Also I am remembering what happens when I am only in one game and I have no other internet projects to work on: I post way too much.
... Oh well!
Hey Johnny, I have laid out two scum leans, on Sepi and Tapping respectively. Do you have any thoughts at present about what I laid out? Agree with me? Think I used some poor logic somewhere? I am keenly interested in knowing your thoughts on this.
This is the most amount of words I have ever seen you post. The last time you posted this in depth was in XKCD, to my anamnesis.
so correct me if i'm wrong, but as we get close to the deadline we should definitely lynch someone, right?
i mean, mislynching is bad, but if we do nothing they just start killing us off
You learn a lot from the interactions that happen. You should never be afraid of being wrong and let it paralyze you. Do what you think is right, and if you are wrong examine why.
I have been talking quite a bit, it is true, Hunt.
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You learn a lot from the interactions that happen. You should never be afraid of being wrong and let it paralyze you. Do what you think is right, and if you are wrong examine why.
thats more or less what i was thinking.
right now, no one has more than two votes. how do we get to a majority?
Someone concedes their point and moves on to something else. I would like for you to join me on Sepi. I have a funny feeling if Sepi gets more votes he is going to show up a bit more promptly and we can get down to business.
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Someone concedes their point and moves on to something else. I would like for you to join me on Sepi. I have a funny feeling if Sepi gets more votes he is going to show up a bit more promptly and we can get down to business.
i would love to hear more from sepi, but i'm not getting a scum read.
can we just talk about tappingstones instead?
We can talk about anyone, I won't be voting him yet until I hear from Sepi first but what's on your mind? Keep in mind you don't need to vote someone to talk about them extensively.
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Someone concedes their point and moves on to something else. I would like for you to join me on Sepi. I have a funny feeling if Sepi gets more votes he is going to show up a bit more promptly and we can get down to business.
i would love to hear more from sepi, but i'm not getting a scum read.
can we just talk about tappingstones instead?
Why are you asking to talk about me? You don't need anyone's permission. Just post your questions or ideas. You can direct them to someone or to me even.
This post might be important though. I want the others to watch if Tom suddenly changes his focus here. He's been on Chris really hard since the beginning and now he's asking Chris if it's ok to talk about me. Is he your coach? Did he tell you to bus him and then come around to his mindset as the "elder player"? Interesting, we might need to remember #358.
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So aside from my sinister ways, what are some of your other thoughts on the game? And why haven't you placed your vote on me?
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So aside from my sinister ways, what are some of your other thoughts on the game? And why haven't you placed your vote on me?
As you just mentioned to Tom. You don't have to vote for someone to talk about them extensively.
I'll likely place my vote on you if nothing else runs hotter. Tom bloodhounded you and I was meh about it early on but your comments have become so obvious.
I will take you up on my reads about the rest of the crew. Kindly give me some time to review and post back.
True enough, although I was thinking about the fact that I was already using my vote for another when I said that.
Have I become obvious? Interesting. I shall endeavor to work on that.
You can have all of the time you need, you actually posting thoughts on others would make you far ahead of many people in the field who have played many more games than you in terms of content.
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Why are you asking to talk about me? You don't need anyone's permission. Just post your questions or ideas. You can direct them to someone or to me even.
This post might be important though. I want the others to watch if Tom suddenly changes his focus here. He's been on Chris really hard since the beginning and now he's asking Chris if it's ok to talk about me. Is he your coach? Did he tell you to bus him and then come around to his mindset as the "elder player"? Interesting, we might need to remember #358.
don't worry, i still think chris is scum. he just seems unlikely to garner a majority as multiple players have already said they were unwilling to vote for him as well as hunt changing his vote away from chris.
"can we just talk about tappingstones instead" was not asking for permission (which is fairly obvious, but whatever), but rather gauging other players interest in voting for you.
my list of players i'm willing to vote for in #301 is unchanged (though void gets closer to being on it the longer he doesnt say anything)
Why are you asking to talk about me? You don't need anyone's permission. Just post your questions or ideas. You can direct them to someone or to me even.
This post might be important though. I want the others to watch if Tom suddenly changes his focus here. He's been on Chris really hard since the beginning and now he's asking Chris if it's ok to talk about me. Is he your coach? Did he tell you to bus him and then come around to his mindset as the "elder player"? Interesting, we might need to remember #358.
don't worry, i still think chris is scum. he just seems unlikely to garner a majority as multiple players have already said they were unwilling to vote for him as well as hunt changing his vote away from chris.
