I didn't see that Cyan had said what his vengeance ability was already.
@megs: read on him is unclear atm.
Yes, it was mostly to get you posting more than "lol". Thanks for playing.
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The best way for a new player to not say anything incriminating is to not say anything at all.
Can someone explain the Tanarin wagon to me? What did I miss?
You're voting for me because I'm new? Um. Okay. I don't have any incriminating knowledge about you or amy town members to share, so I don't see how killing me off would benefit the town.
For anyone who needs more clarification:
He starts the post misrepping me VERY hard.
Then literally says 'I don't have anything incriminating against any townies.'
It does not get much clearer than this on a scum catch guys. Pile on and pile high.
I think that the way that you are presenting godot's statement is very obviously not what he meant, and I find myself really leery that you would take this line, especially after expressing similar conviction toward Megiddo and dropping it like a bad habit.
I don't have any incriminating knowledge about you or amy town members to share, so I don't see how killing me off would benefit the town.
It's painfully obvious here that godot misunderstood what Karn was implying. All three of the votes on this wagon are bad. Rodemy still seems pretty town, but Wildfire goes down a peg and Karn has plummeted into my scum reads. I'd be perfectly happy seeing any of him, Tanarin or Kamikaze dead today.
I am very wary of how this game seems to be "Sir Karn starts a wagon, multiple people hop on that wagon, that player proceeds to do something townie, Sir Karn shifts directions". I think I agree with Cyan here.
I'm probably going to fall back to town-hunting for this Day 1. I have no clear super-clear, slam dunk scum suspects, just a bunch of players who my read on them is either "always look scummy regardless of alignment" or "new". And that's a bit frustrating.
My gut is reading Godot as newb-town. This feels like a lack of self-awareness, to me:
@Proph, If I feel I have more to add about my reasons for voting then I will. Put down my choices by calling it bandwagoning if you must, but I see no harm in being reasonably receptive and agreeable.
In addition, his #292 feels very earnest.
I have no idea what Rodemy is doing in his #278. I mean, I sort of understand the first part of the post, but the second part is just completely off the rails and I don't understand who he's addressing it to.
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I say possible and could be, because I don't know with certain what you will flip. Just because I am reading you as Town does not make you Town.
Can you answer the second part of that post? Did you have any real reads on the people on my wagon, at that time?
I like Megiddo's post, but I am still paranoid that he can fool me.
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@dkings: Why exactly did you think Rodemy is town in #66, especially after Apocalypse Mafia where we got bitten hard by auto-clearing Rodemy?
@Rodemy: Why did you vote for Axelrod, when you said that you "wanted me dead" Today? Same with your move to Godot. Do you still want me dead?
@Wheat: Is there a reason why you're intentionally tossing around unexplained reads, votes, etc? I don't recall this being a normal part of your playstyle.
@Cythare: In Celestial, you put me as trending down due to my "activity levels". How does that mesh with this game? Do you think I can fake my activity levels as scum?
@Megiddo:
1. What do you make of Rodemy's stance against me now? Like, he was pursuing me when my wagon was legit but it seems he just completely dropped it.
2. What posts of Axelrod's do you like? Please explain this read in more detail.
You're voting for me because I'm new? Um. Okay. I don't have any incriminating knowledge about you or amy town members to share, so I don't see how killing me off would benefit the town.
You are flat-out deulsion if you think that this is a scum response.
You are flat-out deulsion if you think that this is a scum response.
It seems plenty scummy to me.
1) He's slipping on the knowledge that Karn is town
2) He's focusing on town members as people he'd "have incriminating knowledge about"
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@dkings: Why exactly did you think Rodemy is town in #66, especially after Apocalypse Mafia where we got bitten hard by auto-clearing Rodemy?
It's gut.
If you remember, I was one of the first players to express a scum read on him in Apocalypse, and I stuck to it longer than most of the rest of you did. It was primarily based on a feeling that he just was not playing the same game as he usually does. In that game he was oddly confident and his language was more forceful. Here he is just being his normal spastic self.
Why would a scum say that they don't have incriminating knowledge of town members? Why would a scum ever have incriminating knowledge of anyone?
You guys are reading far too much into this.
Karn in particular should know better. This behavior is nothing like he acted in Archer, where he was town. Does anyone have an example of a Karn-scum game I can look at?
