Rules (Shamelessly stolen from Zionite) READ THEM, SKIN TUBES:
1. Bold your votes and unvotes please. They should look like this: Vote: Rhand
2. Absolutely no crypto-claiming. PM me if you ever are in doubt about the legality of a post.
3. Any votes or unvotes not in bold will not be counted.
4. Do not communicate via PM/QT at night or day unless your role PM says otherwise.
5. Do not quote PMs or I will modkill you. Any use of PM-style information may result in the same. If unsure, ask first. Also do not request someone to quote their PM.
6. You may vote No lynch, and a majority of these votes will end the day without a death.
7. Please do not edit or delete your posts no matter how stupid a mistake you made. This will get you modkilled. This is your only warning. (I know, the irony is delicious)
8. Once you are dead you are allowed ONE "Bah - go town/mafia post". It must not contain game related information.
9. Even after you are dead, please refrain from discussing the game or your role with anyone, even other players who have also been eliminated. If you have any questions about this rule, please ask.
10. If you anticipate being unavailable for more than a 72-hour period, please post a notice to that effect in the thread. Else, you may be prodded or replaced.
11. If you have a night choice to make, it is due by the posted deadline. I will not wait for you – if you do not submit a choice to me, tough! No choice will be made.
12. Lynches will require a simple majority of votes. Once a player has reached the necessary majority, his pleas are useless and any attempts to unvote will go unheeded. In the event of a deadline, there will be a No Lynch. In the event of a tie, the player who reached that threshold first will be lynched.
13. If you are requesting a mod prod or vote count, please "@EtR:" your request so that I can see it more clearly.
14. I want this game to keep moving so I expect everyone to post at least once every three days at a bare minimum and if you don't, you may be replaced or modkilled.
15. Do not use the forum's "Thank Post" feature.
16. I reserve the right to change the rules at any time.
17. HAVE FUN!
18. Lastly and most importantly: respect me and the rest of the players. The subject matter allows for some fun and flexibility but forum rules still apply and I expect underlying civility at all times.
Stolen from Seppel
1. Immunities
2. Controlling another player's actions
3. First strike non-killing actions
4. Gaining actions
5. Losing actions
6. Redirecting / replacement effects
7. Roleblocking
8. Protecting
9. Rescuing / Reviving
10. Sending items or messages
11. First strike killing actions
12. Killing actions
13. Gathering information
14. Anything else
ROLE RELATED RULES:
1. The Town Win-Condition is: "You win when all non-town players are dead."
2. You cannot flavor game. The Mafia team may have false claims. Mass-claim at your own risk.
3. Due to the source flavor, kill flavor may not be consistent even if the reason for player death is the same.
4. The Mafia team may quote their PMs in the Mafia QuickTopic. This is the only case PM quoting is allowed.
5. Full Role PMs will be revealed upon death unless they aren't.
6. Do not discuss PM formatting. PMs are all formatted the same. Paraphrased flavor is allowed.
7. The information contained in your role PM is true.
EtR, you are HypnoToad, Neutral Mind Controller.
Flavor Flavor Flavor
Abilities:
You may Control everyone and have them bow down to you
You may vote.
Gender: Unknown
Species: Toad
Planet: HypnoToad hails from the gr...ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD
Still in the Crew:
1. iRebel*
2. Guardman
3. TK-421
4. FIGHTING
5. Idle Muse **
6. Blue Electric*
7. AsenionShockwave07*
8. Void
9. Rezombied*
10. Cythare
11. Paperblade * Rhand
12. DCIII
(Bold is confirmed; * denotes a prod)
Dead:
1. TK-421 - Morbo the Annihilator Neutral Human Hating Hit Man
2. Rhand - Kif Kroker, Vanilla Town
3. Guardman - Nibbler, Town Tracker
4. BlueElectric - Philip J Fry, Town Limited Back-Up
5. Cythare - Mom, Mafia Doctor
6. Shockwave07 - Zoidberg, Town Delayer
7. iRebel - Professor Farnsworth, Town Delivery Assigner and Doctor
Filling out an Application:
1. Shockwave07
2. Sir Karn
3. Seppel
4. Hunger 5. Rhand
"Sweet gorilla of Manila! Would you look at these numbers. It's the lowest point of profitability Planet Express has been at in the last 6-12 years." Hermes pointed out the plunging red line on the monitor before the rest of the crew.
"Who cares? Where's my beer?" Bender wandered away before anyone had a chance to respond. With a crash, Donbot came sauntering in the front door.
"Hey, youse guyse. You know that there is a plan out there to take over Planet Express right? I'm only tellin youse as a professional courtesy."
"Well, that's not good news at all, is it?" The professor looked quite nervous as he slid down his chair to reach the limited protection of the table.
"Not for you. Apparently someone really wants Planet Express for their own. And hey, it'd be a good front operation. Am I right?" Donbot looked around the office. "Yeah, I could make this a real nice mood room."
"Well you can't have it. Sweet Lion of Zion, if you hadn't interrupted I could have finished my new plan to raise our profits to an all time high!" Hermes was clearly becoming agitated. "Get out of the way you stupid squid." Dr. Zoidberg pulled his chair in closer to avoid Hermes in coming slap. It didn't work.
"Hey, why would you hit that guy? He didn't do nothin to you." Donbot rested his hand on Zoidberg's shoulder. "In fact, I'm going to make sure you don't do that again."
Before Hermes could react, his hand and his Manwich were gone. "My manwich! My hand!" Two more shots followed. "Oof. Tell LeBarbara I wanted a divorce. She always had eyes for Barbados Slim anyway. And Dwight can have my calculator." And just that quick, Hermes is gone.
"So, anybody else want to be a dummy?" Donbot looked each member of Planet Express square in the eye. "Good, then clean up this mess. It's making my new offi..." The power left Donbot before he could complete his sentence. As he crumpled to the ground Bender stood behind him with a handful of wires.
"He should have upgraded to the new sensor package that they have in all the Buicks. He would've seen that coming." Bender pulled Donbot's wallet out. "Look there's a note in here and it isn't a C-note."
