Dude, I am writing up a response to you and a few others in between putting my baby back to sleep. What do you mean why didn't I claim yet? If you think I'm claiming before I've had a chance to respond, you're crazy.
I don't really think that you guys have any expectations of a quick hammer here, but! Also this is in part to annoy nacho, who I'm increasingly becoming confident is town which is really weird for me outside of westeros or me being scum. So weird.
The only thing that had me concerned about Seppel was his response to scarlet's breakdown of iso's behavior in claiming roles when town versus scum. I had a theory that seppel already knew blue was town and therefore automatically assumed that the comment about it being unfortunate that blue claimed pr was him assuming he was town when the analysis was the opposite. But that feels really silly and especially silly to be suspicious of someone for misinterpreting something especially when I tend to miss things/misinterpret them a lot.
....what?
Sometimes I have stray thoughts or theories that make sense only in my head and don't hold up. I have to put them out there or I dwell, so it's a bit of setting it free. Probably the best way to deal with my random theories unless I push them as something real is to just pat me on the head, tell me I'm cute, and continue about your day
Tammy continuing to waffle around has made me really convinced he's town. Scum don't waffle that hard.
As much as I love people recognizing that I'm town, I do waffle pretty hard as scum too. It's such a defining part of my play style that I have to or I get caught early. Also, I'm a she.
(Sorry in advance if any of the below is hard to read, I've had to keep coming back to it as my daughter is not sleeping well tonight.)
Very quick wagon - I have a feeling Chris is scum on it, partly because he feels overly whimsical with his reasoning behind switching to me despite his previous confidence on Seppel and also his response to Nacho where he says "although" you might be right about scum typically not wanting to draw more attention to themselves but he thinks Seppel isn't typical... well, duh? The thing I don't like about that is the "although" because it makes it seem like he's considering for the first time something that I'm sure he'd already have considered. Also, partly because of this post, which just feels like a scum post to me. And this because it feels more for show than anything else. He ignored that Wheat voted him for not RVSing despite the fact that they've played together several times prior and this is a known thing about Chris. Also his line about if Seppel is Town then one of Iso or I are scum because of our strong town games... that feels wrong too but I can't reference why in detail.
But Nacho - if you think Chris is more likely to be Town because he calls Town reads on him into question, you need to be more familiar with Chris (I need to be more familiar with Chris as well... but I feel like I'm going to be right this time!), normally, I'd agree with your assessment about generic player X, but not here.
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^ wrote this and refreshed and saw Necarg voted. Not sure what to think of that... I know he pushes wagons along as either alignment but still feel more town on him based on my initial impression. Maybe only one scum on my wagon.
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@Nacho - I'm not going to strip those out of quote walls but I'll respond to your points generally and if I miss something, let me know.
Re: Id - Okay, sure. It's possible that's what he did but I don't really believe it. He has over 2,000 posts on this forum and he'd have had to type it out. I'm actually thinking it's probable that he copy pasted it. I think it's much more likely that it was something like that that happened then he just decided to free text bold and was used to doing that on another forum. So why didn't I vote him over Seppel? Because Iso and Chris were pushing Seppel and I agreed, mostly because of how quickly Seppel relented to Chris's tell on him and how he kept trying to label Chris as a specific role. I wanted to start a wagon where I liked the pressure rather than competing against it with Id. I also didn't think it was likely to gain much traction based on that point, even though I'm pretty sold on it. You say that post also felt bad, why did you think it felt bad? Also as a bit of self meta, a scum me wouldn't say I am more confident someone else is scum but then vote someone else, especially that early in the game. "Crocodile point" means the html piece, btw... because they look like crocodiles. My Id read is unchanged.
Re: Seppel - Why did I tell him active when I thought he was scum? If he was scum, he'd lock himself into a claim that would hold him accountable to that role from then on out, if not, then perhaps it would be useful. There's nothing about what I shared that worried me about sharing, either way, and I preferred to see him take it to its logical conclusion and judge from there. I wouldn't have gone along with a full claim, for example. This specific point is selectively being used against me as Iso did the same thing (called Seppel scum and still answered his question), so what do you see as the difference?
Re: the role cop and Chris situation - maybe it's that I'm getting more familiar with how Chris communicates, but I thought it was pretty obvious that Chris wasn't counter-claiming Seppel and was talking about Seppel's play in general, and I thought it felt like Seppel was trying to pin Chris down into a role either so that he'd correct it or so that he could continue saying that his read on Sir Chris driven by role and not behavior because Chris was saying that his tell was that his behavior. It does seem hard to believe to me that people with familiarity playing with Chris wouldn't have understood what he meant there.
My current read on Seppel is leaning Town mostly because of the game's general approach around his play, and I don't think he's scum with Chris, and that I have a feeling he wouldn't jump to put me at L-2 if he was scum there after I'd been on him (although I'm not entirely confident about that point, but game flow signs point toward him being town, I think).
Re: Necarg - Call it a shallow read if you want but Necarg is new and I was just a scum buddy with him in our last game and I didn't get the sense that he would feel comfortable joking around as scum.
Re: Wheat - yeah, that was mostly my read on Wheat (also that he voted Chris for RVS when he has played with Chris enough now to know that he doesn't RVS). Wheat is developing a stronger scum game (at least he did last time he played) and I've noticed that something he adds into his scum game is an intentional lack of attention to detail - perhaps it's because he thinks it's towny looking, perhaps it's because he thinks he does it as town... but I didn't think where he did it there felt very believable like he wouldn't remember. It's not an "I gotcha moment" in that he could have gone back to look, of course he could have, it's a posting style thing in that I think that scum!Wheat looks for opportunities to appear as though details don't matter to him because he thinks it makes him look more care free. I think there are other players on this site that he's seen do similarly and he's made an effort to start incorporating that into his game - I also wanted to see how he would react (as an aside, I actually didn't think it was very likely that he was scum with Seppel because of their interactions, although I was musing that over and there was a line Seppel said to him that had me thinking maybe I was wrong that they weren't mutually exclusive... but that's neither here nor there now)
Since then I've liked him much better, both in the way he realized he was wrong about saying why he was voting Chris but didn't really blink, and a lot because of #153 and how he agreed with my point that the situation is different but just stuck to his guns on the read - I feel like scum Wheat would have done more to try to prove me wrong there and then the way he just rattled off more general kind of quick thoughts on why he liked the people on my wagon, which feels different to me in the way he's played as scum recently.
Question for you why so anxious to have me claim before even seeing how I responded to the votes on me?
