We at least can assume Proph and Generic aren't both scum together, because that would mean the mod added a Mafia Rolecop into a game just to find 2 Masons.
@Seppel: What kind of response do you expect for your Karn PBPA? All you basically did was call his posts "goodposting" and then magically conclude that he is "beyond town" based on behavior. Besides the Cantrip wagon, what has he done that makes him townie?
@Generic: So Karn's move to lynch what he feels is a fake claim vig is what makes him scum? He hasn't backed down from his read on Proph, Vig claim and all. He is putting his neck out there doing so. I think that is a good sign.
Plus as far as the misspells, I might believe your if not for the way you worded the Rodeny post.
I bet your wondering what prompted my further look into you?
Well considering you were going to do the same thing to a town!Rodemy before he replaced out. I see no problem with that.
Plus I wouldn't be bringing up this odd angle if I didn't have more and encourage people to take a look into it. Why didn't Cantrip take a closer look into the other people who was on my wagon earlier when he was going after Karn?
Plus I am starting to wonder how much work we have done as a town into clearing players based on a scum flip Cantrip. Currently reading postsaround posts 380-390 right now and really noting Proph's and Fade's involvement in putting work into bringing down Cantrip.
Karn was one of the first to note it, along with FIGHTING (who has flipped town.)
Plus cannot help but note how in post 400 Seppel takes a moment when attention is being drawn away from Cantrip to offer a new scum list with Generic, who I remember he never pressed wholeheartedly, Storyteller, who flipped town, and Fade, who as I already noted went after Cantrip, who was quite near a lynch at the moment.
(I know I had a part in the focus distraction, but I was not about to allow what I thought at the time was a bait for a modkill-able offense.)
Plus I can't help but note how early game Generic after noting Seppel being on Cantrip's wagon says Karn got on for no reasonhere!
And I am nowhere near from done. Please if Generic is going to be giving me, a very poorly timed, silent treatment, I do hope the rest of the game at least would chime give me feedback in this!
Pretty sure I might just end up replacing out at this point.
I'm town, but I have absolutely zero motivation to put work into this game. Except for Day 1, this game has been nothing but a fun-sucker for me, and reading/rereading it has just been a pain and I'd just prefer to concentrate on my other games.
I'd prefer to replace out, but I'll think about it tomorrow and evaluate from there. I'm only putting 25% of my effort into this game, probably less. Come tomorrow I'll make a decision about replacing out, or put more effort in this game.
Shockwave's last couple of posts should prove that he's town - there's no way scum would skim over the doc claim and make a dumb Generic push.
I have no idea why you guys (Seppel, Karn) are lynching someone that can autoconfirm himself as town tomorrow.
fadeblue/Nny are still my top two scum picks, and pre-reread, the wagon on Seppel is dumb.
@Proph: Let me get this straight. From your point of view (as a town vig), you appear to be auto-clearing yourself, Generic, and Raptor. This leaves 5 uncleared players: Seppel, Karn, Shock, Nny, and me, with 2 scum in that group. Three of them were pushing for your lynch today (Seppel, Karn, Shock), yet you feel it likely that all of them were just misguided town, and the remaining scum are Nny and me (and we have both stated that you should be shooting us if Seppel flips town). Is this correct?
It was simple logic, Proph has claimed a role he can prove, sir karn claims to not know if it's seppel or fade but is certain about Proph... So you lynch one of the two, Proph is proven a list in night phase and oh look you have your candidates for scum on a plate with it being mylo.
Generic's attitude is pretty poor and what he is doing makes little sense. Especially from a town perspective. Generic had just tried to tie Seppel to Karn earlier when attention was shifting to him and now that it is on him he's deflecting it elsewhere.
When have Seppel or Generic pressed full look into each other when both are known for their scum games? In what world does this make sense after this?
Looks like our replace mod Seppel and Nny are due one.
Rancid Raptor is getting close as it was close to three days ago that he posted.
This game needs to advance. I'm putting Seppel at L-1.
Also, what the hell is it with all these replacements?! Proph don't replace out. The last thing we need, even in light of a mass claim, is someone coming in as a confused as hell as to what is going on in a slot that is a claimed vig.
