@TappingStones:
Didn't Ghosting put you lean scum before he claimed doctor? Doesn't really change much, I guess, but...
Here's where I'm at: Probably Town
Mindreaver
not_a_gimmick
Bloscovi
Prophylaxis
Atogaholic
Lean Town
Gentleman Johnny
TappingStones
Hunger
Null
Huntzilla
Ghosting
imabusinessman
Matowar
Lean Scum
Brinatoo
Probably Scum
Seppel
Thoughts
I'd be willing to lynch any of my nulls, I suppose, but I want Seppel.
If he's PGO or ability absorber or something and decided as soon as he got the PM to gambit, he would've played the long con to convince us it was legit.
If he's not lying, the day ends in No Lynch and we reevaluate.
If he's town and lying, why ask for people to target him with whatever abilities they have? Will they get cookies?
I mean, I could be persuaded onto another wagon (like Brinatoo?) so Seppel can pass the laptop on N2 to confirm his claim, but... who's the lynch then? Brinatoo? I do not want Atog dead. I'm 90% sure he's town.
The laptop might just be a one shot protection for whoever has it (reasonable as scum) and he has a regular ability to be an absorber or whatever. But I'll burn that bridge if we lynch him and he lives.
If Ghosting is the doctor what do you think about Blos and Proph relentlessly trying to tunnel/kill him from the beginning of the game? I thought it was pretty strange that they were so sure and ravenously wanted him dead. I also think Ghosting behavior in response to me is just weird if he really is town.
So in the world where Ghosting is town doctor. He tells everyone that I am obvious town several times. Then he lies and makes a fake claim. I catch the lie and tell him why it seems so unbelievable and inconsistent. Now at this point a town!Ghosting should be thinking something like "Wow, TS defended me until I told a lie and he spotted it, that's good observations on his part!" Instead he starts trying to say I'm scummy for jumping onto him...but he knows I jumped on him because he's lying!
He now lists me as lean scum after he reveals to everyone that yes TS was right that he originally wrote the first post about getting for sure NK was about the doctor bit and that when he changed the claim to the neutral thing it was a lie.
How exactly am I scum in that world? That's from Town!Ghosting mindset. I'm really lost on that.
FWIW, I had you as leaning scum before, but the mindset is that you're drawing attention to the fact my claim wasn't believable, and I wanted the claim to be as believed as possible because my goal was to maintain that claim as long as I could to avoid the NK.
You are Siberian Guard, Town Doctor
1st ability - [Name]: I can target a player who is dead and get their item.
2nd ability - [Name]: I can attempt to protect a player who isn’t myself at night.
I can only use one of these unless I use my item.
Item: Ammo Clip
Item: [Name] - You can use two abilities in one night. You can not hand your [Name] to anyone. This item has one use. This item gains a use every time you successfully protect a player.
Flavour: I do my best to save as many of my comrades as I can, and if worst comes to worst, I make sure to take care of their worldly possessions (reference to 1st ability). My character is defined as passive for a guard, and that I prefer others to be the aggressors (I’m assuming another reference to my 1st ability). Janus killed a friend of mine, and I vowed to do my best to not let it happen again. My flavour mentions NAG’s and GJ’s character names in a way that makes me suspicious of them, hence my consistent suspicions of their claim.
If we can quote ability names I will, but I don’t want to get modkilled for doing so.
Also, does anyone not see how scummy it is of NAG to try to rush in and get me lynched? Even if you don't believe me NAG, with zero counterclaims, you are openly willing to risk the doctor.
I am a Siberian Guard and am vanilla town, though I do have an item. Flavor-wise my expectation for a Russian guard would be mafia goon.
Why didn't you counterclaim Kraj? You will follow a flavor lead on NAG/GJ but not this? I also have a very hard time believing Iso would give you a semi-flavor cop on two in game characters coupled with a town doctor/janitoresque abilities.
What changed between 1118 of reluctantly hopping on the Jobie wagon and 90% sure town. The posts by Atog since haven't screamed towny unless you have something to do with his claim, which just saying stuff like 90% town is WIFOM.
@Hunger: In regards to your Seppel wagon, do you think it's more likely that Seppel and Ghosting are unaligned or Ghosting has been bussing Seppel?
What changed between 1118 of reluctantly hopping on the Jobie wagon and 90% sure town. The posts by Atog since haven't screamed towny unless you have something to do with his claim, which just saying stuff like 90% town is WIFOM.
@Mindreaver:
I can't give reasons without claiming.
I'll make you a deal, help me lynch Seppel and I'll claim in my first post of D2. It'll be worth it, I promise, and we'll be ahead enough that we won't need [redacted].
If you really want me to claim, I'm not strictly opposed to it, but I think there's too many claimed roles flying around for D1 as it is. If you want to see my claim, help me lynch Seppel, I already promised Mindreaver that.
EBWODP: Though, it looks like Ghosting might be back on the menu...
@Ghosting:
Seppel can wait until tomorrow. Your very existence is a pain in the ass because we'll never know if we can trust you until you're dead.
I hope you're scum, but I don't actually care at this point.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
The only reason I didn't counterclaim him is because I researched my flavour and saw that there were two Siberian Guards, so it made sense. There was no reason to potentially out my role due to something I was able to rationalise.
Problem with coordinating with Seppel is one, he's probably pissed at us and two, he's V/LA until the deadline. I'd be willing to let him live to pass (on probably N2), I guess, but I don't know who to lynch in the mean time. Maybe Brinatoo if Ghosting flips town, but I can't honestly say I blame him.
My immediate reaction to Brinatoo's post was that he knew to look for that because he knows the scum falseclaims. Like for nobody else to catch that, except him, makes me raise an eyebrow.
What changed between 1118 of reluctantly hopping on the Jobie wagon and 90% sure town. The posts by Atog since haven't screamed towny unless you have something to do with his claim, which just saying stuff like 90% town is WIFOM.
@Mindreaver:
I can't give reasons without claiming.
I'll make you a deal, help me lynch Seppel and I'll claim in my first post of D2. It'll be worth it, I promise, and we'll be ahead enough that we won't need [redacted].