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@Tammy - It wasn't that simple in my head in that moment and it wasn't my chief focus. I do think of Star Trek when I think of you, but that wasn't my focus with that post, either (other than the context of thinking you're clever). Here's why I said it was giving me the creeps in more detail. You listed your understanding of what our mini games have in terms of roles and thought one of them was lying based on your own. On the surface, I think this is a very towny point. But I was also thinking that's exactly the kind of post that very good scum players make because it's kind of a hook post that could make you look townie based on your past experiences. And also the way you kind of walked through your thought process but then concluded with "so someone is lying" but didn't give an indication as to who you thought it might be is why I said it felt like you were more focused on the mechanics, because you came to the conclusion that someone among these people is scum but didn't say anything about who you thought that might be.
One major difference between this game in Star Trek, though, is that you held your vote tight to you in that game and here you're using it aggressively. So that's probably a good sign.
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@Wheat - I'm not sure how to respond to you because you aren't really casing me, you're just saying that you don't believe me... but you're wrong, so... yeah.
I'm not claiming now. The wagon was fast and got to this point before I even had a chance to respond. If the group on my wagon still doesn't realize I'm Town after this, then I will... but that would be dumb.
Oh goodness, I just voted for you to see what would happen. You don't have the balls as scum to vote for me there.
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Glad we cleared up that.
Oh man, that post cracked me up. I really hope you are town.
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I'm sorry, I guess I should respond to your carefully thought out points. Perhaps not in order...
a) I didn't care about Wheat voting me due to lack of RVS because he did it in RVS. It's whatever, people just make up reasons to poke people at that point.
b) If you think there is such a thing as overly whimsical when it comes to my game then you need to make more notes because you have erred.
c) You give me a little too much credit, I hadn't thought about it from that angle before he mentioned it. I was focusing on other issues in relation to Seppel and since it is early day one wasn't examining from every possible tilt of the board.
d) that post isn't a scum post (when you don't explain what you see I can't offer you context btw) and the second post was, in fact, totally for show. It is called having fun with mafia I have a new avatar and everything, my wonderful senpai who can't read me~
Not that any of this will make a difference since you are going to find a way to justify that vote one way or another, you've been quite good at doing that in relation to me.
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I like Mister Nacho. ^^ He seems town, though I should probably look back at Crosstown 2 to be sure.
I believe that the case on Mister DC holds merit; in particular, the theory of Mister DC/Mister Id/Mister Necarg as the bad guys seems quite viable, especially given Mister Necarg's vote on Mister DC's wagon.
However, I am hesitant to hop on to Mister DC's wagon like a bunny primarily for the speed at which it developed. As stated, I believe Mister Necarg's vote on Mister DC was easily the worst one, though Mister Sep's also does not inspire confidence in me.
I will need more time to think about this - such as sometime when I am not at work.
If anyone has anything that they would like me to respond to later, please re-direct me to the statement or question. Thank you! ^^
@Blue - Do you truly think a scum DCIII at -1 comes out swinging at me of all people? <_<. I don't.
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Do you truly think I as scum unvote a scumbuddy at -1 (or I guess -2 to be fair) after he votes me?
Do you need reminding the bus I threw you under in Wu Tang?
Not trying to give you the answer even, search your heart!
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In seriousness, you're Sir Chris. As scum, you type as if you were a townie. You do the thing you would do as town.
Well, it's just that last game we were in together you said you had a beat on my scum game, so I thought that you would perhaps be able to tell the difference given your previous comments about my scum game being readable.
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I'm sorry, I guess I should respond to your carefully thought out points. Perhaps not in order...
a) I didn't care about Wheat voting me due to lack of RVS because he did it in RVS. It's whatever, people just make up reasons to poke people at that point.
b) If you think there is such a thing as overly whimsical when it comes to my game then you need to make more notes because you have erred.
c) You give me a little too much credit, I hadn't thought about it from that angle before he mentioned it. I was focusing on other issues in relation to Seppel and since it is early day one wasn't examining from every possible tilt of the board.
d) that post isn't a scum post (when you don't explain what you see I can't offer you context btw) and the second post was, in fact, totally for show. It is called having fun with mafia I have a new avatar and everything, my wonderful senpai who can't read me~
Not that any of this will make a difference since you are going to find a way to justify that vote one way or another, you've been quite good at doing that in relation to me.
Ow, my feelings. What experience do you have with my scum game, btw? But, you're right so however we get there.
I do believe you, because there's almost no scum incentive for you to unvote me as first responder on the scene there and then try to convince others that you're right. Maybe if you thought that the wagon was going to go through anyway, but I seriously doubt that's the case and you'd have waited for a claim first, probably.
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There has to be at least one scum on my wagon, though, so who do you think? Seppel's latest posts are pretty crappy but they kind of feel like ballooned confidence around feeling like he can read me.
I've noticed the trend of linking me with Id and saying that Id is more likely scum if I am, but pushing for me... which is something that I've done as scum before where I link a town player to a scum buddy with the idea that when town flips, I'd have the option to bus or I could find a reason to think the buddy was less suspicious... so that's something that I've kept an eye on and I think Nacho, Wheat, and Blue are in that boat (I might be misremembering Wheat). I also don't dig his asking me why I hadn't claimed yet when he did because, what?
Maybe Necarg just went gung ho with it and I should ignore my humor thoughts... but if Necarg is scum I still think there's another on the wagon. Tammy seems pretty legit so far to me.
I'm going to straight up claim as soon as we get all the active/passive info.
Hey DCIII tell us about the people NOT on your wagon.
Is there anyone? I've told you about Id. Hunger and Chilly are non-existent. I'm not feeling great about Blue because of the soft support of my wagon - especially when he didn't like you or Wheat beforehand, and also how he's buying into the Id/Necarg as scum buddies theory which seems like pretty shallow analysis from him, and my confidence is restored in Chris and I liked the points he was making earlier, and I didn't like Blue's response to why he ignored Id. Speaking of:
@Blue - I have a question for you in #117.
Iso2 I don't have a strong read on but I am used to Hunt being more vocal, Bur's chime in felt lackluster, and nothing from Rhand so far. So maybe there's something there.
I don't recall having any experience with your scum game off hand, but I am well aware that you are very keen on my game as we've discussed before. Knowing that, I cannot imagine a scenario where a scum DCIII, backed into a corner on his last leg, lashes at me of all people. There is truly no survival instinct when someone rears their head at me in that manner. You have seen me lay waste to scum who try to impose their will on me in one form or another, and I have confidence that of all the scenarios you could have imagined that attacking me of all people would be beyond the pale for you. It's...such a remarkably dangerous play, and you more than most realize that very fact. So this read does rely on the fact that I consider myself to be a scary player for scum, but scum chats of past games indicate this is a fair statement. If anyone familiar with my town game and DCIII's scum game wishes to disagree, please do.
