KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
@Generic; I indeed missed your vote against Tom. You tried to appeal at him and when he called your posts forced, you followed by voting him? I can't say I understand your actions.
Why did you not understand Generic's actions?
Because right after budying attempt with Tom he voted him. It seemed really strange and really off, when right after he was accused of it, he made u-turn
(:p) and voted him.
Far as I could tell Gen voted Tom for not voting him. He even stated that here. So I ask again why did you not understand his point.
As Karn already said, I didn't say there is no other way (@SirKarn; please don't do this again. For anyone. It's personal pet peeve of mine), I said it is the most certain way. As Prophylaxis helpfully mentioned, he could just claim roleblock or something similar and we would be none the wiser about his alignment. So why should we keep him alive, when most people found him scummy anyway?
There could be a watcher, a cop or something that could prove he is what he claims if blocked. Why go with the negative aspect only?
Also, I request an unvote from one of you who is voting Generic. Leaving him at L-1 seems like a potentially dangerous play since someone could *cough, cough* accidentally hammer him.
I think TeH is scummy because he didn't unvote when Generic claimed one shot vig. His/her posts don't exactly inspire me as well.
@Vitek: Why don't you believe it? It's easily provable.
Yeah, it is provable, but I think he is scum, so we shouldn't leave him alive for another night.
In general I am too careful with lynching power roles and I did mistake to let scum flee by claiming it too often many time, swayed only by the weight of role, even when they were scummy and I don't want to allow it again.
Anyway, as you wish. Unvote for now.
Why specificaly TeH? Nobody unvoted after his claim.
And I have quite a good feeling from most of TeH's posts.
!GO BRUINS!
This rubs me the wrong way. You have had a claim before by scum, you are wary, but you unvote anyways.
Things that make me go hmmmmmmmm.
I only unvoted because Prophylaxis asked someone to do so in order to prevent self-hammer. I still think he is scum and am of opinion that it would be safer to lynch him. I am still prepared to put my vote back.
That doesn't make sense. You think he is scum so would a self hammer be bad? The only thing it hurts to discussion but it's dead scum.
Did you realize you were putting him at L-1? If so why were you not concerned about a hammer?
Is it fair to make an assumption pinky is town at this stage based on the fact swishh thought I was mafia but pinky who replaces him thinks cythare is?
Swishh clearly wasn't bothering to read the thread, but pinky has mostly and has made virtually the opposite call.
No it certainly isn't. You are only using it to make yourself look better, by saying if one follows the thread, he will find you to be town.
Also there can be other reasons for it. For one, I could interpret it that swishh was bussing you and pinky decided it is not necessary and is trying to save you.
Seee? It's easy to make some assumption.
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I still don't think Generic is playing in pro-town way. Frirst his way of accusing people without engaging in cause. Then he got really dismissive about it. Meanwhile there was his vote for Tom, post after buddying with him and being accused of it. Most of his defense is just words, without any real defense. Plus he is OMGUSing left and right.
I too disagree about Karn vs. Generic being town-town battle.
Can you give me an example of where you see Generic accusing people without engaging in cause or what that means exactly?
What was he dismissive about that was scummy?
I skimmed so of the fight, but I recall he asked Sir K for proof and didn't get the proof he asked for. I kept seeing the same circle argument and my eyes bleed from it, how can you defend something that is (1) an opinion and (2) when you ask for specifics you don't get them?
Do you think only scum OMGUS people?
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Pinky, vitek is trying to use the same post against my sir karn is. It's post 44 I believe and I will just say read it yourself without me making any comment on it yet and then tell me whether you find it scummy. The whole arguement against me lies there and with the 'buddying to Tom' debacle currently being revisited by vitek.
Let vitek answer my questions please.
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So... I'm all moved out of my dorm and home now, except I'm pretty upset that the chinchillas probably can't be moved out of my room for another week.
Therefore, I can't set up my desktop and start all my plans for gaming I had for a while... Summer vacation isn't going to last forever. Not only that, Chinchillas are nocturnal and they loved wake me up constantly on the weekends that I was home... can't wait for that for another week (as if I don't have enough problems sleeping anyway).
Rant aside, I'm exhausted from moving back and half-assedly unpacking some of my stuff, and I'll attempt a decent post tomorrow or so from my laptop (as I'm making now). Without my Desktop PC for gaming it's not like I'll have anything else to do =_=
This is me responding to a prod, my apologies I was away from my home for four days. I'm back now, will reread and have something by the end of the day.
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What you are doing just doesn't cut it. Unvote, Vote: LnGrrrR
I refuse to believe that the only thing you have to say about the ~140 posts in this game (that aren't yours or the mod's) is some on-the-fence opinion with no evidence behind it. I'm not going to let you just "watch them duke it out". Contribute or get lynched.
Why the smiley at the end?
I literally cannot read Generic's posts, and I feel like most of the things that prompted +good on Sir Karn while -bad on Generic during the first few pages of the game was that Generic's posts were nigh-unreadable, while Sir Karn's posts were fairly easy to understand.
Upon review, I don't think JeY is all that scummy anymore. I think Cythare is best lynch toDay. I still have a hard time believing that my "flat response" was scummy - I feel like he was reaching.
But ugh, this game. I feel like I'm knee-deep in molasses. I have a hard time obtaining reads, and most of the players in my town/scum list are at null.
Unvote, vote Cythare
I /do/ think that some of the players in the Generic wagon are scum.
EBWODP: Tom, please explain your scum read on Sir Karn. I understand that it's super cool to naked vote somebody and attack anybody who asks you to explain - proof of verbosity - but please, please, please explain.
Sorry for triple posting, but I'm not a fan of all of those people who are speculating about Generic's vig shot. It's not scumhunting at all, and it feels like scum worried about getting hit.
Upon review, I don't think JeY is all that scummy anymore. I think Cythare is best lynch toDay. I still have a hard time believing that my "flat response" was scummy - I feel like he was reaching.
@proph, what changed your mind about JeY?
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EBWODP: Tom, please explain your scum read on Sir Karn. I understand that it's super cool to naked vote somebody and attack anybody who asks you to explain - proof of verbosity - but please, please, please explain.
Hey, can everyone summarize their POV of the game for me? It's helpful, plus it tells me things about that player. I won't hold it against those who don't though, as it IS additional work and such
I'm working on catching up, but it's taking a while.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I've never had my butt referred to as sugary before Teh Jey, was that another reading of me or is that a saying in your part of the world?