"can we just talk about tappingstones instead" was not asking for permission (which is fairly obvious, but whatever), but rather gauging other players interest in voting for you.
my list of players i'm willing to vote for in #301 is unchanged (though void gets closer to being on it the longer he doesnt say anything)
We can get Chris today. My vote was all but official. If this makes people more likely to vote for him than I will do it.
VOTE:Sir Chris
He's had to tone down the brag posts as they've gotten him into hot water. Now he's using a much more polite tone, even with me. That scares me...means we're close.
Why are you asking to talk about me? You don't need anyone's permission. Just post your questions or ideas. You can direct them to someone or to me even.
This post might be important though. I want the others to watch if Tom suddenly changes his focus here. He's been on Chris really hard since the beginning and now he's asking Chris if it's ok to talk about me. Is he your coach? Did he tell you to bus him and then come around to his mindset as the "elder player"? Interesting, we might need to remember #358.
don't worry, i still think chris is scum. he just seems unlikely to garner a majority as multiple players have already said they were unwilling to vote for him as well as hunt changing his vote away from chris.
"can we just talk about tappingstones instead" was not asking for permission (which is fairly obvious, but whatever), but rather gauging other players interest in voting for you.
my list of players i'm willing to vote for in #301 is unchanged (though void gets closer to being on it the longer he doesnt say anything)
I also don't like that you are fishing for a lynch. It's not normal to try and see which wagon will wheel, so to speak. If you think someone is scum you should push them to make mistakes. I think you did just that with Sir Chris and got my attention. He's now changed his tone markedly to get under the heat and pass it off on someone else. It's solid play on his part, but as he says, quite transparent.
If you like Sir Chris, me or someone else as scum than make your case for it. Fishing for a lynch from a 3-4 person list looks shady as all hell.
Why are you asking to talk about me? You don't need anyone's permission. Just post your questions or ideas. You can direct them to someone or to me even.
This post might be important though. I want the others to watch if Tom suddenly changes his focus here. He's been on Chris really hard since the beginning and now he's asking Chris if it's ok to talk about me. Is he your coach? Did he tell you to bus him and then come around to his mindset as the "elder player"? Interesting, we might need to remember #358.
don't worry, i still think chris is scum. he just seems unlikely to garner a majority as multiple players have already said they were unwilling to vote for him as well as hunt changing his vote away from chris.
"can we just talk about tappingstones instead" was not asking for permission (which is fairly obvious, but whatever), but rather gauging other players interest in voting for you.
my list of players i'm willing to vote for in #301 is unchanged (though void gets closer to being on it the longer he doesnt say anything)
I also don't like that you are fishing for a lynch. It's not normal to try and see which wagon will wheel, so to speak. If you think someone is scum you should push them to make mistakes. I think you did just that with Sir Chris and got my attention. He's now changed his tone markedly to get under the heat and pass it off on someone else. It's solid play on his part, but as he says, quite transparent.
If you like Sir Chris, me or someone else as scum than make your case for it. Fishing for a lynch from a 3-4 person list looks shady as all hell.
What experience do you have to back up this statement of yours? Because in reality we're probably looking at 4 scum, so there's really nothing wrong with having a list of 3-4 people you want to kill. It makes less sense to have only one person you'd have any sort of want to lynch, really.
But I am curious since you are so new what you are drawing your basis of normalcy on.
(Also my tone has not changed at all, aside from making an effort not to be mean)
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I toned down on the bragging because I admitted the point of the bragging. Little reason to continue on after that. As for politeness... well, I don't like being unkind when I can help it and despite Tom not having a problem with it, it bothered me enough for me to not want to be that way, especially to a new player such as yourself even if I think you're scum.
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Why are you asking to talk about me? You don't need anyone's permission. Just post your questions or ideas. You can direct them to someone or to me even.
This post might be important though. I want the others to watch if Tom suddenly changes his focus here. He's been on Chris really hard since the beginning and now he's asking Chris if it's ok to talk about me. Is he your coach? Did he tell you to bus him and then come around to his mindset as the "elder player"? Interesting, we might need to remember #358.
don't worry, i still think chris is scum. he just seems unlikely to garner a majority as multiple players have already said they were unwilling to vote for him as well as hunt changing his vote away from chris.
