These NK targets are extremely questionable. First DRey, basically locking AI in as scum, and now RR. Killing RR just makes zero sense. It confirms Taredas entirely as town. Why wouldn't the scum just kill him, and let us decide what this meant for Megiddo?(I guess DRey could have just gotten lucky on his bodyguard choice)
Maybe this implicates FB as scum, meaning that he was just lying to us about his burnout and doesn't want to be forced to use it?
I really don't get it. It feels like this choice means that Axel cannot be scum, because he would have to know how much he was PoEing himself by killing RR, but maybe we're just getting WIFOMed?
PRP's post here doesn't inspire much confidence in me.
And I don't know how people think I could be scum. I wouldn't kill Megiddo if I were scum, nor would AI have claimed the same passive ability as me. Saying that I've 'been on every wagon' doesn't mean anything. Everyone has been on every wagon.
I don't really know what to make of anything. I trust Zionite and Iso, and that's basically it. And one of PRP/AE/Axel almost has to be scum. And I don't think it's AE.
* PopeRonPaul crosses Fadeblue off the list of players that Cyan has not called scum.
These NK targets are extremely questionable. First DRey, basically locking AI in as scum, and now RR. Killing RR just makes zero sense. It confirms Taredas entirely as town. Why wouldn't the scum just kill him, and let us decide what this meant for Megiddo?(I guess DRey could have just gotten lucky on his bodyguard choice)
Maybe this implicates FB as scum, meaning that he was just lying to us about his burnout and doesn't want to be forced to use it?
I really don't get it. It feels like this choice means that Axel cannot be scum, because he would have to know how much he was PoEing himself by killing RR, but maybe we're just getting WIFOMed?
PRP's post here doesn't inspire much confidence in me.
And I don't know how people think I could be scum. I wouldn't kill Megiddo if I were scum, nor would AI have claimed the same passive ability as me. Saying that I've 'been on every wagon' doesn't mean anything. Everyone has been on every wagon.
I don't really know what to make of anything. I trust Zionite and Iso, and that's basically it. And one of PRP/AE/Axel almost has to be scum. And I don't think it's AE.
Taredas is going to have a field day with that post.
I know what a bodyguard does. Good lord. It still wouldn't make sense for the scum to have just outright killed DRey when that would be almost guarantee AI getting lynched.
But hey, it's good of you to provide us insight into why the scum did what they did.
I really don't see how you could come to the definite conclusion to the contrary.
How do you explain away the blatant distancing from TMCT?
I don't see it. It could be distancing, but it isn't as cut-and-dry as you make it seem. He could have also been distancing from you or Iso by the same post, but that isn't true, is it?
I really don't see how you could come to the definite conclusion to the contrary.
This is a pretty misleading rebuttal. I understand thinking that AI is town, but I don't think that you can be particularly certain of this. Given a complete lack of inside knowledge of the situation, I don't see how you can appear more certain that AI is town than others do that he is scum. But you are at least presenting yourself like you do, which is odd. I have played tons of games with AI, and literally just completed a game as his scumbuddy, and I think he is town, but I don't feel nearly as confident about this as you are acting like. So..what gives? Why are you so convinced that he is town?
@PRP: I think that you are making too much of that, much like Zionite is making too much of the fact that you got RBed on a night when there was no kill. Are you really arguing that a scum isn't capable of faking distancing?
AI's responses to the PRP block were contrary to popular opinion. Why would a scum support a wagon that wasn't going to happen? What does scumAI have to gain from supporting PRP's lynch when it's not going to earn him any brownie points with the other players?
Why would a scumAI refuse to claim a secondary ability, knowing it's not going to satisfy everyone? Scum want to defuse their wagon, not make it worse.
I've read AI as town throughout the entire game thus far, and I have yet to see any evidence hard enough to sway that read.
I really don't see how you could come to the definite conclusion to the contrary.
How do you explain away the blatant distancing from TMCT?
I don't see it. It could be distancing, but it isn't as cut-and-dry as you make it seem. He could have also been distancing from you or Iso by the same post, but that isn't true, is it?
I really don't see how you could come to the definite conclusion to the contrary.