If you really want me to claim, I'm not strictly opposed to it, but I think there's too many claimed roles flying around for D1 as it is. If you want to see my claim, help me lynch Seppel, I already promised Mindreaver that.
If it isn't relevant to the two current wagons and only applies to Jobie/Atog, as you were, but you should definitely claim the parts applying to it if Atog's catchup post is met with pressure and draws a wagon.
@Bloscovi:
Is there a chance the town wagons are split on scum and the scum are on Atog since he seemed like an easy lynch?
I mean, obviously there is a chance, but is it likely?
Can't blame Seppel? For what? Losing his **** completely in the thread. I mean, if that's the way he's going to respond to somebody asking questions, that's garbage. It's not like he's gone out of his way to not ruffle feathers, I don't know why we have to treat HIM with kid gloves.
I'm not sure on ghosting. I'm just not. Best case: scum dead, yay. Worst Case: we're lynching the doctor, and giving the scum freedom to choose their target tonight. I'm more inclined to giving ghosting the benefit of the doubt, and see what happens tonight.
On the other hand, we lynch Seppel. Best case: he's scum and we caught him, sweet. Worst case: He lives, and we talk about what that means tomorrow. No lynch, but not a mislynch either. That seems safer to me, especially since we've killed one scum already today.
I could get on board a Brinatoo, as a consensus compromise. I'm on the fence there as well and it'd probably take a few days to suss that out, before I was comfortable pulling the trigger.
I still think the Atog slot is scummy, but I'm townreading silver very highly, he's one of the three people I'd pass my gun to tonight. So if he's got something that we can look at D2 that clears Atog, then I'll play along (I'm also not interested in you claiming yet, we've definitely had enough of that).
I'm going to also take Hunger off my "scum lean" list. The last few posts, and especially the Seppel reads, have been great.
My immediate reaction to Brinatoo's post was that he knew to look for that because he knows the scum falseclaims. Like for nobody else to catch that, except him, makes me raise an eyebrow.
did you just admit that the mafia team gets fake claims ? voting when I get home
did you just admit that the mafia team gets fake claims ? voting when I get home
No, I'm saying that the first thought that came to my mind was that the reason Brinatoo, out of everyone, picked that up, was because maybe scum have falseclaims, and he therefore knew Kraj's falseclaim because he himself knows the falesclaim. This is a situation that would be confirmed if Brinatoo flips scum, because he picked up on that when nobody else did.
I'm not sure I want to deal with Brinatoo until we sort out Ghosting.
They've had a lot of interactions, and I need to figure out if it's potentially bussing, or not.
I'm inclined to say it's either Seppel or Ghosting today, with sorting out Atogaholic-slot and maybe Matowar on D2.
If I thought Seppel would bother checking thread I'd keep him alive, because him passing me the item would be ideal if it actually is what he says it is. (And, I mean, if it's not then...duh? Caught in a lie, lynch with prejudice, etc)
Not Seppel, I wouldn't blame Brinatoo for leading us to a Ghosting lynch if Ghosting flips town. Seppel is still highly suspicious and if he doesn't pass his item I want him lynched tomorrow.
I would still support the Seppel wagon today but Ghosting has botched every claim he's made this game. It's incredibly difficult to figure out what's going on when we're catching him in something new every other page. I'd rather just... not deal with it. If he's the doctor, he shouldn't have gambited.
Ultimately, I'd lynch either of them. My vote's on Ghosting right now, partly because Seppel is V/LA so my vote puts no pressure on him.
If he's just going to V/LA then what's the point of letting him stick around? His V/LA seems to be based on the case against him, which is against the spirit of V/LA. It's supposed to exist to allow busy people to do what they need to do with out being under much suspicion. Not for temper tantrums. Caught scum?
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Yep, I do think it's between those two. I'd just rather play the odds on Seppel. There is no consequence for being wrong (other than a missed chance to lynch), whereas if we're wrong on ghosting, we just killed a doctor.
And if ghosting has pulled the wool over my eyes, it's going to be pretty obvious overnight.
The only reason I didn't counterclaim him is because I researched my flavour and saw that there were two Siberian Guards, so it made sense. There was no reason to potentially out my role due to something I was able to rationalise.
Single Player Campaign there's two and Multiplayer Character List there's one so that can be moot. Noone has come forward as another Russian scientist and I'm not listed as a or b so there's some useless flavorgaming. You wouldn't have outted yourself with a flavorclaim and to ignore this whilst following a flavorcoplead is unbelievable. I can't fathom why you would push for GJ/NAG with flavor as a backup but not do this. It would have developed a conversation of flavor gaming proportions if you had at the time.
My immediate reaction to Brinatoo's post was that he knew to look for that because he knows the scum falseclaims. Like for nobody else to catch that, except him, makes me raise an eyebrow.
Slinging mud for rereading Kraj after a scum flip? Proph brought it up again in 1101. I can't help it if your neutral claim debacle has made me super critical of your claims.
Yep, I do think it's between those two. I'd just rather play the odds on Seppel. There is no consequence for being wrong (other than a missed chance to lynch), whereas if we're wrong on ghosting, we just killed a doctor.
And if ghosting has pulled the wool over my eyes, it's going to be pretty obvious overnight.
Without a straight cc it would be beyond most protocol to lynch the claimed doctor. It comes off strangely that Blos wants to still lynch him and is pushing so hard to get that item from Seppel.
I really don't like that people have town cleared Blos and Proph so easily. Their behavior has been erratic and often scummy. If Ghosting does flip doctor Blos and Proph have A LOT of questions to answer on why they were /barning each other without much of a case on Ghosting.
Single Player Campaign there's two and Multiplayer Character List there's one so that can be moot. Noone has come forward as another Russian scientist and I'm not listed as a or b so there's some useless flavorgaming. You wouldn't have outted yourself with a flavorclaim and to ignore this whilst following a flavorcoplead is unbelievable. I can't fathom why you would push for GJ/NAG with flavor as a backup but not do this.
Except I haven't been pushing GJ/NAG. In fact, I've literally said we shouldn't even consider lynching GJ today. Additionally, I've made no comments that even suggest NAG is scum. I don't see why you'd make that up.
Yep, I do think it's between those two. I'd just rather play the odds on Seppel. There is no consequence for being wrong (other than a missed chance to lynch), whereas if we're wrong on ghosting, we just killed a doctor.