Yes. I'd be up for a Karn lynch. The two posts you quoted are specifically terrible. My one issue is that I'm not sure I see scum!Karn drawing this much attention to him by starting so many wagons, but
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@Cythare: In Celestial, you put me as trending down due to my "activity levels". How does that mesh with this game? Do you think I can fake my activity levels as scum?
I'm not interested in answering this. You should know why.
I'm not sure how I feel about Megs "I was playing bad on purpose" excuse. The "lol" post was just so bizarre and inappropriate to what was happening in the thread I still don't see how he arrived at it. And the "I'm only posting once per day just because" is troublesome. But I guess there is some history with Megs and weird/offbeat playstyles? I don't understand the "Reality Distortion Field" reference either. Someone want to fill me in there?
I'm willing to give Godot the benefit of new player doubt. Nothing I've seen is something a new player couldn't do/say. I also think I'm just going to /barn dkings the rest of this game since I agree with almost everything he's saying - except Rodemy as obvious Town, I don't get that. I don't know why people ever listen to Karn. That bulldog style is like fingernails on a chalkboard to me.
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Why would a scum say that they don't have incriminating knowledge of town members? Why would a scum ever have incriminating knowledge of anyone?
You guys are reading far too much into this.
Karn in particular should know better. This behavior is nothing like he acted in Archer, where he was town. Does anyone have an example of a Karn-scum game I can look at?
Scum *does* have incriminating evidence on other scum. It could have been a slip out of noobishness. Unvote. I'm going to let things shake out a bit more. Will re-read (likely tomorrow) and come up with a reads list and go from there.
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I have Void and dkings as decently-strong town reads, with Godot and Wildfire backing up the rear. Wildfire actually made me second-guess on Godot when he pointed out that Godot slipped on the knowledge that Karn is town, but I don't know, my gut is telling me that Godot is just newb-town and earnestly wants to try hard. Newb-scum often don't really have that pull.
Wouldn't mind a vig shot thrown at Natirasha.
Megiddo and Axelrod make me feel /uncomfortable/ but I'm not exactly sure if I'm interested in lynching either of them Day 1. Megiddo because I'm always paranoid of him when we're in games together (I just noticed that his last post felt kind of like buddying to me) and Axelrod because I'm not exactly sure from his posts that he's trying to Figure Things Out. Like, it feels like he's hopping from subject to subject in his posts, with little follow up. The thing that gets me is that I read his posts from Redux and Return to Ravnica and he was actually putting effort/scumhunting in both of those games (one as town, one as scum) but it feels like he's floating around in this one. Axelrod, is there any reason for the playstyle shift here?
I'm not sure how I feel about Megs "I was playing bad on purpose" excuse. The "lol" post was just so bizarre and inappropriate to what was happening in the thread I still don't see how he arrived at it. And the "I'm only posting once per day just because" is troublesome. But I guess there is some history with Megs and weird/offbeat playstyles? I don't understand the "Reality Distortion Field" reference either. Someone want to fill me in there?
I think that Megiddo's adaptation of a new playstyle this game has to do with this:
And yeah this is obviously another town face of mine. I try to play differently every game (and as others have already mentioned, I change things up within the same game as well) so that when I happen to roll scum I don't get immediately caught. But! And this is important; this game has the following players in it:
Me
HookerPunch*
Iso
Sir Karn
Seppel
kpaca
Six players who are all known for being disengaged and flippant in their play. 6/21 is too many, and it will make the game absolutely miserable for me and for everybody else if we all have to slog through a game's worth of that ***** (see also any game on mafiascum /burn). So I'm compensating by trying to be more engaged from D1. Obviously I went a little too far in the wrong direction so far but after taking a day's break I'm ready to actually participate properly. Taking one for the team.
As I said in Amistarian III, my playstyle is not determined by alignment but rather by external factors such as the size of the game and the playerlist, or as I just said by conscious decisions to try new things and branch out. You're seeing that here.
The "REALITY DISTORTION FIELD" is a phenomena that I've seen that basically means that certain players won't be lynched/some people will defend that player regardless of alignment, no matter how they're playing. Players who probably have one are Natirasha/HookerPunch, Megiddo, Sir Karn, and Seppel.