Kill Hermes first. He's the brains of the operation. Make it menacing enough that they just leave town.
Don't mess this up.
"Looks like he wasn't kidding about someone trying to take over Planet Express. And now we don't have anyone to explain Hermes plan to save the business." Fry was visibly upset.
"I can explain it to everyone."
"Shut up, Zoidberg. Do you even know how to read?"
"We've got to get rid of these bodies and find out who is behind this." Leela picked up Hermes leg and started dragging him to a corner.
"Why wouldn't we just go to the police?" Fry was still shaken. "They should be able to help."
"Because I built this company from the ground up. I won't let it be taken over that easily." The Professor stood up. "We're going to make a delivery, straight to Hell 9B... And then we're going to figure what to do with these bodies."
I don't have any hard numbers on this, but I'm targeted more often than a black guy driving a beat-up sedan with a broken tail-light and no license plate, and Cy's well aware of that.
I don't have any hard numbers on this, but I'm targeted more often than a black guy driving a beat-up sedan with a broken tail-light and no license plate, and Cy's well aware of that.
Firstly, Mister Paper did not actually vote for Mister Void. I am relatively certain Mister Paper did not do this accidentally, as he demonstrates a clear understanding of bits of Mafia Theory. This is suspect because it does not leave Mister Paper accountable for any wagon that may occur on Mister Void while simultaneously giving him an in to the wagon if it does, in fact, develop. Also, it allows Mister Paper to potentially trap people who attempted to "follow" him on to the wagon on Mister Void. ^^
Finally, Mister Paper's explanation for voting Void is feeble and contradictory. Mister Void voted for a No Lynch, which allegedly does not help the game leave RVS...which spurred Mister Paper to leave RVS...by voting for Mister Void.
I do believe this is the correct direction for the Day.
I'm used to using lynch user or ##vote user for the syntax. That theory is pretty wild. And yes, I acknowledged when first questioned that technically that lets us leave RVS, but it's not in a way I'm fond of.
While your explanation for the lack of vote seems valid, Mister Paper, I am still inclined to call bull. ^^ Firstly, referring to my theory as "pretty wild" is a handwave, and a poor attempt to discredit me at best. Secondly, why are you not fond of leaving RVS in that particular manner? What is your preferred manner, and how does it differ from the manner in which Mister Void left RVS? Finally, how does that indicate the color red in Mister Void's role PM?
Firstly, Mister Paper did not actually vote for Mister Void. I am relatively certain Mister Paper did not do this accidentally, as he demonstrates a clear understanding of bits of Mafia Theory. This is suspect because it does not leave Mister Paper accountable for any wagon that may occur on Mister Void while simultaneously giving him an in to the wagon if it does, in fact, develop. Also, it allows Mister Paper to potentially trap people who attempted to "follow" him on to the wagon on Mister Void. ^^
Finally, Mister Paper's explanation for voting Void is feeble and contradictory. Mister Void voted for a No Lynch, which allegedly does not help the game leave RVS...which spurred Mister Paper to leave RVS...by voting for Mister Void.
I do believe this is the correct direction for the Day.
You also voted for Void without offering an explanation prior to switching your vote to Paper. What was your thought process there?
You also voted for Void without offering an explanation prior to switching your vote to Paper. What was your thought process there?
My thought process was, "Vote for Mister Void and see what Mister Paper does, as well as how Mister Void reacts."
However, upon further consideration, I found more and more wrong with the manner in which Mister Paper approached the Mister Void wagon. ^^ As such, I did not wish to miss an opportunity to shift the momentum on to Mister Paper, though ultimately I would have much preferred to see what else would have fallen out of the tree in the process.
My thought process was, "Vote for Mister Void and see what Mister Paper does, as well as how Mister Void reacts."
Why the focus on Paperblade at that point? What so grabbed your attention about them previous to your vote on Void, compared to other players?
It seemed completely out of place. There was no attempt to encourage discussion, no explanation beyond "because No Lynch", the mindset and emotions looked strange, and it felt like an opportunistic vote. Things like that are red flags to people who put stock into RVS analysis. ^^
Firstly, Mister Paper did not actually vote for Mister Void. I am relatively certain Mister Paper did not do this accidentally, as he demonstrates a clear understanding of bits of Mafia Theory. This is suspect because it does not leave Mister Paper accountable for any wagon that may occur on Mister Void while simultaneously giving him an in to the wagon if it does, in fact, develop. Also, it allows Mister Paper to potentially trap people who attempted to "follow" him on to the wagon on Mister Void. ^^
Finally, Mister Paper's explanation for voting Void is feeble and contradictory. Mister Void voted for a No Lynch, which allegedly does not help the game leave RVS...which spurred Mister Paper to leave RVS...by voting for Mister Void.
I do believe this is the correct direction for the Day.
This post is debatable because of paperblade’s reasoning for the “lynch Void” comment. One thing I found odd is that I knew what paperblade was attempting to do; yet, Blue did not, but was willing to accept the reasoning in a later post, but didn’t for what I chalk down to as her gut. Something about that does not feel right to me.
As for the jump that Blue made from myself to paperblade; this may be seen many ways. The two ways that are sticking out in my head are: It could be an opportunistic jump for bad play; it could be seen as a Scum buddy trying to bus.
For right now, I have Blue leaning Scum for this post.
You also voted for Void without offering an explanation prior to switching your vote to Paper. What was your thought process there?
My thought process was, "Vote for Mister Void and see what Mister Paper does, as well as how Mister Void reacts."
However, upon further consideration, I found more and more wrong with the manner in which Mister Paper approached the Mister Void wagon. ^^ As such, I did not wish to miss an opportunity to shift the momentum on to Mister Paper, though ultimately I would have much preferred to see what else would have fallen out of the tree in the process.
It’s probably because the word “opportunity” is in the sentence, but the bolded reads like Scum wording it towards a Town member.