Also, I think toms joke deserved someone at least acknowledging it, I'm assuming that's why condoms has that username. Comedy gold when using him in a discussion point.
I have ready offered to use my shot if the majority want me to, I have offered to choose between pre selected targets.
The only danger to three targets is if we manage to find a mafia today. How many would be left in a game this small, two maybe? Do having three targets would mean a guaranteed town player amongst the options, which makes the randomness of a dice a little tacky if you get my meaning. I assume no one would trust me to just choose between them? That way I am responsible for the death, can't blame chance. I take responsibility for any fallout.
My posting is full of whimsy. There nothing you can expect by absolutely anything. =)
Our current problem is deciding to either stake your claim and shoot, or to just lynch you. The decision 'votes' on what to do are split evenly at this point. Or, pretty evenly. Or not at all I'm just a bottle of nail polish.
Pinky.
What made me see Cythare as not scummy originally was a distinct lack of motive behind his posts. I operate on a largely intuition-gut feeling approach, which is terrible for this game because I can't prove anything but amazingly enough for myself since every time I've ever doubted my intuition it turned out to be a terrible idea.
However, I'm not saying my gut tells me he's town. I'm saying that I haven't felt any light bulbs going '...hang that monster trucker' (YET) or anything which makes me reluctant to believe accusations of being scummy. Well, that was true up until...
Well, I really have no clue exactly what to look for yet. You seem like you have a better idea than me, and from your case against Cythare some gears are turning and now I see why everyone was painting Cythare to be scummy. It's like going to several different tutors, and you never understand the material from any of them except one. I definitely had a better understanding of the scum claims you've explained versus the others.
I'm also well aware the case of this being thrown against me as possibly support scum before and now suddenly I've changed my mind, but that wasn't it. I don't believe I ever mentioned Cythare as town, just the fact that I failed the find what was scummy. You've made that clearer now. I'm stubborn so I'm skeptical still but I'll be less surprised now if Cythare flips scum. He still hasn't budged an inch higher in my priorities however.
Take that as a fence-sit maybe, but to make it clear that I'm off the fence I'm not going to agree with Cythare votes for the time being, still. This Generic-is-the-vig case is more important today anyway.
Speaking of which, you asked why I want to lynch a claimed power role. I think I explained that clearly already: I believe, the odds are, it will do more harm than good to leave him alive better yet, alive and shooting N1. That much as already been made clear, so this question was rather redundant.
Regarding your responses to my 4 outlined scenarios (minus best case),
1 - You didn't read the rest of the cases, outlined in 4.
2 - ...You still didn't read all of the cases, outlined in 3.
3 - You're confusing the word 'shot'. I mean basic nightkill. At least, I think 0.o I'm pretty sure I said earlier I omitted nightkill but I think I left it in this case because the proven make makes it clear he won't be lynched so he'll definitely be shot down the road.
4 - ...okay?
@Generic: Just because one person replaces in with a wall of text and believes your town doesn't actually make you town. I still say, even as town you're more dangerous if left alive assuming night actions don't completely mess with any possibilities of confirming you or letting you possibly shoot town, as the odds are in favor of.
As I'm continuing to read this, I realized something that almost made me laugh out loud. So, Pinky has me labeled as scummy for not quite agreeing on the thoughts that Cythare is scum, but then defends Generic even though people think he's scummy. Huh. Granted, Pinky explicitly stated she believed he was town where I explicitly stated I didn't quite believe but think there are more important cases at the present moment anyway.
Perhaps this means nothing whatsoever, but I thought it as funny.
I still don't think Generic is playing in pro-town way. Frirst his way of accusing people without engaging in cause. Then he got really dismissive about it. Meanwhile there was his vote for Tom, post after buddying with him and being accused of it. Most of his defense is just words, without any real defense. Plus he is OMGUSing left and right.
I too disagree about Karn vs. Generic being town-town battle.
Can you give me an example of where you see Generic accusing people without engaging in cause or what that means exactly?
What was he dismissive about that was scummy?
I skimmed so of the fight, but I recall he asked Sir K for proof and didn't get the proof he asked for. I kept seeing the same circle argument and my eyes bleed from it, how can you defend something that is (1) an opinion and (2) when you ask for specifics you don't get them?
Do you think only scum OMGUS people?
I'm responding to this too because I find it interesting.
It was more like, he kept asking for things and then kept not seeing the things given to him right in front of his face and then mis-repping quite a lot of things said about him. I remember mentioning a few times that he skewed a couple of my thoughts quite a bit which makes me wonder what he's trying to accomplish at all if he's town. I feel like he's in his own little world even. That doesn't seem to be very town, even if the town don't know who each other are.
However, there was quite the circle and my eyes did too bleed. @_@
Lots of the OMGUS's he dished were undeserved due to his constant skewing of how posts were interpreted.
@Proph#361 Please don't make me re-read Cythare AGAIN. If Generic is town though I would definitely see Cythare being scum. "So why still push a generic lynch?" Just like the roommate I left this semester, despite the fact that the roommate was harmless holy cow am I really glad I never have to live 'em again. No offense Generic.
Also apparently I missed you thinking I was scummy because 'anymore' is news to me! Unless you never mentioned it and it was just an internal thought that's since subsided?
Final thoughts: I'm ready to see some flips, and then I think I'll have some really good ideas.
Who's still on the Generic wagon? Like, whole-heartedly, we got to do this tonight, no questions? (Don't respond to this if you're saying no obviously.)
EBWODP: Tom, please explain your scum read on Sir Karn. I understand that it's super cool to naked vote somebody and attack anybody who asks you to explain - proof of verbosity - but please, please, please explain.
Hmmm, I wonder why Proph feels so strongly about this. If the above comment were a commercial they would be legally obligated to include the word "dramatization" at the bottom in little white letters. I guess I just hit a nerve
@JeY: I see that your vig points 1-4 had the possibility of either town or scum, however your comment below caught my attention reread
All of these cases point in favor of town dying needlessly. If we just lynch Generic and he happens to be town, there's no potential misfire (I'm aware we also lose the chance to shoot potential scum but keyword potential) and multiple town don't die. If he's scum, well that just worked out completely in our favor, didn't it?
Lynching Generic would of course be a gamble in itself but we probably don't need to gamble further by giving him a night.
