip scum, information from flip, and chance of removing toxicity from the thread. So, I don't think this is quite the opportunistic "hop on" that it's being treated as.
#1385 - Of course, his TS vote is a mere 26 posts later, though there was quite a lot of things said in those posts. I think that, if you use the same criteria he laid out for the H_T, TS is a much better lynch. So it's not really opportunistic, either - TS is just a better lynch than H_T based on Tom's criteria now.
Some fluffy/theory posts.
#1629 - Tom and TS probably not aligned.
That's everything not-recent, anyway.
I am now Leaning Town on Tom. There's some, like sort of suspicious stuff (Fable interaction), but there's definitely a read progression there, and his posts make total sense from the PoV I imagine him having.
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@Annorax: Can we still lynch his slot?
I'd almost rather just lynch him now, then we won't have to worry about it. I estimate the chances of Necarg appearing to add something relevant in the next ~24 hours at approximately 0, between his lack of being present and his behavior while he was here.
Yes, he can still be lynched. I'd prefer the day end on an actual, player-determined result rather than a modkill, even if it appears that they're the same result.
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I'm cool just going to night as long as we still get the role card reveal from a modkill
Necarg, you've got a lot of splainin to do tomorrow.
I agree with Brintoo.
Votecount 2.4 - Outside Linear Time
Silvercrys3467 (1): DoTArchon
Half_Time (1): Mindreaver
TappingStones (8): Wheat_Grinder, Cythare, tomsloger, Half_Time, Silvercrys3467, KingofDominaria, Brinatoo, D_V
D_V (1): Kosakosa
tomsloger (1): TappingStones
Not Voting: (4) Killjoy, Necarg, Rhand, Shockwave07
The now-familiar, oddly provocatively dressed female Prophet appears amidst the crowd of familiar apparitions of friends, family, and even foes long past. Slowly, purposefully, she removes her belt, and it shapeshifts into a wicked-looking whip. She throws a disaffected glance at a certain participant, and for the first time since punishing Necarg, she speaks.
"What is it that corporeal being would say here? I want to tap those stones?"
The apparitions and lens filter fade over the course of the next few moments, but the Prophet serving as Q's opposite number remains for a few brief heartbeats longer.
Not proud of this, but let's get it over with.
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Any of you have a hammer I could borrow? I think we're ready to go to Night. There's very little chance of anything relevant being said before the slot gets modkilled and we lose the lynch anyway.
Unless we'd like to quick lynch Shockwave (or something) and make Anno find a fifth replacement. Seems like a bad idea, though.
Thanks Shock.
Still think you're scum, though.
Oh, and Citric is in Rhand's spot, just so you get your player lists straight.
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The passage of time seems to slow to a crawl, though the Prophet is unaffected, casually turning toward the would-be escapee. Lazily, effortlessly, she slings her whip forward, catching TappingStones around the ankle and tripping him.
"You knew the rules going into this, corporeal being. If I want, I get to play with whichever misbehaving mortal the rest of the station wants gone," she says playfully. Cocking her head back and glancing over her shoulder, she announces to the rest of the station's inhabitants, "Don't follow me unless you want to join in getting your stones tapped, too."
With one hand, she picks up TappingStones and slings him over one shoulder, back against hers as he kicks fruitlessly at the air, screaming about how omnipotent beings make every conspiracy theory true. Whether the Prophet cares about this or even hears it is unknown, but she takes TappingStones into a nearby set of quarters.
Silence hangs over the station for the next hour.
The Prophet emerges from her appropriated quarters, everyone having given the room a wide berth. With a smirk on her face, she announces, "It looks like I broke my new toy. Q isn't going to be pleased." She affects a melodramatic sigh. "I suppose that's the advantage of being outside linear time. I already know what he'll say. That was my toy, and I broke it. That's all."
She saunters slowly off the promenade, fading into nothingness as this brief episode as an ephemeral being is over. The station's inhabitants ruminate over the spectacle they just witnessed as they head off to their own quarters for the night, wondering whether or not Q will spare the Prophet's next plaything.
Jack, Genetically Engineered Genius/Town Lunatic has been lynched.
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Effective immediately, Zinger2099 replaces Necarg. It is still night, action deadline is the same.
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Mindreaver, Ro Laren, Town Charmed Captain has been killed. It is now Day 3. 14 alive, 8 to lynch.
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