I don't know, every time I've been in a game with scum!AE, he's felt scummy early. Maybe he's gotten better, but I think Axel and SNL are better lynches. The question I'm trying to figure out is, is Axel bussing SNL because he saw which way the winds turn, or is he jumping on a mislynch to save his own skin? SNL's absence says it is likely a bus, but someone should probably look to see if there was any interaction beforehand.
If you're debating between two options in both of which Axelrod is scum, why are you considering lynching SNL?
@Cantrip: 47, clarified in 50. Doesn't feel like a scum-Cantrip mistake.
Ah, right. But...why does it go away if scarbo's town?
I said it goes away if scarbo is scum. Basically, I feel like scum wouldn't randomly assert easily disprovable facts. So if you were scum, and scarbo is townie, then there is no way you would ask the question the way you did. However, if scarbo is scum, then it's possible you are interacting with him weirdly, in order to provide some crosstalk without really adding content, so it stops being a town read for you.
Walk me through the logic here like I'm 5.
You think Cantrip is town because he missed a post and asked me a question. You do realize that if Cantrip is town he doesn't know my alignment, so how would my alignment have any impact on this bogus town read? So explain how what happened is incompatible in a scum-Scarbo/town-Cantrip universe.
I don't know it just seems like it would be more logical for you to be pushing Axelrod's lynch if you think he's scum but not sure if he's pushing for an SNL mislynch or busing.
I think SNL's claim fiasco, plus his trying to say the whole "Don't think Selesnyans can't be scum" rings hollow. Guilds are randomly determined anyways, so of course Selesnyans could be scum.
Also, Axel's last posts have been a bit townier lately. SNL has overtaken him on my scumdar.
In this thread. He used it on someone else within the thread, and it seems to be how he does it.
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It's concise, but also lacks detail, better for the player than for making arguments.
I don't get what you mean by "better for the player"...which player?
Ah, sorry. Better for the player using it, so in this case, it's better for SNL. I can using a listing system to keep thoughts in mind, but then using that list as arguments is weak. For example, within the list it has a lot of "Statement" or "Answer", but that doesn't provide any insight.
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I haven’t had much concern with KK’s posts this game; do you really think you’re going to derail SNL’s wagon from L-2 and build support for a player with one vote on him based on the above reasoning?
Nope, but I've been hopping around the less viewed players. This is all part of my above reasoning.
Other than demonstrate that you were on a bunch of players wagons Day 1, what are you hoping to accomplish?
What I hope to accomplish is keeping these people in the forefronts of minds.
I notice you completely avoid having an opinion on SNL. Why?
Because my post was not truly about SNL (except the claim). It was about my (wrong) feelings on KK and the arguments regarding the claim. If you want my opinion on SNL, I'll need to invest some time, rather than reading along and responding to what I don't like.
You have no opinion...on the guy on the brink of being lynched? Who's been the focus of the discussion for a couple hundred posts? How is that even remotely possible? I need you to commit to the present moment: Do you think SNL is town or scum?
There is a reason I haven't voted for him and made no arguments against his lynch, but only to delay it. I haven't seriously read him. If forced to make a choice, I'd go mafia for the reasons AI outlined. Also, as I've thought about it, If SNL is new, he would not have claimed vanilla. No power role name=vanilla is not something a new player would connect, especially with an ability to use. If he is at least a little experienced, he's made multiple suspicious plays, like not claiming to have any kind of ability just because his role says vanilla.
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She wants a ride on the pony, dude.
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Was going to post that I just couldn't work up any enthusiasm for a SNL lynch, but it's based more on gut feeling than anything especially Townie he's posted in the thread. He's been pretty useless too. This may be moot now.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Day One Final Vote Count
Axelrod (3): RobRoy, Cantripmancer, Sir Karn SelesnyaNewLife (9): Hunger, AsianInvasion, Dagaen, Cyouni, dkingsland967, KoolKoal, LnGrrrR, SelesnyaNewLife, Archmage Eternal
RobRoy (1): Axelrod
KoolKoal (1): Scarbo
As I crept, unseen, through the streets, I heard a large commotion a block over. I made my way toward the noise, which intensified as I approached. I could just make out accusatory voices.