Your original point against Id was pretty silly, but looking at the negative space as it relates to what others are saying about him is a good tact and I tend to agree with you there. Seppel's dancing around him thinking I was town is... something I am not willing to let go. Seppel tried multiple times to reframe the issue but I am not nearly satisfied. A waste of time voting for him for now though, as he will be claiming soon enough and then judgment will be laid upon his head one way or another.
Soft support is bad for Blue, yeah.
But we only have 3 scum so I am sure someone who looks awful could be town.
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I've read most of the thread with varying amounts of attention.
I keep waffling on Seppel. He feels more serious than when he is scum and it actually feels like there is a point to what his doing this game, whereas his scum plans are typically a lot more like busy work to distract the thread from being productive. And there is one other thing I think he does as scum that I haven't seen him do yet. I also don't see why he would want to lock himself into a claim as scum especially considering the number of PR claims already, but he IS Seppel. I'm leaning town, but I'll see how I feel after he actually claims.
@Seppel - I am Active as well.
@Seppel - In 115 you said the scum team isn't Iso/Chris/DC. Walk me through your thought process on that please.
I can't read Iso. Or rather, I always read Iso as scum probably due to his arrogance and not wanting to see him gloat if he is scum that tricks everyone. At this point in the game Town!Iso has usually gotten into at least one heated debate where he touts his scum hunting prowess and yells at someone a lot using rather abrasive language. Maybe it's this BlueElectric persona, but I'm not getting any of that here. I mean, despite the persona change he has still talked with Chris about how his theory opinion has stayed the same.
I think DC looks good after his wall. Points read really genuine and I like his reasoning for why he would answer Seppel despite having his vote and a scum read on him.
While I get why it looks like Chris has to be town for backing off DC in that situation, I think Chris is sneakier than that. If he is scum he is likely playing to end game and the way he wound up on that wagon on a DC that he knows is town (if he is scum and they aren't buddies) would probably not look great for him tomorrow. After Archer (or was it Wu-Tang?) I will likely never feel comfortable calling Chris for sure town based only on behavior, especially at this stage in the game. That said, I don't see anything that makes me want to push him either and if he is Town I feel pretty good about him doing a good job of weeding out scum.
@Chris - You said Rolecop works with any roles. Do you believe that? Also, maybe I missed something, but why are you sure there are 3 scum (I think someone else said the same as well)?
Nacho leans town to me. I liked his posts and they felt like he is making a concerted effort to poke where he sees things. He started the attack on DC and had points that seemed genuine and legitimately trying to figure it out. He made his points and also asked DC to interact with and not just planted his vote which shows he wants interaction which scum typically don't go seeking out. If Seppel is actually scum I would look at Nacho for a buddy though. He very clearly defended him and started the DC wagon in the face of Seppel being under some scrutiny in particular from Chris.
The rest of the players haven't made much of an impression on me that I recall. Which leaves me in an odd spot of not really having a strong scum read.
I think I agree with DC in that there is likely a scum on his wagon. I will probably take a look at how that developed again and who else was on it.
Wu Tang, where scum chris was killed by the SK for being too obviously town. 'The best.'
Role cop is an effective role by its nature as either alignment, only diminished if town is made up of nothing but the same role, which is an extreme example. But investigative roles which are that powerful can always have a place in a scum team, only the scope of their power is effected. As for 3 scum, 3 in 12 just makes bundles of sense. Certainly isn't 4, and I... suppose 2 could happen given some previous experience, but that was quite the odd set up.
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I suppose clicking your sig would have solved that for me...
I guess what I was getting at with the Rolecop question is do you think town it makes sense for town to have a rolecop in a normal setup with few power roles? I guess I had just always thought of Rolecop as a scum role. This also kind of ties in with my other question about the number of scum...
It seems we have a highly powered game so far based on claims. It seems like that could be very swingy and I was curious if that might effect the scum team numbers or point to an SK?
Rolecop for town is just a cop variant, depending on the sorts of powers scum has.
I haven't paid any mind to the power claims, they don't all need to be town or even true at all.
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Okay i kinda sped read the last few pages because i just wanted to be done with it all sonce this is the third time trying to read them today...
I would just like to point out a few things here. 1 as far as i recall masscaliming is jot generally a good thing on day 1 as it gives the scum more info than the7 initally had. Which is more than the town has. Ia this no longer true/ changed because of night 0? (Side note is it ever appropriate to use the term "mafia?" Was never clear on this)
Second why does sep call for a massclaim within a wall of text during the rvs? And why do we all just accept this as legitimate and accept and claim? For those of you you confused about why i am asking this, ibid.
Third. My stance on day one (and 2 for that matter) is that we are all just randomly pointibg fingers at people hopibg they will slip up, all while hoping no one points the finger at us hard enough to get lynched d1. D2 is much the same except we now have two confirmed (because they are dead) alligences. I feel that much of the logical and in my opinion fun debate runs from d3 on. So yes. I hate d1. I have and probably always will hate d1. I said it in my first post because that is exactly what i intend to do in every mafia game until it stops being true. You all havent played with me, with the exception of possibly iso, sep, and dc, so you dont know the history to go with it, so to you it probably does seem like a tell or what not. But its just a nuetral statement from me. You want to lynch me for it? Fine. I will still hate d1.
I am slightly confused about why if dc 3 flips scum i am more scummy given that i have had one post before now, but maybe a reread will shed some light on it.
I am against a massclaim for reasons stated above. I also think sep is scummy for suggesting it, but as i am still newbish to mafia and outdated at that, i would like to hear some opinions.
Also, the fact that the gambit is high risk, low reward is not convincing to me to have sep be considered town. How low is the reward really, when sep saying that is what some of the "town reads" on sep are steming from? So far i agree that sep is atleast not acting in the best interest of the town.
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In seriousness, you're Sir Chris. As scum, you type as if you were a townie. You do the thing you would do as town.
Well, it's just that last game we were in together you said you had a beat on my scum game, so I thought that you would perhaps be able to tell the difference given your previous comments about my scum game being readable.
Okay i kinda sped read the last few pages because i just wanted to be done with it all sonce this is the third time trying to read them today...
I would just like to point out a few things here. 1 as far as i recall masscaliming is jot generally a good thing on day 1 as it gives the scum more info than the7 initally had. Which is more than the town has. Ia this no longer true/ changed because of night 0? (Side note is it ever appropriate to use the term "mafia?" Was never clear on this)
Second why does sep call for a massclaim within a wall of text during the rvs? And why do we all just accept this as legitimate and accept and claim? For those of you you confused about why i am asking this, ibid.