You guys :'c I'm pretty sure Sir Karn is scum. I have no idea what was meant by the vote that preceded my poorly worded response if it did not imply I was being voted out for newness. It was stated that the best way to not say anything incriminating was not to say anything at all. I inferred that statement was about lynching me to stop me from saying anything I would say as an ignorant noob. I did not distance myself from the town with my response. I only said that I didn't have incriminating evidence against Karn or any town members. @Wildfire393, I didn't say Karn was town. I specifically wrote his name beside town members because I don't know if he's town or not, but now I'm thinking not. (@KamikazeArchon By using the word incriminating, I meant nothing special. I was just using the same word Karn did.) If you believe I am scum for that response, you are forcing evidence where there is none. The motive of that, I wonder, is to lynch a townsperson to get ahead? Well played, Sir Karn.
I appreciate the efforts of those coming to my defense. Tank you. <3
I am very wary of how this game seems to be "Sir Karn starts a wagon, multiple people hop on that wagon, that player proceeds to do something townie, Sir Karn shifts directions". I think I agree with Cyan here.
You want me to ride them down all the way after they become pretty apparently townie? What an awful proposition.
I'm looking for scum and have nicely found multiple town along the way. It sounds like you're implying I'm scum because I didn't stick to my original stance after many things changed.
You're voting for me because I'm new? Um. Okay. I don't have any incriminating knowledge about you or amy town members to share, so I don't see how killing me off would benefit the town.
You are flat-out deulsion if you think that this is a scum response.
I'm not sure how I feel about Megs "I was playing bad on purpose" excuse. The "lol" post was just so bizarre and inappropriate to what was happening in the thread I still don't see how he arrived at it. And the "I'm only posting once per day just because" is troublesome. But I guess there is some history with Megs and weird/offbeat playstyles? I don't understand the "Reality Distortion Field" reference either. Someone want to fill me in there?
I'm willing to give Godot the benefit of new player doubt. Nothing I've seen is something a new player couldn't do/say. I also think I'm just going to /barn dkings the rest of this game since I agree with almost everything he's saying - except Rodemy as obvious Town, I don't get that. I don't know why people ever listen to Karn. That bulldog style is like fingernails on a chalkboard to me.
People listen to me because I cut the ***** and get results. Sorry I don't want to sit around and play with myself and read novels from people all Day.
Meg's "Reality Distortion Field" is something along the lines of, he thinks he's good enough that no matter how bad he plays he can't be lynched. Needed to pop that bubble.
You guys :'c I'm pretty sure Sir Karn is scum. I have no idea what was meant by the vote that preceded my poorly worded response if it did not imply I was being voted out for newness. It was stated that the best way to not say anything incriminating was not to say anything at all. I inferred that statement was about lynching me to stop me from saying anything I would say as an ignorant noob. I did not distance myself from the town with my response. I only said that I didn't have incriminating evidence against Karn or any town members. @Wildfire393, I didn't say Karn was town. I specifically wrote his name beside town members because I don't know if he's town or not, but now I'm thinking not. (@KamikazeArchon By using the word incriminating, I meant nothing special. I was just using the same word Karn did.) If you believe I am scum for that response, you are forcing evidence where there is none. The motive of that, I wonder, is to lynch a townsperson to get ahead? Well played, Sir Karn.
I appreciate the efforts of those coming to my defense. Tank you. <3
I was referring to your own actions when I said that saying nothing is the best way to not say anything incriminating. Because you've done NOTHING all game. Easy way to ride by as new!scum is to active-lurk (post but don't actually say anything).
Axelrod, is there any reason for the playstyle shift here?
I don't feel like I'm playing especially differently. Certainly nothing deliberate. I'm just busy and it's still early.
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I think it's highly likely there are at least two scum within the red and orange. (Note: Karn and Cythare are probably not scum together.) I mentioned these before when Proph asked me, but Kamikaze's vote on him was OMGUS and Cythare voted immediately after being called out by Deathjoey. And speaking of, DJ's vote on Tanarin is suspect as he gave very little reasoning and just kinda went with a fairly easy place to throw down a vote.
Something else I noticed that is quite odd, almost everyone on the Proph wagon went in completely different directions when they unvoted. Shortly before this point, Wheat unvoted Proph and voted HookerPunch. Kamikaze hopped onto Cyan, godot went to the Tanarin wagon, Rodemy voted Axelrod, Megiddo voted Cythare, and Karn and Cythare hopped back-to-back onto Megiddo.
@Proph: Your last page or so has been better than your start game. I'm still evaluating whether this is because you're actually town and I misread your first page, or because you're scum and tightened up your play after getting heat.