Is there a case you want to make on anyone? Any possible connections you haven't quite made? I'll do what I can to narrow the reading material down and keep it to key post.
...Nothing like the Rodemy catch up game summary posts 1 through 120!
The muppets awoke, expecting someone to be gone. They made their way to the plaza, and sure enough there were only 6 individuals.
Unsurprisingly, Generic, better known as Grover, Town Doctor was missing.
The number of muppets were decreasing rapidly. They needed to figure out who the bad muppets were very soon, or Sesame Street would no longer be the place it once was.
We are in 6-man Lylo, but practically at 5-Man with RR confirmed town. Because of this fact we can't use a no lynch to narrow the pool of suspects any further in the hopes scum will eliminate another unconfirmed town.
We now know scum must be among myself, Sir Karn, Nny, Fadeblue, and you Proph. I need to reread, but I wonder if your are likely telling the truth. And yes, a hasty vote now is all that is needed to send the game into a loss.
I am starting to wonder why Karn thought he would be the NK now that we have a confirmed flip from Generic as doc. No where did he say he thought Generic was fake claiming and the logical kill last night would have to be the most likely to succeed, as there is a 0% chance the doc would be protected under normal circumstances where a doc does not have a self targeting ability.
I need to look into things, but Karn is a good place to start. Fade is looking like a good person to look into as well. While I am questioning myself on this one, Proph did give off town vibes early game. Nny... No strong opinion.
Mafia could have easily killed someone other than Generic in order to bring in wifom - wasn't it you in fact that started calling Generic scum? I left that last note just in case they did.
@Shock: What work are you talking about? Lots of it was shown yesterday and Proph never answered it. We gave him a chance I prove himself last night and he didn't.
Nny is correct that a RB is much less likely if the town only has a Doc and 1-shot vig. Mafia also had a Rolecop. I think a low-power Rolecop vs Doc + Masons setup is much more likely than a RB+Rolecop vs Doc+1-shot Vig+Masons.
Also don't like how Proph had his post up 3 minutes after the start of day, and has said nothing since.
Ready to vote Proph.
Also, with Seppel flipping town, I think that makes Karn much likelier to be town.
This post from Shockwave is the only thing he posted for a long time and he completely ignored/didn't mention just about everything that was going on. He didn't have a stance and he was happy to sit back and do nothing - and just let (what is apparent now) a town v. town fight happen.
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After a ridiculously long pause from posting, Prophy comes back with this, then ends up not posting again for the rest of the Day.
Okay, I'm going to have to abandon the alignment-hunting part of this PBPA of Karn. He's beyond town just with behavior alone, and in addition, he raises good points about Shockwave and Proph.
Any way things are, Proph is the most behaviorally scummy player in the game, he has scummy interactions with a confirmed scum, and he has the most common scum falseclaim in recent existence.
Prophylaxis
Rancid Raptor
Generic
Shockwave07
Sir Karn
Seppel
Nny
fadeblue
I'm town.
Raptor is town because mason.
Generic is a claimed doctor.
Shockwave is a bog-standard VI, like I've repeatedly said D1. I would be surprised if he flipped scum.
Sir Karn is an unaligned pair due to Cantrip, though I hate how he's tunneling on me. I want to see him claim, though.
Seppel is town because of the storyteller townslip, though I'm a bit cautious of it due to how well Rodemy faked that tell in Apocalypse. I think he's still town, though.
I want to lynch either one of (Nny, fadeblue). I'll shoot the other. That *should* end the game, provided there are no scum out of Seppel/Karn/Shockwave, which I don't think there are; they have me totally convinced on behavior.
It's posts like this that make me think you're not actually town. You need to step it up.
I don't know how I missed this before. This reads like definite coaching: "You need to step it up."
That was shortly after Proph claimed Vig. I gave him a pass until he could prove his ability. He can't, and is obviously lying scum. I didn't consider the implications of the setup until after I voted you when the Day opened. The "you need to step it up" was with the caveat that he was, in fact, the Vig.
As for Shockwave, I recently recall him boasting about a scum win that he shouldn't have had on another site in a game...Drury Lane, maybe? At any rate, I couldn't remember why nobody was considering Shockwave viable as scum, and wanted to be refreshed on such.
