If Karn is being truthful about his role being provable, strongly pro-town, and something that gets weaker if it's outed, I'd recommend strongly against shooting him.
If all these people are telling the truth, then, I'm looking at a grouping of:
KamikazeArchon
Deathjoey
Wildfire393
Sir Karn
Prophylaxis
Rodemy should fire into the bolded.
Also, They are the surviving members of my wagon that led to my claim (except for proph) and the rest of the wagon has flipped town so far pushing Axel's analysis even further towards this grouping being comprised of at least 2 scum - but I imagine there are 3.
I think that EP's list is fine, and I think both Rodemy and EP should shoot into it. I think there's scum in there, and we need information. Also if the scum have a roleblocker (likely given the number of abilities people seem to have) one of them should get through.
EP can shoot whoever he likes, obviously. It's just my opinion that that list probably has scum in there.
I'd also rather lynch Karn over DJ.Karn's play has been attrocious this game, whereas I recall DJ making some posts I liked.
Or Wildfire. We can lynch him too. But he's in the shot pool, so maybe see what happens to him tonight.
Karn says he can prove he's town... I'd like to see that. I don't believe he can.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I think both shots is too risky, especially if we mislynch toDay. If both shots hit town, it's game over.
EP can save his shot. It's not like he's getting NK'd tonight.
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Oh. I didn't realize we were that close. Yeah, EP can save his shot if we mislynch. He can decide what to do if we don't, because then we will have info and can use that later.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
EP saves his shot.
We lynch Sir Karn pls (unvote. Vote: Sir Karn)
If Karn flips town, don't put wildfire in the pool of targets. If Sir Karn flips mafia, well I hope there's priority on Wildfire over Deathjoey and KA, then.
My powers would be diminished if scum knew what I was doing. It's not in our best interest for me to out my abilities. I don't want to get shot though by the vig so I had to say something.
This does nothing for me.
Well your not the vig. So
I've already proven I'm town. If you actually read toDay you might realize it.
I know I disappeared for a bit, but votes on me after what I've recently said are absolute hogwash and you should feel bad.
My powers would be diminished if scum knew what I was doing. It's not in our best interest for me to out my abilities. I don't want to get shot though by the vig so I had to say something.
This does nothing for me.
Well your not the vig. So
I've already proven I'm town. If you actually read toDay you might realize it.
I know I disappeared for a bit, but votes on me after what I've recently said are absolute hogwash and you should feel bad.
I read today. You haven't proven squat.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
You either have something or you don't pseudo claiming bull is what scum do.
Notice how Proph promptly unvoted me.
Thanks.
Oh my god, your right. Townness proven!
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I am Komato Trooper 07115-31243-46526, Town 1-Shot Bulletproof.
The first time I get shot, I will dodge it.
My vengeance ability is activated when I am targeted by an ability.
I was shot at last night, and my vengeance is activated. My vengeance ability is role blocker
DK, Seppel - Neighbours
Town, but if I were to pick, seppel is more likely to be scum of the two.
Godot - Tracker
Pretty much confirmed town.
EP - Bomb
I see no reason to disbelieve his Bomb claim.
Rodemy - Rolecop, vig
My problem with rodemy's claim is, rolecop is typically scum role, and taking into account my ability, there is an unclaimed shot going around.
KJ, Kami, Wildfire, Karn, Proph, Axel - Vanilla
Based on my PoE, there are likely to be at least 2/3 scum in this group.
If Rodemy Shoots me tonight, I can block rodemy, godot can watch me.
If I block rodemy, If live, my claim is confirmed. If I die, I was lying, and I'm dead.
Ep can fire at his choice of vanilla.
EBWOP
KJ is not vanilla.
And when did Karn claim Jailer?
I think you probably shouldn't have targeted Prophy, cuz I'm thinking he's scum....
Ok so three options:
Karn is town, Prophy is town
Karn is town, Prophy is scum
Karn and Prophy scum together
Karn cannot be scum without Prophy being scum too, if I'm right about his claim.