Third. My stance on day one (and 2 for that matter) is that we are all just randomly pointibg fingers at people hopibg they will slip up, all while hoping no one points the finger at us hard enough to get lynched d1. D2 is much the same except we now have two confirmed (because they are dead) alligences. I feel that much of the logical and in my opinion fun debate runs from d3 on. So yes. I hate d1. I have and probably always will hate d1. I said it in my first post because that is exactly what i intend to do in every mafia game until it stops being true. You all havent played with me, with the exception of possibly iso, sep, and dc, so you dont know the history to go with it, so to you it probably does seem like a tell or what not. But its just a nuetral statement from me. You want to lynch me for it? Fine. I will still hate d1.
I am slightly confused about why if dc 3 flips scum i am more scummy given that i have had one post before now, but maybe a reread will shed some light on it.
I am against a massclaim for reasons stated above. I also think sep is scummy for suggesting it, but as i am still newbish to mafia and outdated at that, i would like to hear some opinions.
Also, the fact that the gambit is high risk, low reward is not convincing to me to have sep be considered town. How low is the reward really, when sep saying that is what some of the "town reads" on sep are steming from? So far i agree that sep is atleast not acting in the best interest of the town.
To be fair, I also dread D1 because there is a large pool of players and none are cleared in any way. usually leading to a VT lynch or PR lynch. D1 is worst. I say that (and will continue to say that) in all of my games (I might have not in Bravely Default, but that was my first game, and that's where I learned to loathe it.).
Seppel is obsessed with claiming. It's almost like he wants to be killed by scum.
I'm partially active and partially passive.
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Re: Id - Okay, sure. It's possible that's what he did but I don't really believe it. He has over 2,000 posts on this forum and he'd have had to type it out. I'm actually thinking it's probable that he copy pasted it. I think it's much more likely that it was something like that that happened then he just decided to free text bold and was used to doing that on another forum.
But why was he copying from a QT? Doesn't make any sense. I also think that you know this doesn't make any sense.
Re: Wheat - yeah, that was mostly my read on Wheat (also that he voted Chris for RVS when he has played with Chris enough now to know that he doesn't RVS). Wheat is developing a stronger scum game (at least he did last time he played) and I've noticed that something he adds into his scum game is an intentional lack of attention to detail - perhaps it's because he thinks it's towny looking, perhaps it's because he thinks he does it as town... but I didn't think where he did it there felt very believable like he wouldn't remember. It's not an "I gotcha moment" in that he could have gone back to look, of course he could have, it's a posting style thing in that I think that scum!Wheat looks for opportunities to appear as though details don't matter to him because he thinks it makes him look more care free. I think there are other players on this site that he's seen do similarly and he's made an effort to start incorporating that into his game - I also wanted to see how he would react (as an aside, I actually didn't think it was very likely that he was scum with Seppel because of their interactions, although I was musing that over and there was a line Seppel said to him that had me thinking maybe I was wrong that they weren't mutually exclusive... but that's neither here nor there now)
I tend to forget things unless they are very important, that holds true as every alignment.
And in the real world too. I spent an hour working on a project at work that only should have taken 10 minutes because I kept forgetting what all the steps were. Thank god it was friday so I could just leave and try again on Monday.
@Wheat - I'm not sure how to respond to you because you aren't really casing me, you're just saying that you don't believe me... but you're wrong, so... yeah.
If I specifically wanted a response I would have provided a question. For example:
How do I believe it? Because of the alligator text (you're wrong that I don't think this is a thing - and also to your other point about bolding in Quicktopics only being voting "<b>@mod</b> (insert question)"), because of the self-conscious line after, and because of the game flow of people linking me to him. Like, for example, Nacho vaguely saying he didn't like Id's opening post without more detail despite casing me for not liking it... and Blue buying into a me/Id/Necarg scum team which feels like shallow analysis from him (and also Blue's play around Id in general). Usually when enough dodgy things like that happen, it's a sign that I'm right about that player.
Since my post - spending the bulk of his catch up time talking about a mass claim and not following up on why he thought Blue had a scummy first post, as another example. Also saying Seppel is scummy for the mass claim but saying he's newbish and asking for opinions on that when there are many opinions on it within the thread. He's not offering analysis, he's just musing about the pros and cons of a mass claim and then speculating off of that. I think it's trying to look contributive without forcing himself to take any real stances. Also, if I wasn't onto something, I think he'd be more frustrated at me for pointing out the html piece because he'd view that as ticky tacky - but he's not, it's an after the fact clarification. I feel like if he was town in that scenario, especially with little experience, and that was a benign mistake, he'd be more worked up over me suspecting him for it.
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Knowing your experience with both sides of my game, I'm kind of in disbelief that you think I'd take an angle like that if I were scum or that you'd think I'd feel the need to try to replicate your scum playstyle. It also feels like you're not reading because if you had been reading the interchange between Chris and myself earlier, I think you'd have known why I was suspecting Id even if you didn't agree with it. I'm also wondering why in both of your last two posts you clarified the attention to detail thing when I was no longer expressing suspicion of you before your first response and I didn't protest after you gave it. Your wanting me to claim when I have three votes in total on me feels weird as well. A natural reaction there I'd think would be to try to get other people to rejoin my wagon to lynch me because you still think I'm scum, and your phrasing would be appealing to that. This feels like your focus is primarily on getting the claim.
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How do I believe it? Because of the alligator text (you're wrong that I don't think this is a thing - and also to your other point about bolding in Quicktopics only being voting "<b>@mod</b> (insert question)"), because of the self-conscious line after, and because of the game flow of people linking me to him. Like, for example, Nacho vaguely saying he didn't like Id's opening post without more detail despite casing me for not liking it... and Blue buying into a me/Id/Necarg scum team which feels like shallow analysis from him (and also Blue's play around Id in general). Usually when enough dodgy things like that happen, it's a sign that I'm right about that player.
Wait, who do you actually believe is scum at this point? Chris, Blue, Id?
I see Id as low hanging fruit. Given his first few posts, I expect him to do scummy things, but I don't actually believe that he's scum because of it. I think he's an easy mislynch and you know it too.
Since my post - spending the bulk of his catch up time talking about a mass claim and not following up on why he thought Blue had a scummy first post, as another example. Also saying Seppel is scummy for the mass claim but saying he's newbish and asking for opinions on that when there are many opinions on it within the thread. He's not offering analysis, he's just musing about the pros and cons of a mass claim and then speculating off of that. I think it's trying to look contributive without forcing himself to take any real stances. Also, if I wasn't onto something, I think he'd be more frustrated at me for pointing out the html piece because he'd view that as ticky tacky - but he's not, it's an after the fact clarification. I feel like if he was town in that scenario, especially with little experience, and that was a benign mistake, he'd be more worked up over me suspecting him for it.