This is a pretty misleading rebuttal. I understand thinking that AI is town, but I don't think that you can be particularly certain of this. Given a complete lack of inside knowledge of the situation, I don't see how you can appear more certain that AI is town than others do that he is scum. But you are at least presenting yourself like you do, which is odd. I have played tons of games with AI, and literally just completed a game as his scumbuddy, and I think he is town, but I don't feel nearly as confident about this as you are acting like. So..what gives? Why are you so convinced that he is town?
@PRP: I think that you are making too much of that, much like Zionite is making too much of the fact that you got RBed on a night when there was no kill. Are you really arguing that a scum isn't capable of faking distancing?
AI's responses to the PRP block were contrary to popular opinion. Why would a scum support a wagon that wasn't going to happen? What does scumAI have to gain from supporting PRP's lynch when it's not going to earn him any brownie points with the other players?
Why would a scumAI refuse to claim a secondary ability, knowing it's not going to satisfy everyone? Scum want to defuse their wagon, not make it worse.
I've read AI as town throughout the entire game thus far, and I have yet to see any evidence hard enough to sway that read.
I know what a bodyguard does. Good lord. It still wouldn't make sense for the scum to have just outright killed DRey when that would be almost guarantee AI getting lynched.
But hey, it's good of you to provide us insight into why the scum did what they did.
PFFFFFT. You post that pile of BS WIFOM above, and you have the balls to come at me with that?
All I did was refute the injection of venomous WIFOM in the post of yours that I referred to as Taredas-catnip.
You know very bloody well that the reason I think DRey died was probably from using his role to protect someone. And I don't know why you're even questioning the reasoning for them killing MegiRoy. A claimed cop who would have been ready with another investigation the following Day?
These explanations are so simple and obvious that I cannot believe you, as the experienced mafia player you are, failed to mention them in your massive pile of wifom.
Quick, use WIFOM against me incorrectly a few more times!
Also, I specifically said in the post that you initially quoted that DRey could have just gotten lucky on his bodyguard choice. So..you just felt compelled to point out something that I had already mentioned and try to use it as a point against me?
And Megiddo was an extremely viable mislynch candidate, and it's doubtful that he would get his next burnout the same night that FB targeted him. Killing him was a laughably bad choice on the scum's part.
Taredas' link with the tells from mafiascum wiki made me change my mind about AI after reading the "buddying" tell, where a scum will buddy a town to earn cred with said town. The flip solidified that as true. I've been subject to this tell several times in the past and am only just now figuring out how to tell the signs.
Tell you what PRP; you go and find a scum game of mine where I hardcore defend a scum buddy to stall his lynch, and I'll vote myself. Because it doesn't happen. If anything, AI being scum further confirms me as town.
Tell you what PRP; you go and find a scum game of mine where I hardcore defend a scum buddy to stall his lynch, and I'll vote myself. Because it doesn't happen. If anything, AI being scum further confirms me as town.
Yeah, I'm not going to do that. I don't place much stock in meta.
And, since you brought up Taredas' link, I think the "Chainsaw Defence" tell most certainly applies to you attacking me rather than defending AI as I questioned you on him. The stalling tell probably also applies, though that's a bit weaker than the Chainsaw.
For Cyan, the tell I was referring to was the "Well, that sucks" tell.
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You don't place much stock in meta? Haven't you tried to use meta against me repeatedly in this game?
Sure, I've made the odd reference, but my main reasons for thinking you scum are the fact that you've been all over the place, on every wagon ever, and your kind of half miller claim that seems to have done well at making sure you weren't investigated, while still not being damning enough to get you killed.
At the same time, I've also mentioned many times your reliance upon meta. I remember you as a shrewd analyst, but you're trying to cut into the over cooked steak that is this game using your metaspoon, rather than doing any real knife-and-fork analysis.
And yeah, it seems off to me, based on the games I've played with you before.
But meta is far from the only reason I think you're scum. As I said, I don't put much stock in it.
Quick question: What if RobRoy was killed because Taredas is a Godfather?
I think that's about as likely as you nightkilling a scumbuddy.
I sincerely doubt that there would be a godfather in a game where the only alignment investigation role is a flavour/one-shot alignment cop, and some monstrosity of a watcher/tracker/half-doc role.