And if ghosting has pulled the wool over my eyes, it's going to be pretty obvious overnight.
If he's scum, he helps control the kill. They kill anyone other than you, then he can go "oh, I saved you but they killed someone else lol." He can't be trusted unless he flips.
If he's the doctor, it's unfortunate but he did it to himself by false claiming.
Or he scum slipped and IMAB caught him admitting the scum got fake claims.
There's also the little thing where everyone else with power roles has claimed a character name. Nothing about any of his claims lines up except that he's claiming whatever he can to get out of the lynch.
But I'll lynch either of them, the cases are both good. At this point, I think they're scum together, and Seppel was one of the people town clearing Ghosting based on meta.
If he's scum, he helps control the kill. They kill anyone other than you, then he can go "oh, I saved you but they killed someone else lol." He can't be trusted unless he flips.
If he's the doctor, it's unfortunate but he did it to himself by false claiming.
Or he scum slipped and IMAB caught him admitting the scum got fake claims.
There's also the little thing where everyone else with power roles has claimed a character name. Nothing about any of his claims lines up except that he's claiming whatever he can to get out of the lynch.
But I'll lynch either of them, the cases are both good. At this point, I think they're scum together, and Seppel was one of the people town clearing Ghosting based on meta.
If he's scum, he helps control the kill. They kill anyone other than you, then he can go "oh, I saved you but they killed someone else lol." He can't be trusted unless he flips.
If he's the doctor, it's unfortunate but he did it to himself by false claiming.
Or he scum slipped and IMAB caught him admitting the scum got fake claims.
There's also the little thing where everyone else with power roles has claimed a character name. Nothing about any of his claims lines up except that he's claiming whatever he can to get out of the lynch.
But I'll lynch either of them, the cases are both good. At this point, I think they're scum together, and Seppel was one of the people town clearing Ghosting based on meta.
Seppel (3): Hunger, Gentleman Johnny, Mindreaver, TappingStones, Ghosting
Hunger: the person cc’ing Seppel.
GJ: A neutral player
Mindreaver: Confirmed town
Ghosting: The doctor
TS: TS
4/5 people on the wagon are people you know don’t have malicious intent. I'm sure that's a good thing, considering it's for sure coming from a bunch of non-scum perspectives.
Seppel (3): Hunger, Gentleman Johnny, Mindreaver, TappingStones, Ghosting
Hunger: the person cc’ing Seppel.
GJ: A neutral player
Mindreaver: Confirmed town
Ghosting: The doctor
TS: TS
4/5 people on the wagon are people you know don’t have malicious intent. I'm sure that's a good thing, considering it's for sure coming from a bunch of non-scum perspectives.
Yeah and the fifth person is someone you said was obvious town until he caught you lying.
Single Player Campaign there's two and Multiplayer Character List there's one so that can be moot. Noone has come forward as another Russian scientist and I'm not listed as a or b so there's some useless flavorgaming. You wouldn't have outted yourself with a flavorclaim and to ignore this whilst following a flavorcoplead is unbelievable. I can't fathom why you would push for GJ/NAG with flavor as a backup but not do this.
Except I haven't been pushing GJ/NAG. In fact, I've literally said we shouldn't even consider lynching GJ today. Additionally, I've made no comments that even suggest NAG is scum. I don't see why you'd make that up.
*Pushing your suspicion at a minimum which is still a push, not a literal push on a wagon but still a psychological/interacting push. And you voted GJ at 898. And you literally called NAG scummy one page ago at 1257...
@Mindreaver: Give me your thoughts on the pros/cons for Ghosting/Seppel in a full list. I am very hesitant of the Seppel wagon because of Ghosting and I still have mixed feelings on bussing etc.
@Huntzilla:
What do you think about the end of Kraj's last post? Is he bussing at least one of his teammates? Scoring them town points by throwing shade before flipping? Last ditch effort to get a townie shot?
Regarding a not-me Vig: Matowar seems a fine choice to me. I still think the scum is likely lurking, as that's a tried and true method, and I don't have a solid behavior scumread on anyone. A very large portion of Matowar's posts have been 'helpful townie' or commenting about the game instead of real content. Jobie and IAMB have been similarly lurky; Jobie's posts seem to have more content but I don't get a good vibe from his posts. I don't think IMAB's 'good guy' breadcrumb means anything when we've established PM's contain a variety of language and some people aren't even sure of their own alignments, and I've seen little else from him except to say his breadcrumb makes him town.
Mato read seems like busing to me, Jobie read looks super fence-sitty and he says jobie has "more content" which I don't quite understand, and Imab he states breadcrumb doesn't mean anything but then it makes him town? I don't see that as something he would say about a buddy at all. It's too... contradictory. So to answer more clearly, it looks like busing, fence-sitting to cast doubt, and then contradictory statements that are phrased poorly.
You /barn the Jobie analysis, but then your scum team doesn't include him.
What's up with that?
I barned it with the caveat that I wanted to focus on Kraj interactions first and Mato. Still really feeling Mato for scum right now. I think he's just trolling us waiting to die, because it will inevitably happen. Jobie just didn't have enough for me to go on (in my notes and memory that is), and I didn't want to push someone simply for lurking hardcore. He certainly isn't playing to win if he is scum, and with Atog replacing in it makes more sense to let him catch up. Especially when I had a few others higher on my priority list. I was more /barning the post "because it makes sense" than /barning to proceed to vote. That all said, with the more recent posts referencing Jobie, I have him solidly in the scum lean category. Hunger over the last few pages has made me feel much better about him, and I agree that I was letting my emotions get the better of me with the OMGUS-like vote. I wouldn't say he is a full town lean, but he's definitely moved up to null. I was feeling concerned with the Seppel/Hunger interactions previously... it felt like Seppel was trying to distance from Hunger, but the way Hunger has pushed back makes me doubt that assessment.