...which leads to the conclusion that he's not good at mafia, not that he's scum.
Knowing your experience with both sides of my game, I'm kind of in disbelief that you think I'd take an angle like that if I were scum or that you'd think I'd feel the need to try to replicate your scum playstyle. It also feels like you're not reading because if you had been reading the interchange between Chris and myself earlier, I think you'd have known why I was suspecting Id even if you didn't agree with it. I'm also wondering why in both of your last two posts you clarified the attention to detail thing when I was no longer expressing suspicion of you before your first response and I didn't protest after you gave it. Your wanting me to claim when I have three votes in total on me feels weird as well. A natural reaction there I'd think would be to try to get other people to rejoin my wagon to lynch me because you still think I'm scum, and your phrasing would be appealing to that. This feels like your focus is primarily on getting the claim.
I'm not saying that you're replicating my playstyle though? You're replicating YOUR scum playstyle from True Name.
I clarified the attention to detail thing because it was incorrect; why should I clarify only when under pressure?
I want you to claim because you hit L-2, and because I'm far more certain that you are scum than any other players.
What are your reads on other players?
Blue: Leaning town, I guess. Nothing strong here.
Seppel: Town. He feels exactly like True Name, and I don't buy the cases against him that say otherwise.
Id: Leaning town. I think he's low-hanging fruit.
chilly: Literally who?
Iso 2: No read.
Hunger: No read.
Necarg: Leaning town: doesn't feel like True Name but I don't have anything to back that statement up besides gut.
Nacho: Town. Strongest town read by far.
Chris: Town. His reactions under the initial push felt good.
Tammy: Town. The waffling on Nacho and general demeanor made her feel town despite her protests.
Looking over this list, I want to hear a LOT more from Iso 2, Hunger, and chilly.
He's trying to replicate what I did in True Name with pushing on things that look scummy coming from town, but he failed to actually pick things that are scummy.
I'm not saying that you're replicating my playstyle though? You're replicating YOUR scum playstyle from True Name.
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Wheat, if you think this game is replicating my play from True Name then you need to either dramatically re-evaluate how you're assessing those games or get lynched, I'm not sure which yet, but I'm starting to think it's the latter again because your T/S list feels pretty bad with the level of confidence you have around very good players being town and how you really don't have other suspects except the people who haven't posted much.
I hit L-2 without responding to a speed wagon. I'm not scum, and I'm not claiming unless I hit L-2 again.
The people I'm most suspicious of right now are Id, Blue, you, Nacho, but I am waiting on Nacho and Blue to re-enter the fray and see what they have to say, I want to see the quiet group of the hydra, Necarg, and Chilly do more, I want to see what's up with Seppel, etc.
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It concerns me with how much reckless abandon u play with as "town" Seppel. As others have said, it seems like ur playing for your own role rather than the town's. It cannot be gto for a massclaim day1 as town and with whatever t/s frequencies you're declaring mafia rolecop, I doubt you're balanced. Your claim that involves confirming other power roles was actually a ploy to bait out the actual rolecop so that you kill them n1 and keep your claim from truly going contested. Your strategy is risky though because you're not sure if Sir Chris was actually counter-claiming and "role-cop" Sir Chris is not sure if we're actually gonna be able to lynch you day 1. If by Maverick you mean SK then I totally believe you and it seems like you have your target lined up already you just need to find someone to lynch.
The first sentence makes me feel like chilly is scum in my gut. The second makes me consider it in my brain, because it's mindless barning. The third straight up confuses me. The fourth made me laugh because that conclusion is not the correct one, at all, and then it made me pretty certain he's scum gut-wise. I let the fifth go after it pleaded himself. The sixth confirms it in my brain too that he's scum because he's SK hunting.
I'm pretty sold on the idea that chilly thinks Seppel is anti-town, and is trying to reconcile that with the fact that chilly is also scum.
I'll come back to DC later.
@DC: Goddammit. I no longer think the first part, then, but I still believe the second.
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Why didn't you claim yet? Isn't L-2 standard on this site?
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I don't really think that you guys have any expectations of a quick hammer here, but! Also this is in part to annoy nacho, who I'm increasingly becoming confident is town which is really weird for me outside of westeros or me being scum. So weird.
Sometimes I have stray thoughts or theories that make sense only in my head and don't hold up. I have to put them out there or I dwell, so it's a bit of setting it free. Probably the best way to deal with my random theories unless I push them as something real is to just pat me on the head, tell me I'm cute, and continue about your day
As much as I love people recognizing that I'm town, I do waffle pretty hard as scum too. It's such a defining part of my play style that I have to or I get caught early. Also, I'm a she.
Very quick wagon - I have a feeling Chris is scum on it, partly because he feels overly whimsical with his reasoning behind switching to me despite his previous confidence on Seppel and also his response to Nacho where he says "although" you might be right about scum typically not wanting to draw more attention to themselves but he thinks Seppel isn't typical... well, duh? The thing I don't like about that is the "although" because it makes it seem like he's considering for the first time something that I'm sure he'd already have considered. Also, partly because of this post, which just feels like a scum post to me. And this because it feels more for show than anything else. He ignored that Wheat voted him for not RVSing despite the fact that they've played together several times prior and this is a known thing about Chris. Also his line about if Seppel is Town then one of Iso or I are scum because of our strong town games... that feels wrong too but I can't reference why in detail.
But Nacho - if you think Chris is more likely to be Town because he calls Town reads on him into question, you need to be more familiar with Chris (I need to be more familiar with Chris as well... but I feel like I'm going to be right this time!), normally, I'd agree with your assessment about generic player X, but not here.
Unvote: Vote: Sir Chris
^ wrote this and refreshed and saw Necarg voted. Not sure what to think of that... I know he pushes wagons along as either alignment but still feel more town on him based on my initial impression. Maybe only one scum on my wagon.
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@Nacho - I'm not going to strip those out of quote walls but I'll respond to your points generally and if I miss something, let me know.
Re: Id - Okay, sure. It's possible that's what he did but I don't really believe it. He has over 2,000 posts on this forum and he'd have had to type it out. I'm actually thinking it's probable that he copy pasted it. I think it's much more likely that it was something like that that happened then he just decided to free text bold and was used to doing that on another forum. So why didn't I vote him over Seppel? Because Iso and Chris were pushing Seppel and I agreed, mostly because of how quickly Seppel relented to Chris's tell on him and how he kept trying to label Chris as a specific role. I wanted to start a wagon where I liked the pressure rather than competing against it with Id. I also didn't think it was likely to gain much traction based on that point, even though I'm pretty sold on it. You say that post also felt bad, why did you think it felt bad? Also as a bit of self meta, a scum me wouldn't say I am more confident someone else is scum but then vote someone else, especially that early in the game. "Crocodile point" means the html piece, btw... because they look like crocodiles. My Id read is unchanged.