Before the crowd came into view I heard a the brutish roar from what I could only assume was a large ogre, followed by a dull thud of bone hitting rock above my head. Fortunately my cowl protected my hair from the rubble that fell.
I turned back to see what—or who—had been flung at at me. A small goblin, probably juvenile, lay there. Blood oozed from his cracked skull, staining his green-and-white robes. His eyes fluttered slightly—he was still alive, if only by a thread.
I knew he wouldn't be long for this world, so I decided to do something I am not proud of and end his life decisively. I felt that it was the most humane option.
As I cradled his head in my hands, I could read his thoughts. Fear overwhelmed his mind, as well as sadness. I briefly probed for any signs that he was one of the conspirators, but I found none. An innocent's blood was spilled today.
I said some brief words, then snapped his neck.
SelesnyaNewLife has been lynched.
SelesnyaNewLife was Guttersnipe, Citizen of Ravnica
It is now Night one. Do not post.
Night will last for approximately 72 hours. Actions not submitted to be by the 72 hour mark will not be counted.
I left the goblin and snuck toward the crowd. Just as it came into view, everybody went silent. My eyes darted back and forth, looking for whatever could have quelled the fervor.
My question was soon answered. Thunderous footsteps erupted from one of the sidestreets. The members of the crowd who were centaur-sized or smaller immediately scattered, clearly afraid for their lives.
Those who weren't as swift to run were punished. A great, demonic scythe swept through the crowd, instantly killing a dozen people. Rakdos had returned.
The carnage began as he made his way through the crowd. I wasted no time wondering why, with Rakdos, there's never a point. My only priority was survival. I ducked back into the alley and began to make my escape... but then I picked up on something that grabbed my interest.
I turned on a dime and made my way back to the block where Rakdos was rampaging. Dangerous, but if my hunch was right, it wouldn't be for long.
The silence that greeted me as I stepped into the now-deserted block confirmed my suspicions. Rakdos was dead. The demon lay on the ground, his fire extinguished. His rampage had been spurred on by a blind rage of pain, but he was already as good as dead when he made his appearance not two minutes ago.
This had to be foul play. But who in the entire plane of Ravnica could bring down Rakdos himself? My investigation took on a new sense of urgency.
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Scarbo has been killed.
Scarbo was Rakdos, Lord of Riots, Town Guild Master
Today begins the new deadline rule! Please see the OP.
AE basically did nothing helpful yesterday, only fished for guild info and labeled players as suspicious, said he'd look into them, but never delivered.
His reaction to Selesnya calling him scum (636) is scumcentral. /case
That's...not a case. I dunno where you learned how to play Mafia, but you should clearly go back for remedial lessons.
@Dagaen: Hot enough for ya?
scarbo would have been the last player I would kill as the scum. I'm gonna reread him to see if I can figure out who he was onto.
@Cantripmancer: Not feeling AE as scum. I'm pretty sure he plays like this in all of his games.
In the meantime, the only player scummier than SNL (who I'm still struggling to see as town) is RobRoy. His scumlist was so ineffective he may as well not have provided it and proceeded to do nothing to earn any trust afterward.
Karn, start making sense please. Random assured statements aren't really helping us.
Vote Robroy
This is who Scarbo was pushing against IIRC, along with Axel. Given Rob's complete lack of presence yesterDay, I think it would behoove him to start doing something.
Never Vote for yourself as town. Ever. Why the F would you do that. Day was not over. I was warming up to SE and he gave up.
Frick.
I am ultra busy this weekend. I have a group assignment with the group from hell so I'm basically going to solo it. After Monday I will start my reads with information.
I seriously doubt scarbo was killed for his reads, as he voted for basically half the player list in one day, and no one was agreeing with his thoughts either.