Rapid firing posts indicate a nervous player. How many completed games do you have?
@iRebel, Idle Muse, Cythare, TK-421:
Please explain why you didn’t make a comment about the on-goings of the game Re: paperblade?
I read your previously completed games and noticed that in none of them no one had voted for a No Lynch and now that someone has you ignored it. Would you mind giving me a reason why?
Specifically for TK-421: While I understand wanting to be a part of RVS that does not mean that you get to just ignore the on-goings of the game. Please explain why you didn’t take more time in that post to comment on anything else.
Please explain why you didn’t make a comment about the on-goings of the game Re: paperblade?
I read your previously completed games and noticed that in none of them no one had voted for a No Lynch and now that someone has you ignored it. Would you mind giving me a reason why?
When would I have done that? I posted a couple minutes after Paperblade then left. At the time, I didn't register anything out of the ordinary.
Also, can you reword your second question here? There appear to be a lot of double negatives and I'm not sure what you're actually trying to get at.
Yep. I suspected Void was reaction baiting as town with his NL vote and that post confirms it for me. I'd be very surprised, all factors considered, if he would have made that play as scum.
Strongest read of the game right now for me is a Town Void.
@Blue - when you placed your vote on Void first, why would that trigger a reaction from Paper since he already had his vote on Void?
Also, do you really think that Paper was intentionally faking a vote by using lynch vs. vote? His intent to vote for Void was clear. His reasoning for voting for Void's NL vote seems like enough of a place to start the line of questioning without reaching for more to add to the case.
I'm used to using lynch user or ##vote user for the syntax. That theory is pretty wild. And yes, I acknowledged when first questioned that technically that lets us leave RVS, but it's not in a way I'm fond of.
vote Void
I'm not convinced by this, too... how to vote is clearly laid out in the rules, and there was a whole bunch of RVS voting that demonstrates it, you'd really have to be not reading the thread OR the rules to miss that.
Where is it common to use that syntax, Paperblade?
That said, I can't see any scum reason to psuedo-vote Void like that...
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My thought process was, "Vote for Mister Void and see what Mister Paper does, as well as how Mister Void reacts."
Why the focus on Paperblade at that point? What so grabbed your attention about them previous to your vote on Void, compared to other players?
This post seems very off to me.
@Idle - I see where you say you don't see any scum reasoning for the pseudo-vote, so then why say that you aren't convinced that he is used to the lynch syntax and press the issue by asking him where it's common? If there isn't a scum reason to do it, why does it matter? It looks like you're trying to throw suspicion on Paper without committing to thinking his behavior is scummy.
Also - you ask what "so grabbed" Blue's attention about PaperBlade compared to other players when it was very clearly the fact that he cast the first real vote of the game. This after basically barning her suspicion that he got tripped up with the syntax.
This post doesn't appear to come from any real place of curiosity but, rather, more be an attempt to cast suspicion on other players.
I would vote for Blue, but I can't pin down why that post doesn't feel right to me.
@rezombied:
More reaction baiting. You kind of killed it though...
@Cythare:
That second question was meant for iRebel. It was a mistake on behalf.
@iRebel:
Since Cythare had issues with reading the question I think you might as well so here it is reworded: I looked at your previously completed games and noticed that no one had made a "No Lynch" vote in those games. Why did you not respond to my No Lynch vote in this game?
Firstly, Mister Paper did not actually vote for Mister Void. I am relatively certain Mister Paper did not do this accidentally, as he demonstrates a clear understanding of bits of Mafia Theory. This is suspect because it does not leave Mister Paper accountable for any wagon that may occur on Mister Void while simultaneously giving him an in to the wagon if it does, in fact, develop. Also, it allows Mister Paper to potentially trap people who attempted to "follow" him on to the wagon on Mister Void. ^^
Finally, Mister Paper's explanation for voting Void is feeble and contradictory. Mister Void voted for a No Lynch, which allegedly does not help the game leave RVS...which spurred Mister Paper to leave RVS...by voting for Mister Void.
I do believe this is the correct direction for the Day.
Yeah there's no way this post comes from a town mindset. You're scum.
Please explain why you didn’t make a comment about the on-goings of the game Re: paperblade?
Because I haven't checked this game since I last posted. I'm hosting people each night of the World Series (GO SOX!), which is more work than one might believe it is (especially with no help). Days in which the WS is on I probably won't be posting much except in the afternoon for an hour or two.
I would vote for Blue, but I can't pin down why that post doesn't feel right to me.
@iRebel:
Since Cythare had issues with reading the question I think you might as well so here it is reworded: I looked at your previously completed games and noticed that no one had made a "No Lynch" vote in those games. Why did you not respond to my No Lynch vote in this game?
It's the mindset from which Blue's post comes from. I don't see any scenario where it comes from a town mindset.
Anyway, since you looked my completed games, you should have noticed I don't exactly partake much in RVS. If you're looking for specifics, I got nothing except it's RVS and I don't partake much in RVS.
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I'm liking Void, DC, and Rezombied (can I call you RZ?). Not liking blue electric and I'm not too fond of Idle right now (/barning DC on Idle).
Hey Cythare, what do you think of Blue Electric?
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I don't have any hard numbers on this, but I'm targeted more often than a black guy driving a beat-up sedan with a broken tail-light and no license plate, and Cy's well aware of that.
@iRebel: Fair enough Re: RVS. I didn't look too much beyond looking for a "No Lynch" vote from someone.
What about Blue's post is bothering you? I see that I didn't vote for Blue because I couldn't pin down what was bothering me. Since you seem to see the issue, but didn't bother explaining, would you mind explaining what you see?
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@cythare: blueelectric starts their games with jumping down peoples throats for what boils down to semantics often enough for it to be a null-tell to you?