[Also Generic's posts have been merely distractions from pursuing anything decent early, though they seem to be getting better now]
Flat out this is fearmongering
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As I'm continuing to read this, I realized something that almost made me laugh out loud. So, Pinky has me labeled as scummy for not quite agreeing on the thoughts that Cythare is scum, but then defends Generic even though people think he's scummy. Huh. Granted, Pinky explicitly stated she believed he was town where I explicitly stated I didn't quite believe but think there are more important cases at the present moment anyway.
Which cases? the Generic case and?????
Lets go through your comments about cythare and defense:
Now your saying Cythare didn't ping your scumdar. Please tell me what you thought when cythare like Generic's points, then votes him one is something Cythare never mentioned prior. What is most hysterical about this post is the fence-sitting/defense post that i am aware of was against Proph, who is cythare's main suspect prior to this post.
[quote]It was more like, he kept asking for things and then kept not seeing the things given to him right in front of his face and then mis-repping quite a lot of things said about him. I remember mentioning a few times that he skewed a couple of my thoughts quite a bit which makes me wonder what he's trying to accomplish at all if he's town. I feel like he's in his own little world even. That doesn't seem to be very town, even if the town don't know who each other are.[quote]
Have you ever seen a player be on tilt in a mafia game before?
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@ Pinky; alright, I get it, I'm bad at this game. But I will make some replies.
@ Promises to reread: I did re-read, so why point out the promise?
@ disagrees for no reason: I had just re-read. Reading all of a users posts isn't a reason to have an opinion?
@ defense of cythare: That was not a defense lol. I was pointing out that have experience with players makes a difference. I didn't say anything about either Generic or Cythare being each towny or scummy.
@shaky read/easy attack: The easy attack was in reference to GENERIC. My phrasing is wonky I know.
@Which cases: Generic, LnGrrrR (That's still a thing, right?), some other one I forget I'm not re-reading leave me alone oh my gosh the spiders ooooh the spiders don't feed me the spiders noooo I hate spiders
Finally @Cythare's "180": I honestly have no idea. Maybe it's scummy, but I haven't learned that it is yet. I mean it could be a light bulb, as you guys continue to case Cythare I could definitely believe it more and more but like I said I'm stubborn.
@ Teh JeY,
I wasn't saying pinky was town because she thought I was. I have twice explained why but you again haven't read what I wrote.
And as for your ex roommate... How do you know I'm not them
My roommate is far too stupid to even understand the concept of Mafia even. Even even even.
Okay, well I will point out one thing. I truly believe it would be a terrible move to case so strongly against Cythare and then attack me for refuting it even the tiniest bit if you were scum, so I'm willing to be believe what you're doing is a legitimate cause.
@Tom I think both of Cythare's lynch and Generic's lynch would provide a decent bit of insight on players, and you're saying regarding the circumstances the Generic lynch is not the smarter one? I'm not trying to say you want the Cythare lynch (if you did vote already and say something I'm too lazy to go back and re-read) but that you just don't want it. Okay.
Unvote
-sigh- I'm so lost now. I think Cythare needs to reply to some of Pinky's recent casing to convince me, maybe then I'll get a better idea.
And Teh JeY, you make some very detailed comments st times but I am finding the jokes almost seem to be strategic in your posts when the arguement you are presenting at that point is weaker than the rest of it. I am not knocking enjoying the game by any means, I just wonder how much of that is natural and how much of it you use to mask things.
This is a good point. The jokes do seem to come out when TeH's points get weaker, at least lately. I'll reread to see if this also holds true for earlier.
@Which cases: Generic, LnGrrrR (That's still a thing, right?)
This sounds really bad to me, like you're jumping onto a case for me because other people have. What, in your opinion, makes me scummy?
Out of that big post, this is all you take out of it? You're looking very self-conscious here.
I already stated my opinion on Cythare (that I think her "re-reading" was not genuine and it was merely a reason stated after the fact for jumping to the Generic wagon); JeY disagrees and feels it was a valid response. What else was there really to respond to? The whole post pretty much says, "I don't think Cythare is scum, but he might be, so try to convince me." It was "big" but I didn feel it was full of good content.
The only other interesting thing of note is that she seemingly pushed Generic into her "leaning town" pile, but I didn't have any comment on that.
Speaking of which Sir Karn, if JeY's post was big (which you implied meant containing content worth responding to), how come YOU didn't comment on any of it, and instead responded to MY comment? It seems like you have gotten even less out of it.
And Teh JeY, you make some very detailed comments st times but I am finding the jokes almost seem to be strategic in your posts when the arguement you are presenting at that point is weaker than the rest of it. I am not knocking enjoying the game by any means, I just wonder how much of that is natural and how much of it you use to mask things.
This is a good point. The jokes do seem to come out when TeH's points get weaker, at least lately. I'll reread to see if this also holds true for earlier.
...Are you kidding me. One post you should reread is my response to the last person who called me 'teh', unless you're doing that on purpose to piss me off. If that's the case, stop it please. Seriously. How difficult is it to see that my name is JeY and just call me JeY. Does anyone internet anymore? Has no one ever heard of a phrase like 'teh uber l33t'? Does no one EVER understand that 'teh' is just an accented form of the word 'the' anymore? Why did I never have a problem with this BS several years ago when made the name and suddenly over the past year alone it's astounding how much this comes up.
This will seriously be the last mafia game I play here if this keeps on happening. I am actually angry. The first time or so, fine whatever honest mistake idgaf just don't do it again. When I post a rant about my name for the THIRD or FOURTH time, I swear you're just pissing me off for kicks at this point. It's not funny. Please, just read. Just get it right. It's getting ridiculous. Yes it does matter this much to me.
On topic, they're not so much 'jokes' is it plain quirkiness. It's what I do. You can interpret the whimsy as you'd like, but it's not meant to mask or hide anything, it's just how I write.
If it's so obvious, would you kindly point out how the posts are weaker in comparison?
@ LnGrrrR: Since I can't remember I'm going to have to go back and read some posts and I'll either make myself look dumb or refresh whatever feelings I had and continue the case.
I expect there to be mistakes, but hardly after mentioning "Seriously, just call me JeY" multiple times and people still somehow manage to be either lazy or ignorant.
This isn't the first time it's happening either, but out of the past 10+ years I've had this alias, only within the last 8-12 months or so has it really begun to become a problem to the point where I'm mentioning "My name is JeY" far more often than ever. It's only come up just so often, every once in a while before that that's whatever, but the volume in which this is come up lately (and not just here) is insane.