So, then my top 3 suspects are Prophy, Wildfire, and Kami. Since Wildifre is on the Rodemy Shoot list we can leave him be for now. Or I want either KA or Prophy dead Today then.
EWP: Wait, DJ did you get shot at last night? Where did you say that?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
If Rodemy Shoots me tonight, I can block rodemy, godot can watch me.
If I block rodemy, If live, my claim is confirmed. If I die, I was lying, and I'm dead.
then what
is this
what
If you already used your dodge, then getting shot tonight will kill you. If you die, you weren't necessarily lying or telling the truth.
I don't imagine the person who shot DJ wants to say so?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Something feels off about Deathjoey's claim. Or rather several somethings.
1) Bulletproof + "get targeted" vengeance trigger seems too similar to EP's claim
2) Both claimed vengeance abilities so far are vig shots, yet his is Roleblocker?
3) Both claimed vengeance abilities so far are vig shots, and we're supposed to believe there's another vig around?
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Thinking about it more, there's also the matter that DJ's claim is even scummier than Rodemy's.
At least two players get vig shots as their vengeance trigger, and if he's to be believed, there's another vig as well. That means BP Scum is 100% on the table as an available role. And Roleblocker is another traditionally-scum role.
Yep, leaving my vote where it is.
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Something feels off about Deathjoey's claim. Or rather several somethings.
1) Bulletproof + "get targeted" vengeance trigger seems too similar to EP's claim
2) Both claimed vengeance abilities so far are vig shots, yet his is Roleblocker?
3) Both claimed vengeance abilities so far are vig shots, and we're supposed to believe there's another vig around?
So I've been thinking about DJ's claim a bit. I'll address them during this post.
I'm not sure what the about the BP is similar to EP's claim, but I assume you were mostly talking about the trigger. The problem logically with that is we don't know if there are duplicate triggers in this game. And "Targeted by an ability" is extremely non-specific, so I assume it COULD have been given to multiple people. It's not character specific.
And 2 is also illogical because again, you're extrapoloating what we know to everyone. I assume not everyone's gonna flip vig when their vengence gets triggered. Not to game the mod, but that's just very uncreative, lazy design. Also not to game the mod, while completely gaming the mod... Iso probably put a lot of thought into the game design... and "everyone's a vig when their trigger goes off" requires little thought.
3 I can get behind though. I disbelieve that there's someone who started off as a vig, and used their first shot N1 to target DJ over someone else. But then I might be biased becasue I wasn't as suspicious of DJ as others were.
My personal problem with his claim is his wording of his trigger: "targetted with an ability". It's TOO vague. With bulletproof I would think that the word 'killing' would have been in there somewhere, and would have made sense. The fact taht he did not include that likely means it's not in there, if he's telling the truth. Which is unlikely because being targeted with any ability is pretty crazy if we extrapolate from the claimed triggers/my own that triggers are likely not so easy to set off.
Cyan (if being truthful) had to be first on a scum lynch wagon. Neighbors have to be the last surviving of their group. Mine requires a specific character to die. Rodemy had to convince Iji to trust him and target him with his ability, which had Iji been a more experienced player he might not have done so easily.
TLDR with his claim that someone shot him N1 when 2 others have vig powers already and the wording problem, consider my vote on DJ. I believe he's already at L-2. I'll officially vote him if no one claims the shot.
I think we'll get places quicker if we each claim that we did not shoot him, instead of waiting for everyone to read this then just not say anything.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
So I've been thinking about DJ's claim a bit. I'll address them during this post.
I'm not sure what the about the BP is similar to EP's claim, but I assume you were mostly talking about the trigger. The problem logically with that is we don't know if there are duplicate triggers in this game. And "Targeted by an ability" is extremely non-specific, so I assume it COULD have been given to multiple people. It's not character specific.
And 2 is also illogical because again, you're extrapoloating what we know to everyone. I assume not everyone's gonna flip vig when their vengence gets triggered. Not to game the mod, but that's just very uncreative, lazy design. Also not to game the mod, while completely gaming the mod... Iso probably put a lot of thought into the game design... and "everyone's a vig when their trigger goes off" requires little thought.