@Sir Karn: Maybe you're scum hunting or maybe you're looking to see if you can get a wagon on a towns person to reach the quota and jumping off when it doesn't go well. :00000
@proph. Voted ax to put pressure on him to tell his trigger vaguely. Current dialog makes me question things tho. Im gonna re read a bit and tell you guys what i think. Current wagon is godat. I am going to look specifically at proph and hers interaction to see if karn is righr about scum.. i am also going to look at karns interactuons to see if he could be scum pickig low hanging fruit.
Sadly all i have is my phone so doing this is going to be ***** tastical
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Can't everyone just vote either Tanarin or Karn? I'll go along with voting Karn even if I can't be #1 on the wagon. I looked over the early parts of Return to Ravnica Mafia, and Karn's behavior here seems far more in line with that game than it did with Archer.
Aod of course, his behavior here is also just indepedently scummy anyway.
Looking at Rodemy's 31 again I feel like he's town because he's trying to figure out the game. This is not a strong read.
40 (Tan) and 48 (Cyan) I think that Tanarin oversimplified Rodemy's reasoning but I think Cyan going after him on it is a more semantics-based argument than Tan's.
I actually don't like Wildfire much.
I'm feeling better with Proph's explanations though but why does his 29 suck so bad
Karn is still town because I see what he's thinking. I like dkings as well which I think I said before.
HookerPunch cares way too much about never taking bait and that's why I think he's scum. It reads as self-conscious; he's afraid of getting caught if he goes on people.
Void is definitely town.
Oh wait I was wrong 102 is why I thought HP was scum. The rest is supporting evidence then.
This concludes my obligation to answer Proph's question.
You know what have I ever played a full game with Deathjoey before I always see him around but I never end up playing with him for long.
Wildfire is giving off scum vibes and it's driving me nuts because I can't figure out why.
I'm waiting for waitingforgodot to post more
Kami 139: Cythare was lacking content?
holy ***** i never noticed that killjoy and deathjoey almost have the same name
Axelrod feels like I remember from...well, Cyberspace is the only one we were both in together I think.
dking 158: Wheat_Grinder likes this post!
HP ignored me but that's okay he's still scum.
god 175 (godot) feels bad
HookerPunch is not getting any townier.
189: Rodemy is not paying attention in the face of trying to find scum and therefore I'm now pretty sure he's town.
I don't see what Cyan sees and that scares me.
I am against massclaiming vengeance triggers as my trigger is tied to my role.
HP's claim in 216 fits my theory.
I don't see the Tan wagon at all.
234: I don't get it
237: Wildfire is scum for how he jumped on.
Nope Karn psyched me out he is 100% wrong I cannot see how he actually believes this and he is scum.
251 (cythare): You're supposed to moonwalk away
goddammit meg i take back everything I just said, I see what Karn sees now. meg's not scum tho.
bottom of page 11 (godot): No one but Iso is that clever and Iso is mod
meg (290): I don't think you know how to read me because not even Iso can read me. He's right about 25% of the time because he thinks I'm scum every game.
I like Meg's list.
yep, Karn is town again.
god godot (300) is bad i'm going to vote him in my next post I think
and now cyan hates semantics again despite his argument on tanarin being the worst offender
308 (Proph): The first line is how Karn plays mafia though. I know because Karn and I have the same playstyle and that's what I do.
From the same post "@Wheat: Is there a reason why you're intentionally tossing around unexplained reads, votes, etc? I don't recall this being a normal part of your playstyle." Yes there is, because it puts the person hit by it on edge until they know what I see. I'm out of practice with it though; I forgot the right way to use it.
Cyan (313): Because this particular scum is new and bad at mafia. It is definitely something that new scum do.
I think Cythare is town because I disagree with him entirely. I cannot explain further for months, probably.
oh yeah I said I would vote godot but he's got a lot of votes and there's no votecount and tbh I want to see HookerPunch hang first anyway because Godot will only become more obviously scum as time goes on.
Booooo. :c the wording on that post is really not agreeing with some of you. Really all I said was I don't have anything to say about (other, fellow) townspeople (I don't even know what that would entail?) because I misinterpreted Karn's statement, which is proving to be true.
I'm also a woman, as Rodemy has stated. It's not a huge deal if the pronoun for me continues to be male, but yeah, I am female.
I was definitely not ever voting Tanarin on 'semantics'. I voted him for scummy intent, period. Please don't marginalize my case on him. I don't know how you could even come to the conclusion that it was 'semantics', WG.
@Proph: I hardly call 4 hours RVS going on for a while. Hell, not even everyone has checked in by my count. I can certainly see why you voted him (He voted for the mod as opposed to a player,) but it seems you are trying to over explain your reasoning.