The vig is slacking since AE is still here
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I'll bet you wish you had a non-unglued/unhinged card that shared your first name.
About a year's worth now, on here and a few on mafiascum. If you want games, Marvel Madness 2 just ended (where I sucked big time), and I have played Apocalypse, BSG, House, Majora's Mask (ugh), Social Engineering (but that's probably not too useful), WWE... a few others I am probably not remembering.
If you want Mafiascum I can find a few of those games.
RobRoy is still my top prospect. Nothing happened yesterday or last night to change that. He also last posted on 3/10/14. If there is a Vig. that was definitely where the shot should have gone.
AE has been fairly useless, I agree. That's kind of AE's thing though. His request for mass claim also feels slightly Townish to me, and I feel like there are currently bigger fish. That hammer vote was bad though.
I'll probably do a whole thing on the SNL lynch later. Who was on it and who was off it and why. That might generate some data. I already know off the top I dislike how strongly Sir Karn was defending SNL at the end of the day. SNL just hadn't done anything to merit that much certainty.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
scarbo would have been the last player I would kill as the scum. I'm gonna reread him to see if I can figure out who he was onto.
I can handle the heat, thank you. I really doubt Scarbo/Racbos pressure on me during early d1 counts as "being onto me" though;p His death was weird, Racbos was jumping from my neutral pile to my scum pile all the time, no idea why scum would waste such a guy. Maybe it was good low-profile kill.
I'm not sure if it was made clear, but my comment @you had nothing to do with my follow-up statements.
Another player I'll be looking into is TK-421. I feel like he's been slipping under the radar recently and I really don't like that.
Yo Karn: someone asked you yesterday why you seemed so adament that SNL was Town and your reply was a somewhat snarky "because I read his posts." I'd like you to elaborate a bit on that if you would. You realize that most people didn't see what you were seeing. What was it for you?
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
RobRoy is still my top prospect. Nothing happened yesterday or last night to change that. He also last posted on 3/10/14. If there is a Vig. that was definitely where the shot should have gone.
AE has been fairly useless, I agree. That's kind of AE's thing though. His request for mass claim also feels slightly Townish to me, and I feel like there are currently bigger fish. That hammer vote was bad though.
I'll probably do a whole thing on the SNL lynch later. Who was on it and who was off it and why. That might generate some data. I already know off the top I dislike how strongly Sir Karn was defending SNL at the end of the day. SNL just hadn't done anything to merit that much certainty.
While I agree he was a good vig target, I would argue scarbo, AE, and you were as well. There was a decent push on you yesterday which could give info and alleviate some suspicion if you are town, and scarbo was called out for not paying close attention and voting half the players in the game. It could be possible he was the vig and the NK failed, since he does seem to be an odd NK target. Though it could just have been a low info kill since he was all over the place he doesn't really give us great leads. And there were some people that didn't like AE for calling for the guild claim and not following up on his saying he would provide reads.
I agree with you on Sir Karn in theory, but in the 1 game I have played with him and he was town, he also made very definitive statements like this. I do recall him providing some actual analysis though, which remains to be seen. Others know his meta better I am sure.
I seriously doubt scarbo was killed for his reads, as he voted for basically half the player list in one day, and no one was agreeing with his thoughts either.
The vig is slacking since AE is still here
Like I said above, scarbo could have been the vig or just a low info kill.
He was not acting like he was when we ran him up Day1 and he was scum in Basic 84. That game just ended so I couldn't talk about it yesterDay.
This is still a little vague. Can you get more specific about what he was doing there vs. what he did this game that made you so sure?
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Doobie doobie doo.
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If you're debating between two options in both of which Axelrod is scum, why are you considering lynching SNL?
Walk me through the logic here like I'm 5.
You think Cantrip is town because he missed a post and asked me a question. You do realize that if Cantrip is town he doesn't know my alignment, so how would my alignment have any impact on this bogus town read? So explain how what happened is incompatible in a scum-Scarbo/town-Cantrip universe.