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My problem with blue is:
1. Paper voted (basically) Void because of Void's nolynch vote.
2. Blue voted Void for exactly the same reason:
No fair! I want to vote Rhand like the mod did in the OP! Not fair! :armcross:
In lighter spirits: Vote: No Lynch
Unvote, Vote Void
3. Blue gets all over Paper for using lynch isntead of vote.
4. Paper justifies using lynch as a meta thing.
5. Blue justifies her focusing on Paper's vote of Void: (bolded emphasis is mine)
Why the focus on Paperblade at that point? What so grabbed your attention about them previous to your vote on Void, compared to other players?
It seemed completely out of place. There was no attempt to encourage discussion, no explanation beyond "because No Lynch", the mindset and emotions looked strange, and it felt like an opportunistic vote. Things like that are red flags to people who put stock into RVS analysis. ^^
What I see is Blue admitting to focusing on Paper for something that Blue also did.
@iRebel: Fair enough Re: RVS. I didn't look too much beyond looking for a "No Lynch" vote from someone.
What about Blue's post is bothering you? I see that I didn't vote for Blue because I couldn't pin down what was bothering me. Since you seem to see the issue, but didn't bother explaining, would you mind explaining what you see?
Yeah, sure.
Blue Electric takes the "Lynch Void" syntax and just runs laps with it. When I read the post, it struck me as if he's mentally asking himself "Why?" questions, and then self-answering them to get a conclusion.
Here, let me diagram what I mean, maybe it'll make a little more sense this way. My commentary will be in Sea Green.
I believe Mister Paper to be mafia-aligned (Why? ).
Firstly, Mister Paper did not actually vote for Mister Void (Why? Because). I am relatively certain Mister Paper did not do this accidentally (Why? Because), as he demonstrates a clear understanding of bits of Mafia Theory. This is suspect because it does not leave Mister Paper accountable for any wagon that may occur on Mister Void while simultaneously giving him an in to the wagon if it does, in fact, develop. Also, it allows Mister Paper to potentially trap people who attempted to "follow" him on to the wagon on Mister Void. ^^
Finally, Mister Paper's explanation for voting Void is feeble and contradictory. (Why? Because) Mister Void voted for a No Lynch, which allegedly does not help the game leave RVS...which spurred Mister Paper to leave RVS...by voting for Mister Void. (And this is logic just makes no sense to me)
I do believe this is the correct direction for the Day.
Basically, when I read blue's post, I see it as a forced attempt to make a logical point. He takes the point and asks a continuing set of questions that'll produce a desired conclusion -- why would town do that?
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I don't have any hard numbers on this, but I'm targeted more often than a black guy driving a beat-up sedan with a broken tail-light and no license plate, and Cy's well aware of that.
Technically both these sites don't care about vote/lynch and care more about the fact that there is a ## or bold text, but I use ##vote and lynch like 99% of the time. ## own, since it makes it easy to get votals with ctrl+f
I kind of skimmed the rules and since other sites tend to be more lenient with lynch syntax I didn't really think about it since it didn't mention it had to be exact. I was more looking for differences, the only two ones I saw was the cryptoclaiming thing and phase lengths (both of which I had clarified with the mod).
@Void: I usually don't think that stuff is reaction tests unless it's a cop guilty/dayvig. If I assume scummy behavior is a reaction test that can give scum an easy out I tend to overthink things and find no one scummy. That said I don't think the NL is bad enough to call for a serious vote outside of RVS, since I'd say most of the time I see it from an inexperienced player.
@Blue: There's nothing about the case to really respond to. You seem to think I'm cheerleading a case with a fake vote so that I can hop on the wagon later, but... then what's the point of the fake vote? Heck, what's the point in waiting to vote? You could say it removes suspicion from me later except anyone who's rereading will say "Hey that Paperblade guy started this wagon but didn't have the balls to put a vote down!" Or, like, whenever the mod puts down votals and I'm still listed as not voting? Or anyone who's reading now. It just seems like an overly paranoid conspiracy theory to me.
It comes from a place of confusion; I've never seen anything like a weird pseudo-not-actually-a-vote-but-trying-to-look-like-one before, and my questions were just trying to understand if that was intentional or not, or what was intentional. To put it simply, I wasn't suspicious of Paper, and to clarify here, I don't think tripping up on syntax is scummy, just confused as to how that came about.
Re: BlueElectric, I disagree with the bit I've bolded and underlined above; Paperblade's post may have obviously been been the first nonRVS post to you guys with more experience, but to me it just seemed like more RVS, ie, 'lol I'll vote against boring people'. I couldn't "very clearly" see BlueElectric's motivation until she explained it a bit more...
Firstly, Mister Paper did not actually vote for Mister Void. I am relatively certain Mister Paper did not do this accidentally, as he demonstrates a clear understanding of bits of Mafia Theory. This is suspect because it does not leave Mister Paper accountable for any wagon that may occur on Mister Void while simultaneously giving him an in to the wagon if it does, in fact, develop. Also, it allows Mister Paper to potentially trap people who attempted to "follow" him on to the wagon on Mister Void. ^^
Finally, Mister Paper's explanation for voting Void is feeble and contradictory. Mister Void voted for a No Lynch, which allegedly does not help the game leave RVS...which spurred Mister Paper to leave RVS...by voting for Mister Void.
I do believe this is the correct direction for the Day.
There is literally zero chance you actually believe that Paper didn't intend to vote.
I'm used to using lynch user or ##vote user for the syntax. That theory is pretty wild. And yes, I acknowledged when first questioned that technically that lets us leave RVS, but it's not in a way I'm fond of.
vote Void
For example, this has come up before here (unfortunately, searching for "Lynch" is not exactly easy so I can't prove this or show where, but I'm confident that within the past year there have been people who used this nomenclature... and it always draws votes but is immediately proven to be null), and I'm sure you've seen it.
While your explanation for the lack of vote seems valid, Mister Paper, I am still inclined to call bull. ^^ Firstly, referring to my theory as "pretty wild" is a handwave, and a poor attempt to discredit me at best. Secondly, why are you not fond of leaving RVS in that particular manner? What is your preferred manner, and how does it differ from the manner in which Mister Void left RVS? Finally, how does that indicate the color red in Mister Void's role PM?
