What Macius said. Context is everything. Saying 'holy **** you are stupid' is probably over the top(language notwithstanding). Saying 'that was stupid' or possibly 'don't be stupid' is fine. It's all situational. Plus like, if you are playing a logical strategic game like mafia and can't handle people calling you stupid, you're probably in the wrong place. Moments get heated sometimes, and people just need to be called out.
I think the intentions of its usage are also relevant.
If you are saying someone is stupid intentionally to hurt them and paint them as idiotic in front of the entire town, no, I don't think that's fair or fun.
If you are saying someone's logic is stupid for reasons X, Y, and Z. That's fine.
I have the perfect example of this to illustrate my point, but it's in an ongoing game.
Hey guys, I have great interest in discovering what makes mafia games tick, what kind of games people enjoy more and stuff. So I want the opinion of you guys about the greatest setups you have ever seen, read or played. Games that people still remember fondly and that were universally considered good at the time, no matter how old they are, it can be games outside of this forum. Feel free to shot me a PM or post here your opinions, the more opinions the better, doesn't matter if you are a new player or a vet.
I don't know if this is the right thread for it, so sorry in advance if this is in the wrong place.
Amnesia was definitely my favorite game on MTGS. On MafiaScum, I've only played 2 games, but Emotions Mafia was also really fun. (It was a Mini.) Cyberpunk was also pretty great, even though I got lynched Day 1.
I would venture to say, Cirque was the most fun I've had in a completed game. The others that I have spectated, I can't comment on yet.
Cirque was just a basic. But that doesn't mean it was "simple". It used a lot of roles you wouldn't normally find in a Basic, that proved quite challenging for myself to try to figure out "what the hell is going on!?". Cirque was like playing a mystery novel.
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Basically context for it is key. how are you using it?
I think it also needs saying that it also depends on the person you are calling stupid. Some people take these things personally when it's the actions that are being called stupid. I'm certain I've done so before.
Unless you are role playing an illiterate Russian Greek hooker (looking at you Niv) is it really that hard to form posts with at least a semblance of proper spelling, capitalization and punctuation? ****, if you're running any browser other that IE nowadays the spelling is just a right click away. ****!
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Calling other players stupid, should it be allowed in mafia games, yes or no?
There are degree's. I'm finding ways around using the word stupid so I don't offend people.
The smiley with the head smack, I have a vid of the song if i only had a brain, things like that to make it less harsh sounding.
I think the intentions of its usage are also relevant.
If you are saying someone is stupid intentionally to hurt them and paint them as idiotic in front of the entire town, no, I don't think that's fair or fun.
If you are saying someone's logic is stupid for reasons X, Y, and Z. That's fine.
I have the perfect example of this to illustrate my point, but it's in an ongoing game.
This. I have seen people using it intentionally. Some more then others are being very rude and condescending with there comments.
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No, I don't think it's particularly difficult. Then again, I'm usually pretty anal about typing properly unless I'm making a point. Is there someone in particular you had your eye on, tord?
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There are just several players whose posting habits make me want 1)scream, 2) tear out my eyes or 3) find a copy of Hooked on Phonics and a.) mail it to them or b.) hit them with it
Unless you are role playing an illiterate Russian Greek hooker (looking at you Niv) is it really that hard to form posts with at least a semblance of proper spelling, capitalization and punctuation? ****, if you're running any browser other that IE nowadays the spelling is just a right click away. ****!
My work computer doesn't note spelling errors. My home one does.
There are just several players whose posting habits make me want 1)scream, 2) tear out my eyes or 3) find a copy of Hooked on Phonics and a.) mail it to them or b.) hit them with it
I may be one of these people. I usually type from work and do it quickly without checking everything.
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Yeah, I wanted to stab myself in the eyes when I was exchanging with you in Cyberpunk, pinky. Sorry. I just could not make sense of your posts or points.
Eco, it's not as bad as people saying "backpeddling". What are you, a merchant or something? "GOT A LOT OF GOOD LYNCHES ON SALE, STRANGA'."
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Modkills are done by the game Mod on players that have broken the rules of the game. The examples Iso provided of policy lynches are not actions that break game rules.
Can someone explain to me what a "policy lynch" is? This is as in-depth as I can go without breaking the rules.
It's where you lynch someone based on a policy rather than behaviour. The most common is the "lynch all liars" policy, which basically states that if someone is caught lying, they should be lynched regardless of anything else. The point is to try and condition townies to not lie, because if they do, they'll get lynched.
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Some policy lynches are part of game structure. I would argue that Lynch All Liars can often be a pro-town policy. Same thing with similar policies like "Lynch the first person to mention a serial killer or second scum team."
I am not a fan of the policy lynches which are NOT a part of game structure like: "Lynch anyone who uses trust tells."
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Some policy lynches are part of game structure. I would argue that Lynch All Liars can often be a pro-town policy.
Lynching liars is only acceptable when the liar in question didn't have a good reason to be lying to begin with.
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Same thing with similar policies like "Lynch the first person to mention a serial killer or second scum team."
This is a policy lynch I agree with - in Flame Warriors, Seppel started "modgaming" and suggesting that there were a bunch of Neutrals instead of a scumteam, in Starcraft, KCC and I got into an argument about 2 mafias and a cult (and we were both scum), and in Cyberpunk, Arcadic said something to the effect of, "based on the OP, it looks like two possible groups could be the scumteam." I pushed for his lynch based on this, because I knew that there were two scumteams, and that he was on the other one. Everyone said, "No, that's a bad case, stop pushing it, you're scum, die." Except I was right! But either way, we were the first two to mention a second scumteam. On the other hand, Squeege was the Cop, and he was the first to mention an SK in the game. But more often than not, the people fearmongering about Neutrals/other teams is scum.