I understand you are trying to preserve the integrity of the game, and allow people time to grow as players and not run them up constantly. God knows I needed time to adjust my style and ween of the emotional responses that saw me coast through games at times. But sometimes scummy play is scummy play, and we just need to kill the scummy bastard and see what shakes out. I respect what you are trying to do Blos, but I think it is HIGHLY likely that Mato is just scum and in over his head... I mean his active lurking emoticons are just not something town!Mato would do... His posts result in a whole lot of nothing, and he's just fence sitting on every read. I remember being new and fence sitting myself. But Town!Mato actually has some opinions. This Mato does not...
Well, awesome You guys are'nt leaving me much to do are you? I guess I could Iso Kraq but 5 people have done that already. I just feel like dead weight here, anyone feel like asking me questions so I can try and contribute? Anyone aside from Bloscovi that is -.-
Give me THREE definitive reads. Three people, solidly town or solidly scum. Mix and match, I don't give a *****. Just don't fence sit.
What do you think Kraj was doing naming you as a better vig target?
Do you think Seppel could be telling the truth?
Do you think Ghosting's Doc claim is real?
How many neutrals are in the game?
How many scum are on your team?
Current Seppel thoughts:
Hunger counter claimed him on invincible.
IF Ghosting is Doctor, there are probably 4 town power roles assuming only one of Hunger/Seppel is actually invincible.
Seppel claimed to be permanently invincible, but wanted someone to protect him and/or take his item.
Conclusion:
Seppel false claimed and wants someone to target him.
1) scum!Seppel is a Paranoid Gun Owner.
1a) DO NOT TARGET SEPPEL IF HE IS NOT THE LYNCH
2) scum!Seppel steals the items of people who target him, or does some other nasty thing to them.
2a) DO NOT TARGET SEPPEL IF HE IS NOT THE LYNCH
OR
3) town!Seppel is a different power role trying to avoid the night kill
3a) Two town power roles are gambiting.
4) town!Seppel does good things to townies who target him, like sees their alignment or something?
4a) Yeah, doubtful.
OR
5) Hunger is scum counter claiming on a widely town read player to attempt a counter wagon to save his lying scum buddy Ghosting.
5a) Ahahahaha. Yeah, I don't think so. At the time, Jobie/Atog, Matowar, or IMAB would have been vastly better counter wagons.
OR
6) There are two bulletproof townies and probably 5 power roles with only 3-4 scum.
6a) Scum have insane power roles, there is an extra scum, or at least one scum is a strongman. Wait, Kraj claimed strongman, didn't he? Maybe he was Godfather and strongman? I still doubt this world exists.
Vote: Seppel
And just to reiterate: DO NOT TARGET SEPPEL WITH NIGHT ACTIONS
Please. You will probably die or something else terrible will happen to you. He bread crumbed this SO HARD when he claimed I don't know how I didn't catch it sooner. Or we can lynch him now and not have to worry about it
Unless someone has a more convincing analysis of the Hunger vs Seppel thing.
fake edit @Mindreaver:
I can't give reasons without claiming.
I'll make you a deal, help me lynch Seppel and I'll claim in my first post of D2. It'll be worth it, I promise, and we'll be ahead enough that we won't need [redacted].
And this case makes me feel better about Silver. Unvote
Vote Seppel
@Hunger
Note even a little bit Russian. I have no problem telling you that.
@Bloscovi:
Votes on me:
1) Seppel - OMGUS?
2) not_a_gimmick - pressure on HWP's replacement?
3) Brinatoo - I moved Hunt and Blos from null to lean town two hours after posting a t/s list.
I think TappingStones FoS me after I replaced in, too.
Votes on Hardwood_Paneling:
1) Gentleman Johnny - ended RVS with no explanation.
2) Matowar77 - says HWP isn't American, or something.
3) not_a_gimmick - trying too hard
4) Mindreaver - the riddle
5) TappingStones - talks about NaG, votes HWP (I think they had similar avatars at the time?)
6) imabusinessman - Lynch-a-lurker
Kraj sent him a FoS if that counts?
His longest wagon was only two if you go by vote counts (Matowar77, TappingStones).
Mine was four, I believe (IMAB inherited from HWP, Seppel, Brinatoo, NaG). This is probably the only "real" wagon.
I think you missed my vote on Hardwood. I am pretty sure I voted him because of his early play...
I thought I took my vote of Jobie/Atog a while ago, however, I am absolutely on board with lynching Seppel (and have been for a while).
Vote Seppel.
From my POV, anyway.
You might want to unvote and revote, Ghosting, last vote count has you on Atog still.
@Silver Why is it that Proph and Blos get an auto clearance with you even though their play has been so scummy this game?
I'm genuinely curious. It's like some of you have decided they get an auto win if they are scum. No one here can say that Proph has done anything to clear himself as town and Blos has been blatantly trying to push Ghosting without a case against him. This is looking like it might be one of those games where I have to painfully watch us lose because no one is willing to question why they town cleared people.
*Pushing your suspicion at a minimum which is still a push, not a literal push on a wagon but still a psychological/interacting push. And you voted GJ at 898. And you literally called NAG scummy one page ago at 1257...
...and unvoted him. You're pushing a very weak point, and manipulating it. You even say "pushing your suspicion at minimum", and justify it by saying "still a push, not a literal push," and even "a psychological push".
Ugh. In my very first game on this site someone said that Doctor is the most frequently fake-claimed role on this forum. I'd hate to lose a town doctor. On the other hand, I'm gonna protect Seppel, because rage-quitting is totally townie.
@Silver Why is it that Proph and Blos get an auto clearance with you even though their play has been so scummy this game?
I'm genuinely curious. It's like some of you have decided they get an auto win if they are scum. No one here can say that Proph has done anything to clear himself as town and Blos has been blatantly trying to push Ghosting without a case against him. This is looking like it might be one of those games where I have to painfully watch us lose because no one is willing to question why they town cleared people.
They aren't "auto-cleared," the only people with that (dubious?) honor at the moment are Atog and Mindreaver.
With Bloscovi, it's just a feeling I got from the back-and-forths we've had since I replaced in. His case on Ghosting doesn't meet your approval, I know, but I think it's town-on-town at worst. I don't think he was hard bussing him.
Proph is a bit... I don't know. I've been waffling on moving him to lean town or null, but ultimately he just doesn't seem scummy to me. I mean, he seems like less likely scum than the players I have lean town or null. I could be wrong! I absolutely could be. Could be wrong on Blos as well.