"can we just talk about tappingstones instead" was not asking for permission (which is fairly obvious, but whatever), but rather gauging other players interest in voting for you.
my list of players i'm willing to vote for in #301 is unchanged (though void gets closer to being on it the longer he doesnt say anything)
I also don't like that you are fishing for a lynch. It's not normal to try and see which wagon will wheel, so to speak. If you think someone is scum you should push them to make mistakes. I think you did just that with Sir Chris and got my attention. He's now changed his tone markedly to get under the heat and pass it off on someone else. It's solid play on his part, but as he says, quite transparent.
If you like Sir Chris, me or someone else as scum than make your case for it. Fishing for a lynch from a 3-4 person list looks shady as all hell.
What experience do you have to back up this statement of yours? Because in reality we're probably looking at 4 scum, so there's really nothing wrong with having a list of 3-4 people you want to kill. It makes less sense to have only one person you'd have any sort of want to lynch, really.
But I am curious since you are so new what you are drawing your basis of normalcy on.
(Also my tone has not changed at all, aside from making an effort not to be mean)
Sir Chris used be surprised how many games I researched through on this very site. I've been looking at D1 vs. true alignments. It's actually an interesting way to study you folks.
I can appreciate your solid effort at getting Tom off your back. It looks like you might be close to getting him off you. Hats off to your effort. But we both know your play has left a lot on the table. The fact that you have stopped the constant bragging shows how close Tom got to you. I provided a second wrench to tighten the screws and you changed your strategy into getting Tom onto your votes. Nothing wrong with that.
Tom sees you as scum but he's more concerned at this point to "make a lynch". I think this is a mistake. He was hitting all the right buttons and then he let off the gas.
The most troubling thing about this game is how little help we are getting from the lurkers. Literally it's 4-5 people accusing each other of being the scum. I had a terrible fear that all the scum team are sitting back watching the action and laughhing their butts off...then I remembered that Sir Chris is scum
What have been some of your favorite Day ones you've read through?
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Guys im really, really and i cant express this enough, really sorry but i need to ask the mod to
/replace
Life has me seriously burned out to the point that its not really funny. Since this game is still in its early stages i feel its still ok to ask for the replace.
Im sorry chris and huntz that i couldnt get back to you, the best i can provide you right now is me telling you that huntz was not behaving in a way i expec5 of his town persona. His scum persona as i saw in BD is very much subdued, more intent in strawman reasoning or roundabout explanations, he did say that he was not as active back then for irl reasons so i am not surprised he has been more active this game, his sudden outburst felt really insencere and forced to me as well.
As a side note i disliked some of tordecks posts, the way he initially tagged on to me early when i said i had no idea what was going on felt fake and when he accused me of noobhunting tom it felt really misrepping, im mentioning this mostly for my replacement so he/she can at least get an idea of what my thought process was this early game.
Again i s8ncerely want to apologize, i always feel replacing is unfair to players and try to avoid doing so but i really feel spent, with how early things are i feel its best for the game state if i remove myself now.
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Guys im really, really and i cant express this enough, really sorry but i need to ask the mod to
/replace
Life has me seriously burned out to the point that its not really funny. Since this game is still in its early stages i feel its still ok to ask for the replace.
Im sorry chris and huntz that i couldnt get back to you, the best i can provide you right now is me telling you that huntz was not behaving in a way i expec5 of his town persona. His scum persona as i saw in BD is very much subdued, more intent in strawman reasoning or roundabout explanations, he did say that he was not as active back then for irl reasons so i am not surprised he has been more active this game, his sudden outburst felt really insencere and forced to me as well.
As a side note i disliked some of tordecks posts, the way he initially tagged on to me early when i said i had no idea what was going on felt fake and when he accused me of noobhunting tom it felt really misrepping, im mentioning this mostly for my replacement so he/she can at least get an idea of what my thought process was this early game.
Again i s8ncerely want to apologize, i always feel replacing is unfair to players and try to avoid doing so but i really feel spent, with how early things are i feel its best for the game state if i remove myself now.
Bah. I am quite confident in my ability to read you for extended durations too.
##unvote: Sepi
To give the replacement a fresh start.
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^ All of the people I think are town, or at least am leaning that way.