3 I can get behind though. I disbelieve that there's someone who started off as a vig, and used their first shot N1 to target DJ over someone else. But then I might be biased becasue I wasn't as suspicious of DJ as others were.
My personal problem with his claim is his wording of his trigger: "targetted with an ability". It's TOO vague. With bulletproof I would think that the word 'killing' would have been in there somewhere, and would have made sense. The fact taht he did not include that likely means it's not in there, if he's telling the truth. Which is unlikely because being targeted with any ability is pretty crazy if we extrapolate from the claimed triggers/my own that triggers are likely not so easy to set off.
Cyan (if being truthful) had to be first on a scum lynch wagon. Neighbors have to be the last surviving of their group. Mine requires a specific character to die. Rodemy had to convince Iji to trust him and target him with his ability, which had Iji been a more experienced player he might not have done so easily.
TLDR with his claim that someone shot him N1 when 2 others have vig powers already and the wording problem, consider my vote on DJ. I believe he's already at L-2. I'll officially vote him if no one claims the shot.
I think we'll get places quicker if we each claim that we did not shoot him, instead of waiting for everyone to read this then just not say anything.
I did not shoot DJ.
The other similarity is that both Rodemy and DJ have passive abilities that affect the first killing ability used against them. Add that to the "targeted by an ability" thing and it seems too similar, IMO, for both roles to exist.
Also, I missed this the first time through his claim, but
If Rodemy Shoots me tonight, I can block rodemy, godot can watch me.
If I block rodemy, If live, my claim is confirmed. If I die, I was lying, and I'm dead.
Godot is a tracker, not a watcher. I'm not sure what watching DJ would do here anyways.
Anyhow, I did not shoot DJ. I think this claim is a good route to go. It's *plausible* that there's a scum out there who shot DJ (and the town vig shot Cyan?) but that situation does not make as much sense as the reverse, so we won't likely risk mislynching over scum withholding information.
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The other similarity is that both Rodemy and DJ have passive abilities that affect the first killing ability used against them. Add that to the "targeted by an ability" thing and it seems too similar, IMO, for both roles to exist.
I assume you mean EP instead of Rodemy. I feel like that's kinda stretching it, though. I mean, if you go out far enough, everything is similar. I feel like you're just wrong here.
Also, I missed this the first time through his claim, but
If Rodemy Shoots me tonight, I can block rodemy, godot can watch me.
If I block rodemy, If live, my claim is confirmed. If I die, I was lying, and I'm dead.
I would like DJ to answer to whether or not he was shot last night, though. Half the things he said seem to come from the 'he was' standpoint, while the other half comes from the 'he wasn't' standpoint, which doesn't make sense.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Augh, I'm having trouble keeping EP and Rodemy straight it seems.
I really don't know how you can't think of these roles as similar though. Bomb is basically Bulletproof, but it kills the attacker instead of preserving the bearer. Functionally, they're close to identical once claimed, as neither player will be the target of a NK if they're known to be Bulletproof/Bomb.
I am Komato Trooper 07115-31243-46526, Town 1-Shot Bulletproof.
The first time I get shot, I will dodge it.
My vengeance ability is activated when I am targeted by an ability.
I was shot at last night, and my vengeance is activated. My vengeance ability is role blocker
This seems pretty unambiguous though.
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I've decided I'm not a fan of the logic Wildfire is employing to justify his place on the DJ wagon. All that illogicalness and stretching gives me the willies. If DJ is scum, Wildfire should be looked into tomorrow.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Bomb is a reactive killing role, and Bulletproof is a passive protective role. They're not similar. The only similarity is that they're less likely to be targeted. Functionally they're very different.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I've decided I'm not a fan of the logic Wildfire is employing to justify his place on the DJ wagon. All that illogicalness and stretching gives me the willies. If DJ is scum, Wildfire should be looked into tomorrow.
Uh? I've been suspicious of DJ since yesterDay, and voted him pre-claim. I think his claim smells fishy, and you AGREE with some of the logic I'm using.