So, yeah. I don't have a solid town tell on either of them. I suppose I could do PBPAs on them to show you what I think their mindset is at each point, but ultimately neither of them are in danger of being lynched at the moment and I don't see the point in exerting that much effort when I've already made up my mind to not vote them at the moment. I'll be rechecking all alignments D2 after the lynch + night kills for interactions if that makes you feel better.
Ultimately the only people I'm dead set against lynching are Atog and Mindreaver. Everyone else is fair game based on interactions and behavior.
If Blos and Proph have been playing scummy, feel free to make a case. To this point it is extremely scattered (I just went through the most recent half of your iso to see if you ever laid it out) and sometimes you waffle on Proph and wonder what it means for Blos's alignment if Ghosting flips scum, stuff like that. If you want Blos to be the lynch, tell us why his play is scummy, don't just point out that it is. Maybe you're seeing things no one else is. But I think we have two wagons already and you'll probably have a hard time making him the lynch over Ghosting or Seppel.
@Silver Why is it that Proph and Blos get an auto clearance with you even though their play has been so scummy this game?
I'm genuinely curious. It's like some of you have decided they get an auto win if they are scum. No one here can say that Proph has done anything to clear himself as town and Blos has been blatantly trying to push Ghosting without a case against him. This is looking like it might be one of those games where I have to painfully watch us lose because no one is willing to question why they town cleared people.
They aren't "auto-cleared," the only people with that (dubious?) honor at the moment are Atog and Mindreaver.
With Bloscovi, it's just a feeling I got from the back-and-forths we've had since I replaced in. His case on Ghosting doesn't meet your approval, I know, but I think it's town-on-town at worst. I don't think he was hard bussing him.
Proph is a bit... I don't know. I've been waffling on moving him to lean town or null, but ultimately he just doesn't seem scummy to me. I mean, he seems like less likely scum than the players I have lean town or null. I could be wrong! I absolutely could be. Could be wrong on Blos as well.
So, yeah. I don't have a solid town tell on either of them. I suppose I could do PBPAs on them to show you what I think their mindset is at each point, but ultimately neither of them are in danger of being lynched at the moment and I don't see the point in exerting that much effort when I've already made up my mind to not vote them at the moment. I'll be rechecking all alignments D2 after the lynch + night kills for interactions if that makes you feel better.
Ultimately the only people I'm dead set against lynching are Atog and Mindreaver. Everyone else is fair game based on interactions and behavior.
If Blos and Proph have been playing scummy, feel free to make a case. To this point it is extremely scattered (I just went through the most recent half of your iso to see if you ever laid it out) and sometimes you waffle on Proph and wonder what it means for Blos's alignment if Ghosting flips scum, stuff like that. If you want Blos to be the lynch, tell us why his play is scummy, don't just point out that it is. Maybe you're seeing things no one else is. But I think we have two wagons already and you'll probably have a hard time making him the lynch over Ghosting or Seppel.
I've made a really good case and posted it several times. He doesn't need to be the lynch today, that wasn't the point. The point was that I see many people have town cleared both of them when Proph hasn't even played the game much. He's barned whatever Blos says and admitted at times he's had no good reason to do that. The way Blos plays makes it very hard for us to win. He just tunnels someone without a strong case and hopes for the best.
Ugh, and also I don't want this to be a 2000 post day one.
Ugh. In my very first game on this site someone said that Doctor is the most frequently fake-claimed role on this forum. I'd hate to lose a town doctor. On the other hand, I'm gonna protect Seppel, because rage-quitting is totally townie.
Unvote: Gentleman Johnny
Vote: Ghosting
What?
How is this coming from a town player in any way? I have not (and will not be) cc'ed, and you are wanting me lynched. You do realise you are hopping on a wagon very close to lynch that is a claimed doctor?
This is a normal game. Have you ever heard of a normal game giving out fake-claims for the scum team? If there are fake-claims being given out to scum teams in a Normal game then this game has been mis-classified. Do you think Iso mis-classified this game? And yet there's N-A-G (and somebody else who's name I'm forgetting) spouting off nonsense about how there are fake claims in a Normal Game. Both NAG and Gentleman Johnny are scum.
What is your definition of a falseclaim? Because I've seen those be commonly given to scum in all types of games.
I kind of rolled my eyes at the Hunger claim when I first saw/skimmed through it (oh, that's a scum pushing against the townbloc) but now that I've actually read it in more detail he brings up a number of good points about him and it reads with a fair amount of conviction. The problem is that now my reads are kind of thrown up in a jiffy - before, I thought "OK, Kraj is scum, I see no inclination to think that my reads are wrong - let's keep going!"
But now the Doctor claim and stuff like that (Hunger post, etc) kind of threw a huge wrench into my reads.
Honestly I'm unsure about the Doctor claim. I really want to believe Ghosting's claim since some of his later posts have been pretty genuine-ish? But the wild conga line from Neutral -> Doctor is incredibly crazy. I'm tempted to turn my brain and vote Ghosting especially since I was snowed by this in a recent game but I really want a counterclaim before I move on with Ghosting.
Unvote
Uuuuuugh the Siberian Guard thing though. My gut still says that Ghosting is still somewhat town, due to the extraneous stuff he added onto his role (like this just feels like - why would you even add this as scum?)
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My flavour mentions NAG’s and GJ’s character names in a way that makes me suspicious of them, hence my consistent suspicions of their claim.
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@Proph-Please try and give a thoughtful answer. Would Bloscovi be the type of player who would like the idea of bussing to get deep cover early on and then try to last out potentially by himself through a long game? I know some players would love to get deep early and then have a nice scum story to tell. How does Bloscovi play as scum, ego wise?
I don't know about ego, but Bloscovi definitely busses hard. It's something you need to watch out for, but I don't think he's scum in this game, though.
I don't know, guys. I'm honestly just so tempted to lynch some X person and go into Night happy with myself that we already got a scum in the bag, but that's the kind of attitude that loses games. It feels like there's so many X or Y alignments that we need to resolve (Brinatoo vs Ghosting, Hunger vs Seppel, etc).
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1) What's your current read on TappingStones and Huntzilla?
2) Do you believe Ghosting's new claim?