But really, all you need to do to refer to me is type 'jey'. >_>
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A few of you crowd around Generic, questioning him. He gets visibly angrier and more upset the more he is questioned. He launches into an attack at every new body to circle him.
"How about you tell us who you really are and what you do here?" asks Condoms.
None of you seem very convinced by his response.
"You're being really aggressive towards everyone, we should just kill you. Or maybe not kill you because you could be telling the truth. Nah, lets just kill you." muses Vitek.
Sir Karn proposes a solution:"Let's just kill him and see if that sheds any light on this situation."
"Calm down man, we just got here." says Prophylaxis.
"Look how bloodthirsty he is, he's the one you should be worried about! You're all being hypocrites!" exclaims Generic.
"We've got plenty of time to think this through, but I'm pretty sure Generic needs to die today. It's statistically likely that killing him aids us all." Cythare chimes in.
"That's some cold logic, there's more to life than that." defends Generic.
The mob of you grows restless with the constant conjecture and speculation about whom it could be among you that wants to bring about your downfall.
Cythare goes completely blank, looks squarely at Tom, and says deadpan "You're starting to look like a condom."
"Yeah, well you look like a tampon!" retorts Tom.
Suddenly, and quite like an unexpected monthly visit from Aunt Flo, Swishh erupts in a steaming plume of blood. Pinkys_brain steps forth and, without batting an eyelash, lays into Cythare with a flood of questions and accusations.
"Pinky is obviously looking out for our best interests, Cythare must be stopped!" says Generic.
Some of you agree and you surround Cythare demanding answers.
A few of you barely notice Killjoy and Klevenclop as they stand silently in the corners of the room staring at the walls. It's almost like they are on punishment from their parents for doing something wrong.
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With 12 players alive, it's 7 to lynch!
Cythare (5): Condoms, Generic, LnGrrrR, Pinkys_brain, Prophylaxis Generic (2): Sir Karn, Cythare LnGrrrR (1): Klevenklop Sir Karn (1): Tom
Not currently voting (3): Killjoy, Vitek, Teh JeY
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@ Pinky; alright, I get it, I'm bad at this game. But I will make some replies.
1.@ Promises to reread: I did re-read, so why point out the promise?
2.@ disagrees for no reason: I had just re-read. Reading all of a users posts isn't a reason to have an opinion?
3. @ defense of cythare: That was not a defense lol. I was pointing out that have experience with players makes a difference. I didn't say anything about either Generic or Cythare being each towny or scummy.
4. @shaky read/easy attack: The easy attack was in reference to GENERIC. My phrasing is wonky I know.
1. You seem to be procrasting on your read of Cythare. As I pointed out there was twice in a row of saying you would do a reread.
2. You didn’t say why you disagreed with the case on Cythare.
3. Okay
4. But you still voted for Generic? That makes no sense.
@Which cases: Generic, LnGrrrR (That's still a thing, right?), some other one I forget I'm not re-reading leave me alone oh my gosh the spiders ooooh the spiders don't feed me the spiders noooo I hate spiders
I don’t see the case on LnGrrrR that works at this point since he brought up some points. The one negative was him just letting the fight go on.
I did LOL at the rest of this.
Finally @Cythare's "180": I honestly have no idea. Maybe it's scummy, but I haven't learned that it is yet. I mean it could be a light bulb, as you guys continue to case Cythare I could definitely believe it more and more but like I said I'm stubborn.
I find this hard to believe. You have systematically gone through and posted all the options that could happen keeping Generic alive or dead. That doesn’t read like someone inexperienced with mafia.
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@Sir K: Who else do you have a scum read on and why?
Sir Karn - I'm town.
Cythare - I think his opinions genuinely changed over time. Unless I'm missing something, the case against him is pretty weak.
Prophylaxis - I don't see anything scummy from him.
Vitek - Overall I like what he has said.
Condoms - Unsure/Nothing lately.
Killjoy - Not enough info.
klevenklop - Not enough info.
pinkys_brain - Unsure.
Teh JeY - When her points get weak she just trails off into saying random nothingness. For a long time had her vote on Generic even though she talked multiple times how it could easily be wrong. She says she's new, which could be some of it, but I still find her overall scummy.
LnGrrrR - His posting habits from earlier where he was far too wary of hopping in to post content, but still wanted to lurk in plain sight and act bored. He has looked self-conscious. In general I don't like his posts.
Tom - He refuses to provide reasoning on his posts. Overall, I don't like his tone or what he says.
Generic - This has already been stated.
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A side note:
Calm down on the name thing, Teh JeY. It's really not a big deal. No need to explode and make a couple paragraphs about it every time someone writes your name wrong. As long as it's clear who is being talked about it's fine.
Speaking of which Sir Karn, if JeY's post was big (which you implied meant containing content worth responding to), how come YOU didn't comment on any of it, and instead responded to MY comment? It seems like you have gotten even less out of it.
I didn't feel like there was anything I needed to expand on or talk about from it. The fact that you took less than a sentence out of it and made a post worrying about yourself looks really bad to me.
@Pinky - So I guess LnGrrrR is not a thing. Less re-reading I would have to do if I was confident in this, but I'm pretty sure I didn't feel right with some of his posts so I'll just have to quickly see what the matter was and "I'll either make myself look dumb or refresh whatever feelings I had and continue the case."
I'm hungry >_> brb cake.
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@1: But I still did re-read o_o
2: But I did initially; and it remained the same after the re-read.
4: I was hypothesizing - if Generic was town, then yes it was an easy attack, if he's not, then I already mentioned 'heck of a vengabus' too.
I'm new, as in this is only my 2nd game of mafia ever, but I'm not dumb. The cold logic is easy stuff - anyone with a bit of problem-solving skills could figure that out pretty easily, What could happen if he's alive and shoots? What could happen if we just lynch 'em? I didn't use any mafia knowledge besides the basics when coming up with that.
If it doesn't read like someone inexperienced with mafia, then I'm fooling you quite well I try to play as eloquently when I can, but when I have nothing to say other than to be honest and admit that I just don't know, I'm just going to say so. If Cythare's posts/actions seem scummy, I do not understand why yet.
