If cyth has no problem locking his action and assuring he will go to jskura then ill do the same, it is not the best choice of night actions in my book but i also cannot ignore the fact that if we dont do this now toMorrow and every Day onwards will just be the same tune.
@jskura: talking about where the best choices are does not mean that all those choices are scum, its merely talking where the best strategic choices are.
Look at my posts and you can clearly see im moving around and flipflopping on a group of people but the group is consistant and i even stress why my thought process places them in my groupings even when i dont believe the players are likely scum.
If you cant see that then you are clearly getting to personal.
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jskura: Can you give any behavioral reasoning as to why you think MisterSins is scum?
Like. You're saying that modgaming this game is a terrible idea, but almost all of your posts on this page have been about mechanics.
Can you step away from mechanics and go back to solid behavior?
Go look at the day before you died. I wrote a nice little piece on the difference between modgaming, and analyzing game actions. Two COMPLETELY different things. One can be used to solve games, the other is not. Considering there are 0 "vanillas" in the game, relying completely on behaviour (ESPECIALLY in a game where 5/8s of the people are lurking), is dumb. Look over what happened at Night, and try to piece the puzzle together.
And if you dont know why I attacked Sins by now, you are just as bad as he is about reading games and I am not surprised at all that you are just barning the terrible case Pizza threw at the wall.
We pressured some guilty folks together and we brought down Garland. If I'm wrong about you, and we lose, I will still look back on that and remember that.
That was fun.
If you're scum, you played a hell of a game, and I don't blame you for getting upset here, at the end, when you're pretty close to beating whatever remains.
If you're town, I am having trouble piecing together the scum team. I can't solve it without another flip, I don't think.
Maybe I am rusty but I don't see what the solution can be unless it's just really one guy left with the ability to do several things, or hit multiple people per night.
If it's not in the options we've already examined, then I don't know where to look or what the next guess would be.
I'm upset because you have literally given up on trying to solve the game, and are throwing pasta against the wall and hoping something sticks.
You are literally using something that was completely randomized against me, and I am tired of defending against something that I literally CANNOT mount a defence against.
I have repeatedly said who our targets NEED to be in order to try to solve the game, and instead, you go back to "Durr, He has Stealth, Steal and Meteor, that is a fantastic combination for a scum, lets kill him".
Which is why I am done. I cant defend myself about the random set of abilities Cantrip was given when the game started and when he dual-classed, and that is literally the case against me right now.
So stop acting like morons and wasting day attacks on me (you wont kill me today by doing that anyway), and ACTUALLY SCUMHUNT PROPERLY. Cyth can shoot me toNight, then I will be nice and dead, show up as Level 20 Town Thief Black Mage (or Black Mage Thief, depending on how Seppel has been ordering it), and not have to worry about defending against the undefendable. Especially since HP is dead.
Aside 1 - The correct reply against this SHOULD have been, "If he is scum, he is probably lying about his levels (because look at all the deaths since the massclaim) and probably isnt a multiple of 5". Not, "He is just going to use stealth, so dont bother". If you honestly believe I am scum, then you SHOULD want Cyth and Sep to both shoot at me tonight in order to kill me.)
Aside 2 - Nicely done by whoever that scum is, that was the perfect time to take out HP after Rhand's spot randomly attacked HP, and then probably died due to inactivity damage since he hadnt posted in 2 days before the end of day and since we dont have an extra NPC it probably means he never submitted a night action.
Of course, once I'm dead, there will literally be, 2 people left that actually seem to post original thoughts, and one of them has completely switched gears from proper game solving to hoping something sticks.
So yeah, I'm predicting a scum win at this point. Town apathy will cause town losses ~99% of the time.
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If cyth has no problem locking his action and assuring he will go to jskura then ill do the same, it is not the best choice of night actions in my book but i also cannot ignore the fact that if we dont do this now toMorrow and every Day onwards will just be the same tune.
@jskura: talking about where the best choices are does not mean that all those choices are scum, its merely talking where the best strategic choices are.
Look at my posts and you can clearly see im moving around and flipflopping on a group of people but the group is consistant and i even stress why my thought process places them in my groupings even when i dont believe the players are likely scum.
If you cant see that then you are clearly getting to personal.
Dont waste your action on me Sep. Cyth will kill me unless someone else screws with it.