3) Thoughts on lynching Seppel?
1) I have a strong town read on TappingStones and a somewhat light town read on Huntzilla for actually going through the linked game and asking about it.
2) Yes, somewhat. He's been playing strong and there are a lot of extraneous stuff that he pulled into his claim that I have trouble scum actually doing.
3) I don't know, man. Hunger posted a strong case and then Seppel put out a anger-filled, emotional response that reads as passionate. Sorry for the waffly answer, but I spent a fair amount of time on this game and all of these conditional alignments is making my head spin and making me lazy.
If I believe Ghosting, and I'm waffling on Seppel, who is my vote going to? That's something I still haven't figured out.
I want Togs to catch up before the deadline though.
I don't know, guys. I'm honestly just so tempted to lynch some X person and go into Night happy with myself that we already got a scum in the bag, but that's the kind of attitude that loses games. It feels like there's so many X or Y alignments that we need to resolve (Brinatoo vs Ghosting, Hunger vs Seppel, etc).
Quote from Silvercrys »
1) What's your current read on TappingStones and Huntzilla?
2) Do you believe Ghosting's new claim?
3) Thoughts on lynching Seppel?
1) I have a strong town read on TappingStones and a somewhat light town read on Huntzilla for actually going through the linked game and asking about it.
2) Yes, somewhat. He's been playing strong and there are a lot of extraneous stuff that he pulled into his claim that I have trouble scum actually doing.
3) I don't know, man. Hunger posted a strong case and then Seppel put out a anger-filled, emotional response that reads as passionate. Sorry for the waffly answer, but I spent a fair amount of time on this game and all of these conditional alignments is making my head spin and making me lazy.
If I believe Ghosting, and I'm waffling on Seppel, who is my vote going to? That's something I still haven't figured out.
I want Togs to catch up before the deadline though.
I actually find my feelings very similar to where Proph is at in answer #3 for what it's worth. Is the scum actually just Brinatoo/Mato/Jobie? that would be insane.
Jobie/Atog is probably not on the scum team and I will claim to prove it if he somehow gets run up.
I mean, there's a chance he's fooled me if scum got fake claims or something, but we won't know that unless we lynch Ghosting. If Ghosting flips scum he tried to use the same fake claim as Kraj and got caught red handed. I'll have to reevaluate Atog at that point because Iso might be screwing with me.
Ugh. In my very first game on this site someone said that Doctor is the most frequently fake-claimed role on this forum. I'd hate to lose a town doctor. On the other hand, I'm gonna protect Seppel, because rage-quitting is totally townie.
Unvote: Gentleman Johnny
Vote: Ghosting
What?
How is this coming from a town player in any way? I have not (and will not be) cc'ed, and you are wanting me lynched. You do realise you are hopping on a wagon very close to lynch that is a claimed doctor?
There's no guarantee that there's a doctor in this game. In my second scum-game ever one of my teammates claimed Doctor to out the real doctor, but there was no doctor and so he just rode that claim to victory. I'm wholeheartedly acknowledging that you could be a doctor but Seppel is a townread and you're not.
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Didn't Ghosting put you lean scum before he claimed doctor? Doesn't really change much, I guess, but...
Here's where I'm at:
Probably Town
Mindreaver
not_a_gimmick
Bloscovi
Prophylaxis
Atogaholic
Lean Town
Gentleman Johnny
TappingStones
Hunger
Null
Huntzilla
Ghosting
imabusinessman
Matowar
Lean Scum
Brinatoo
Probably Scum
Seppel
Thoughts
I'd be willing to lynch any of my nulls, I suppose, but I want Seppel.
If he's PGO or ability absorber or something and decided as soon as he got the PM to gambit, he would've played the long con to convince us it was legit.
If he's not lying, the day ends in No Lynch and we reevaluate.
If he's town and lying, why ask for people to target him with whatever abilities they have? Will they get cookies?
I mean, I could be persuaded onto another wagon (like Brinatoo?) so Seppel can pass the laptop on N2 to confirm his claim, but... who's the lynch then? Brinatoo? I do not want Atog dead. I'm 90% sure he's town.
The laptop might just be a one shot protection for whoever has it (reasonable as scum) and he has a regular ability to be an absorber or whatever. But I'll burn that bridge if we lynch him and he lives.
FWIW, I had you as leaning scum before, but the mindset is that you're drawing attention to the fact my claim wasn't believable, and I wanted the claim to be as believed as possible because my goal was to maintain that claim as long as I could to avoid the NK.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
1) What's your current read on TappingStones and Huntzilla?
2) Do you believe Ghosting's new claim?
3) Thoughts on lynching Seppel?
@Hunger: In regards to your Seppel wagon, do you think it's more likely that Seppel and Ghosting are unaligned or Ghosting has been bussing Seppel?
Did the scum team get false claims, and Ghosting just picked one, not realizing Kraj already used it?
Unvote ; Vote Ghosting
If you really want me to claim, I'm not strictly opposed to it, but I think there's too many claimed roles flying around for D1 as it is. If you want to see my claim, help me lynch Seppel, I already promised Mindreaver that.
@Ghosting:
Seppel can wait until tomorrow. Your very existence is a pain in the ass because we'll never know if we can trust you until you're dead.
I hope you're scum, but I don't actually care at this point.
Unvote
Vote: Ghosting
Ghosting (5): Brinatoo, Prophylaxis, not_a_gimmick, Bloscovi, Silvercrys3467
Jobie (2): Ghosting, Seppel
Matowar77 (1): Huntzilla
Seppel (3): Hunger, Gentleman Johnny, Mindreaver
With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I can do something interesting with it, and then pass it on again, potentially.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Problem with coordinating with Seppel is one, he's probably pissed at us and two, he's V/LA until the deadline. I'd be willing to let him live to pass (on probably N2), I guess, but I don't know who to lynch in the mean time. Maybe Brinatoo if Ghosting flips town, but I can't honestly say I blame him.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Is there a chance the town wagons are split on scum and the scum are on Atog since he seemed like an easy lynch?
I mean, obviously there is a chance, but is it likely?