Re: Seppel - Why did I tell him active when I thought he was scum? If he was scum, he'd lock himself into a claim that would hold him accountable to that role from then on out, if not, then perhaps it would be useful. There's nothing about what I shared that worried me about sharing, either way, and I preferred to see him take it to its logical conclusion and judge from there. I wouldn't have gone along with a full claim, for example. This specific point is selectively being used against me as Iso did the same thing (called Seppel scum and still answered his question), so what do you see as the difference?
Re: the role cop and Chris situation - maybe it's that I'm getting more familiar with how Chris communicates, but I thought it was pretty obvious that Chris wasn't counter-claiming Seppel and was talking about Seppel's play in general, and I thought it felt like Seppel was trying to pin Chris down into a role either so that he'd correct it or so that he could continue saying that his read on Sir Chris driven by role and not behavior because Chris was saying that his tell was that his behavior. It does seem hard to believe to me that people with familiarity playing with Chris wouldn't have understood what he meant there.
My current read on Seppel is leaning Town mostly because of the game's general approach around his play, and I don't think he's scum with Chris, and that I have a feeling he wouldn't jump to put me at L-2 if he was scum there after I'd been on him (although I'm not entirely confident about that point, but game flow signs point toward him being town, I think).
Re: Necarg - Call it a shallow read if you want but Necarg is new and I was just a scum buddy with him in our last game and I didn't get the sense that he would feel comfortable joking around as scum.
Re: Wheat - yeah, that was mostly my read on Wheat (also that he voted Chris for RVS when he has played with Chris enough now to know that he doesn't RVS). Wheat is developing a stronger scum game (at least he did last time he played) and I've noticed that something he adds into his scum game is an intentional lack of attention to detail - perhaps it's because he thinks it's towny looking, perhaps it's because he thinks he does it as town... but I didn't think where he did it there felt very believable like he wouldn't remember. It's not an "I gotcha moment" in that he could have gone back to look, of course he could have, it's a posting style thing in that I think that scum!Wheat looks for opportunities to appear as though details don't matter to him because he thinks it makes him look more care free. I think there are other players on this site that he's seen do similarly and he's made an effort to start incorporating that into his game - I also wanted to see how he would react (as an aside, I actually didn't think it was very likely that he was scum with Seppel because of their interactions, although I was musing that over and there was a line Seppel said to him that had me thinking maybe I was wrong that they weren't mutually exclusive... but that's neither here nor there now)
Since then I've liked him much better, both in the way he realized he was wrong about saying why he was voting Chris but didn't really blink, and a lot because of #153 and how he agreed with my point that the situation is different but just stuck to his guns on the read - I feel like scum Wheat would have done more to try to prove me wrong there and then the way he just rattled off more general kind of quick thoughts on why he liked the people on my wagon, which feels different to me in the way he's played as scum recently.
Question for you why so anxious to have me claim before even seeing how I responded to the votes on me?
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@Tammy - It wasn't that simple in my head in that moment and it wasn't my chief focus. I do think of Star Trek when I think of you, but that wasn't my focus with that post, either (other than the context of thinking you're clever). Here's why I said it was giving me the creeps in more detail. You listed your understanding of what our mini games have in terms of roles and thought one of them was lying based on your own. On the surface, I think this is a very towny point. But I was also thinking that's exactly the kind of post that very good scum players make because it's kind of a hook post that could make you look townie based on your past experiences. And also the way you kind of walked through your thought process but then concluded with "so someone is lying" but didn't give an indication as to who you thought it might be is why I said it felt like you were more focused on the mechanics, because you came to the conclusion that someone among these people is scum but didn't say anything about who you thought that might be.
One major difference between this game in Star Trek, though, is that you held your vote tight to you in that game and here you're using it aggressively. So that's probably a good sign.
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@Wheat - I'm not sure how to respond to you because you aren't really casing me, you're just saying that you don't believe me... but you're wrong, so... yeah.
I'm not claiming now. The wagon was fast and got to this point before I even had a chance to respond. If the group on my wagon still doesn't realize I'm Town after this, then I will... but that would be dumb.
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Oh god, I don't know what to make of that.
Oh goodness, I just voted for you to see what would happen. You don't have the balls as scum to vote for me there.
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Glad we cleared up that.
Oh man, that post cracked me up. I really hope you are town.
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a) I didn't care about Wheat voting me due to lack of RVS because he did it in RVS. It's whatever, people just make up reasons to poke people at that point.
b) If you think there is such a thing as overly whimsical when it comes to my game then you need to make more notes because you have erred.
c) You give me a little too much credit, I hadn't thought about it from that angle before he mentioned it. I was focusing on other issues in relation to Seppel and since it is early day one wasn't examining from every possible tilt of the board.
d) that post isn't a scum post (when you don't explain what you see I can't offer you context btw) and the second post was, in fact, totally for show. It is called having fun with mafia I have a new avatar and everything, my wonderful senpai who can't read me~
Not that any of this will make a difference since you are going to find a way to justify that vote one way or another, you've been quite good at doing that in relation to me.
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I believe that the case on Mister DC holds merit; in particular, the theory of Mister DC/Mister Id/Mister Necarg as the bad guys seems quite viable, especially given Mister Necarg's vote on Mister DC's wagon.
However, I am hesitant to hop on to Mister DC's wagon like a bunny primarily for the speed at which it developed. As stated, I believe Mister Necarg's vote on Mister DC was easily the worst one, though Mister Sep's also does not inspire confidence in me.
I will need more time to think about this - such as sometime when I am not at work.
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I'm going to straight up claim as soon as we get all the active/passive info.
Hey DCIII tell us about the people NOT on your wagon.
Do you need reminding the bus I threw you under in Wu Tang?
Not trying to give you the answer even, search your heart!
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More tonight, but tldr: dc is still scum, and no dc, I'm just unobservant always
Well, it's just that last game we were in together you said you had a beat on my scum game, so I thought that you would perhaps be able to tell the difference given your previous comments about my scum game being readable.
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Ow, my feelings. What experience do you have with my scum game, btw? But, you're right so however we get there.
I do believe you, because there's almost no scum incentive for you to unvote me as first responder on the scene there and then try to convince others that you're right. Maybe if you thought that the wagon was going to go through anyway, but I seriously doubt that's the case and you'd have waited for a claim first, probably.