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I also don't like that you are fishing for a lynch. It's not normal to try and see which wagon will wheel, so to speak. If you think someone is scum you should push them to make mistakes. I think you did just that with Sir Chris and got my attention. He's now changed his tone markedly to get under the heat and pass it off on someone else. It's solid play on his part, but as he says, quite transparent.
If you like Sir Chris, me or someone else as scum than make your case for it. Fishing for a lynch from a 3-4 person list looks shady as all hell.
i think ive sufficiently made my case for chris. and you may notice i have not changed my vote.
i just want to move on to other possibilities. this thread was dangerously close to a conversation between me and chris for a minute there. and theres already enough people lurking in the shadows.
as for my hunting for a lynch, thats just playing the odds. if we never lynch anyone, we will lose.
like, thats a fact.
how could you possibly have a read on cyan? hasnt given us anything.
when you are proven scum, im going to remember that you gave him an endorsement with 5 posts
I feel like a scum Cyan would try to mimic his failures as town from the last game. In that game Cyan made a lot of very bad votes and stuck to his guns way, way too much. I have it in my mind that a scum Cyan would try to mimic that play early as to invoke a sense of familiarity out of people. His unvote of me after my defense came off as considered and bucked my expectations from what I thought a scum Cyan would do.
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I feel like a scum Cyan would try to mimic his failures as town from the last game. In that game Cyan made a lot of very bad votes and stuck to his guns way, way too much. I have it in my mind that a scum Cyan would try to mimic that play early as to invoke a sense of familiarity out of people. His unvote of me after my defense came off as considered and bucked my expectations from what I thought a scum Cyan would do.
Which game was this and could you point me to the posts that relate to this claim of yours?
I'm willing to entertain the notion, but it's your argument you do the digging.
Just iso Cyan, it's pretty much a good portion of his game.
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Guys im really, really and i cant express this enough, really sorry but i need to ask the mod to
/replace
Life has me seriously burned out to the point that its not really funny. Since this game is still in its early stages i feel its still ok to ask for the replace.
Im sorry chris and huntz that i couldnt get back to you, the best i can provide you right now is me telling you that huntz was not behaving in a way i expec5 of his town persona. His scum persona as i saw in BD is very much subdued, more intent in strawman reasoning or roundabout explanations, he did say that he was not as active back then for irl reasons so i am not surprised he has been more active this game, his sudden outburst felt really insencere and forced to me as well.
As a side note i disliked some of tordecks posts, the way he initially tagged on to me early when i said i had no idea what was going on felt fake and when he accused me of noobhunting tom it felt really misrepping, im mentioning this mostly for my replacement so he/she can at least get an idea of what my thought process was this early game.
Again i s8ncerely want to apologize, i always feel replacing is unfair to players and try to avoid doing so but i really feel spent, with how early things are i feel its best for the game state if i remove myself now.
@Chris, starting at your post about TS being scum:
TappingStones is scum who someone tried to coach pre-game but didn't do a reasonable job with
In regards to who? I assume you mean either Tom or Ika but I could not grasp that. I am guessing Ika due to how you tie him to the sentence prior.
1) Wants to get the game on track and asks for reads, but has posted absolutely nothing substantial in the reads department himself aside from not liking Tom's word usage. Even the questioning of ika isn't very probative. He says things, sure, but they... don't have a point. Instead of asking why so many people are vote worthy in ika's eyes he asks him if he is scum instead. It lacks a basic game solving sense here, really. He posts filler instead of trying to get into ika's head and figure him out.
Very solid point. I sometimes struggle with reads as well, but I at least try to push the game. While I agree with this post, let me ask the devil's advocate question: Could his lack of proactive though be due to him being new?
4) Kind of comes off like he knows more than he should about mafia stuff.
Can you post an example of what you mean?
In 301-302, you go back and forth with Tom. Tom is pretty much doing the same thing, posting people he thinks are scummy, but is doing very little to pursue any of those reads. Why do you think he is more town, while TS leans more scum?
After reading your response to TS, I found nothing to be purposefully poking, and am more inclined to believe 310 is an appeal to emotion.
@Ika:
ok im adding tapping to my town block
@johnny im pretty sure i did
What do you not like about Chris's case?
@Sir Chris:
I must have missed your Sepi case, can you outline it for me please? I was reading him as more null-leaning town due to his interactions, so I am unsure if I would go after him or his replacement, but I definitely see case for TS.