@Sir Karn - Ah, despite mentioning it means nothing you're still willing to take a shot at my whimsy for actual content. Maybe Generic is town after all. I said Generic case can only be easily wrong if confirms shoots scum with a vig shot, which I think I suggested at. I still never liked the way he composed his posts, like I said he made it seem as if he was in his own little world. Seems like a bad ploy in my honest opinion.
Regarding name >_> You're wrong, and I'd say you just learned that it actually IS a big deal (to me). I consider the lack of representing me properly blatant disrespect.
...My face when I had something else to write in addition to responses and then I forget it in the middle of writing responses. It'll come back to me.
Speaking of which Sir Karn, if JeY's post was big (which you implied meant containing content worth responding to), how come YOU didn't comment on any of it, and instead responded to MY comment? It seems like you have gotten even less out of it.
I didn't feel like there was anything I needed to expand on or talk about from it. The fact that you took less than a sentence out of it and made a post worrying about yourself looks really bad to me.
Is it so surprising that the only thing that I needed to expand on it was the portion where I was explicitly mentioned? If it were your name there alongside Generic, would you have declined to inquire about it?
@pinkys_brain: A cursory review of her meta. JeY's posts in FHF were just pointing things out. This game she seems to be actually trying to scumhunt (but not very well)
@killjoy: I think reading the vote counts will help you get a unbiased review of the game.
But seriously..
a. Game opens pretty much naturally.
b. There's the Sir Karn/Generic slapfight, which I recommend you skim.
c. LnGrrrR makes some really fencesitty comments, and Tom and co. go after him.
d. LnGrrrR starts to realpost, and Generic gets brought up to claim range.
e. Generic claims one shot vigilante. People still want him to be lynched, and some people are speculating on a way to direct his shot.
j. Now.
@Tom: Eh, I don't feel so strongly about it, but why are you so reluctant to just come up and say the reason why you think Sir Karn is scummy? Are you trying to bait reactions out of people?
And if you're going after people who want to lynch Generic toDay, then why aren't you pressuring people such as Cythare or Vitek (who just removed his vote without me noticing?)
*sudden flash of inspiration* OH MY GOD I KNOW WHAT IT IS
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oh boy it's time to try the Tom school of mafia
Vote Gallus
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it's too late now though.
Also please don't try the tom school of mafia he's bad
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I will explain the Tom School of Mafia soon when it fails to do anything because it is bad. Actually it may not do anything at all given activity levels.
Also, I request that the mod add an MC Hammer role to this game.
But yeah, of course it is for reactions. And now that you have responded to my "hit a nerve" post I will explain.
I originally voted Sir Karn because he felt overly apologetic and he was continuing to go after the Generic after the claim (which is silly). Since then his posts have made me like my vote more and more, such as when he backed a Generic lynch on the basis of "information, whether he's [scum or town]" (302). First, by letting Generic live 'til night, we gain more information than we do if we lynch him. Second, if Generic is town, what info will that give us? That Sir Karn himself now looks scummy?
Also I'm not going after people on the Generic wagon specifically.
In answer to your smiley question that I keep forgetting to answer, I put that there in attempt to seem like less of a dick (I'd never played with him before).
@Karn: The only thing I hadn't explained so far was my vote on you. Also, if you felt that strongly about it, why didn't you call me out a second time rather than just throwing me near the bottom of your list?
Also you didn't answer my first question in my last post (395).
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Sir Karn's mindset doesn't feel townie. Jey talking about "more important cases" that don't actually exist feels really off to me, and I don't like his recent posts. Those are my biggest leads.
Thanks for answering my smiley question, and that game is from an old and embarrassing clan game we had a while back - you can check my blog for a link, if you're so inclined.
Town mindset. Where is the maliciousness? I've looked over his posts and it feels like he is genuinely trying. The only thing I don't like is when he was quiet at the beginning.
I particularly like that he fought against the dumb "lynch generic" logic. It shows he is not afraid to be the first to go against a majority and he is also not afraid of the vig shot. His logic was also quite sound.
Since then his posts have made me like my vote more and more, such as when he backed a Generic lynch on the basis of "information, whether he's [scum or town]" (302).
You cut that a little bit. You're cutting my quotes short a lot lately. The exact quote is:
First, by letting Generic live 'til night, we gain more information than we do if we lynch him.
That's not true. There are so many factors, some where letting him live provides more information, but some where lynching him provides more information.
Far as I could tell Gen voted Tom for not voting him. He even stated that here. So I ask again why did you not understand his point.
There could be a watcher, a cop or something that could prove he is what he claims if blocked. Why go with the negative aspect only?
That doesn't make sense. You think he is scum so would a self hammer be bad? The only thing it hurts to discussion but it's dead scum.
Did you realize you were putting him at L-1? If so why were you not concerned about a hammer?
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Can you give me an example of where you see Generic accusing people without engaging in cause or what that means exactly?
What was he dismissive about that was scummy?
I skimmed so of the fight, but I recall he asked Sir K for proof and didn't get the proof he asked for. I kept seeing the same circle argument and my eyes bleed from it, how can you defend something that is (1) an opinion and (2) when you ask for specifics you don't get them?
Do you think only scum OMGUS people?
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Let vitek answer my questions please.
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Therefore, I can't set up my desktop and start all my plans for gaming I had for a while... Summer vacation isn't going to last forever. Not only that, Chinchillas are nocturnal and they loved wake me up constantly on the weekends that I was home... can't wait for that for another week (as if I don't have enough problems sleeping anyway).
Rant aside, I'm exhausted from moving back and half-assedly unpacking some of my stuff, and I'll attempt a decent post tomorrow or so from my laptop (as I'm making now). Without my Desktop PC for gaming it's not like I'll have anything else to do =_=
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I'm not trying to give scum ideas - I'm just pointing out something that no one has thought of at the time.
I think the best case scenario is that if there's a scum!Generic, the vigilante who he shot will kill him toNight. I don't think he's scum, though.
My reread has solidified my scum reads on Cythare and LnGrrrR.
Honestly.
Tom, you didn't answer my question.
I literally cannot read Generic's posts, and I feel like most of the things that prompted +good on Sir Karn while -bad on Generic during the first few pages of the game was that Generic's posts were nigh-unreadable, while Sir Karn's posts were fairly easy to understand.
Upon review, I don't think JeY is all that scummy anymore. I think Cythare is best lynch toDay. I still have a hard time believing that my "flat response" was scummy - I feel like he was reaching.