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There has to be at least one scum on my wagon, though, so who do you think? Seppel's latest posts are pretty crappy but they kind of feel like ballooned confidence around feeling like he can read me.
I've noticed the trend of linking me with Id and saying that Id is more likely scum if I am, but pushing for me... which is something that I've done as scum before where I link a town player to a scum buddy with the idea that when town flips, I'd have the option to bus or I could find a reason to think the buddy was less suspicious... so that's something that I've kept an eye on and I think Nacho, Wheat, and Blue are in that boat (I might be misremembering Wheat). I also don't dig his asking me why I hadn't claimed yet when he did because, what?
Maybe Necarg just went gung ho with it and I should ignore my humor thoughts... but if Necarg is scum I still think there's another on the wagon. Tammy seems pretty legit so far to me.
Is there anyone? I've told you about Id. Hunger and Chilly are non-existent. I'm not feeling great about Blue because of the soft support of my wagon - especially when he didn't like you or Wheat beforehand, and also how he's buying into the Id/Necarg as scum buddies theory which seems like pretty shallow analysis from him, and my confidence is restored in Chris and I liked the points he was making earlier, and I didn't like Blue's response to why he ignored Id. Speaking of:
@Blue - I have a question for you in #117.
Iso2 I don't have a strong read on but I am used to Hunt being more vocal, Bur's chime in felt lackluster, and nothing from Rhand so far. So maybe there's something there.
You're still wrong.
Here, let's do this.
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Your original point against Id was pretty silly, but looking at the negative space as it relates to what others are saying about him is a good tact and I tend to agree with you there. Seppel's dancing around him thinking I was town is... something I am not willing to let go. Seppel tried multiple times to reframe the issue but I am not nearly satisfied. A waste of time voting for him for now though, as he will be claiming soon enough and then judgment will be laid upon his head one way or another.
Soft support is bad for Blue, yeah.
But we only have 3 scum so I am sure someone who looks awful could be town.
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VOTE COUNT 1.2 (as of post 170)
DCIII-Scarlet_Electric, Nachomamma8, Seppel, Necarg(L-3)
Seppel=blue_electric(L-6)
Id_Ego=DCIII(L-6)
Not voting: Id_Ego, chilly_von_willy, Iso_II, Hunger, Tammy, Sir Chris
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I keep waffling on Seppel. He feels more serious than when he is scum and it actually feels like there is a point to what his doing this game, whereas his scum plans are typically a lot more like busy work to distract the thread from being productive. And there is one other thing I think he does as scum that I haven't seen him do yet. I also don't see why he would want to lock himself into a claim as scum especially considering the number of PR claims already, but he IS Seppel. I'm leaning town, but I'll see how I feel after he actually claims.
@Seppel - I am Active as well.
@Seppel - In 115 you said the scum team isn't Iso/Chris/DC. Walk me through your thought process on that please.
I can't read Iso. Or rather, I always read Iso as scum probably due to his arrogance and not wanting to see him gloat if he is scum that tricks everyone. At this point in the game Town!Iso has usually gotten into at least one heated debate where he touts his scum hunting prowess and yells at someone a lot using rather abrasive language. Maybe it's this BlueElectric persona, but I'm not getting any of that here. I mean, despite the persona change he has still talked with Chris about how his theory opinion has stayed the same.
I think DC looks good after his wall. Points read really genuine and I like his reasoning for why he would answer Seppel despite having his vote and a scum read on him.
While I get why it looks like Chris has to be town for backing off DC in that situation, I think Chris is sneakier than that. If he is scum he is likely playing to end game and the way he wound up on that wagon on a DC that he knows is town (if he is scum and they aren't buddies) would probably not look great for him tomorrow. After Archer (or was it Wu-Tang?) I will likely never feel comfortable calling Chris for sure town based only on behavior, especially at this stage in the game. That said, I don't see anything that makes me want to push him either and if he is Town I feel pretty good about him doing a good job of weeding out scum.
@Chris - You said Rolecop works with any roles. Do you believe that? Also, maybe I missed something, but why are you sure there are 3 scum (I think someone else said the same as well)?
Nacho leans town to me. I liked his posts and they felt like he is making a concerted effort to poke where he sees things. He started the attack on DC and had points that seemed genuine and legitimately trying to figure it out. He made his points and also asked DC to interact with and not just planted his vote which shows he wants interaction which scum typically don't go seeking out. If Seppel is actually scum I would look at Nacho for a buddy though. He very clearly defended him and started the DC wagon in the face of Seppel being under some scrutiny in particular from Chris.
The rest of the players haven't made much of an impression on me that I recall. Which leaves me in an odd spot of not really having a strong scum read.
I think I agree with DC in that there is likely a scum on his wagon. I will probably take a look at how that developed again and who else was on it.
Role cop is an effective role by its nature as either alignment, only diminished if town is made up of nothing but the same role, which is an extreme example. But investigative roles which are that powerful can always have a place in a scum team, only the scope of their power is effected. As for 3 scum, 3 in 12 just makes bundles of sense. Certainly isn't 4, and I... suppose 2 could happen given some previous experience, but that was quite the odd set up.
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I guess what I was getting at with the Rolecop question is do you think town it makes sense for town to have a rolecop in a normal setup with few power roles? I guess I had just always thought of Rolecop as a scum role. This also kind of ties in with my other question about the number of scum...
It seems we have a highly powered game so far based on claims. It seems like that could be very swingy and I was curious if that might effect the scum team numbers or point to an SK?
I haven't paid any mind to the power claims, they don't all need to be town or even true at all.
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I would just like to point out a few things here. 1 as far as i recall masscaliming is jot generally a good thing on day 1 as it gives the scum more info than the7 initally had. Which is more than the town has. Ia this no longer true/ changed because of night 0? (Side note is it ever appropriate to use the term "mafia?" Was never clear on this)
Second why does sep call for a massclaim within a wall of text during the rvs? And why do we all just accept this as legitimate and accept and claim? For those of you you confused about why i am asking this, ibid.
Third. My stance on day one (and 2 for that matter) is that we are all just randomly pointibg fingers at people hopibg they will slip up, all while hoping no one points the finger at us hard enough to get lynched d1. D2 is much the same except we now have two confirmed (because they are dead) alligences. I feel that much of the logical and in my opinion fun debate runs from d3 on. So yes. I hate d1. I have and probably always will hate d1. I said it in my first post because that is exactly what i intend to do in every mafia game until it stops being true. You all havent played with me, with the exception of possibly iso, sep, and dc, so you dont know the history to go with it, so to you it probably does seem like a tell or what not. But its just a nuetral statement from me. You want to lynch me for it? Fine. I will still hate d1.