In regards to the bold: If I am reading it correctly, everyone that is left would rather kill someone based off a <deleted> modgaming post, than actually look at strategically should be done? Yeah, makes perfect sense. Especially since people dont seem to give a damn anymore.
I'm 100% done defending myself. Its either modgaming arguments that I have to ***** out because they are dumb, or I am too emotional because I have to constantly ***** out modgaming arguments that I'm taking it too personal. There is no case against me that I can even try to defend against so I'm done trying.
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@jskura: actually i have no idea what you are talking about... what deleted modgaming post? I remember Sins mentioning a post was deleted ut i dont recall its contents (ill look back and see if its still deleted).
Irregardless you are wrong, i am not basing having you in my choices because of that deleted post. I have you at the bottom of my choices because its the only choices we have left. And if you recall i have a bit of a "last fiend must have started as melee" theory going on.
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I'm upset because you have literally given up on trying to solve the game, and are throwing pasta against the wall and hoping something sticks. You are literally using something that was completely randomized against me, and I am tired of defending against something that I literally CANNOT mount a defence against.
I'm on a vacation with my girlfriend, I'm not prioritizing this game as much as before. I'm happy with what has been accomplished so far and I'm pretty confident it can be solved by process of elimination, with the abilities in play. I don't expect a defense against your claimed skills, it's like being in the POE, there's no defense against that either- no one is expecting a defense or refutation.
It was never just about your claimed abilities either. I've already said my piece on the matter.
I'm upset because you have literally given up on trying to solve the game, and are throwing pasta against the wall and hoping something sticks. You are literally using something that was completely randomized against me, and I am tired of defending against something that I literally CANNOT mount a defence against.
I'm on a vacation with my girlfriend, I'm not prioritizing this game as much as before. I'm happy with what has been accomplished so far and I'm pretty confident it can be solved by process of elimination, with the abilities in play. I don't expect a defense against your claimed skills, it's like being in the POE, there's no defense against that either- no one is expecting a defense or refutation.
It was never just about your claimed abilities either. I've already said my piece on the matter.
Except your PoE is ridiculously wrong and completely ignores everything that has actually happened in the game the last 3 Days.
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It was never just about your claimed abilities either. I've already said my piece on the matter.
Exactly this. No matter how many times it gets brought up, jskura clings to the strawman that he's being suspected purely for his abilities. Now that the strawman isn't even delaying his death anymore, he resorts to mudslinging and fear mongering.
(just in case anyone wasn't completely convinced yet)
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I'll bet you wish you had a non-unglued/unhinged card that shared your first name.
And you are all being dumb wasting day attacks on me when I am dying toNight.
It should be fun to see everyone scramble tomorrow when the easy kill target turns out to be town and then people actually have to THINK about the game for the first time in a couple weeks
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Considering there are 0 "vanillas" in the game, relying completely on behaviour (ESPECIALLY in a game where 5/8s of the people are lurking), is dumb.
Just because 5/8s of the people are lurking doesn't mean that you can't go back and look at their previous posts. And I've played in heavy mechanical games before and in those types of games behavior is one of the only few crutches you have.
As for your MisterSins reasoning - him not reading the game and going off track according to a plan is something that he's always done. It doesn't make him scum. I can pull up games where he missed things /incredibly/ obvious. Pointing to that, and ignoring his behavior/interactions with dead scum, is a losing strategy.
Just to entertain something: What are your final behavioral reads? I'm trying to make you play the behavioral game, not the "analyzing night actions" game. Mafia is a game of analyzing behavior, and I'm sure Seppel's games test that skill (more than any other, IMO).
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I'm back home. I plan on rereading D1 (and maybe D2) later today.
How is this actually helpful at all?
@Bur: You gunned down KoolKoal Yesterday and me the Day before that. You've been like total dead weight for most of the game. What are your actual reads? How can you assist in the PoE? It feels like you're drifting along and playing with the mechanics.
jskura is flailing and Bur is lurking. Both could be scum, neither is certain. Honestly, choosing between them would be pure gut. But jskura has damage and Bur doesn't, AFAIK, so I'm going with the one that is more likely to flip soon.
I Threw at jskura and leveled Throw. I'm now going to start leveling Speed.
Oh look, someone that could have confirmed me using Stealth last night finally shows up. Too bad Ive already given up.
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My top suspects have been in thread forever, and that is all you are getting from me. I am going to enjoy toMorrow when no one has a damned idea on what to do after I flip town.