But ugh, this game. I feel like I'm knee-deep in molasses. I have a hard time obtaining reads, and most of the players in my town/scum list are at null.
Unvote, vote Cythare
I /do/ think that some of the players in the Generic wagon are scum.
@proph, what changed your mind about JeY?
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Attack attack attack
Why would you call me out for not giving my reasoning for that statement but specifically not for my naked vote?
I'm working on catching up, but it's taking a while.
My posting is full of whimsy. There nothing you can expect by absolutely anything. =)
Our current problem is deciding to either stake your claim and shoot, or to just lynch you. The decision 'votes' on what to do are split evenly at this point. Or, pretty evenly. Or not at all I'm just a bottle of nail polish.
Pinky.
What made me see Cythare as not scummy originally was a distinct lack of motive behind his posts. I operate on a largely intuition-gut feeling approach, which is terrible for this game because I can't prove anything but amazingly enough for myself since every time I've ever doubted my intuition it turned out to be a terrible idea.
However, I'm not saying my gut tells me he's town. I'm saying that I haven't felt any light bulbs going '...hang that monster trucker' (YET) or anything which makes me reluctant to believe accusations of being scummy. Well, that was true up until...
Well, I really have no clue exactly what to look for yet. You seem like you have a better idea than me, and from your case against Cythare some gears are turning and now I see why everyone was painting Cythare to be scummy. It's like going to several different tutors, and you never understand the material from any of them except one. I definitely had a better understanding of the scum claims you've explained versus the others.
I'm also well aware the case of this being thrown against me as possibly support scum before and now suddenly I've changed my mind, but that wasn't it. I don't believe I ever mentioned Cythare as town, just the fact that I failed the find what was scummy. You've made that clearer now. I'm stubborn so I'm skeptical still but I'll be less surprised now if Cythare flips scum. He still hasn't budged an inch higher in my priorities however.
Take that as a fence-sit maybe, but to make it clear that I'm off the fence I'm not going to agree with Cythare votes for the time being, still. This Generic-is-the-vig case is more important today anyway.
Speaking of which, you asked why I want to lynch a claimed power role. I think I explained that clearly already: I believe, the odds are, it will do more harm than good to leave him alive better yet, alive and shooting N1. That much as already been made clear, so this question was rather redundant.
Regarding your responses to my 4 outlined scenarios (minus best case),
1 - You didn't read the rest of the cases, outlined in 4.
2 - ...You still didn't read all of the cases, outlined in 3.
3 - You're confusing the word 'shot'. I mean basic nightkill. At least, I think 0.o I'm pretty sure I said earlier I omitted nightkill but I think I left it in this case because the proven make makes it clear he won't be lynched so he'll definitely be shot down the road.
4 - ...okay?
@Generic: Just because one person replaces in with a wall of text and believes your town doesn't actually make you town. I still say, even as town you're more dangerous if left alive assuming night actions don't completely mess with any possibilities of confirming you or letting you possibly shoot town, as the odds are in favor of.
As I'm continuing to read this, I realized something that almost made me laugh out loud. So, Pinky has me labeled as scummy for not quite agreeing on the thoughts that Cythare is scum, but then defends Generic even though people think he's scummy. Huh. Granted, Pinky explicitly stated she believed he was town where I explicitly stated I didn't quite believe but think there are more important cases at the present moment anyway.
Perhaps this means nothing whatsoever, but I thought it as funny.
I'm responding to this too because I find it interesting.
It was more like, he kept asking for things and then kept not seeing the things given to him right in front of his face and then mis-repping quite a lot of things said about him. I remember mentioning a few times that he skewed a couple of my thoughts quite a bit which makes me wonder what he's trying to accomplish at all if he's town. I feel like he's in his own little world even. That doesn't seem to be very town, even if the town don't know who each other are.
However, there was quite the circle and my eyes did too bleed. @_@
Lots of the OMGUS's he dished were undeserved due to his constant skewing of how posts were interpreted.
@Proph#361 Please don't make me re-read Cythare AGAIN. If Generic is town though I would definitely see Cythare being scum. "So why still push a generic lynch?" Just like the roommate I left this semester, despite the fact that the roommate was harmless holy cow am I really glad I never have to live 'em again. No offense Generic.
Also apparently I missed you thinking I was scummy because 'anymore' is news to me! Unless you never mentioned it and it was just an internal thought that's since subsided?
Final thoughts: I'm ready to see some flips, and then I think I'll have some really good ideas.
Who's still on the Generic wagon? Like, whole-heartedly, we got to do this tonight, no questions? (Don't respond to this if you're saying no obviously.)
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Hmmm, I wonder why Proph feels so strongly about this. If the above comment were a commercial they would be legally obligated to include the word "dramatization" at the bottom in little white letters. I guess I just hit a nerve
Flat out this is fearmongering
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Which cases? the Generic case and?????
Lets go through your comments about cythare and defense:
wa going to deal with Cythare case
promised to read again
disagrees he's scummy no reason
more defense of cythare
shaky read now and an easy attack Generic on emotional rolercoaster is not an easy attack? Finds it hard to agree with the cythare case.
Now your saying Cythare didn't ping your scumdar. Please tell me what you thought when cythare like Generic's points, then votes him one is something Cythare never mentioned prior. What is most hysterical about this post is the fence-sitting/defense post that i am aware of was against Proph, who is cythare's main suspect prior to this post.
[quote]It was more like, he kept asking for things and then kept not seeing the things given to him right in front of his face and then mis-repping quite a lot of things said about him. I remember mentioning a few times that he skewed a couple of my thoughts quite a bit which makes me wonder what he's trying to accomplish at all if he's town. I feel like he's in his own little world even. That doesn't seem to be very town, even if the town don't know who each other are.[quote]
Have you ever seen a player be on tilt in a mafia game before?
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@ Promises to reread: I did re-read, so why point out the promise?
@ disagrees for no reason: I had just re-read. Reading all of a users posts isn't a reason to have an opinion?
@ defense of cythare: That was not a defense lol. I was pointing out that have experience with players makes a difference. I didn't say anything about either Generic or Cythare being each towny or scummy.
@shaky read/easy attack: The easy attack was in reference to GENERIC. My phrasing is wonky I know.
@Which cases: Generic, LnGrrrR (That's still a thing, right?), some other one I forget I'm not re-reading leave me alone oh my gosh the spiders ooooh the spiders don't feed me the spiders noooo I hate spiders
Finally @Cythare's "180": I honestly have no idea. Maybe it's scummy, but I haven't learned that it is yet. I mean it could be a light bulb, as you guys continue to case Cythare I could definitely believe it more and more but like I said I'm stubborn.