Sounds to me like you're looking for an excuse to put me into the line of fire tomorrow if DJ flips scum, perhaps as a way to rebound for your buddy getting lynched today?
I may have to re-examine the possibilities for why a scum would target EP.
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Bomb is a reactive killing role, and Bulletproof is a passive protective role. They're not similar. The only similarity is that they're less likely to be targeted. Functionally they're very different.
They're both passive roles. They both "trigger" on being targeted with a kill. They both deter being NK'd. Mechanically, they may be different in their execution, but functionally they're practically identical, especially once claimed.
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I've decided I'm not a fan of the logic Wildfire is employing to justify his place on the DJ wagon. All that illogicalness and stretching gives me the willies. If DJ is scum, Wildfire should be looked into tomorrow.
Uh? I've been suspicious of DJ since yesterDay, and voted him pre-claim. I think his claim smells fishy, and you AGREE with some of the logic I'm using.
Sounds to me like you're looking for an excuse to put me into the line of fire tomorrow if DJ flips scum, perhaps as a way to rebound for your buddy getting lynched today?
I may have to re-examine the possibilities for why a scum would target EP.
Yeah, not ALL of it is bad. I specified what in your argument was illogical. And I specified what was being stretched. That's true though, you were on the wagon before his claim.
But you got really jumpy really quickly. That's another thing against you. I need to recheck your scum game to see if you're usually that jumpy under pressure. Night is the only game I think I was in with scum!you. So I'll look at that soonish.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I do not know what Karn/Proph is/are claiming and I still do not trust either, so there.
I did not shoot Deathjoey, and I think his claim is bad.
I would like to lynch him.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Night is my only scumgame unless you count Industry (which I don't because of bastardly mechanics) or Unreal (where I replaced into a slot that was 100% getting lynched anyways and got to post all of twice).
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Bomb is a reactive killing role, and Bulletproof is a passive protective role. They're not similar. The only similarity is that they're less likely to be targeted. Functionally they're very different.
They're both passive roles. They both "trigger" on being targeted with a kill. They both deter being NK'd. Mechanically, they may be different in their execution, but functionally they're practically identical, especially once claimed.
Yes, they are both passive in the sense that they require nothing from their owners, and yes, they both trigger when targeted by a kill. But again, it's the mechanical differences that make them functionally different. The fact that a Bomb is a killing ability makes it different from the protective Bulletproof.
Unless you're referring specifically to how scum would treat townies with those abilities, there are little to no similarities there. Is that what you're saying?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
No scum would have tried to kill Daethjoey last night. Not in a million years. If a Townie wants to step up and say they tried to vig. him, I guess we can discuss it further, but until that happens....
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Night is my only scumgame unless you count Industry (which I don't because of bastardly mechanics) or Unreal (where I replaced into a slot that was 100% getting lynched anyways and got to post all of twice).
Kk. Will look at those soonish. It's not 6am, and I'm sleepy.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
@EP: Where are you getting jailer from Karn's psuedo-claim?
@Seppel: I think a full massclaim is a bad idea. At least one player has stated their vengeance trigger is a specific character dying. If everyone outs their character name, we could end up helping scum activate their vengeance abilities.
But you got really jumpy really quickly. That's another thing against you. I need to recheck your scum game to see if you're usually that jumpy under pressure. Night is the only game I think I was in with scum!you. So I'll look at that soonish.
/barn this, that sudden OMGUS flip Wildfire did on Killjoy made my skin crawl.
No scum would have tried to kill Daethjoey last night. Not in a million years. If a Townie wants to step up and say they tried to vig. him, I guess we can discuss it further, but until that happens....
Annnnnnnnnnnnnnd /barn again.
In addition to that, there is literally no reason to believe that Cyan was shot by a town player. I'm relatively certain that Kamikaze was the only player in the game to express a scum read on Cyan.
Ergo...
@Kamikaze: Did you have a vig shot last night, and did you shoot Cyan?
I think DJ is possibly a straight-up Role-blocker all the time and is lying about the Vengeance trigger/Being targeted for a kill thing.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
An SK is the only possibility of anti-town role targeting DJ.