@Rodemy: Why go after DJ for his lack of vote in his 1st post? Proph and Axel also did the same thing. Axel still has not voted last I checked. If you were truly concerned about a non vote 1st post, I would think you would have gone after them as well. Yet, you chose to only go after Proph for his Kami vote and not his 1st post and totally ignored Axel.
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Your reasoning for voting me seems super forced, but i will explain: he didnt even take the time to read over the very few posts there were and put a vote out there. If he wasnt going to vote.. and INSTANTLY be vla for 24 hours, he could have waited to confirm. but he had the time to confirm in thread and not put a little effort in before announcing he was going vla. Thatw as all i was asking. Is this normal for him? Proph and axel went on to vote
I have no interest in voting for Proph, over-eagerness to end the RVS notwithstanding.
If you want to explain what's "out of character," Wildfire, I'll listen. But fair warning, I tend to loathe "he isn't playing like himself" arguments.
The most forced-sounding post so far this game was the one from Rodemy.
Here we learn that Axel hates meta arguments.
After reading from wildfires first vote on proph and the interactions between the two until wildfire unvotes, i feel like wildfire feigned an epiphony in order to get off the proph wagon early so not to throw his buddy under the bus.
He was saying that his screamin about his towniness was ooc for proph, then a brainfart later it all makes sense. I dont buy it.
How does KAs vote on iso mean anything. AND HOW THE HELL CAN YOU FORGET WHO IS MODDING THIS GAME?
Overall, I don't think Proph lynch is correct at this point in time. He's a *great* town player, and if he's scum, he'll make that known pretty easily through lurking, which is something he can't manage to avoid doing even when he's painfully aware of how it gets him caught. Take a look at Celestial, where he says as much in scumchat and then lurks to the point where I track him N2 and N3.
And now you aresaying he'll show as scum by lurking. Why, then, when he WASNT lurking, did you think he was scum? Your logic is scum!proph lurks. And seriously, this entire post is awful. Refering to one scum game of prophs where he lurks. He has been scum nore than that and i can tell you the he doesnt always lurk.
Oh right I forgot about that scumtell. Proph is town for now then.
I feel okay about Wildfire being town from that post.
Rodemy is being Rodemy so hard for me to read.
dkings feels town.
I don't have strong reads on the rest yet. The only other one I can think of from looking at the player list is a very very mild scumread on Godot.
Is it really that obvious when proph is scum? I mean if we all know it, dont you think he'd change that by forcing us out of rvs so more discussion can happen and he can comment on morre thus appearing to not lurk?.. oh.... wait...
I just went and did a quick scan of Proph's posting in Celestial Mafia since someone referenced it as a scum game of his. And frankly his posting style there seemed a lot like this game. That doesn't necessarily mean anything except I'm giving him less credit for posting a lot into the thread.
@Proph: did you say you were trying something different this game? A new style where you just put all your thoughts out there? As opposed to how you usually play? I guess my question is: is this really different from how you usually play? I feel like I need a "Town" game for comparison now.
So here you want meta arguments..... which earlier you stated you didnt like?? Hmmm
I've thought about name claims, and I'm pretty fine with it if we go down that route.
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Megiddo has been quieter than expected, but that's fine I guess.
-- Still kinda wanting to vote sir karn atm.
Just looked at your posts before this. You never stated you wanted to vote karn. So the use of the word still seems fake like you have been wanting this the whole time.
Can you explain your reasoning? I'm seeing name claiming being bad at best.
I'm extrapolating from my role PM, but if I had to guess, a lot of players have specific names or races mentioned in their role PMs. It might be best if we got those in the open so we can start planning. The flipside to this is scum DO get to also potentially plan their night actions to maximum effect. I'm selfish and reckless, though, so I don't mind taking that chance.
Also, this is a game with minimal specific characters, so scum fakeclaims are likely going to be kept to a minimum OR flavor=/=alignment, in both cases nameclaiming is either beneficial or irrelevant except to help plan our actions out.
So you know this will help scum... but are going for it anyway? What? No. Nonono. No.
And from there i have already posted my thoughts. I guess i didnt do exactly what i wanted, but there is my thought process while reading. Everyone else reads town for now, those i quoted and pointed out flaws and such are my scumspects.
Proph lynch. If he is scum then wildfire.. the last one i am still not quite sure about. Maybe hooker for the strange karn comment.