My roommate is far too stupid to even understand the concept of Mafia even. Even even even.
Okay, well I will point out one thing. I truly believe it would be a terrible move to case so strongly against Cythare and then attack me for refuting it even the tiniest bit if you were scum, so I'm willing to be believe what you're doing is a legitimate cause.
@Tom I think both of Cythare's lynch and Generic's lynch would provide a decent bit of insight on players, and you're saying regarding the circumstances the Generic lynch is not the smarter one? I'm not trying to say you want the Cythare lynch (if you did vote already and say something I'm too lazy to go back and re-read) but that you just don't want it. Okay.
Unvote
-sigh- I'm so lost now. I think Cythare needs to reply to some of Pinky's recent casing to convince me, maybe then I'll get a better idea.
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This sounds really bad to me, like you're jumping onto a case for me because other people have. What, in your opinion, makes me scummy?
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Out of that big post, this is all you take out of it? You're looking very self-conscious here.
This is a good point. The jokes do seem to come out when TeH's points get weaker, at least lately. I'll reread to see if this also holds true for earlier.
I already stated my opinion on Cythare (that I think her "re-reading" was not genuine and it was merely a reason stated after the fact for jumping to the Generic wagon); JeY disagrees and feels it was a valid response. What else was there really to respond to? The whole post pretty much says, "I don't think Cythare is scum, but he might be, so try to convince me." It was "big" but I didn feel it was full of good content.
The only other interesting thing of note is that she seemingly pushed Generic into her "leaning town" pile, but I didn't have any comment on that.
Speaking of which Sir Karn, if JeY's post was big (which you implied meant containing content worth responding to), how come YOU didn't comment on any of it, and instead responded to MY comment? It seems like you have gotten even less out of it.
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...Are you kidding me. One post you should reread is my response to the last person who called me 'teh', unless you're doing that on purpose to piss me off. If that's the case, stop it please. Seriously. How difficult is it to see that my name is JeY and just call me JeY. Does anyone internet anymore? Has no one ever heard of a phrase like 'teh uber l33t'? Does no one EVER understand that 'teh' is just an accented form of the word 'the' anymore? Why did I never have a problem with this BS several years ago when made the name and suddenly over the past year alone it's astounding how much this comes up.
This will seriously be the last mafia game I play here if this keeps on happening. I am actually angry. The first time or so, fine whatever honest mistake idgaf just don't do it again. When I post a rant about my name for the THIRD or FOURTH time, I swear you're just pissing me off for kicks at this point. It's not funny. Please, just read. Just get it right. It's getting ridiculous. Yes it does matter this much to me.
On topic, they're not so much 'jokes' is it plain quirkiness. It's what I do. You can interpret the whimsy as you'd like, but it's not meant to mask or hide anything, it's just how I write.
If it's so obvious, would you kindly point out how the posts are weaker in comparison?
@ LnGrrrR: Since I can't remember I'm going to have to go back and read some posts and I'll either make myself look dumb or refresh whatever feelings I had and continue the case.
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Out of all the recent posts, this is all you take out of them? You're looking very mudslingy here.
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As of now I'm fine with a Karn lynch or a JeY lynch.
Seriously, do that or accept the fact that people are not going type it right all the time.
This isn't the first time it's happening either, but out of the past 10+ years I've had this alias, only within the last 8-12 months or so has it really begun to become a problem to the point where I'm mentioning "My name is JeY" far more often than ever. It's only come up just so often, every once in a while before that that's whatever, but the volume in which this is come up lately (and not just here) is insane.
But really, all you need to do to refer to me is type 'jey'. >_>
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Are you fine with 'Jey'? That's easiest to me.
A few of you crowd around Generic, questioning him. He gets visibly angrier and more upset the more he is questioned. He launches into an attack at every new body to circle him.
"How about you tell us who you really are and what you do here?" asks Condoms.
None of you seem very convinced by his response.
"You're being really aggressive towards everyone, we should just kill you. Or maybe not kill you because you could be telling the truth. Nah, lets just kill you." muses Vitek.
Sir Karn proposes a solution:"Let's just kill him and see if that sheds any light on this situation."
"Calm down man, we just got here." says Prophylaxis.
"Look how bloodthirsty he is, he's the one you should be worried about! You're all being hypocrites!" exclaims Generic.
"We've got plenty of time to think this through, but I'm pretty sure Generic needs to die today. It's statistically likely that killing him aids us all." Cythare chimes in.
"That's some cold logic, there's more to life than that." defends Generic.
The mob of you grows restless with the constant conjecture and speculation about whom it could be among you that wants to bring about your downfall.
Cythare goes completely blank, looks squarely at Tom, and says deadpan "You're starting to look like a condom."
"Yeah, well you look like a tampon!" retorts Tom.
Suddenly, and quite like an unexpected monthly visit from Aunt Flo, Swishh erupts in a steaming plume of blood. Pinkys_brain steps forth and, without batting an eyelash, lays into Cythare with a flood of questions and accusations.
"Pinky is obviously looking out for our best interests, Cythare must be stopped!" says Generic.
Some of you agree and you surround Cythare demanding answers.
A few of you barely notice Killjoy and Klevenclop as they stand silently in the corners of the room staring at the walls. It's almost like they are on punishment from their parents for doing something wrong.
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With 12 players alive, it's 7 to lynch!
Cythare (5): Condoms, Generic, LnGrrrR, Pinkys_brain, Prophylaxis
Generic (2): Sir Karn, Cythare
LnGrrrR (1): Klevenklop
Sir Karn (1): Tom
Not currently voting (3): Killjoy, Vitek, Teh JeY
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Absolutely. I made it clear in the last 'my name is JeY' post that caps wasn't really a big deal.
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1. You seem to be procrasting on your read of Cythare. As I pointed out there was twice in a row of saying you would do a reread.
2. You didn’t say why you disagreed with the case on Cythare.
3. Okay
4. But you still voted for Generic? That makes no sense.
I don’t see the case on LnGrrrR that works at this point since he brought up some points. The one negative was him just letting the fight go on.
I did LOL at the rest of this.
I find this hard to believe. You have systematically gone through and posted all the options that could happen keeping Generic alive or dead. That doesn’t read like someone inexperienced with mafia.