Most of these questions are useless. I don't think we learn anything by knowing what Paper's "preferred method" for leaving RVS is. What do you think that does for us?
This is of course not to mention that your premise is faulty; i.e., paperblade actually did vote.
You also know exactly why voting a non-player in RVS is bad. Don't you remember when we used our Girl Power™ to bring somebody to L-2 off of a bad RVS vote? What's different here?
Void's post looks questionable, though given his experience I buy that he was reaction baiting with it. For Paperblade, who by the fact that he used the Lynch syntax indicates that he's unfamiliar with our playerbase, a vote there fits.
tl;dr: you're shoveling crap and I want to know why.
I'm going to wait to see more from Blue Electric because I think I know who she is and this isn't nearly enough content to get a strong read.
oh wow
Look at you avoiding doing any analysis.
More tomorrow; must move on to the other game. Also, I'll say this now: don't expect more than one post (or period of posts) every other day or so out of me.
I don't have any hard numbers on this, but I'm targeted more often than a black guy driving a beat-up sedan with a broken tail-light and no license plate, and Cy's well aware of that.
Please explain why you didn’t make a comment about the on-goings of the game Re: paperblade?
I read your previously completed games and noticed that in none of them no one had voted for a No Lynch and now that someone has you ignored it. Would you mind giving me a reason why?
Specifically for TK-421: While I understand wanting to be a part of RVS that does not mean that you get to just ignore the on-goings of the game. Please explain why you didn’t take more time in that post to comment on anything else.
Because it was my RVS post. And I'm capricious. Also, I made it during my shift at work. Right after that, I ran the night audit, eat lunch, had to deal with a guest breaking a toilet tank (how the crap do you do that?!), and make breakfast. Lucky for you, tonight is my night off, so I can give you a nice big post (with some heaps of narcissism and self-righteousness!)
Finally, you confuse reserving oneself and ignoring. I watched the ongoings. But that was my first post, and as Celestia as my witness, it was going to be pure RVS.
We don't leave RVS until I get a vote. I've had it with people assuming we can just leave RVS because I work a night shift.
Vote IdleMuse for not being an Avenger.
Look at all of these actual posts to respond to!
:slowclap: Do you love plankton too?
Anyway, regarding Paperblade: While the syntax is odd, I don't believe that to be a way of voting while not voting (an FOS would have been much easier). However, the way paper does just jump on Void looks incredibly bad, and blue's barning and then trying to pass it off as reaction baiting looks worse. Here's what bothers me most:
Firstly, Mister Paper did not actually vote for Mister Void.
Finally, Mister Paper's explanation for voting Void
Paperblade doesn't actually explain the whole syntax thing until half an hour after that post. So Blue knew Paper was trying to vote, but twisting it to make it look bad. I still don't like Paper, but Blue's more visible right now.
Vote: BlueElectric
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1. Bold your votes and unvotes please. They should look like this: Vote: Rhand
2. Absolutely no crypto-claiming. PM me if you ever are in doubt about the legality of a post.
3. Any votes or unvotes not in bold will not be counted.
4. Do not communicate via PM/QT at night or day unless your role PM says otherwise.
5. Do not quote PMs or I will modkill you. Any use of PM-style information may result in the same. If unsure, ask first. Also do not request someone to quote their PM.
6. You may vote No lynch, and a majority of these votes will end the day without a death.
7. Please do not edit or delete your posts no matter how stupid a mistake you made. This will get you modkilled. This is your only warning. (I know, the irony is delicious)
8. Once you are dead you are allowed ONE "Bah - go town/mafia post". It must not contain game related information.
9. Even after you are dead, please refrain from discussing the game or your role with anyone, even other players who have also been eliminated. If you have any questions about this rule, please ask.
10. If you anticipate being unavailable for more than a 72-hour period, please post a notice to that effect in the thread. Else, you may be prodded or replaced.
11. If you have a night choice to make, it is due by the posted deadline. I will not wait for you – if you do not submit a choice to me, tough! No choice will be made.
12. Lynches will require a simple majority of votes. Once a player has reached the necessary majority, his pleas are useless and any attempts to unvote will go unheeded. In the event of a deadline, there will be a No Lynch. In the event of a tie, the player who reached that threshold first will be lynched.
13. If you are requesting a mod prod or vote count, please "@EtR:" your request so that I can see it more clearly.
14. I want this game to keep moving so I expect everyone to post at least once every three days at a bare minimum and if you don't, you may be replaced or modkilled.
15. Do not use the forum's "Thank Post" feature.
16. I reserve the right to change the rules at any time.
17. HAVE FUN!
18. Lastly and most importantly: respect me and the rest of the players. The subject matter allows for some fun and flexibility but forum rules still apply and I expect underlying civility at all times.
Stolen from Seppel
1. Immunities
2. Controlling another player's actions
3. First strike non-killing actions
4. Gaining actions
5. Losing actions
6. Redirecting / replacement effects
7. Roleblocking
8. Protecting
9. Rescuing / Reviving
10. Sending items or messages
11. First strike killing actions
12. Killing actions
13. Gathering information
14. Anything else
ROLE RELATED RULES:
1. The Town Win-Condition is: "You win when all non-town players are dead."
2. You cannot flavor game. The Mafia team may have false claims. Mass-claim at your own risk.
3. Due to the source flavor, kill flavor may not be consistent even if the reason for player death is the same.
4. The Mafia team may quote their PMs in the Mafia QuickTopic. This is the only case PM quoting is allowed.
5. Full Role PMs will be revealed upon death unless they aren't.
6. Do not discuss PM formatting. PMs are all formatted the same. Paraphrased flavor is allowed.
7. The information contained in your role PM is true.
EtR, you are HypnoToad, Neutral Mind Controller.
Flavor Flavor Flavor
Abilities:
You may Control everyone and have them bow down to you
You may vote.
Gender: Unknown
Species: Toad
Planet: HypnoToad hails from the gr...ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD
Still in the Crew:
1.
iRebel*2.
Guardman3.