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Also your writing of "I don't have any incriminating knowledge about you or any other town player." is pretty damning.
That is a good catch.
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He starts the post misrepping me VERY hard.
Then literally says 'I don't have anything incriminating against any townies.'
It does not get much clearer than this on a scum catch guys. Pile on and pile high.
Im rodemy, im a little special. Insulting me wont change the way i play tho.
Can i call a proph godat cyan scumteam?
Because cyan is sticking up for godat even tho karn is spot on in what she is saying.
Ooc: Sorry darlin, the downside of being new is not quite knowing what you are doing, please take no offence i suggest requesting a mentor next time.
IC: Lynch it!!!!!
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Did anyone else notice this?
It's painfully obvious here that godot misunderstood what Karn was implying. All three of the votes on this wagon are bad. Rodemy still seems pretty town, but Wildfire goes down a peg and Karn has plummeted into my scum reads. I'd be perfectly happy seeing any of him, Tanarin or Kamikaze dead today.
I'm probably going to fall back to town-hunting for this Day 1. I have no clear super-clear, slam dunk scum suspects, just a bunch of players who my read on them is either "always look scummy regardless of alignment" or "new". And that's a bit frustrating.
My gut is reading Godot as newb-town. This feels like a lack of self-awareness, to me:
In addition, his #292 feels very earnest.
I have no idea what Rodemy is doing in his #278. I mean, I sort of understand the first part of the post, but the second part is just completely off the rails and I don't understand who he's addressing it to.
Can you answer the second part of that post? Did you have any real reads on the people on my wagon, at that time?
I like Megiddo's post, but I am still paranoid that he can fool me.
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I did some rereading and have some questions I would like to ask.
@dkings: Why exactly did you think Rodemy is town in #66, especially after Apocalypse Mafia where we got bitten hard by auto-clearing Rodemy?
@Rodemy: Why did you vote for Axelrod, when you said that you "wanted me dead" Today? Same with your move to Godot. Do you still want me dead?
@Wheat: Is there a reason why you're intentionally tossing around unexplained reads, votes, etc? I don't recall this being a normal part of your playstyle.
@Cythare: In Celestial, you put me as trending down due to my "activity levels". How does that mesh with this game? Do you think I can fake my activity levels as scum?
@Megiddo:
1. What do you make of Rodemy's stance against me now? Like, he was pursuing me when my wagon was legit but it seems he just completely dropped it.
2. What posts of Axelrod's do you like? Please explain this read in more detail.
You are flat-out deulsion if you think that this is a scum response.
If you're still doing this, then why did you request a name-claim?
It seems plenty scummy to me.
1) He's slipping on the knowledge that Karn is town
2) He's focusing on town members as people he'd "have incriminating knowledge about"
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It's gut.
If you remember, I was one of the first players to express a scum read on him in Apocalypse, and I stuck to it longer than most of the rest of you did. It was primarily based on a feeling that he just was not playing the same game as he usually does. In that game he was oddly confident and his language was more forceful. Here he is just being his normal spastic self.
You guys are reading far too much into this.
Karn in particular should know better. This behavior is nothing like he acted in Archer, where he was town. Does anyone have an example of a Karn-scum game I can look at?
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Also still interested in Proph/KA/Meg in roughly that order.
I'm not interested in answering this. You should know why.
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I'm willing to give Godot the benefit of new player doubt. Nothing I've seen is something a new player couldn't do/say. I also think I'm just going to /barn dkings the rest of this game since I agree with almost everything he's saying - except Rodemy as obvious Town, I don't get that. I don't know why people ever listen to Karn. That bulldog style is like fingernails on a chalkboard to me.
Scum *does* have incriminating evidence on other scum. It could have been a slip out of noobishness.
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I have Void and dkings as decently-strong town reads, with Godot and Wildfire backing up the rear. Wildfire actually made me second-guess on Godot when he pointed out that Godot slipped on the knowledge that Karn is town, but I don't know, my gut is telling me that Godot is just newb-town and earnestly wants to try hard. Newb-scum often don't really have that pull.
Wouldn't mind a vig shot thrown at Natirasha.
Megiddo and Axelrod make me feel /uncomfortable/ but I'm not exactly sure if I'm interested in lynching either of them Day 1. Megiddo because I'm always paranoid of him when we're in games together (I just noticed that his last post felt kind of like buddying to me) and Axelrod because I'm not exactly sure from his posts that he's trying to Figure Things Out. Like, it feels like he's hopping from subject to subject in his posts, with little follow up. The thing that gets me is that I read his posts from Redux and Return to Ravnica and he was actually putting effort/scumhunting in both of those games (one as town, one as scum) but it feels like he's floating around in this one. Axelrod, is there any reason for the playstyle shift here?