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Sir Karn - I'm town.
Cythare - I think his opinions genuinely changed over time. Unless I'm missing something, the case against him is pretty weak.
Prophylaxis - I don't see anything scummy from him.
Vitek - Overall I like what he has said.
Condoms - Unsure/Nothing lately.
Killjoy - Not enough info.
klevenklop - Not enough info.
pinkys_brain - Unsure.
Teh JeY - When her points get weak she just trails off into saying random nothingness. For a long time had her vote on Generic even though she talked multiple times how it could easily be wrong. She says she's new, which could be some of it, but I still find her overall scummy.
LnGrrrR - His posting habits from earlier where he was far too wary of hopping in to post content, but still wanted to lurk in plain sight and act bored. He has looked self-conscious. In general I don't like his posts.
Tom - He refuses to provide reasoning on his posts. Overall, I don't like his tone or what he says.
Generic - This has already been stated.
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Calm down on the name thing, Teh JeY. It's really not a big deal. No need to explode and make a couple paragraphs about it every time someone writes your name wrong. As long as it's clear who is being talked about it's fine.
I didn't feel like there was anything I needed to expand on or talk about from it. The fact that you took less than a sentence out of it and made a post worrying about yourself looks really bad to me.
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@1: But I still did re-read o_o
2: But I did initially; and it remained the same after the re-read.
4: I was hypothesizing - if Generic was town, then yes it was an easy attack, if he's not, then I already mentioned 'heck of a vengabus' too.
I'm new, as in this is only my 2nd game of mafia ever, but I'm not dumb. The cold logic is easy stuff - anyone with a bit of problem-solving skills could figure that out pretty easily, What could happen if he's alive and shoots? What could happen if we just lynch 'em? I didn't use any mafia knowledge besides the basics when coming up with that.
If it doesn't read like someone inexperienced with mafia, then I'm fooling you quite well I try to play as eloquently when I can, but when I have nothing to say other than to be honest and admit that I just don't know, I'm just going to say so. If Cythare's posts/actions seem scummy, I do not understand why yet.
@Sir Karn - Ah, despite mentioning it means nothing you're still willing to take a shot at my whimsy for actual content. Maybe Generic is town after all. I said Generic case can only be easily wrong if confirms shoots scum with a vig shot, which I think I suggested at. I still never liked the way he composed his posts, like I said he made it seem as if he was in his own little world. Seems like a bad ploy in my honest opinion.
Regarding name >_> You're wrong, and I'd say you just learned that it actually IS a big deal (to me). I consider the lack of representing me properly blatant disrespect.
...My face when I had something else to write in addition to responses and then I forget it in the middle of writing responses. It'll come back to me.
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So is there anything specific or just OMGUS? Funny that you would put me as low as Generic when you haven't said anything about me for a while.
Funny that you would omit the main part.
The part I omitted was you saying I refuse to explain my reads. I haven't refused, and I always explain my reads eventually.
Now don't sidestep my question. Is there anything in particular that I'm saying which you don't like, or is it just OMGUS?
Is it so surprising that the only thing that I needed to expand on it was the portion where I was explicitly mentioned? If it were your name there alongside Generic, would you have declined to inquire about it?
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@killjoy: I think reading the vote counts will help you get a unbiased review of the game.
But seriously..
a. Game opens pretty much naturally.
b. There's the Sir Karn/Generic slapfight, which I recommend you skim.
c. LnGrrrR makes some really fencesitty comments, and Tom and co. go after him.
d. LnGrrrR starts to realpost, and Generic gets brought up to claim range.
e. Generic claims one shot vigilante. People still want him to be lynched, and some people are speculating on a way to direct his shot.
j. Now.
@Tom: Eh, I don't feel so strongly about it, but why are you so reluctant to just come up and say the reason why you think Sir Karn is scummy? Are you trying to bait reactions out of people?
And if you're going after people who want to lynch Generic toDay, then why aren't you pressuring people such as Cythare or Vitek (who just removed his vote without me noticing?)
*sudden flash of inspiration* OH MY GOD I KNOW WHAT IT IS
More use of the word "honestly"
Eventually... Why does it take so much pushing to get you to tell us?
The fact that you're just calling things dumb or scummy without giving a good reason.
But yeah, of course it is for reactions. And now that you have responded to my "hit a nerve" post I will explain.
I originally voted Sir Karn because he felt overly apologetic and he was continuing to go after the Generic after the claim (which is silly). Since then his posts have made me like my vote more and more, such as when he backed a Generic lynch on the basis of "information, whether he's [scum or town]" (302). First, by letting Generic live 'til night, we gain more information than we do if we lynch him. Second, if Generic is town, what info will that give us? That Sir Karn himself now looks scummy?
Also I'm not going after people on the Generic wagon specifically.
In answer to your smiley question that I keep forgetting to answer, I put that there in attempt to seem like less of a dick (I'd never played with him before).
@Karn: The only thing I hadn't explained so far was my vote on you. Also, if you felt that strongly about it, why didn't you call me out a second time rather than just throwing me near the bottom of your list?
Also you didn't answer my first question in my last post (395).
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Sir Karn's mindset doesn't feel townie. Jey talking about "more important cases" that don't actually exist feels really off to me, and I don't like his recent posts. Those are my biggest leads.
LGR is my strongest town read.
Thanks for answering my smiley question, and that game is from an old and embarrassing clan game we had a while back - you can check my blog for a link, if you're so inclined.
How do you feel about Cythare?
Town mindset. Where is the maliciousness? I've looked over his posts and it feels like he is genuinely trying. The only thing I don't like is when he was quiet at the beginning.
I particularly like that he fought against the dumb "lynch generic" logic. It shows he is not afraid to be the first to go against a majority and he is also not afraid of the vig shot. His logic was also quite sound.
Better, he needs to answer my question tho.
Cythare, Sir Karn, LnGrrrR: ask other people questions please
Can you point to where I was apologetic, especially overly so? I don't recall that happening.
You cut that a little bit. You're cutting my quotes short a lot lately. The exact quote is:
That's not true. There are so many factors, some where letting him live provides more information, but some where lynching him provides more information.
I'm confident enough that Generic will flip scum that I'm not worried about how a town flip would make me look.
You omitted the part on specifics, then you asked me if I had any specifics. You acted like I was just OMGUSing instead of providing a point.