TK-4214. FIGHTING
5. Idle Muse **
6.
Blue Electric*7.
AsenionShockwave07*8. Void
9. Rezombied *
10.
Cythare11.
Paperblade * Rhand12. DCIII
(Bold is confirmed; * denotes a prod)
Dead:
1. TK-421 - Morbo the Annihilator Neutral Human Hating Hit Man
2. Rhand - Kif Kroker, Vanilla Town
3. Guardman - Nibbler, Town Tracker
4. BlueElectric - Philip J Fry, Town Limited Back-Up
5. Cythare - Mom, Mafia Doctor
6. Shockwave07 - Zoidberg, Town Delayer
7. iRebel - Professor Farnsworth, Town Delivery Assigner and Doctor
Filling out an Application:
1.
Shockwave072. Sir Karn
3. Seppel
4. Hunger
5. RhandCurrent V/LA Status:
DCIII V/LA for Baby Time
Vote Counts:
1.1 Shots fired on 7-11
1.2 Robo-puppy is a jerk
1.3 Can I keep him?
1.4 All you need is love
2.1 The Walking Dead
2.2 Don't Dead Open Inside
3.1 Bloody Mary, Bloody Mary, Bloody Mary
Mod Notes:
Activity Level
Idle Muse Prodded
Rezombied and PaperBlade Prodded
Seeking replacement for PaperBlade
Rhand replaces PaperBladeSeeking replacement for Asenion
Lynch/Day Open Scenes:
1. Poor Morbo
2. I don't have a title for this one
3. Void Darkly Dreams of Death
4. Isn't he cute?
5. The Why of Fry (And Nibbler)
6. Read the fine Print.
7. Fear and Loathing in New New York
8. Professor X
"Hey, youse guyse. You know that there is a plan out there to take over Planet Express right? I'm only tellin youse as a professional courtesy."
"Well, that's not good news at all, is it?" The professor looked quite nervous as he slid down his chair to reach the limited protection of the table.
"Not for you. Apparently someone really wants Planet Express for their own. And hey, it'd be a good front operation. Am I right?" Donbot looked around the office. "Yeah, I could make this a real nice mood room."
"Well you can't have it. Sweet Lion of Zion, if you hadn't interrupted I could have finished my new plan to raise our profits to an all time high!" Hermes was clearly becoming agitated. "Get out of the way you stupid squid." Dr. Zoidberg pulled his chair in closer to avoid Hermes in coming slap. It didn't work.
"Hey, why would you hit that guy? He didn't do nothin to you." Donbot rested his hand on Zoidberg's shoulder. "In fact, I'm going to make sure you don't do that again."
Before Hermes could react, his hand and his Manwich were gone. "My manwich! My hand!" Two more shots followed. "Oof. Tell LeBarbara I wanted a divorce. She always had eyes for Barbados Slim anyway. And Dwight can have my calculator." And just that quick, Hermes is gone.
"So, anybody else want to be a dummy?" Donbot looked each member of Planet Express square in the eye. "Good, then clean up this mess. It's making my new offi..." The power left Donbot before he could complete his sentence. As he crumpled to the ground Bender stood behind him with a handful of wires.
"He should have upgraded to the new sensor package that they have in all the Buicks. He would've seen that coming." Bender pulled Donbot's wallet out. "Look there's a note in here and it isn't a C-note."
"Looks like he wasn't kidding about someone trying to take over Planet Express. And now we don't have anyone to explain Hermes plan to save the business." Fry was visibly upset.
"I can explain it to everyone."
"Shut up, Zoidberg. Do you even know how to read?"
"We've got to get rid of these bodies and find out who is behind this." Leela picked up Hermes leg and started dragging him to a corner.
"Why wouldn't we just go to the police?" Fry was still shaken. "They should be able to help."
"Because I built this company from the ground up. I won't let it be taken over that easily." The Professor stood up. "We're going to make a delivery, straight to Hell 9B... And then we're going to figure what to do with these bodies."
Hermes Town Plot Device has died.
Donbot Mafia Plot Device has died.
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Town Win % = 75%
Mafia Win % = 75%
Overall Win % = 75%
Completed Game Log
2014: Best Mafia Performance (Group)
2014: Most Improved Player
2014: Best Town Player
2014: Best Overall Player
we girls have got to stick together.
(Go Bruins!)
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My cube: http://cubetutor.com/viewcube/9981
Go Bruins!
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In lighter spirits: Vote: No Lynch
But but Handzus looks so happy with the cup. How can you deny him his Slovakian happiness?
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It is obviously jetpack hockey.
Unvote
Vote Idle Muse for not knowing his types of hockey.
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Paperblade - why does Void's NL vote warrant yours?
Void - why are you trying to break my (and quite possibly iRebel's) brain?
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Mafia Win % = 75%
Overall Win % = 75%
Completed Game Log
2014: Best Mafia Performance (Group)
2014: Most Improved Player
2014: Best Town Player
2014: Best Overall Player
Vote Miss FIGHTING
Agreed. ^^
Unvote, Vote Void
RVS no lynch vote doesn't do anything to get you out of RVS except make the person making that vote look bad
I believe Mister Paper to be mafia-aligned.
Firstly, Mister Paper did not actually vote for Mister Void. I am relatively certain Mister Paper did not do this accidentally, as he demonstrates a clear understanding of bits of Mafia Theory. This is suspect because it does not leave Mister Paper accountable for any wagon that may occur on Mister Void while simultaneously giving him an in to the wagon if it does, in fact, develop. Also, it allows Mister Paper to potentially trap people who attempted to "follow" him on to the wagon on Mister Void. ^^
Finally, Mister Paper's explanation for voting Void is feeble and contradictory. Mister Void voted for a No Lynch, which allegedly does not help the game leave RVS...which spurred Mister Paper to leave RVS...by voting for Mister Void.
I do believe this is the correct direction for the Day.
What is 'NL vote'?
vote Void
Vote IdleMuse for not being an Avenger.