I'm really curious as to when I was ever a 'shrewd analyst'.
And I love how you use meta to attack me, while simultaneously saying that meta isn't that relevant(thereby mitigating my ability to use it in self-defense, like pointing out that I'm always all over the place as town).
Meta is part of mafia. Period, The End. If you refuse to use it, then you choose to play the game without access to one of the primary tools of the game. That is your problem.
And my kind of miller claim was just that. I didn't know if I was a Miller or not. Apparently I was not. If I were going to claim Miller as scum, *especially* as scum that is immune to physical NKs, clearly I would have claimed exactly Miller. Claiming Miller was never going to 'get me killed'. When was the last time that you saw a Miller actually die? Cantrip claimed Miller in Survival Horror and was never, ever in danger of being Vigged. Miller is a role that has completely been 'figured out', and really doesn't need to be used in the game of mafia anymore. But I digress.
Quick question: What if RobRoy was killed because Taredas is a Godfather?
I think that's about as likely as you nightkilling a scumbuddy.
I sincerely doubt that there would be a godfather in a game where the only alignment investigation role is a flavour/one-shot alignment cop, and some monstrosity of a watcher/tracker/half-doc role.
Just like there was both a member of the scumteam who claimed to be immune to physical kills when I only have 1 shot...which, oh, by the way, apparently means I killed my buddy on Night 1. Does not mesh.
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I'm pretty sure that I'm a Miller. My role PM has some flavor clues that made me feel like this might be the case, and when I asked DYH, he said that he can't confirm or deny whether or not it's true.
Why are you claiming if you're not sure?
Why are you claiming that you're not sure?
Still pretty sure this is an indicator that Cyan is town.
Because I am probably a miller, but am not sure(it doesn't specifically state in my role PM than I am, but the flavor hints toward it heavily, and and it's better information to provide at the outset of the game(even if you're not entirely sure) than to try to provide after getting investigated.
Okay.
If you think it's a gambit, but that I chose to be 'unsure' for some inexplicable reason, then, I don't know what to tell you.
The only thing that comes to mind is that you're actually a godfather that's trying to draw an investigation somehow, but that makes little sense. Why there would be a miller that's left to flavorgaming to find it out is beyond me. That seems bastardly -- to me it's just as likely that you're a Town Non-Miller than scum. Following that...
But I don't think Cyan would pull this gambit as scum; his scum game is much more calculated and long-term. See the recently completed Survival Horror for an example. I'm willing to trust Cyan until he gives me reason not to.
...AI is probably right here. Cyan is too levelheaded to do this in his first post, let alone the first post of the game. Even the risk of being CC'd by a real miller would be too much for scum-Cyan.
I think this makes Cyan town. Plus the whole "Armored claim" thing.
The only thing that comes to mind is that you're actually a godfather that's trying to draw an investigation somehow, but that makes little sense. Why there would be a miller that's left to flavorgaming to find it out is beyond me. That seems bastardly -- to me it's just as likely that you're a Town Non-Miller than scum. Following that...
What? Millers are just not investigated period because the result is a foregone conclusion. Why would a godfather masquerade as a miller? Furthermore, why do you consider the possibility of Cyan being a town non-miller being as likely as Cyan being scum? Why would a townie ever falsely claim to be a miller?
The opposite of this post is true re: cyans scum game.
Cite examples, please.
Though this makes me a little more skeptical of that possibility. He doesn't really engage kpaca here but makes a half-hearted attempt to discredit kpaca RE: Cyan.
Yeah, TMCT's AE vote reads like scum-on-town. I guess I can drop my suspicion of AE for now.
Also, Axelrod's first post in the game was horrible.
TownCyan would falsely claim to be a miller because...... he doesn't know if he is one or not.
You're trying to apply the general case to mudsling on TMCT while ignoring that his line of thought makes sense in this specific case.
A role that is hinted to be a miller but isn't one makes absolutely no sense.
A role that is hinted to be a miller and actually is one makes perfect sense.
I am going to assume that Cyan is a miller and everyone else should as well. He's not scum trying to bait an investigation (especially not as a godfather) because that is just terrible on so many levels and Cyan is not a terrible player. Full stop.