Bur Dont waste time reading Day 1/2. Go analyze night actions after Vezok died. Much better use of time.
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I dont get your last post skura, how is Kami able to have cleared you? from his post it seems he either succeeded or didnt get a notification to say otherwise so i dont see how he would have confirmed your usage of Stealth. I may be missing something here but i dont really get it...
Im going to stick to my guns here
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Night actions im not sure yet i may shoot around at skura, i may shoot at kami, or i may nail KK for what i think is lethal ill see what my gut tells me.
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Sepi, there is no reason to shoot at me if Cyth is going to. I'm not using Stealth (and still havent decided if I am going to use Steal).
Me dying means people actually have to look at the game and figure out where the scum is instead of just picking the easy kill that they dont need to look at.
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Night actions im not sure yet i may shoot around at skura, i may shoot at kami, or i may nail KK for what i think is lethal ill see what my gut tells me.
I can shoot jskura at the same speed you could, that should free up your damage.
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I'll bet you wish you had a non-unglued/unhinged card that shared your first name.
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I am going to enjoy toMorrow when no one has a damned idea on what to do after I flip town.
You're clearly more interested in being self-righteous than helping town.
Coming from a lurker that hasnt put any effort in the game. My thoughts on who is scum was posted repeatedly, and then ignored despite being called the best strategic choices.
So yes, I am going to be self-righteous as hell and smug when the game ends
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@jskura: talking about where the best choices are does not mean that all those choices are scum, its merely talking where the best strategic choices are.
Look at my posts and you can clearly see im moving around and flipflopping on a group of people but the group is consistant and i even stress why my thought process places them in my groupings even when i dont believe the players are likely scum.
If you cant see that then you are clearly getting to personal.
Go look at the day before you died. I wrote a nice little piece on the difference between modgaming, and analyzing game actions. Two COMPLETELY different things. One can be used to solve games, the other is not. Considering there are 0 "vanillas" in the game, relying completely on behaviour (ESPECIALLY in a game where 5/8s of the people are lurking), is dumb. Look over what happened at Night, and try to piece the puzzle together.
And if you dont know why I attacked Sins by now, you are just as bad as he is about reading games and I am not surprised at all that you are just barning the terrible case Pizza threw at the wall.
I'm upset because you have literally given up on trying to solve the game, and are throwing pasta against the wall and hoping something sticks.
You are literally using something that was completely randomized against me, and I am tired of defending against something that I literally CANNOT mount a defence against.
I have repeatedly said who our targets NEED to be in order to try to solve the game, and instead, you go back to "Durr, He has Stealth, Steal and Meteor, that is a fantastic combination for a scum, lets kill him".
Which is why I am done. I cant defend myself about the random set of abilities Cantrip was given when the game started and when he dual-classed, and that is literally the case against me right now.
So stop acting like morons and wasting day attacks on me (you wont kill me today by doing that anyway), and ACTUALLY SCUMHUNT PROPERLY. Cyth can shoot me toNight, then I will be nice and dead, show up as Level 20 Town Thief Black Mage (or Black Mage Thief, depending on how Seppel has been ordering it), and not have to worry about defending against the undefendable. Especially since HP is dead.
Aside 1 - The correct reply against this SHOULD have been, "If he is scum, he is probably lying about his levels (because look at all the deaths since the massclaim) and probably isnt a multiple of 5". Not, "He is just going to use stealth, so dont bother". If you honestly believe I am scum, then you SHOULD want Cyth and Sep to both shoot at me tonight in order to kill me.)
Aside 2 - Nicely done by whoever that scum is, that was the perfect time to take out HP after Rhand's spot randomly attacked HP, and then probably died due to inactivity damage since he hadnt posted in 2 days before the end of day and since we dont have an extra NPC it probably means he never submitted a night action.
Of course, once I'm dead, there will literally be, 2 people left that actually seem to post original thoughts, and one of them has completely switched gears from proper game solving to hoping something sticks.
So yeah, I'm predicting a scum win at this point. Town apathy will cause town losses ~99% of the time.
Dont waste your action on me Sep. Cyth will kill me unless someone else screws with it.
In regards to the bold: If I am reading it correctly, everyone that is left would rather kill someone based off a <deleted> modgaming post, than actually look at strategically should be done? Yeah, makes perfect sense. Especially since people dont seem to give a damn anymore.