Mafia Stats
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You also voted for Void without offering an explanation prior to switching your vote to Paper. What was your thought process there?
Town Win % = 75%
Mafia Win % = 75%
Overall Win % = 75%
Completed Game Log
2014: Best Mafia Performance (Group)
2014: Most Improved Player
2014: Best Town Player
2014: Best Overall Player
Town Win % = 75%
Mafia Win % = 75%
Overall Win % = 75%
Completed Game Log
2014: Best Mafia Performance (Group)
2014: Most Improved Player
2014: Best Town Player
2014: Best Overall Player
My thought process was, "Vote for Mister Void and see what Mister Paper does, as well as how Mister Void reacts."
However, upon further consideration, I found more and more wrong with the manner in which Mister Paper approached the Mister Void wagon. ^^ As such, I did not wish to miss an opportunity to shift the momentum on to Mister Paper, though ultimately I would have much preferred to see what else would have fallen out of the tree in the process.
It seemed completely out of place. There was no attempt to encourage discussion, no explanation beyond "because No Lynch", the mindset and emotions looked strange, and it felt like an opportunistic vote. Things like that are red flags to people who put stock into RVS analysis. ^^
@paperblade:
I was going to ask for your thought process on this, but Blue got that out of you for me.
Lynch/Vote issue is something that I can accept. Therefore I am counting this as a vote against me. So now we look into the reasoning:
Did it cross your mind that I could have been baiting for reactions? Doesn’t seem like it based on this response.
While the No Lynch vote may put me in a small negative light it has also helped me gain a lot of reads.
With those in mind, why do you believe that I look bad for the No Lynch vote?
@Blue:
I assume you’re voting me for the same reason that paperblade voted me for, correct?
This post is debatable because of paperblade’s reasoning for the “lynch Void” comment. One thing I found odd is that I knew what paperblade was attempting to do; yet, Blue did not, but was willing to accept the reasoning in a later post, but didn’t for what I chalk down to as her gut. Something about that does not feel right to me.
As for the jump that Blue made from myself to paperblade; this may be seen many ways. The two ways that are sticking out in my head are: It could be an opportunistic jump for bad play; it could be seen as a Scum buddy trying to bus.
For right now, I have Blue leaning Scum for this post.
It’s probably because the word “opportunity” is in the sentence, but the bolded reads like Scum wording it towards a Town member.
@DCIII:
It was a good idea for this game and you know it. I do have you leaning Town based on your response.
You’re Post #28: Only cements my leaning Town read on you more. Good catch.
@rezombied:
Rapid firing posts indicate a nervous player. How many completed games do you have?
@iRebel, Idle Muse, Cythare, TK-421:
Please explain why you didn’t make a comment about the on-goings of the game Re: paperblade?
I read your previously completed games and noticed that in none of them no one had voted for a No Lynch and now that someone has you ignored it. Would you mind giving me a reason why?
Specifically for TK-421: While I understand wanting to be a part of RVS that does not mean that you get to just ignore the on-goings of the game. Please explain why you didn’t take more time in that post to comment on anything else.
Just one. Why did you call BlueElectric scummy and then leave your vote on NoLynch?
When would I have done that? I posted a couple minutes after Paperblade then left. At the time, I didn't register anything out of the ordinary.
Also, can you reword your second question here? There appear to be a lot of double negatives and I'm not sure what you're actually trying to get at.
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Strongest read of the game right now for me is a Town Void.
@Blue - when you placed your vote on Void first, why would that trigger a reaction from Paper since he already had his vote on Void?
Also, do you really think that Paper was intentionally faking a vote by using lynch vs. vote? His intent to vote for Void was clear. His reasoning for voting for Void's NL vote seems like enough of a place to start the line of questioning without reaching for more to add to the case.
This post seems very off to me.
@Idle - I see where you say you don't see any scum reasoning for the pseudo-vote, so then why say that you aren't convinced that he is used to the lynch syntax and press the issue by asking him where it's common? If there isn't a scum reason to do it, why does it matter? It looks like you're trying to throw suspicion on Paper without committing to thinking his behavior is scummy.
Also - you ask what "so grabbed" Blue's attention about PaperBlade compared to other players when it was very clearly the fact that he cast the first real vote of the game. This after basically barning her suspicion that he got tripped up with the syntax.
This post doesn't appear to come from any real place of curiosity but, rather, more be an attempt to cast suspicion on other players.
Vote: Idle Muse
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Mafia Win % = 75%
Overall Win % = 75%
Completed Game Log
2014: Best Mafia Performance (Group)
2014: Most Improved Player
2014: Best Town Player
2014: Best Overall Player
Town Win % = 75%
Mafia Win % = 75%
Overall Win % = 75%
Completed Game Log
2014: Best Mafia Performance (Group)
2014: Most Improved Player
2014: Best Town Player
2014: Best Overall Player
I would vote for Blue, but I can't pin down why that post doesn't feel right to me.
@rezombied:
More reaction baiting. You kind of killed it though...
@Cythare:
That second question was meant for iRebel. It was a mistake on behalf.
@iRebel:
Since Cythare had issues with reading the question I think you might as well so here it is reworded: I looked at your previously completed games and noticed that no one had made a "No Lynch" vote in those games. Why did you not respond to my No Lynch vote in this game?
I see what you did there, lol.
Yeah there's no way this post comes from a town mindset. You're scum.
Unvote; Vote: Blue Electric
Because I haven't checked this game since I last posted. I'm hosting people each night of the World Series (GO SOX!), which is more work than one might believe it is (especially with no help). Days in which the WS is on I probably won't be posting much except in the afternoon for an hour or two.
It's the mindset from which Blue's post comes from. I don't see any scenario where it comes from a town mindset.
Anyway, since you looked my completed games, you should have noticed I don't exactly partake much in RVS. If you're looking for specifics, I got nothing except it's RVS and I don't partake much in RVS.
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I'm liking Void, DC, and Rezombied (can I call you RZ?). Not liking blue electric and I'm not too fond of Idle right now (/barning DC on Idle).