I've been scum with cyan a couple times, have discussed mafia theory with him back in the day, been a clanmate with him, called him on his doctor gambit successfully in Indiana Jones mafia (example two :hifive:), and consider myself a rather cerebral and gambity scum player (surely you can agree to this), and as such I'm confidant in my suspicions of cyan.
Cyan actually was the (mafia) doctor in Indy.
I guess you're entitled to your opinion, but I still think that Cyan's recent meta points to him being cautious as scum as opposed to reckless as you seem to believe. You're allowed to disagree, but I don't foresee myself lending my vote to your cause.
Well as long as you're lending to my Iso cause I think we'll be alright.
This exchange feels pretty genuine.
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I'm gonna leave it at that for the time being, as I need to get some sleep.
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It seems really, really unlikely that the Mod would bother including a Godfather in a game where the only alignment investigation is a single burnout.
Also, PRP. Why would the scum have 2 Armored roles when the town has a single vig shot ever? Unless you're arguing that AI, as my scumbuddy, claimed an ability that was incredibly likely to end up getting him lynched, while gaining him nothing. And please don't call this WIFOM. There is WIFOM, and there is '**** that just doesn't make sense'. This is squarely in the latter camp.
Fade: Claim night action, please. Also, if you would please explain to the crowd what you thought I was referencing with my "Werewolf #2" reference yesterDay - I will explain what *I* meant after you do so.
I assumed your "Werewolf #2" reference was about Voxx choosing the non-obvious target as Jailer (i.e. it was assumed that he would jail Arian, and the scum fully believed that as well). I also thought about targeting Zionite, and acknowledged your reference to make that look like it was a possibility, but with AI flipping scum I'm pretty sure Zionite is scum too.
Obviously it was risky and now means that I can't clear myself, but the upside of another potential cop inspection looked a lot better than giving scum their roleblocking/redirecting back.
Tell you what PRP; you go and find a scum game of mine where I hardcore defend a scum buddy to stall his lynch, and I'll vote myself. Because it doesn't happen. If anything, AI being scum further confirms me as town.
In the first, you denied that you were backing AI hard, yet in the second (after being called out on it) you admit that you did (and then try to say that it makes you town). Which is it?
I assumed your "Werewolf #2" reference was about Voxx choosing the non-obvious target as Jailer (i.e. it was assumed that he would jail Arian, and the scum fully believed that as well). I also thought about targeting Zionite, and acknowledged your reference to make that look like it was a possibility, but with AI flipping scum I'm pretty sure Zionite is scum too.
Not quite - I *was* referencing Voxx, but the point was the power of a town roleblocker (who can block the NK) in the lategame.
I have more to say on the subject, but it can wait a moment longer (the queries to Iso and AE above are relevant).
Also, reopening a query from D4 (that would have been resolved D4 if not for quickhammers):
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Tell you what PRP; you go and find a scum game of mine where I hardcore defend a scum buddy to stall his lynch, and I'll vote myself. Because it doesn't happen. If anything, AI being scum further confirms me as town.
In the first, you denied that you were backing AI hard, yet in the second (after being called out on it) you admit that you did (and then try to say that it makes you town). Which is it?
Both. It was initially him backing me on Day 2, which caused me to look at him in a more favorable light after that.
@Taredas: I don't think that you are going to be able to make any meaningful flavor connection there. Megiddo's role reveal has reminded me of how much DYH goes out of his way to spite people that try to(in his mind), 'flavor game' him.
I really don't see how you could come to the definite conclusion to the contrary.
How do you explain away the blatant distancing from TMCT?
I don't see it. It could be distancing, but it isn't as cut-and-dry as you make it seem. He could have also been distancing from you or Iso by the same post, but that isn't true, is it?
I really don't see how you could come to the definite conclusion to the contrary.
This is a pretty misleading rebuttal. I understand thinking that AI is town, but I don't think that you can be particularly certain of this. Given a complete lack of inside knowledge of the situation, I don't see how you can appear more certain that AI is town than others do that he is scum. But you are at least presenting yourself like you do, which is odd. I have played tons of games with AI, and literally just completed a game as his scumbuddy, and I think he is town, but I don't feel nearly as confident about this as you are acting like. So..what gives? Why are you so convinced that he is town?