@dking: There are very few roles that allow for interactions like proph/karn are describing.
What interactions are they describing though? Karn targeted Proph. Proph is evidently aware of this and thinks it looks Townie? Personally I don't get "jailer" out of that. I don't get much of anything out of that. And like I said, I'm not exactly inclined to just trust them yet.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
An SK is the only possibility of anti-town role targeting DJ.
I think it's highly unlikely we have an SK in this game. Multiple players can (apparently) unlock vig shots, there are no protective roles, and we've already seen a neutral flip.
Jailor is sort of the textbook target someone and soft claim the role to them. Normally it is a hell of a lot more subtle than "HEY PROPH I TARGETED YOU, UNVOTE ME" but it is one of the few roles both people know something happened and can confirm the ability.
Jailor is sort of the textbook target someone and soft claim the role to them. Normally it is a hell of a lot more subtle than "HEY PROPH I TARGETED YOU, UNVOTE ME" but it is one of the few roles both people know something happened and can confirm the ability.
Except, by the OP, we can literally guarantee that there's no Jailer in the game.
I can think of a few other roles that fit the mold of what happened here.
Motivator, for example
Inventor seems like another possibility
Mailman is another, if Karn wasn't cryptic with his message.
Basically anything that would inform Proph that he was targeted by an ability that's not obviously anti-town, but not tell him the target.
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I've decided I'm not a fan of the logic Wildfire is employing to justify his place on the DJ wagon. All that illogicalness and stretching gives me the willies. If DJ is scum, Wildfire should be looked into tomorrow.
Uh? I've been suspicious of DJ since yesterDay, and voted him pre-claim. I think his claim smells fishy, and you AGREE with some of the logic I'm using.
Sounds to me like you're looking for an excuse to put me into the line of fire tomorrow if DJ flips scum, perhaps as a way to rebound for your buddy getting lynched today?
I may have to re-examine the possibilities for why a scum would target EP.
I don't think this needs to be said, but I did not shoot Deathjoey.
I'd like him to specify whether he was even shot at last night. He said he has a one-shot dodge and he was shot at last night. But if Rodemy shoots him tonight he'd dodge again..,, and I'd watch?
Then I asked like... No? If you're shot at again, you'd die? And he was like, yeah. So. Yeah. What is it?
It's okay. 3:
Rodemy should fire into the bolded.
Also, They are the surviving members of my wagon that led to my claim (except for proph) and the rest of the wagon has flipped town so far pushing Axel's analysis even further towards this grouping being comprised of at least 2 scum - but I imagine there are 3.
EP can shoot whoever he likes, obviously. It's just my opinion that that list probably has scum in there.
I'd also rather lynch Karn over DJ.Karn's play has been attrocious this game, whereas I recall DJ making some posts I liked.
Or Wildfire. We can lynch him too. But he's in the shot pool, so maybe see what happens to him tonight.
Karn says he can prove he's town... I'd like to see that. I don't believe he can.
I'm against a massclaim of any sort right now.
EP can save his shot. It's not like he's getting NK'd tonight.
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We lynch Sir Karn pls (unvote. Vote: Sir Karn)
If Karn flips town, don't put wildfire in the pool of targets. If Sir Karn flips mafia, well I hope there's priority on Wildfire over Deathjoey and KA, then.
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Well your not the vig. So
I've already proven I'm town. If you actually read toDay you might realize it.
I know I disappeared for a bit, but votes on me after what I've recently said are absolute hogwash and you should feel bad.
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No one else should be run up to claim range.
I read today. You haven't proven squat.
Notice how Proph promptly unvoted me.
Thanks.
Oh my god, your right. Townness proven!
I'm 90% confident that Sir Karn is town due to mechanics. For the rest of Today, please treat him as confirmed town.
Now, let's get back to Deathjoey.
I am Komato Trooper 07115-31243-46526, Town 1-Shot Bulletproof.
The first time I get shot, I will dodge it.
My vengeance ability is activated when I am targeted by an ability.