I think that Megiddo's adaptation of a new playstyle this game has to do with this:
The "REALITY DISTORTION FIELD" is a phenomena that I've seen that basically means that certain players won't be lynched/some people will defend that player regardless of alignment, no matter how they're playing. Players who probably have one are Natirasha/HookerPunch, Megiddo, Sir Karn, and Seppel.
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I actually don't know why.
Godot. What did you mean by incriminating?
What is your read on me right now?
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Are you saying you think Proph is scum?
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I appreciate the efforts of those coming to my defense. Tank you. <3
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You want me to ride them down all the way after they become pretty apparently townie? What an awful proposition.
I'm looking for scum and have nicely found multiple town along the way. It sounds like you're implying I'm scum because I didn't stick to my original stance after many things changed.
You're delusional to think I'm delusional.
People listen to me because I cut the ***** and get results. Sorry I don't want to sit around and play with myself and read novels from people all Day.
Meg's "Reality Distortion Field" is something along the lines of, he thinks he's good enough that no matter how bad he plays he can't be lynched. Needed to pop that bubble.
I was referring to your own actions when I said that saying nothing is the best way to not say anything incriminating. Because you've done NOTHING all game. Easy way to ride by as new!scum is to active-lurk (post but don't actually say anything).
What are you even doing this game.
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I would argue that it's the most terrible, but I would agree that all of them are very terrible.
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I don't feel like I'm playing especially differently. Certainly nothing deliberate. I'm just busy and it's still early.
HookerPunch (2) - HookerPunch, Wheat_Grinder
KamikazeArchon (1) - Prophylaxis
Prophylaxis (6) - Megiddo, Sir Karn, Rodemy, KamikazeArchon, waitingforgodot, Cythare
Rodemy (1) - Tanarin
Tanarin (4) - Cyan, dkingsland967, Void, Deathjoey
Not Voting: Axelrod, Wildfire393
I think it's highly likely there are at least two scum within the red and orange. (Note: Karn and Cythare are probably not scum together.) I mentioned these before when Proph asked me, but Kamikaze's vote on him was OMGUS and Cythare voted immediately after being called out by Deathjoey. And speaking of, DJ's vote on Tanarin is suspect as he gave very little reasoning and just kinda went with a fairly easy place to throw down a vote.
Something else I noticed that is quite odd, almost everyone on the Proph wagon went in completely different directions when they unvoted. Shortly before this point, Wheat unvoted Proph and voted HookerPunch. Kamikaze hopped onto Cyan, godot went to the Tanarin wagon, Rodemy voted Axelrod, Megiddo voted Cythare, and Karn and Cythare hopped back-to-back onto Megiddo.
Gonna just reread the whole thing since I'm over half the game behind already I think.
Sadly all i have is my phone so doing this is going to be ***** tastical
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Aod of course, his behavior here is also just indepedently scummy anyway.
Looking at Rodemy's 31 again I feel like he's town because he's trying to figure out the game. This is not a strong read.
40 (Tan) and 48 (Cyan) I think that Tanarin oversimplified Rodemy's reasoning but I think Cyan going after him on it is a more semantics-based argument than Tan's.
I actually don't like Wildfire much.
I'm feeling better with Proph's explanations though but why does his 29 suck so bad
Karn is still town because I see what he's thinking. I like dkings as well which I think I said before.
HookerPunch cares way too much about never taking bait and that's why I think he's scum. It reads as self-conscious; he's afraid of getting caught if he goes on people.
Void is definitely town.
Oh wait I was wrong 102 is why I thought HP was scum. The rest is supporting evidence then.
This concludes my obligation to answer Proph's question.
You know what have I ever played a full game with Deathjoey before I always see him around but I never end up playing with him for long.
Wildfire is giving off scum vibes and it's driving me nuts because I can't figure out why.
I'm waiting for waitingforgodot to post more
Kami 139: Cythare was lacking content?
holy ***** i never noticed that killjoy and deathjoey almost have the same name
Axelrod feels like I remember from...well, Cyberspace is the only one we were both in together I think.
dking 158: Wheat_Grinder likes this post!