@PRP: I think that you are making too much of that, much like Zionite is making too much of the fact that you got RBed on a night when there was no kill. Are you really arguing that a scum isn't capable of faking distancing?
AI's responses to the PRP block were contrary to popular opinion. Why would a scum support a wagon that wasn't going to happen? What does scumAI have to gain from supporting PRP's lynch when it's not going to earn him any brownie points with the other players?
Why would a scumAI refuse to claim a secondary ability, knowing it's not going to satisfy everyone? Scum want to defuse their wagon, not make it worse.
I've read AI as town throughout the entire game thus far, and I have yet to see any evidence hard enough to sway that read.
For that, plus, his continual pushing of the "one of the vanillas must be scum" thing.
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I think the scum is one of axel, cyan, or fade.
I also think that Meg/RR getting killed last night looks bad for Fade. Because I cannot logic out why the scum would have ever chosen to NK Meg/RR, given the state of the game yesterday, if Fade is Town. With one exception:
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Quick question: What if RobRoy was killed because Taredas is a Godfather?
Which would be this. The scum would have loved to kill Meg/RR if Kpaca/Tar was a GF who just got cleared. That would be gold for them. But I'm having a hard time seeing a GF role in a game where there was apparantly just one single shot actual investigation ability for the whole thing.
Last two scum Zionite/Fadeblue?
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Well, I'm completely willing to lynch Axelrod right now. That post reminds me entirely of the way that he acted in Redux, and is nothing like his typical town behavior.
I'm pretty sure that he has had absolutely nothing to say re: Zionite alllllllllll game long, either. But now he just comes out voting him.
Well, I'm completely willing to lynch Axelrod right now. That post reminds me entirely of the way that he acted in Redux, and is nothing like his typical town behavior.
I'm pretty sure that he has had absolutely nothing to say re: Zionite alllllllllll game long, either. But now he just comes out voting him.
Pretty sure you're wrong.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
And to suggest that that vote just suddenly came from out of nowhere shows such complete unawareness of what is actually happening in this game it boggles the mind.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
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Defending someone else means almost nothing anymore, I would never have bothered with that if I were scum and you were town, Zionite. I'd much rather have just seen the town RB get lynched.
That brings up another point, also, for people that are trying to vote Zionite right now. Why would Zionite have used his RB in the way that he did, as scum? Especially his burnout? This makes no sense at all. And that's beyond even the 'things scum might do to throw off the town'. It would be completely illogical and irrational.
Still rereading but his vote on Guardman, while justifiable as far as reasoning goes, is pretty bad as far as timing goes. It spurs on the momentum of the wagon.
I also don't think I've seen TMCT or AI interact with him up to that point in my reread.
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@Cyan: Zionite using his burnout early would accomplish two things for scum: 1) it removes his RB from the equation, meaning that town can no longer try to use it to their advantage and he no longer has the burden of trying to stop a NK, and 2) makes him vanilla so he has an excuse to not be a NK target. Also keep in mind that he chose to hide his burnout until D4, when I was ready to recharge Meg (as he was the only known burned out player).
Why burn out on PRP? That's still one thing in his favor, though it's possible he chose PRP again to avoid giving extra information about the vanillas (obviously, choosing a non-vanilla would have been suspicious).
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I re-read my analysis of early game voting patterns, and am reminded of the fact that Axelrod's vote came out of the blue on Guardman (which I pointed out a few posts ago), Zionite's voting behavior was really weak, and fadeblue's was meh. That's something everyone should take a look at.
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Makes the most sense as scum. Let's remember we still don't know who the silent servant is, but we do know he is likely scum. Axel's entrance today feels like he read what was said.
Makes the most sense as scum. Let's remember we still don't know who the silent servant is, but we do know he is likely scum. Axel's entrance today feels like he read what was said.
lol. most sense.
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so it makes tons of sense aktually
Nice job trying to get Taredas to do your dirty work, also.
You're right, I don't know what I could possibly be implying here :rolleyes:.
But hey, it's good of you to provide us insight into why the scum did what they did.