I'm not sure on ghosting. I'm just not. Best case: scum dead, yay. Worst Case: we're lynching the doctor, and giving the scum freedom to choose their target tonight. I'm more inclined to giving ghosting the benefit of the doubt, and see what happens tonight.
On the other hand, we lynch Seppel. Best case: he's scum and we caught him, sweet. Worst case: He lives, and we talk about what that means tomorrow. No lynch, but not a mislynch either. That seems safer to me, especially since we've killed one scum already today.
I could get on board a Brinatoo, as a consensus compromise. I'm on the fence there as well and it'd probably take a few days to suss that out, before I was comfortable pulling the trigger.
I still think the Atog slot is scummy, but I'm townreading silver very highly, he's one of the three people I'd pass my gun to tonight. So if he's got something that we can look at D2 that clears Atog, then I'll play along (I'm also not interested in you claiming yet, we've definitely had enough of that).
I'm going to also take Hunger off my "scum lean" list. The last few posts, and especially the Seppel reads, have been great.
Pretty much all of my strong town reads are voting one of the two.
No, I'm saying that the first thought that came to my mind was that the reason Brinatoo, out of everyone, picked that up, was because maybe scum have falseclaims, and he therefore knew Kraj's falseclaim because he himself knows the falesclaim. This is a situation that would be confirmed if Brinatoo flips scum, because he picked up on that when nobody else did.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
I'm not sure I want to deal with Brinatoo until we sort out Ghosting.
They've had a lot of interactions, and I need to figure out if it's potentially bussing, or not.
I'm inclined to say it's either Seppel or Ghosting today, with sorting out Atogaholic-slot and maybe Matowar on D2.
If I thought Seppel would bother checking thread I'd keep him alive, because him passing me the item would be ideal if it actually is what he says it is. (And, I mean, if it's not then...duh? Caught in a lie, lynch with prejudice, etc)
I would still support the Seppel wagon today but Ghosting has botched every claim he's made this game. It's incredibly difficult to figure out what's going on when we're catching him in something new every other page. I'd rather just... not deal with it. If he's the doctor, he shouldn't have gambited.
Ultimately, I'd lynch either of them. My vote's on Ghosting right now, partly because Seppel is V/LA so my vote puts no pressure on him.
If he's just going to V/LA then what's the point of letting him stick around? His V/LA seems to be based on the case against him, which is against the spirit of V/LA. It's supposed to exist to allow busy people to do what they need to do with out being under much suspicion. Not for temper tantrums. Caught scum?
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
And if ghosting has pulled the wool over my eyes, it's going to be pretty obvious overnight.
Without a straight cc it would be beyond most protocol to lynch the claimed doctor. It comes off strangely that Blos wants to still lynch him and is pushing so hard to get that item from Seppel.
I really don't like that people have town cleared Blos and Proph so easily. Their behavior has been erratic and often scummy. If Ghosting does flip doctor Blos and Proph have A LOT of questions to answer on why they were /barning each other without much of a case on Ghosting.
Except I haven't been pushing GJ/NAG. In fact, I've literally said we shouldn't even consider lynching GJ today. Additionally, I've made no comments that even suggest NAG is scum. I don't see why you'd make that up.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
If he's the doctor, it's unfortunate but he did it to himself by false claiming.
Or he scum slipped and IMAB caught him admitting the scum got fake claims.
There's also the little thing where everyone else with power roles has claimed a character name. Nothing about any of his claims lines up except that he's claiming whatever he can to get out of the lynch.
But I'll lynch either of them, the cases are both good. At this point, I think they're scum together, and Seppel was one of the people town clearing Ghosting based on meta.
Making it even more likely Seppel is scum.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
So why are you voting Jobie?
I thought I took my vote of Jobie/Atog a while ago, however, I am absolutely on board with lynching Seppel (and have been for a while).
Vote Seppel.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Seppel (3): Hunger, Gentleman Johnny, Mindreaver, TappingStones, Ghosting
Hunger: the person cc’ing Seppel.
GJ: A neutral player
Mindreaver: Confirmed town
Ghosting: The doctor
TS: TS
4/5 people on the wagon are people you know don’t have malicious intent. I'm sure that's a good thing, considering it's for sure coming from a bunch of non-scum perspectives.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Yeah and the fifth person is someone you said was obvious town until he caught you lying.
@Mindreaver: Give me your thoughts on the pros/cons for Ghosting/Seppel in a full list. I am very hesitant of the Seppel wagon because of Ghosting and I still have mixed feelings on bussing etc.
From my POV, anyway.
You might want to unvote and revote, Ghosting, last vote count has you on Atog still.
Mato read seems like busing to me, Jobie read looks super fence-sitty and he says jobie has "more content" which I don't quite understand, and Imab he states breadcrumb doesn't mean anything but then it makes him town? I don't see that as something he would say about a buddy at all. It's too... contradictory. So to answer more clearly, it looks like busing, fence-sitting to cast doubt, and then contradictory statements that are phrased poorly.
I barned it with the caveat that I wanted to focus on Kraj interactions first and Mato. Still really feeling Mato for scum right now. I think he's just trolling us waiting to die, because it will inevitably happen. Jobie just didn't have enough for me to go on (in my notes and memory that is), and I didn't want to push someone simply for lurking hardcore. He certainly isn't playing to win if he is scum, and with Atog replacing in it makes more sense to let him catch up. Especially when I had a few others higher on my priority list. I was more /barning the post "because it makes sense" than /barning to proceed to vote. That all said, with the more recent posts referencing Jobie, I have him solidly in the scum lean category. Hunger over the last few pages has made me feel much better about him, and I agree that I was letting my emotions get the better of me with the OMGUS-like vote. I wouldn't say he is a full town lean, but he's definitely moved up to null. I was feeling concerned with the Seppel/Hunger interactions previously... it felt like Seppel was trying to distance from Hunger, but the way Hunger has pushed back makes me doubt that assessment.
I understand you are trying to preserve the integrity of the game, and allow people time to grow as players and not run them up constantly. God knows I needed time to adjust my style and ween of the emotional responses that saw me coast through games at times. But sometimes scummy play is scummy play, and we just need to kill the scummy bastard and see what shakes out. I respect what you are trying to do Blos, but I think it is HIGHLY likely that Mato is just scum and in over his head... I mean his active lurking emoticons are just not something town!Mato would do... His posts result in a whole lot of nothing, and he's just fence sitting on every read. I remember being new and fence sitting myself. But Town!Mato actually has some opinions. This Mato does not...