Sepi case is kind of dead because I was relying on information I was going to get grilling him to find out his alignment. I find what he did to be scummy, but a new player... is going to just totally throw off that read and make me start from ground zero. Also I am probably going to get into trouble (not in a punishment sense, but in a smart play sense) for noting this but if I was to meta his exit post I'd meta it as town so <_<.
Also point 4 is invalidated because tapping says they have read a lot of mafia games and given his swift response in saying what his favorite game was I choose to believe that particular point. As for coaching, er... it wasn't meant to relate to anyone in particular actually! I just meant Tapping had some weird things to say that didn't make sense for a fresh newbie to be thinking them, again though potentially explained by the whole 'has actually read a lot of mafia games' thing.
n 301-302, you go back and forth with Tom. Tom is pretty much doing the same thing, posting people he thinks are scummy, but is doing very little to pursue any of those reads. Why do you think he is more town, while TS leans more scum?
Maybe I am biased because it is about me, but I have felt that Tom has made several posts in support of trying to get me lynched from numerous different angles. We didn't go back and forth from two posts, we've been going back and forth for almost a week now! Iso Tom and look at how he goes after me. Are they truly similar?
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I will be catching up very soon. I got a nasty gash to my pinky finger on my left hand. I've been bogged down by heavy pain meds. Catch up coming by Wednesday.
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Ika I would... ask you to give this game more consideration. Like, seriously.
Iso can we expect Sepi's replacement then as well?
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Holy **** this game is already feeling long for D1.
TappingStone, TomSloger & ika: Is this your first game? If not, how many games have you played in before? I realize you may have already answered this, but I want to ask you again for my own clarity.
V/LA until the 6th, I'll do my best to stay aware, but don't expect large content posts.
Unacceptable. I expect TWO venn diagrams upon your return...
We're lacking in prolonged wagons, which are normally the source of information for my venn diagrams, but I made two for you anyway:
Kpaca is defacto confirmed town at this point, SC is charming me into this read, he's put a lot of effort into each of his reads and is extremely transparent, lurking Cyan is not likely to be scum Cyan, Rhand has a had a lot of good forceful posts and GJ, though not the towniest of my 5 town reads, has earned some townie points.
Hunt and Tomsloger are not in the town pile because of some weird reads/comments they've been making. I'm starting to wonder if Hunt is one of those players that always is reads scummy to me, but doesn't feel scummy. Tomsloger is posting a lot for a newb and it almost seems like a nervous "don't **** up; don't **** up; don't **** up; don't **** up;"
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Of course my plan is to win! Everyone's plan should be to win, it's tragic if that's not the case.
I'm just here so I won't get fined.
It's too bad Sepiriel is /replacing because that was my next wagon choice. The SC ebb and flow "wagon" is dumb. Enough players have already come out to say they won't lynch him today that it's not going to happen. I wish I had been around to hop on the Hunt wagon, but it's fizzled out too.
@Hookerpunch, Hansa, Void and Cyan. You guys are really quiet and haven't given much content. Could you give me a top town/top scum in your next post?
I think at least 1 scum has less posts than me. Logically ika seems to be playing a noob scum lurking game, but he's so... blunt about being lazy. Unvote, Vote: ika I'd like to get a claim out of him. Or at the very least try to see if some votes will force him to add content to his posts.
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Tomsloger is posting a lot for a newb and it almost seems like a nervous "don't **** up; don't **** up; don't **** up; don't **** up;"
Btw disagree with this very much. Again may just be personal bias swaying me but I don't think newb scum Tom goes after me like he has if he has the mentality of don't **** up. I am not really someone to be tangled with in that way by an inexperienced player so if Tom is scum he isn't behaving like any newb scum I've seen. Thoughts on this matter, Jobie?
(Also sorry for double post, at work and only skimmed this post the first time)
Also I encourage you to read Hunt's scum game from BD and then compare it to this one.
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Claimed Mason. His partner has remained silent about confirming it. I'm compelled to believe him.
That does sound vaguely familiar.
Will wait on the whole confirmed thing, but I had no interest in pursuing kpaca today anyway so.