Hey Cythare, what do you think of Blue Electric?
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I'm going to wait to see more from Blue Electric because I think I know who she is and this isn't nearly enough content to get a strong read.
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What about Blue's post is bothering you? I see that I didn't vote for Blue because I couldn't pin down what was bothering me. Since you seem to see the issue, but didn't bother explaining, would you mind explaining what you see?
What reactions were you expecting?
Rez if you must :).
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@cythare: blueelectric starts their games with jumping down peoples throats for what boils down to semantics often enough for it to be a null-tell to you?
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My problem with blue is:
1. Paper voted (basically) Void because of Void's nolynch vote.
2. Blue voted Void for exactly the same reason:
3. Blue gets all over Paper for using lynch isntead of vote.
4. Paper justifies using lynch as a meta thing.
5. Blue justifies her focusing on Paper's vote of Void: (bolded emphasis is mine)
What I see is Blue admitting to focusing on Paper for something that Blue also did.
Vote: BlueElectric
Yeah, sure.
Blue Electric takes the "Lynch Void" syntax and just runs laps with it. When I read the post, it struck me as if he's mentally asking himself "Why?" questions, and then self-answering them to get a conclusion.
Here, let me diagram what I mean, maybe it'll make a little more sense this way. My commentary will be in Sea Green.
Basically, when I read blue's post, I see it as a forced attempt to make a logical point. He takes the point and asks a continuing set of questions that'll produce a desired conclusion -- why would town do that?
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http://serenesforest.net/forums/index.php?showforum=54
Place that uses bold and has lynch as standard:
http://www.smogon.com/forums/forums/circus-maximus.78/
Technically both these sites don't care about vote/lynch and care more about the fact that there is a ## or bold text, but I use ##vote and lynch like 99% of the time. ## own, since it makes it easy to get votals with ctrl+f
I kind of skimmed the rules and since other sites tend to be more lenient with lynch syntax I didn't really think about it since it didn't mention it had to be exact. I was more looking for differences, the only two ones I saw was the cryptoclaiming thing and phase lengths (both of which I had clarified with the mod).
@Void: I usually don't think that stuff is reaction tests unless it's a cop guilty/dayvig. If I assume scummy behavior is a reaction test that can give scum an easy out I tend to overthink things and find no one scummy. That said I don't think the NL is bad enough to call for a serious vote outside of RVS, since I'd say most of the time I see it from an inexperienced player.
@Blue: There's nothing about the case to really respond to. You seem to think I'm cheerleading a case with a fake vote so that I can hop on the wagon later, but... then what's the point of the fake vote? Heck, what's the point in waiting to vote? You could say it removes suspicion from me later except anyone who's rereading will say "Hey that Paperblade guy started this wagon but didn't have the balls to put a vote down!" Or, like, whenever the mod puts down votals and I'm still listed as not voting? Or anyone who's reading now. It just seems like an overly paranoid conspiracy theory to me.
Unvote, Vote BlueElectric
Mine wasn't a vote, did you mean nonRVS post?
Either way, I believe your response. I also like how this didn't discourage you from hunting elsewhere with your next post.
Unvote.
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Mafia Win % = 75%
Overall Win % = 75%
Completed Game Log
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2014: Most Improved Player
2014: Best Town Player
2014: Best Overall Player
For example, this has come up before here (unfortunately, searching for "Lynch" is not exactly easy so I can't prove this or show where, but I'm confident that within the past year there have been people who used this nomenclature... and it always draws votes but is immediately proven to be null), and I'm sure you've seen it.
Most of these questions are useless. I don't think we learn anything by knowing what Paper's "preferred method" for leaving RVS is. What do you think that does for us?
This is of course not to mention that your premise is faulty; i.e., paperblade actually did vote.
You also know exactly why voting a non-player in RVS is bad. Don't you remember when we used our Girl Power™ to bring somebody to L-2 off of a bad RVS vote? What's different here?
Void's post looks questionable, though given his experience I buy that he was reaction baiting with it. For Paperblade, who by the fact that he used the Lynch syntax indicates that he's unfamiliar with our playerbase, a vote there fits.
tl;dr: you're shoveling crap and I want to know why.
confirm vote
Look at all of these actual posts to respond to!
oh wow
Look at you avoiding doing any analysis.
More tomorrow; must move on to the other game. Also, I'll say this now: don't expect more than one post (or period of posts) every other day or so out of me.
So you're implying you think Blue Electric is a gimmick, then?
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Because it was my RVS post. And I'm capricious. Also, I made it during my shift at work. Right after that, I ran the night audit, eat lunch, had to deal with a guest breaking a toilet tank (how the crap do you do that?!), and make breakfast. Lucky for you, tonight is my night off, so I can give you a nice big post (with some heaps of narcissism and self-righteousness!)
Finally, you confuse reserving oneself and ignoring. I watched the ongoings. But that was my first post, and as Celestia as my witness, it was going to be pure RVS.
:slowclap: Do you love plankton too?
Anyway, regarding Paperblade: While the syntax is odd, I don't believe that to be a way of voting while not voting (an FOS would have been much easier). However, the way paper does just jump on Void looks incredibly bad, and blue's barning and then trying to pass it off as reaction baiting looks worse. Here's what bothers me most:
Paperblade doesn't actually explain the whole syntax thing until half an hour after that post. So Blue knew Paper was trying to vote, but twisting it to make it look bad. I still don't like Paper, but Blue's more visible right now.
Vote: BlueElectric
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Kill shot: BB
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Mafia Stats
Kill shot: BB
Issue with my shooting? Please visit my helpdesk and help me learn to aim!
TK - It's not just that Void voted NL in RVS that makes me think he's town. But I can't reference the context.
So I'm being nothing but vague this post, I suppose. Looking forward to the catch up post.
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Mafia Win % = 75%
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Completed Game Log
2014: Best Mafia Performance (Group)
2014: Most Improved Player
2014: Best Town Player
2014: Best Overall Player