I am slightly confused about why if dc 3 flips scum i am more scummy given that i have had one post before now, but maybe a reread will shed some light on it.
I am against a massclaim for reasons stated above. I also think sep is scummy for suggesting it, but as i am still newbish to mafia and outdated at that, i would like to hear some opinions.
Also, the fact that the gambit is high risk, low reward is not convincing to me to have sep be considered town. How low is the reward really, when sep saying that is what some of the "town reads" on sep are steming from? So far i agree that sep is atleast not acting in the best interest of the town.
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Id doesn't make me feel any better.
Hi Chilly, what do you think about stuff?
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To be fair, I also dread D1 because there is a large pool of players and none are cleared in any way. usually leading to a VT lynch or PR lynch. D1 is worst. I say that (and will continue to say that) in all of my games (I might have not in Bravely Default, but that was my first game, and that's where I learned to loathe it.).
Seppel is obsessed with claiming. It's almost like he wants to be killed by scum.
I'm partially active and partially passive.
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But why was he copying from a QT? Doesn't make any sense. I also think that you know this doesn't make any sense.
I tend to forget things unless they are very important, that holds true as every alignment.
And in the real world too. I spent an hour working on a project at work that only should have taken 10 minutes because I kept forgetting what all the steps were. Thank god it was friday so I could just leave and try again on Monday.
If I specifically wanted a response I would have provided a question. For example:
But how do you believe that?
I still want a DC claim.
Well, good luck with that.
How do I believe it? Because of the alligator text (you're wrong that I don't think this is a thing - and also to your other point about bolding in Quicktopics only being voting "<b>@mod</b> (insert question)"), because of the self-conscious line after, and because of the game flow of people linking me to him. Like, for example, Nacho vaguely saying he didn't like Id's opening post without more detail despite casing me for not liking it... and Blue buying into a me/Id/Necarg scum team which feels like shallow analysis from him (and also Blue's play around Id in general). Usually when enough dodgy things like that happen, it's a sign that I'm right about that player.
Since my post - spending the bulk of his catch up time talking about a mass claim and not following up on why he thought Blue had a scummy first post, as another example. Also saying Seppel is scummy for the mass claim but saying he's newbish and asking for opinions on that when there are many opinions on it within the thread. He's not offering analysis, he's just musing about the pros and cons of a mass claim and then speculating off of that. I think it's trying to look contributive without forcing himself to take any real stances. Also, if I wasn't onto something, I think he'd be more frustrated at me for pointing out the html piece because he'd view that as ticky tacky - but he's not, it's an after the fact clarification. I feel like if he was town in that scenario, especially with little experience, and that was a benign mistake, he'd be more worked up over me suspecting him for it.
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Knowing your experience with both sides of my game, I'm kind of in disbelief that you think I'd take an angle like that if I were scum or that you'd think I'd feel the need to try to replicate your scum playstyle. It also feels like you're not reading because if you had been reading the interchange between Chris and myself earlier, I think you'd have known why I was suspecting Id even if you didn't agree with it. I'm also wondering why in both of your last two posts you clarified the attention to detail thing when I was no longer expressing suspicion of you before your first response and I didn't protest after you gave it. Your wanting me to claim when I have three votes in total on me feels weird as well. A natural reaction there I'd think would be to try to get other people to rejoin my wagon to lynch me because you still think I'm scum, and your phrasing would be appealing to that. This feels like your focus is primarily on getting the claim.
What are your reads on other players?
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I think it might be "if I can't find multiple explicit proofs of chris's towniness, he's scum." Yeah, I know that's vague.
Good news, though. During my search, I found a new quote for my sig.
Wait, who do you actually believe is scum at this point? Chris, Blue, Id?
I see Id as low hanging fruit. Given his first few posts, I expect him to do scummy things, but I don't actually believe that he's scum because of it. I think he's an easy mislynch and you know it too.
...which leads to the conclusion that he's not good at mafia, not that he's scum.
I'm not saying that you're replicating my playstyle though? You're replicating YOUR scum playstyle from True Name.
I clarified the attention to detail thing because it was incorrect; why should I clarify only when under pressure?
I want you to claim because you hit L-2, and because I'm far more certain that you are scum than any other players.
Blue: Leaning town, I guess. Nothing strong here.
Seppel: Town. He feels exactly like True Name, and I don't buy the cases against him that say otherwise.
Id: Leaning town. I think he's low-hanging fruit.
chilly: Literally who?
Iso 2: No read.
Hunger: No read.
Necarg: Leaning town: doesn't feel like True Name but I don't have anything to back that statement up besides gut.
Nacho: Town. Strongest town read by far.
Chris: Town. His reactions under the initial push felt good.
Tammy: Town. The waffling on Nacho and general demeanor made her feel town despite her protests.
Looking over this list, I want to hear a LOT more from Iso 2, Hunger, and chilly.
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Wheat, if you think this game is replicating my play from True Name then you need to either dramatically re-evaluate how you're assessing those games or get lynched, I'm not sure which yet, but I'm starting to think it's the latter again because your T/S list feels pretty bad with the level of confidence you have around very good players being town and how you really don't have other suspects except the people who haven't posted much.
I hit L-2 without responding to a speed wagon. I'm not scum, and I'm not claiming unless I hit L-2 again.
The people I'm most suspicious of right now are Id, Blue, you, Nacho, but I am waiting on Nacho and Blue to re-enter the fray and see what they have to say, I want to see the quiet group of the hydra, Necarg, and Chilly do more, I want to see what's up with Seppel, etc.
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The first sentence makes me feel like chilly is scum in my gut. The second makes me consider it in my brain, because it's mindless barning. The third straight up confuses me. The fourth made me laugh because that conclusion is not the correct one, at all, and then it made me pretty certain he's scum gut-wise. I let the fifth go after it pleaded himself. The sixth confirms it in my brain too that he's scum because he's SK hunting.
I'm pretty sold on the idea that chilly thinks Seppel is anti-town, and is trying to reconcile that with the fact that chilly is also scum.
I'll come back to DC later.
@DC: Goddammit. I no longer think the first part, then, but I still believe the second.
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VOTE COUNT 1.3 (as of post 203)
chilly_von_willy=Seppel, necarg, Scarlet_Electric (L-4)
Seppel=blue_electric, chilly_von_willy(L-4)
DCIII-Nachomamma8, (L-6)
Id_Ego=DCIII(L-6)
Not voting: Id_Ego, Iso_II, Hunger, Tammy, Sir Chris
With 12 alive it's 7 to lynch. Deadline is September 25, 2015 @8pm Pacific Standard Time
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