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Tomsloger is posting a lot for a newb and it almost seems like a nervous "don't **** up; don't **** up; don't **** up; don't **** up;"
Btw disagree with this very much. Again may just be personal bias swaying me but I don't think newb scum Tom goes after me like he has if he has the mentality of don't **** up. I am not really someone to be tangled with in that way by an inexperienced player so if Tom is scum he isn't behaving like any newb scum I've seen. Thoughts on this matter, Jobie?
I agree that the behavior isn't in-line with what I'm saying. I was meaning that more in his tone than his behavior, which was unclear. Since his tone doesn't mesh with his behavior it has me interested. I'm not leaning scum on him, just not feeling strong about calling him town yet.
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Hm, I am often tone deaf when I think behavior supersedes it. Mind sharing some examples of what you mean? Always good to have a complete picture of things.
Also I really hope Ika is either bad newbie scum or town who is about to get the picture <_<. Either one is fine, but I always dread its a combination of bad town who is never going to get the picture.
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Holy **** this game is already feeling long for D1.
TappingStone, TomSloger & ika: Is this your first game? If not, how many games have you played in before? I realize you may have already answered this, but I want to ask you again for my own clarity.
V/LA until the 6th, I'll do my best to stay aware, but don't expect large content posts.
Unacceptable. I expect TWO venn diagrams upon your return...
We're lacking in prolonged wagons, which are normally the source of information for my venn diagrams, but I made two for you anyway:
Kpaca is defacto confirmed town at this point, SC is charming me into this read, he's put a lot of effort into each of his reads and is extremely transparent, lurking Cyan is not likely to be scum Cyan, Rhand has a had a lot of good forceful posts and GJ, though not the towniest of my 5 town reads, has earned some townie points.
Hunt and Tomsloger are not in the town pile because of some weird reads/comments they've been making. I'm starting to wonder if Hunt is one of those players that always is reads scummy to me, but doesn't feel scummy. Tomsloger is posting a lot for a newb and it almost seems like a nervous "don't **** up; don't **** up; don't **** up; don't **** up;"
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Of course my plan is to win! Everyone's plan should be to win, it's tragic if that's not the case.
I'm just here so I won't get fined.
It's too bad Sepiriel is /replacing because that was my next wagon choice. The SC ebb and flow "wagon" is dumb. Enough players have already come out to say they won't lynch him today that it's not going to happen. I wish I had been around to hop on the Hunt wagon, but it's fizzled out too.
@Hookerpunch, Hansa, Void and Cyan. You guys are really quiet and haven't given much content. Could you give me a top town/top scum in your next post?
I think at least 1 scum has less posts than me. Logically ika seems to be playing a noob scum lurking game, but he's so... blunt about being lazy. Unvote, Vote: ika I'd like to get a claim out of him. Or at the very least try to see if some votes will force him to add content to his posts.
Yes, this is my first full game. I subbed into CCM mafia. You might want to have a look at that game.
i mean, mislynching is bad, but if we do nothing they just start killing us off
The vote count was directly above you!
This is the most amount of words I have ever seen you post. The last time you posted this in depth was in XKCD, to my anamnesis.
You learn a lot from the interactions that happen. You should never be afraid of being wrong and let it paralyze you. Do what you think is right, and if you are wrong examine why.
I have been talking quite a bit, it is true, Hunt.
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thats more or less what i was thinking.
right now, no one has more than two votes. how do we get to a majority?
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You haven't voted for anyone, currently.
can we just talk about tappingstones instead?
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Why are you asking to talk about me? You don't need anyone's permission. Just post your questions or ideas. You can direct them to someone or to me even.
This post might be important though. I want the others to watch if Tom suddenly changes his focus here. He's been on Chris really hard since the beginning and now he's asking Chris if it's ok to talk about me. Is he your coach? Did he tell you to bus him and then come around to his mindset as the "elder player"? Interesting, we might need to remember #358.
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Yeah, but in your defense it seems to be working. = (
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As you just mentioned to Tom. You don't have to vote for someone to talk about them extensively.
I'll likely place my vote on you if nothing else runs hotter. Tom bloodhounded you and I was meh about it early on but your comments have become so obvious.
I will take you up on my reads about the rest of the crew. Kindly give me some time to review and post back.
Have I become obvious? Interesting. I shall endeavor to work on that.
You can have all of the time you need, you actually posting thoughts on others would make you far ahead of many people in the field who have played many more games than you in terms of content.