Yeah, being wrong means you're scum now. My apologies; please proceed.
This is a completely town Zionite post, just for the record.
All I did was refute the injection of venomous WIFOM in the post of yours that I referred to as Taredas-catnip.
You know very bloody well that the reason I think DRey died was probably from using his role to protect someone. And I don't know why you're even questioning the reasoning for them killing MegiRoy. A claimed cop who would have been ready with another investigation the following Day?
These explanations are so simple and obvious that I cannot believe you, as the experienced mafia player you are, failed to mention them in your massive pile of wifom. Nah, defending a scum exhaustively by doing nothing except attacking me makes you scum.
Never once explaining your defense of said scum before he flipped, despite being exhaustively questioned on it... that makes you scum.
Constantly calling me scum, and promising several times a case on me that never appeared - that makes you scum.
Also, I specifically said in the post that you initially quoted that DRey could have just gotten lucky on his bodyguard choice. So..you just felt compelled to point out something that I had already mentioned and try to use it as a point against me?
And Megiddo was an extremely viable mislynch candidate, and it's doubtful that he would get his next burnout the same night that FB targeted him. Killing him was a laughably bad choice on the scum's part.
Tell you what PRP; you go and find a scum game of mine where I hardcore defend a scum buddy to stall his lynch, and I'll vote myself. Because it doesn't happen. If anything, AI being scum further confirms me as town.
And, since you brought up Taredas' link, I think the "Chainsaw Defence" tell most certainly applies to you attacking me rather than defending AI as I questioned you on him. The stalling tell probably also applies, though that's a bit weaker than the Chainsaw.
For Cyan, the tell I was referring to was the "Well, that sucks" tell.
Also, reading.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
At the same time, I've also mentioned many times your reliance upon meta. I remember you as a shrewd analyst, but you're trying to cut into the over cooked steak that is this game using your metaspoon, rather than doing any real knife-and-fork analysis.
And yeah, it seems off to me, based on the games I've played with you before.
But meta is far from the only reason I think you're scum. As I said, I don't put much stock in it.
I sincerely doubt that there would be a godfather in a game where the only alignment investigation role is a flavour/one-shot alignment cop, and some monstrosity of a watcher/tracker/half-doc role.
And I love how you use meta to attack me, while simultaneously saying that meta isn't that relevant(thereby mitigating my ability to use it in self-defense, like pointing out that I'm always all over the place as town).
Meta is part of mafia. Period, The End. If you refuse to use it, then you choose to play the game without access to one of the primary tools of the game. That is your problem.
And my kind of miller claim was just that. I didn't know if I was a Miller or not. Apparently I was not. If I were going to claim Miller as scum, *especially* as scum that is immune to physical NKs, clearly I would have claimed exactly Miller. Claiming Miller was never going to 'get me killed'. When was the last time that you saw a Miller actually die? Cantrip claimed Miller in Survival Horror and was never, ever in danger of being Vigged. Miller is a role that has completely been 'figured out', and really doesn't need to be used in the game of mafia anymore. But I digress.
Just like there was both a member of the scumteam who claimed to be immune to physical kills when I only have 1 shot...which, oh, by the way, apparently means I killed my buddy on Night 1. Does not mesh.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Still pretty sure this is an indicator that Cyan is town.
I feel like this line is relevant but I can't really figure out how.
This is probably in Zionite's favor - scumAI would probably be more aware of accusations levied at scumZionite.
I think this makes Cyan town. Plus the whole "Armored claim" thing.
I think this is an indicator that Taredas is a Godfather. Coupled with TMCT's Godfather speculation in the previous post I quoted.
Though this makes me a little more skeptical of that possibility. He doesn't really engage kpaca here but makes a half-hearted attempt to discredit kpaca RE: Cyan.
Yeah, TMCT's AE vote reads like scum-on-town. I guess I can drop my suspicion of AE for now.
Also, Axelrod's first post in the game was horrible.
I don't know what to make of the interaction with kpaca here.
This exchange feels pretty genuine.