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Also, Axel's last posts have been a bit townier lately. SNL has overtaken him on my scumdar.
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In this thread. He used it on someone else within the thread, and it seems to be how he does it.
Ah, sorry. Better for the player using it, so in this case, it's better for SNL. I can using a listing system to keep thoughts in mind, but then using that list as arguments is weak. For example, within the list it has a lot of "Statement" or "Answer", but that doesn't provide any insight.
What I hope to accomplish is keeping these people in the forefronts of minds.
There is a reason I haven't voted for him and made no arguments against his lynch, but only to delay it. I haven't seriously read him. If forced to make a choice, I'd go mafia for the reasons AI outlined. Also, as I've thought about it, If SNL is new, he would not have claimed vanilla. No power role name=vanilla is not something a new player would connect, especially with an ability to use. If he is at least a little experienced, he's made multiple suspicious plays, like not claiming to have any kind of ability just because his role says vanilla.
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Also, from what I can tell, though SNL's newish, this isn't his first game.
OK but is it a good idea?
I think we should get RobRoy.
Still want an Axelrod lynch toDay.
Also wouldn't mind a TK lynch.
Let's hope that the comment was his sad attempt at trolling us rather than something he expects us to take seriously.
Wow, you're really useless, aren't you.
Was going to post that I just couldn't work up any enthusiasm for a SNL lynch, but it's based more on gut feeling than anything especially Townie he's posted in the thread. He's been pretty useless too. This may be moot now.
If he expects us to take it seriously is that such a bad thing?
Vote Count
Axelrod (3): RobRoy, Cantripmancer, Sir Karn
SelesnyaNewLife (8): Hunger, AsianInvasion, Dagaen, Cyouni, dkingsland967, KoolKoal, LnGrrrR, SelesnyaNewLife
RobRoy (1): Axelrod
Scarbo (1): Archmage Eternal
KoolKoal (1): Scarbo
With 16 alive, it's 9 to lynch!
Please inform me if there is an error with any vote count.
Prod check will still occur later.
Oh considering he's not actually dead, it's all still WIFOM. Great.
Can we lynch him now?
Not concerned with the spotlight of not being around and then hammering. Don't see the lynch going any other way.
unvote vote SNL
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Officially we are in twilight. Night will commence within a few hours. You may continue to post until then.
Edit: Nevermind. I'll close up shop within the next 15 minutes or so. So get your last-minute posts in now!
Sounds pretty defensive there, bro.
Axelrod (3): RobRoy, Cantripmancer, Sir Karn
SelesnyaNewLife (9): Hunger, AsianInvasion, Dagaen, Cyouni, dkingsland967, KoolKoal, LnGrrrR, SelesnyaNewLife, Archmage Eternal
RobRoy (1): Axelrod
KoolKoal (1): Scarbo
As I crept, unseen, through the streets, I heard a large commotion a block over. I made my way toward the noise, which intensified as I approached. I could just make out accusatory voices.
Before the crowd came into view I heard a the brutish roar from what I could only assume was a large ogre, followed by a dull thud of bone hitting rock above my head. Fortunately my cowl protected my hair from the rubble that fell.
I turned back to see what—or who—had been flung at at me. A small goblin, probably juvenile, lay there. Blood oozed from his cracked skull, staining his green-and-white robes. His eyes fluttered slightly—he was still alive, if only by a thread.
I knew he wouldn't be long for this world, so I decided to do something I am not proud of and end his life decisively. I felt that it was the most humane option.
As I cradled his head in my hands, I could read his thoughts. Fear overwhelmed his mind, as well as sadness. I briefly probed for any signs that he was one of the conspirators, but I found none. An innocent's blood was spilled today.
I said some brief words, then snapped his neck.
SelesnyaNewLife has been lynched.
Night will last for approximately 72 hours. Actions not submitted to be by the 72 hour mark will not be counted.