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"can we just talk about tappingstones instead" was not asking for permission (which is fairly obvious, but whatever), but rather gauging other players interest in voting for you.
my list of players i'm willing to vote for in #301 is unchanged (though void gets closer to being on it the longer he doesnt say anything)
We can get Chris today. My vote was all but official. If this makes people more likely to vote for him than I will do it.
VOTE:Sir Chris
He's had to tone down the brag posts as they've gotten him into hot water. Now he's using a much more polite tone, even with me. That scares me...means we're close.
I also don't like that you are fishing for a lynch. It's not normal to try and see which wagon will wheel, so to speak. If you think someone is scum you should push them to make mistakes. I think you did just that with Sir Chris and got my attention. He's now changed his tone markedly to get under the heat and pass it off on someone else. It's solid play on his part, but as he says, quite transparent.
If you like Sir Chris, me or someone else as scum than make your case for it. Fishing for a lynch from a 3-4 person list looks shady as all hell.
What experience do you have to back up this statement of yours? Because in reality we're probably looking at 4 scum, so there's really nothing wrong with having a list of 3-4 people you want to kill. It makes less sense to have only one person you'd have any sort of want to lynch, really.
But I am curious since you are so new what you are drawing your basis of normalcy on.
(Also my tone has not changed at all, aside from making an effort not to be mean)
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I toned down on the bragging because I admitted the point of the bragging. Little reason to continue on after that. As for politeness... well, I don't like being unkind when I can help it and despite Tom not having a problem with it, it bothered me enough for me to not want to be that way, especially to a new player such as yourself even if I think you're scum.
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Sir Chris used be surprised how many games I researched through on this very site. I've been looking at D1 vs. true alignments. It's actually an interesting way to study you folks.
I can appreciate your solid effort at getting Tom off your back. It looks like you might be close to getting him off you. Hats off to your effort. But we both know your play has left a lot on the table. The fact that you have stopped the constant bragging shows how close Tom got to you. I provided a second wrench to tighten the screws and you changed your strategy into getting Tom onto your votes. Nothing wrong with that.
Tom sees you as scum but he's more concerned at this point to "make a lynch". I think this is a mistake. He was hitting all the right buttons and then he let off the gas.
The most troubling thing about this game is how little help we are getting from the lurkers. Literally it's 4-5 people accusing each other of being the scum. I had a terrible fear that all the scum team are sitting back watching the action and laughhing their butts off...then I remembered that Sir Chris is scum
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/replace
Life has me seriously burned out to the point that its not really funny. Since this game is still in its early stages i feel its still ok to ask for the replace.
Im sorry chris and huntz that i couldnt get back to you, the best i can provide you right now is me telling you that huntz was not behaving in a way i expec5 of his town persona. His scum persona as i saw in BD is very much subdued, more intent in strawman reasoning or roundabout explanations, he did say that he was not as active back then for irl reasons so i am not surprised he has been more active this game, his sudden outburst felt really insencere and forced to me as well.
As a side note i disliked some of tordecks posts, the way he initially tagged on to me early when i said i had no idea what was going on felt fake and when he accused me of noobhunting tom it felt really misrepping, im mentioning this mostly for my replacement so he/she can at least get an idea of what my thought process was this early game.
Again i s8ncerely want to apologize, i always feel replacing is unfair to players and try to avoid doing so but i really feel spent, with how early things are i feel its best for the game state if i remove myself now.
Bah. I am quite confident in my ability to read you for extended durations too.
##unvote: Sepi
To give the replacement a fresh start.
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Witchhunt was interesting. By the way what are your reads on town?
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^ All of the people I think are town, or at least am leaning that way.
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i think ive sufficiently made my case for chris. and you may notice i have not changed my vote.
i just want to move on to other possibilities. this thread was dangerously close to a conversation between me and chris for a minute there. and theres already enough people lurking in the shadows.
as for my hunting for a lynch, thats just playing the odds. if we never lynch anyone, we will lose.
like, thats a fact.
@sepi hope it gets better yo.
how could you possibly have a read on cyan? hasnt given us anything.
when you are proven scum, im going to remember that you gave him an endorsement with 5 posts
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Which game was this and could you point me to the posts that relate to this claim of yours?
I'm willing to entertain the notion, but it's your argument you do the digging.
Just iso Cyan, it's pretty much a good portion of his game.