I'm 100% done defending myself. Its either modgaming arguments that I have to ***** out because they are dumb, or I am too emotional because I have to constantly ***** out modgaming arguments that I'm taking it too personal. There is no case against me that I can even try to defend against so I'm done trying.
Seppel I hope prods are going out to people.
They need to hurry up and get in here and sheep so the day can end I can die overnight
Irregardless you are wrong, i am not basing having you in my choices because of that deleted post. I have you at the bottom of my choices because its the only choices we have left. And if you recall i have a bit of a "last fiend must have started as melee" theory going on.
I'm on a vacation with my girlfriend, I'm not prioritizing this game as much as before. I'm happy with what has been accomplished so far and I'm pretty confident it can be solved by process of elimination, with the abilities in play. I don't expect a defense against your claimed skills, it's like being in the POE, there's no defense against that either- no one is expecting a defense or refutation.
It was never just about your claimed abilities either. I've already said my piece on the matter.
Except your PoE is ridiculously wrong and completely ignores everything that has actually happened in the game the last 3 Days.
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I'd ask if you care to actually add anything to the game, but you dont give a damned about it, so there is no point
(just in case anyone wasn't completely convinced yet)
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It should be fun to see everyone scramble tomorrow when the easy kill target turns out to be town and then people actually have to THINK about the game for the first time in a couple weeks
Do you actually suspect Mister Sins, or are you just punishing him for being less active / messing up night actions?
Just because 5/8s of the people are lurking doesn't mean that you can't go back and look at their previous posts. And I've played in heavy mechanical games before and in those types of games behavior is one of the only few crutches you have.
As for your MisterSins reasoning - him not reading the game and going off track according to a plan is something that he's always done. It doesn't make him scum. I can pull up games where he missed things /incredibly/ obvious. Pointing to that, and ignoring his behavior/interactions with dead scum, is a losing strategy.
Just to entertain something: What are your final behavioral reads? I'm trying to make you play the behavioral game, not the "analyzing night actions" game. Mafia is a game of analyzing behavior, and I'm sure Seppel's games test that skill (more than any other, IMO).
How is this actually helpful at all?
@Bur: You gunned down KoolKoal Yesterday and me the Day before that. You've been like total dead weight for most of the game. What are your actual reads? How can you assist in the PoE? It feels like you're drifting along and playing with the mechanics.
What do you think of jskura or Bur?
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Deadline is tomorrow at 12 PM EST!
Oh look, someone that could have confirmed me using Stealth last night finally shows up. Too bad Ive already given up.
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My top suspects have been in thread forever, and that is all you are getting from me. I am going to enjoy toMorrow when no one has a damned idea on what to do after I flip town.
Bur Dont waste time reading Day 1/2. Go analyze night actions after Vezok died. Much better use of time.
Im going to stick to my guns here
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Night actions im not sure yet i may shoot around at skura, i may shoot at kami, or i may nail KK for what i think is lethal ill see what my gut tells me.
Sepi, there is no reason to shoot at me if Cyth is going to. I'm not using Stealth (and still havent decided if I am going to use Steal).
Me dying means people actually have to look at the game and figure out where the scum is instead of just picking the easy kill that they dont need to look at.
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If you are smart, shoot me unless you want everyone wasting anothers day worth of attacks on me
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Which is why I am telling you to shoot me tonight. You wont be able to for a few more days if you dont tonight
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Other people dont matter though! I'm the obvscum at this point apparently
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Seriously! There is no one else at all that could be scum right now. I'm the ONLY scum left!
You're clearly more interested in being self-righteous than helping town.
Coming from a lurker that hasnt put any effort in the game. My thoughts on who is scum was posted repeatedly, and then ignored despite being called the best strategic choices.
So yes, I am going to be self-righteous as hell and smug when the game ends
I think this is right for toDay.
I've been trying to do this for the past 20 minutes.
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But, I'm scum! And there are apparently only supposed to be 4 scums! Which means if I die, then the game is over! You shouldnt need a heal!
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Night actions due in 36 hours!
MisterSins has been killed! He was a level 15 White Mage Black Mage
Puppy_Eater_NPC has died! It was a level 4 monster.
Sepiriel has been killed! He was a level 25 Ninja Dancer
Prophylaxis has been killed! He was a level 17 Black Mage Dancer
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