A lot
A lot
My question was soon answered. Thunderous footsteps erupted from one of the sidestreets. The members of the crowd who were centaur-sized or smaller immediately scattered, clearly afraid for their lives.
Those who weren't as swift to run were punished. A great, demonic scythe swept through the crowd, instantly killing a dozen people. Rakdos had returned.
The carnage began as he made his way through the crowd. I wasted no time wondering why, with Rakdos, there's never a point. My only priority was survival. I ducked back into the alley and began to make my escape... but then I picked up on something that grabbed my interest.
I turned on a dime and made my way back to the block where Rakdos was rampaging. Dangerous, but if my hunch was right, it wouldn't be for long.
The silence that greeted me as I stepped into the now-deserted block confirmed my suspicions. Rakdos was dead. The demon lay on the ground, his fire extinguished. His rampage had been spurred on by a blind rage of pain, but he was already as good as dead when he made his appearance not two minutes ago.
This had to be foul play. But who in the entire plane of Ravnica could bring down Rakdos himself? My investigation took on a new sense of urgency.
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Scarbo has been killed.
It is now Day 2. Your deadline is two weeks.
With 14 alive, it's 8 to lynch!
AE basically did nothing helpful yesterday, only fished for guild info and labeled players as suspicious, said he'd look into them, but never delivered.
Vote: AsianInvasion
His reaction to Selesnya calling him scum (636) is scumcentral. /case
That's...not a case. I dunno where you learned how to play Mafia, but you should clearly go back for remedial lessons.
@Dagaen: Hot enough for ya?
scarbo would have been the last player I would kill as the scum. I'm gonna reread him to see if I can figure out who he was onto.
@Cantripmancer: Not feeling AE as scum. I'm pretty sure he plays like this in all of his games.
In the meantime, the only player scummier than SNL (who I'm still struggling to see as town) is RobRoy. His scumlist was so ineffective he may as well not have provided it and proceeded to do nothing to earn any trust afterward.
Vote RobRoy
Vote Robroy
This is who Scarbo was pushing against IIRC, along with Axel. Given Rob's complete lack of presence yesterDay, I think it would behoove him to start doing something.
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Never Vote for yourself as town. Ever. Why the F would you do that. Day was not over. I was warming up to SE and he gave up.
Frick.
I am ultra busy this weekend. I have a group assignment with the group from hell so I'm basically going to solo it. After Monday I will start my reads with information.
The vig is slacking since AE is still here
About a year's worth now, on here and a few on mafiascum. If you want games, Marvel Madness 2 just ended (where I sucked big time), and I have played Apocalypse, BSG, House, Majora's Mask (ugh), Social Engineering (but that's probably not too useful), WWE... a few others I am probably not remembering.
If you want Mafiascum I can find a few of those games.
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AE has been fairly useless, I agree. That's kind of AE's thing though. His request for mass claim also feels slightly Townish to me, and I feel like there are currently bigger fish. That hammer vote was bad though.
I'll probably do a whole thing on the SNL lynch later. Who was on it and who was off it and why. That might generate some data. I already know off the top I dislike how strongly Sir Karn was defending SNL at the end of the day. SNL just hadn't done anything to merit that much certainty.
I'm not sure if it was made clear, but my comment @you had nothing to do with my follow-up statements.
Another player I'll be looking into is TK-421. I feel like he's been slipping under the radar recently and I really don't like that.
His play has been very.... Methodical? It seems nothing has phased him or changed his mind or surprised him or anything
There was that one time that SNL flipped town. That was surprising.
What was the purpose in asking for LnGrrrR's mafia experience?
I agree with you on Sir Karn in theory, but in the 1 game I have played with him and he was town, he also made very definitive statements like this. I do recall him providing some actual analysis though, which remains to be seen. Others know his meta better I am sure.
Like I said above, scarbo could have been the vig or just a low info kill.
This is still a little vague. Can you get more specific about what he was doing there vs. what he did this game that made you so sure?
You can read/skim SNL's posts of Day 1 of Basic 84 if you actually care about it.
It's quite different.