I previously thought Nny was more likely to be Proph's partner, but Shock's attempt to stall the Proph lynch here looks really bad, especially since he's not bringing up any alternatives (in particular he hasn't even mentioned the obvious one: me).
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@Seppel: What kind of response do you expect for your Karn PBPA? All you basically did was call his posts "goodposting" and then magically conclude that he is "beyond town" based on behavior. Besides the Cantrip wagon, what has he done that makes him townie?
Plus as far as the misspells, I might believe your if not for the way you worded the Rodeny post.
I bet your wondering what prompted my further look into you?
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Plus I wouldn't be bringing up this odd angle if I didn't have more and encourage people to take a look into it. Why didn't Cantrip take a closer look into the other people who was on my wagon earlier when he was going after Karn?
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Karn was one of the first to note it, along with FIGHTING (who has flipped town.)
Plus cannot help but note how in post 400 Seppel takes a moment when attention is being drawn away from Cantrip to offer a new scum list with Generic, who I remember he never pressed wholeheartedly, Storyteller, who flipped town, and Fade, who as I already noted went after Cantrip, who was quite near a lynch at the moment.
(I know I had a part in the focus distraction, but I was not about to allow what I thought at the time was a bait for a modkill-able offense.)
Plus I can't help but note how early game Generic after noting Seppel being on Cantrip's wagon says Karn got on for no reasonhere!
And I am nowhere near from done. Please if Generic is going to be giving me, a very poorly timed, silent treatment, I do hope the rest of the game at least would chime give me feedback in this!
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Curse PremiumI'm town, but I have absolutely zero motivation to put work into this game. Except for Day 1, this game has been nothing but a fun-sucker for me, and reading/rereading it has just been a pain and I'd just prefer to concentrate on my other games.
I'd prefer to replace out, but I'll think about it tomorrow and evaluate from there. I'm only putting 25% of my effort into this game, probably less. Come tomorrow I'll make a decision about replacing out, or put more effort in this game.
Shockwave's last couple of posts should prove that he's town - there's no way scum would skim over the doc claim and make a dumb Generic push.
I have no idea why you guys (Seppel, Karn) are lynching someone that can autoconfirm himself as town tomorrow.
fadeblue/Nny are still my top two scum picks, and pre-reread, the wagon on Seppel is dumb.
I don't get it.
Generic's attitude is pretty poor and what he is doing makes little sense. Especially from a town perspective. Generic had just tried to tie Seppel to Karn earlier when attention was shifting to him and now that it is on him he's deflecting it elsewhere.
When have Seppel or Generic pressed full look into each other when both are known for their scum games? In what world does this make sense after this?
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Rancid Raptor is getting close as it was close to three days ago that he posted.
This game needs to advance. I'm putting Seppel at L-1.
Also, what the hell is it with all these replacements?! Proph don't replace out. The last thing we need, even in light of a mass claim, is someone coming in as a confused as hell as to what is going on in a slot that is a claimed vig.
Is there a case you want to make on anyone? Any possible connections you haven't quite made? I'll do what I can to narrow the reading material down and keep it to key post.
...Nothing like the Rodemy catch up game summary posts 1 through 120!
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Yes. Vote: Seppel
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Vote count maybe tomorrow or the day after.
Have fun burning the couch.
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Curse PremiumI really don't want to do this, but we don't need any more replacements.
Unvote, vote Seppel
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Seppel (5) Nny, fadeblue, Shockwave07, Generic, Prophylaxis
Prophylaxis (3) Sir Karn, Seppel
fadeblue (1) Rancid Raptor
Not Voting (0)
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It is now twilight. Lynch scene will be tomorrow some time. I'm EDIT:
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Oh, and while there is time:
Seppel= Scum, Shoot Generic.
Seppel=town, Shoot Fadeblue
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Also, the only person Generic should be considering protecting is Raptor.
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Seppel (5) Nny, fadeblue, Shockwave07, Generic, Prophylaxis
Prophylaxis (3) Sir Karn, Seppel
fadeblue (1) Rancid Raptor
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"Alright Big Bird, let's go."
The muppets walked Big Bird up to the noose, and tied the rope around the bird's neck.