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I'm gonna leave it at that for the time being, as I need to get some sleep.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Also, PRP. Why would the scum have 2 Armored roles when the town has a single vig shot ever? Unless you're arguing that AI, as my scumbuddy, claimed an ability that was incredibly likely to end up getting him lynched, while gaining him nothing. And please don't call this WIFOM. There is WIFOM, and there is '**** that just doesn't make sense'. This is squarely in the latter camp.
Fade: Claim night action, please. Also, if you would please explain to the crowd what you thought I was referencing with my "Werewolf #2" reference yesterDay - I will explain what *I* meant after you do so.
It is too late for the pebbles to vote."
I assumed your "Werewolf #2" reference was about Voxx choosing the non-obvious target as Jailer (i.e. it was assumed that he would jail Arian, and the scum fully believed that as well). I also thought about targeting Zionite, and acknowledged your reference to make that look like it was a possibility, but with AI flipping scum I'm pretty sure Zionite is scum too.
Obviously it was risky and now means that I can't clear myself, but the upside of another potential cop inspection looked a lot better than giving scum their roleblocking/redirecting back.
In the first, you denied that you were backing AI hard, yet in the second (after being called out on it) you admit that you did (and then try to say that it makes you town). Which is it?
Iso: Are you specifically the king's cook?
AE: Are you specifically the king's maid?
Not bothering asking Zionite - he's almost certainly the king's jester (because *obviously*), and unlike Iso and AE he's not a strong town read.
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Not quite - I *was* referencing Voxx, but the point was the power of a town roleblocker (who can block the NK) in the lategame.
I have more to say on the subject, but it can wait a moment longer (the queries to Iso and AE above are relevant).
Also, reopening a query from D4 (that would have been resolved D4 if not for quickhammers):
I meant the AI push, sorry.
It is too late for the pebbles to vote."
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Both. It was initially him backing me on Day 2, which caused me to look at him in a more favorable light after that.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
So, the person cleared by the Cop and the person who vigged a scum. Good call on those "top reads."
PRP is like my hero right now.
Vote: Zionite
For that, plus, his continual pushing of the "one of the vanillas must be scum" thing.
plus
I also think that Meg/RR getting killed last night looks bad for Fade. Because I cannot logic out why the scum would have ever chosen to NK Meg/RR, given the state of the game yesterday, if Fade is Town. With one exception:
Which would be this. The scum would have loved to kill Meg/RR if Kpaca/Tar was a GF who just got cleared. That would be gold for them. But I'm having a hard time seeing a GF role in a game where there was apparantly just one single shot actual investigation ability for the whole thing.
Last two scum Zionite/Fadeblue?
I'm pretty sure that he has had absolutely nothing to say re: Zionite alllllllllll game long, either. But now he just comes out voting him.
Scum is as scum does here.
I'm still debating here on where my vote will go.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Pretty sure you're wrong.
I'll go back and see what you've had to say previously re: Zionite.
I didn't want to use that word because I thought it would be too close to quoting.
So yes, the queen.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Second Cyan's question, as I can't figure out what you're talking about here.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
That brings up another point, also, for people that are trying to vote Zionite right now. Why would Zionite have used his RB in the way that he did, as scum? Especially his burnout? This makes no sense at all. And that's beyond even the 'things scum might do to throw off the town'. It would be completely illogical and irrational.
Hows that going?
You saying PRP town Zionite scum.
Me saying Zionites response does not look good.
You saying you don't trust either of us.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Still rereading but his vote on Guardman, while justifiable as far as reasoning goes, is pretty bad as far as timing goes. It spurs on the momentum of the wagon.
I also don't think I've seen TMCT or AI interact with him up to that point in my reread.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Why burn out on PRP? That's still one thing in his favor, though it's possible he chose PRP again to avoid giving extra information about the vanillas (obviously, choosing a non-vanilla would have been suspicious).
...but no vote. This still bugs me.
Hey Axelrod, why did you think this with a Vanilla role PM?
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I'm going to sleep. More tomorrow, maybe.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Zionite (2) - PopeRonPaul, Axelrod
Axelrod (1) - Iso
With 8 alive, it is 5 to lynch.
V/LA: 3/21-3/24 & 3/27-3/29
Makes the most sense as scum. Let's remember we still don't know who the silent servant is, but we do know he is likely scum. Axel's entrance today feels like he read what was said.