Give me THREE definitive reads. Three people, solidly town or solidly scum. Mix and match, I don't give a *****. Just don't fence sit.
What do you think Kraj was doing naming you as a better vig target?
Do you think Seppel could be telling the truth?
Do you think Ghosting's Doc claim is real?
How many neutrals are in the game?
How many scum are on your team? And this case makes me feel better about Silver.
Unvote
Vote Seppel
@Hunger
Note even a little bit Russian. I have no problem telling you that.
I think you missed my vote on Hardwood. I am pretty sure I voted him because of his early play...
@Silver Why is it that Proph and Blos get an auto clearance with you even though their play has been so scummy this game?
I'm genuinely curious. It's like some of you have decided they get an auto win if they are scum. No one here can say that Proph has done anything to clear himself as town and Blos has been blatantly trying to push Ghosting without a case against him. This is looking like it might be one of those games where I have to painfully watch us lose because no one is willing to question why they town cleared people.
...and unvoted him. You're pushing a very weak point, and manipulating it. You even say "pushing your suspicion at minimum", and justify it by saying "still a push, not a literal push," and even "a psychological push".
Please reach further.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Unvote: Gentleman Johnny
Vote: Ghosting
With Bloscovi, it's just a feeling I got from the back-and-forths we've had since I replaced in. His case on Ghosting doesn't meet your approval, I know, but I think it's town-on-town at worst. I don't think he was hard bussing him.
Proph is a bit... I don't know. I've been waffling on moving him to lean town or null, but ultimately he just doesn't seem scummy to me. I mean, he seems like less likely scum than the players I have lean town or null. I could be wrong! I absolutely could be. Could be wrong on Blos as well.
So, yeah. I don't have a solid town tell on either of them. I suppose I could do PBPAs on them to show you what I think their mindset is at each point, but ultimately neither of them are in danger of being lynched at the moment and I don't see the point in exerting that much effort when I've already made up my mind to not vote them at the moment. I'll be rechecking all alignments D2 after the lynch + night kills for interactions if that makes you feel better.
Ultimately the only people I'm dead set against lynching are Atog and Mindreaver. Everyone else is fair game based on interactions and behavior.
If Blos and Proph have been playing scummy, feel free to make a case. To this point it is extremely scattered (I just went through the most recent half of your iso to see if you ever laid it out) and sometimes you waffle on Proph and wonder what it means for Blos's alignment if Ghosting flips scum, stuff like that. If you want Blos to be the lynch, tell us why his play is scummy, don't just point out that it is. Maybe you're seeing things no one else is. But I think we have two wagons already and you'll probably have a hard time making him the lynch over Ghosting or Seppel.
I've made a really good case and posted it several times. He doesn't need to be the lynch today, that wasn't the point. The point was that I see many people have town cleared both of them when Proph hasn't even played the game much. He's barned whatever Blos says and admitted at times he's had no good reason to do that. The way Blos plays makes it very hard for us to win. He just tunnels someone without a strong case and hopes for the best.
Ugh, and also I don't want this to be a 2000 post day one.
What?
How is this coming from a town player in any way? I have not (and will not be) cc'ed, and you are wanting me lynched. You do realise you are hopping on a wagon very close to lynch that is a claimed doctor?
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
I kind of rolled my eyes at the Hunger claim when I first saw/skimmed through it (oh, that's a scum pushing against the townbloc) but now that I've actually read it in more detail he brings up a number of good points about him and it reads with a fair amount of conviction. The problem is that now my reads are kind of thrown up in a jiffy - before, I thought "OK, Kraj is scum, I see no inclination to think that my reads are wrong - let's keep going!"
But now the Doctor claim and stuff like that (Hunger post, etc) kind of threw a huge wrench into my reads.
Honestly I'm unsure about the Doctor claim. I really want to believe Ghosting's claim since some of his later posts have been pretty genuine-ish? But the wild conga line from Neutral -> Doctor is incredibly crazy. I'm tempted to turn my brain and vote Ghosting especially since I was snowed by this in a recent game but I really want a counterclaim before I move on with Ghosting.
Unvote
Uuuuuugh the Siberian Guard thing though. My gut still says that Ghosting is still somewhat town, due to the extraneous stuff he added onto his role (like this just feels like - why would you even add this as scum?)
I don't know about ego, but Bloscovi definitely busses hard. It's something you need to watch out for, but I don't think he's scum in this game, though.
I don't know, guys. I'm honestly just so tempted to lynch some X person and go into Night happy with myself that we already got a scum in the bag, but that's the kind of attitude that loses games. It feels like there's so many X or Y alignments that we need to resolve (Brinatoo vs Ghosting, Hunger vs Seppel, etc).
1) I have a strong town read on TappingStones and a somewhat light town read on Huntzilla for actually going through the linked game and asking about it.
2) Yes, somewhat. He's been playing strong and there are a lot of extraneous stuff that he pulled into his claim that I have trouble scum actually doing.
3) I don't know, man. Hunger posted a strong case and then Seppel put out a anger-filled, emotional response that reads as passionate. Sorry for the waffly answer, but I spent a fair amount of time on this game and all of these conditional alignments is making my head spin and making me lazy.
If I believe Ghosting, and I'm waffling on Seppel, who is my vote going to? That's something I still haven't figured out.
I want Togs to catch up before the deadline though.
I actually find my feelings very similar to where Proph is at in answer #3 for what it's worth. Is the scum actually just Brinatoo/Mato/Jobie? that would be insane.
I mean, there's a chance he's fooled me if scum got fake claims or something, but we won't know that unless we lynch Ghosting. If Ghosting flips scum he tried to use the same fake claim as Kraj and got caught red handed. I'll have to reevaluate Atog at that point because Iso might be screwing with me.
There's no guarantee that there's a doctor in this game. In my second scum-game ever one of my teammates claimed Doctor to out the real doctor, but there was no doctor and so he just rode that claim to victory. I'm wholeheartedly acknowledging that you could be a doctor but Seppel is a townread and you're not.