I was shot at last night, and my vengeance is activated. My vengeance ability is role blocker
Doing some PoE, taking the 12 remaining players
1. dkingsland967 - Neighbour
2. Rodemy - Rolecop, vig
6. Killjoy
7. KamikazeArchon
8. emo_pinata - Bomb, vig
10. Deathjoey
11. Seppel - Neighbour
12. Wildfire393
13. Sir Karn
14. Prophylaxis
15. waitingforgodot - Tracker
16. Axelrod
Deathjoey - Bulletproof, Roleblocker
DK, Seppel - Neighbours
Town, but if I were to pick, seppel is more likely to be scum of the two.
Godot - Tracker
Pretty much confirmed town.
EP - Bomb
I see no reason to disbelieve his Bomb claim.
Rodemy - Rolecop, vig
My problem with rodemy's claim is, rolecop is typically scum role, and taking into account my ability, there is an unclaimed shot going around.
KJ, Kami, Wildfire, Karn, Proph, Axel - Vanilla
Based on my PoE, there are likely to be at least 2/3 scum in this group.
If Rodemy Shoots me tonight, I can block rodemy, godot can watch me.
If I block rodemy, If live, my claim is confirmed. If I die, I was lying, and I'm dead.
Ep can fire at his choice of vanilla.
EBWOP
KJ is not vanilla.
And when did Karn claim Jailer?
So tonight if you get shot, you die, right? :s
Yes
what. no. why. e.e
@Rodemy please shoot Karn
I think you probably shouldn't have targeted Prophy, cuz I'm thinking he's scum....
Ok so three options:
So, then my top 3 suspects are Prophy, Wildfire, and Kami. Since Wildifre is on the Rodemy Shoot list we can leave him be for now. Or I want either KA or Prophy dead Today then.
EWP: Wait, DJ did you get shot at last night? Where did you say that?
then what
is this
what
If you already used your dodge, then getting shot tonight will kill you. If you die, you weren't necessarily lying or telling the truth.
I don't imagine the person who shot DJ wants to say so?
Something feels off about Deathjoey's claim. Or rather several somethings.
1) Bulletproof + "get targeted" vengeance trigger seems too similar to EP's claim
2) Both claimed vengeance abilities so far are vig shots, yet his is Roleblocker?
3) Both claimed vengeance abilities so far are vig shots, and we're supposed to believe there's another vig around?
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At least two players get vig shots as their vengeance trigger, and if he's to be believed, there's another vig as well. That means BP Scum is 100% on the table as an available role. And Roleblocker is another traditionally-scum role.
Yep, leaving my vote where it is.
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I'm not sure what the about the BP is similar to EP's claim, but I assume you were mostly talking about the trigger. The problem logically with that is we don't know if there are duplicate triggers in this game. And "Targeted by an ability" is extremely non-specific, so I assume it COULD have been given to multiple people. It's not character specific.
And 2 is also illogical because again, you're extrapoloating what we know to everyone. I assume not everyone's gonna flip vig when their vengence gets triggered. Not to game the mod, but that's just very uncreative, lazy design. Also not to game the mod, while completely gaming the mod... Iso probably put a lot of thought into the game design... and "everyone's a vig when their trigger goes off" requires little thought.
3 I can get behind though. I disbelieve that there's someone who started off as a vig, and used their first shot N1 to target DJ over someone else. But then I might be biased becasue I wasn't as suspicious of DJ as others were.
My personal problem with his claim is his wording of his trigger: "targetted with an ability". It's TOO vague. With bulletproof I would think that the word 'killing' would have been in there somewhere, and would have made sense. The fact taht he did not include that likely means it's not in there, if he's telling the truth. Which is unlikely because being targeted with any ability is pretty crazy if we extrapolate from the claimed triggers/my own that triggers are likely not so easy to set off.
Cyan (if being truthful) had to be first on a scum lynch wagon. Neighbors have to be the last surviving of their group. Mine requires a specific character to die. Rodemy had to convince Iji to trust him and target him with his ability, which had Iji been a more experienced player he might not have done so easily.