"At least it's better than being a thanksgiving meal," said the bird.
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The rope was just barely positioned high enough to lynch Seppel, aka Big Bird, Town Vanilla.
It is now Night 3. It will last a couple days. DO NOT POST!
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The number of muppets were decreasing rapidly. They needed to figure out who the bad muppets were very soon, or Sesame Street would no longer be the place it once was.
It is now Day 4, you may post.
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We now know scum must be among myself, Sir Karn, Nny, Fadeblue, and you Proph. I need to reread, but I wonder if your are likely telling the truth. And yes, a hasty vote now is all that is needed to send the game into a loss.
I am starting to wonder why Karn thought he would be the NK now that we have a confirmed flip from Generic as doc. No where did he say he thought Generic was fake claiming and the logical kill last night would have to be the most likely to succeed, as there is a 0% chance the doc would be protected under normal circumstances where a doc does not have a self targeting ability.
I need to look into things, but Karn is a good place to start. Fade is looking like a good person to look into as well. While I am questioning myself on this one, Proph did give off town vibes early game. Nny... No strong opinion.
Will get some reads going.
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Anyway, I don't believe Proph
Vote: Prophylaxis
I am not forgetting that.
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Pretty sure it's Karn/Proph or fade/Proph at this point.
There is no way there's a Roleblocker with our only activated abilities being a Doc and a 1-Shot Vig.
Vote Proph
I am not saying don't lynch Proph, but I seriously want someone to show their work.
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Nny is correct that a RB is much less likely if the town only has a Doc and 1-shot vig. Mafia also had a Rolecop. I think a low-power Rolecop vs Doc + Masons setup is much more likely than a RB+Rolecop vs Doc+1-shot Vig+Masons.
Also don't like how Proph had his post up 3 minutes after the start of day, and has said nothing since.
Ready to vote Proph.
Also, with Seppel flipping town, I think that makes Karn much likelier to be town.
Did I not just do that?
Fill in the blank:
"Seppel flipping town makes me think Karn is more likely to be town, therefore, the last scum has to be __________."
But while it may be good, I am shook the hell up over the Futurama finish and how setup gaming led to some bad calls along the way.
Behavior analysis on Proph please.
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Four (censored) games to catch up on... *Grumbles*. No wait, five.
I'll see if I can find your cases.
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I will start the count down to prods again on the midnight between Dec 26 and 27.
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=10951267&postcount=214
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=10955217&postcount=234
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=10964385&postcount=265
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=10966730&postcount=303
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=10975766&postcount=330
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=10976681&postcount=332
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=10982873&postcount=369
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=11078553&postcount=583
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=11078618&postcount=584
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=11078629&postcount=585 / http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=11078639&postcount=586
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=11078814&postcount=590
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=11139430&postcount=746
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A break from Proph (since he didn't post forever and some relevant things came up):
I think this post makes Fadeblue town.
This post from Shockwave is the only thing he posted for a long time and he completely ignored/didn't mention just about everything that was going on. He didn't have a stance and he was happy to sit back and do nothing - and just let (what is apparent now) a town v. town fight happen.
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After a ridiculously long pause from posting, Prophy comes back with this, then ends up not posting again for the rest of the Day.
The next Day, Proph claims. Reason to not believe his claim:
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=11221111&postcount=1086
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Just found this. I wish Generic had explained what was Redacted before he died (if he could).
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Seppel compiles some of my points:
And a bit of a summary from myself:
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I don't know how I missed this before. This reads like definite coaching: "You need to step it up."
More on Nny: http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=11325083&postcount=1318
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I don't think scumShockwave could be this bizarre: http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=11329303&postcount=1330
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This scumpost.
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Turns into:
Without a single post in between.
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Then this mudsling:
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Nny is Prophy's scumbuddy.
As for Shockwave, I recently recall him boasting about a scum win that he shouldn't have had on another site in a game...Drury Lane, maybe? At any rate, I couldn't remember why nobody was considering Shockwave viable as scum, and wanted to be refreshed on such.
I previously thought Nny was more likely to be Proph's partner, but Shock's attempt to stall the Proph lynch here looks really bad, especially since he's not bringing up any alternatives (in particular he hasn't even mentioned the obvious one: me).