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@Chris, starting at your post about TS being scum:
In regards to who? I assume you mean either Tom or Ika but I could not grasp that. I am guessing Ika due to how you tie him to the sentence prior.
Very solid point. I sometimes struggle with reads as well, but I at least try to push the game. While I agree with this post, let me ask the devil's advocate question: Could his lack of proactive though be due to him being new?
Can you post an example of what you mean?
In 301-302, you go back and forth with Tom. Tom is pretty much doing the same thing, posting people he thinks are scummy, but is doing very little to pursue any of those reads. Why do you think he is more town, while TS leans more scum?
After reading your response to TS, I found nothing to be purposefully poking, and am more inclined to believe 310 is an appeal to emotion.
@Ika:
What do you not like about Chris's case?
@Sir Chris:
I must have missed your Sepi case, can you outline it for me please? I was reading him as more null-leaning town due to his interactions, so I am unsure if I would go after him or his replacement, but I definitely see case for TS.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Also point 4 is invalidated because tapping says they have read a lot of mafia games and given his swift response in saying what his favorite game was I choose to believe that particular point. As for coaching, er... it wasn't meant to relate to anyone in particular actually! I just meant Tapping had some weird things to say that didn't make sense for a fresh newbie to be thinking them, again though potentially explained by the whole 'has actually read a lot of mafia games' thing.
Maybe I am biased because it is about me, but I have felt that Tom has made several posts in support of trying to get me lynched from numerous different angles. We didn't go back and forth from two posts, we've been going back and forth for almost a week now! Iso Tom and look at how he goes after me. Are they truly similar?
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VOTE:IKA42
Don't want this player.
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Iso can we expect Sepi's replacement then as well?
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TappingStone, TomSloger & ika: Is this your first game? If not, how many games have you played in before? I realize you may have already answered this, but I want to ask you again for my own clarity.
We're lacking in prolonged wagons, which are normally the source of information for my venn diagrams, but I made two for you anyway:
Kpaca is defacto confirmed town at this point, SC is charming me into this read, he's put a lot of effort into each of his reads and is extremely transparent, lurking Cyan is not likely to be scum Cyan, Rhand has a had a lot of good forceful posts and GJ, though not the towniest of my 5 town reads, has earned some townie points.
Hunt and Tomsloger are not in the town pile because of some weird reads/comments they've been making. I'm starting to wonder if Hunt is one of those players that always is reads scummy to me, but doesn't feel scummy. Tomsloger is posting a lot for a newb and it almost seems like a nervous "don't **** up; don't **** up; don't **** up; don't **** up;"
I know this is an old post, but I'm /barning it anyway. Hunt's 201 is bad.
I'm just here so I won't get fined.
It's too bad Sepiriel is /replacing because that was my next wagon choice. The SC ebb and flow "wagon" is dumb. Enough players have already come out to say they won't lynch him today that it's not going to happen. I wish I had been around to hop on the Hunt wagon, but it's fizzled out too.
@Hookerpunch, Hansa, Void and Cyan. You guys are really quiet and haven't given much content. Could you give me a top town/top scum in your next post?
I think at least 1 scum has less posts than me. Logically ika seems to be playing a noob scum lurking game, but he's so... blunt about being lazy. Unvote, Vote: ika I'd like to get a claim out of him. Or at the very least try to see if some votes will force him to add content to his posts.
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Btw disagree with this very much. Again may just be personal bias swaying me but I don't think newb scum Tom goes after me like he has if he has the mentality of don't **** up. I am not really someone to be tangled with in that way by an inexperienced player so if Tom is scum he isn't behaving like any newb scum I've seen. Thoughts on this matter, Jobie?
(Also sorry for double post, at work and only skimmed this post the first time)
Also I encourage you to read Hunt's scum game from BD and then compare it to this one.
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That does sound vaguely familiar.
Will wait on the whole confirmed thing, but I had no interest in pursuing kpaca today anyway so.
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Also I really hope Ika is either bad newbie scum or town who is about to get the picture <_<. Either one is fine, but I always dread its a combination of bad town who is never going to get the picture.
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Yes, this is my first full game. I subbed into CCM mafia. You might want to have a look at that game.
and you know what, thats 4 now. i'll make it 5.
unvote chris
vote ika42
i will be revisiting sir chris, but jobie is right. too many have already said they don't want him gone.
until then, at least he gives a crap