TLDR with his claim that someone shot him N1 when 2 others have vig powers already and the wording problem, consider my vote on DJ. I believe he's already at L-2. I'll officially vote him if no one claims the shot.
I think we'll get places quicker if we each claim that we did not shoot him, instead of waiting for everyone to read this then just not say anything.
I did not shoot DJ.
The other similarity is that both Rodemy and DJ have passive abilities that affect the first killing ability used against them. Add that to the "targeted by an ability" thing and it seems too similar, IMO, for both roles to exist.
Also, I missed this the first time through his claim, but
Godot is a tracker, not a watcher. I'm not sure what watching DJ would do here anyways.
Anyhow, I did not shoot DJ. I think this claim is a good route to go. It's *plausible* that there's a scum out there who shot DJ (and the town vig shot Cyan?) but that situation does not make as much sense as the reverse, so we won't likely risk mislynching over scum withholding information.
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I would like DJ to answer to whether or not he was shot last night, though. Half the things he said seem to come from the 'he was' standpoint, while the other half comes from the 'he wasn't' standpoint, which doesn't make sense.
I really don't know how you can't think of these roles as similar though. Bomb is basically Bulletproof, but it kills the attacker instead of preserving the bearer. Functionally, they're close to identical once claimed, as neither player will be the target of a NK if they're known to be Bulletproof/Bomb.
This seems pretty unambiguous though.
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Uh? I've been suspicious of DJ since yesterDay, and voted him pre-claim. I think his claim smells fishy, and you AGREE with some of the logic I'm using.
Sounds to me like you're looking for an excuse to put me into the line of fire tomorrow if DJ flips scum, perhaps as a way to rebound for your buddy getting lynched today?
I may have to re-examine the possibilities for why a scum would target EP.
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They're both passive roles. They both "trigger" on being targeted with a kill. They both deter being NK'd. Mechanically, they may be different in their execution, but functionally they're practically identical, especially once claimed.
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But you got really jumpy really quickly. That's another thing against you. I need to recheck your scum game to see if you're usually that jumpy under pressure. Night is the only game I think I was in with scum!you. So I'll look at that soonish.
I did not shoot Deathjoey, and I think his claim is bad.
I would like to lynch him.
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Unless you're referring specifically to how scum would treat townies with those abilities, there are little to no similarities there. Is that what you're saying?
@Seppel: I think a full massclaim is a bad idea. At least one player has stated their vengeance trigger is a specific character dying. If everyone outs their character name, we could end up helping scum activate their vengeance abilities.
/barn this, that sudden OMGUS flip Wildfire did on Killjoy made my skin crawl.
/barn this too
Also, I did not shoot DJ.
Annnnnnnnnnnnnnd /barn again.
In addition to that, there is literally no reason to believe that Cyan was shot by a town player. I'm relatively certain that Kamikaze was the only player in the game to express a scum read on Cyan.
Ergo...
@Kamikaze: Did you have a vig shot last night, and did you shoot Cyan?
If not, then I think Deathjoey is lying.
@dking: There are very few roles that allow for interactions like proph/karn are describing.
What interactions are they describing though? Karn targeted Proph. Proph is evidently aware of this and thinks it looks Townie? Personally I don't get "jailer" out of that. I don't get much of anything out of that. And like I said, I'm not exactly inclined to just trust them yet.
I think it's highly unlikely we have an SK in this game. Multiple players can (apparently) unlock vig shots, there are no protective roles, and we've already seen a neutral flip.
Except, by the OP, we can literally guarantee that there's no Jailer in the game.
I can think of a few other roles that fit the mold of what happened here.
Motivator, for example
Inventor seems like another possibility
Mailman is another, if Karn wasn't cryptic with his message.
Basically anything that would inform Proph that he was targeted by an ability that's not obviously anti-town, but not tell him the target.
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I'd like him to specify whether he was even shot at last night. He said he has a one-shot dodge and he was shot at last night. But if Rodemy shoots him tonight he'd dodge again..,, and I'd watch?
Then I asked like... No? If you're shot at again, you'd die? And he was like, yeah. So. Yeah. What is it?