HP ignored me but that's okay he's still scum.
god 175 (godot) feels bad
HookerPunch is not getting any townier.
189: Rodemy is not paying attention in the face of trying to find scum and therefore I'm now pretty sure he's town.
I don't see what Cyan sees and that scares me.
I am against massclaiming vengeance triggers as my trigger is tied to my role.
HP's claim in 216 fits my theory.
I don't see the Tan wagon at all.
234: I don't get it
237: Wildfire is scum for how he jumped on.
Nope Karn psyched me out he is 100% wrong I cannot see how he actually believes this and he is scum.
251 (cythare): You're supposed to moonwalk away
goddammit meg i take back everything I just said, I see what Karn sees now. meg's not scum tho.
bottom of page 11 (godot): No one but Iso is that clever and Iso is mod
meg (290): I don't think you know how to read me because not even Iso can read me. He's right about 25% of the time because he thinks I'm scum every game.
I like Meg's list.
yep, Karn is town again.
god godot (300) is bad i'm going to vote him in my next post I think
and now cyan hates semantics again despite his argument on tanarin being the worst offender
308 (Proph): The first line is how Karn plays mafia though. I know because Karn and I have the same playstyle and that's what I do.
From the same post "@Wheat: Is there a reason why you're intentionally tossing around unexplained reads, votes, etc? I don't recall this being a normal part of your playstyle." Yes there is, because it puts the person hit by it on edge until they know what I see. I'm out of practice with it though; I forgot the right way to use it.
Cyan (313): Because this particular scum is new and bad at mafia. It is definitely something that new scum do.
I think Cythare is town because I disagree with him entirely. I cannot explain further for months, probably.
I'm caught up.
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I'm also a woman, as Rodemy has stated. It's not a huge deal if the pronoun for me continues to be male, but yeah, I am female.
I did not have reads on them prior.
got to prophs non rvs post and remeber why i want him dead. Rvs had gone on too long? 14 posts into the game? Nope.
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@Proph: I hardly call 4 hours RVS going on for a while. Hell, not even everyone has checked in by my count. I can certainly see why you voted him (He voted for the mod as opposed to a player,) but it seems you are trying to over explain your reasoning.
@Rodemy: Why go after DJ for his lack of vote in his 1st post? Proph and Axel also did the same thing. Axel still has not voted last I checked. If you were truly concerned about a non vote 1st post, I would think you would have gone after them as well. Yet, you chose to only go after Proph for his Kami vote and not his 1st post and totally ignored Axel.
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Your reasoning for voting me seems super forced, but i will explain: he didnt even take the time to read over the very few posts there were and put a vote out there. If he wasnt going to vote.. and INSTANTLY be vla for 24 hours, he could have waited to confirm. but he had the time to confirm in thread and not put a little effort in before announcing he was going vla. Thatw as all i was asking. Is this normal for him? Proph and axel went on to vote
Here we learn that Axel hates meta arguments.
After reading from wildfires first vote on proph and the interactions between the two until wildfire unvotes, i feel like wildfire feigned an epiphony in order to get off the proph wagon early so not to throw his buddy under the bus.
He was saying that his screamin about his towniness was ooc for proph, then a brainfart later it all makes sense. I dont buy it.
How does KAs vote on iso mean anything. AND HOW THE HELL CAN YOU FORGET WHO IS MODDING THIS GAME?
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And now you aresaying he'll show as scum by lurking. Why, then, when he WASNT lurking, did you think he was scum? Your logic is scum!proph lurks. And seriously, this entire post is awful. Refering to one scum game of prophs where he lurks. He has been scum nore than that and i can tell you the he doesnt always lurk.
Is it really that obvious when proph is scum? I mean if we all know it, dont you think he'd change that by forcing us out of rvs so more discussion can happen and he can comment on morre thus appearing to not lurk?.. oh.... wait...
So here you want meta arguments..... which earlier you stated you didnt like?? Hmmm
Just looked at your posts before this. You never stated you wanted to vote karn. So the use of the word still seems fake like you have been wanting this the whole time.
I read "dig back" as "dick bag" i lol'd. You should too.
So you know this will help scum... but are going for it anyway? What? No. Nonono. No.
And from there i have already posted my thoughts. I guess i didnt do exactly what i wanted, but there is my thought process while reading. Everyone else reads town for now, those i quoted and pointed out flaws and such are my scumspects.
Proph lynch. If he is scum then wildfire.. the last one i am still not quite sure about. Maybe hooker for the strange karn comment.