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I am not a fan of the policy lynches which are NOT a part of game structure like: "Lynch anyone who uses trust tells."
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Yes, by "acceptable" I do mean "a good idea". Lynching E_P in Hetalia after he revealed his real role after having lied about it during the massclaim was a perfectly acceptable liar lynch. I smacked myself at the endgame for not continuing that push.
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I would argue that "scum have more reason to lie than townies, therefore lynch all liars" and "scum are usually the first to mention neutrals or multiple scum teams, therefore lynch the first player to do that" are not truly policy lynches. In both those cases, you're lynching the player because they've done something that you think makes them likely to be scum.
To me, a policy lynch is when your reason for lynching the player is not "you did X, scum usually do X, so you're probably scum" but rather "you did X, we cannot allow people to be rewarded for doing X, so we're lynching you regardless of what it says about your alignment."
So the classic example I would use would be Lynch All Lurkers rather than Lynch All Liars. The correlation between lurking and being scum is much weaker than the correlation between lying and being scum, almost to the point of being nonexistent. But Lynch All Lurkers used to have quite a passionate following simply because people wanted to discourage lurking in all cases.
I would argue that "scum have more reason to lie than townies, therefore lynch all liars" and "scum are usually the first to mention neutrals or multiple scum teams, therefore lynch the first player to do that" are not truly policy lynches. In both those cases, you're lynching the player because they've done something that you think makes them likely to be scum.
To me, a policy lynch is when your reason for lynching the player is not "you did X, scum usually do X, so you're probably scum" but rather "you did X, we cannot allow people to be rewarded for doing X, so we're lynching you regardless of what it says about your alignment."
So the classic example I would use would be Lynch All Lurkers rather than Lynch All Liars. The correlation between lurking and being scum is much weaker than the correlation between lying and being scum, almost to the point of being nonexistent. But Lynch All Lurkers used to have quite a passionate following simply because people wanted to discourage lurking in all cases.
If I had anything to say about this I don't have anymore.
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Hi guys. I'm here to talk about kill pecking order.
My preferred order for kills:
PRs (either claimed, breadcrumbed, or heavily suspected of, based on behavior)
Veteran players/leader-types
Players who think my teammates and/or I are/am scum
Players who think my teammates and/or I are/am town
Anyone else.
With PRs gone, you effectively neuter the town. With veterans/leaders gone, a lot of players are less confident in their reads, and less people will simply take action. With people who think my team is scum gone, we will have few to no detractors. With people who think we're town gone, well, I've found those are the players most likely to change their mind about you, and they're players with strong opinions one way or another. I think the most efficient way to win as scum is to keep the players who are most easily swayed or have been neither super townie nor super scummy all game alive.
Any thoughts on this? Do you guys have a different kill pecking order?
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Hi guys. I'm here to talk about kill pecking order.
My preferred order for kills:
PRs (either claimed, breadcrumbed, or heavily suspected of, based on behavior)
Veteran players/leader-types
Players who think my teammates and/or I are/am scum
Players who think my teammates and/or I are/am town
Anyone else.
With PRs gone, you effectively neuter the town. With veterans/leaders gone, a lot of players are less confident in their reads, and less people will simply take action. With people who think my team is scum gone, we will have few to no detractors. With people who think we're town gone, well, I've found those are the players most likely to change their mind about you, and they're players with strong opinions one way or another. I think the most efficient way to win as scum is to keep the players who are most easily swayed or have been neither super townie nor super scummy all game alive.
Any thoughts on this? Do you guys have a different kill pecking order?
Couldn't tell you; never played scum.
Makes sense to me. The only thing I'd worry about at that list, is that you have to actively seek our PR's if there are no veterans. If you can't figure out the PR's, and there are no veterans (which would be hard to do; because usually newcomers spill PR's very easily), you could draw suspicion on yourself if you're going after who thinks you're mafia over and over again.
So I think 1, 2, and then 3 and 4 oscillate back and forth.
I'd say 1 and 2 are faily even. If the player with the power role is not a good player then you could afford to leave them alone for a while where as the experience player could be a bigger problem earlier. If the power role is in the hands of a more experienced player then terminate with extreme prejudice.
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Someone somewhere wanted to talk to me about my no-lying and/or "this is why I won't claim" policies. I forget who and which thread and I couldn't find it searching. I asked them to wait until after STV: Mafia because I wanted to cite the example we had there from Day 2. I was almost mislynched because I often come across as scummy when I'm town, then I refused to claim. I was saved at the last second by a Governor-type ability, but I recall this whole situation being relevant to the discussion.
Can anyone remember who wanted to talk to me about my self-restriction? I'm ready to resume that now.
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So this type of behavior would have caused your lynch in any other circumstance. Not only that but it hampers you heavily when playing as the mafia.
You "fix" this by taking the fifth even as town ,but be honest, that isnt really how the game should be played and the only reason you have to take the fifth as town is to keep your mafia games alive.
That would be like me never looking at a quick topic so that i can be free of all connection to the mafia. it s just bad
Scum daychat is something that has to be taken into account when balancing a game setup, but rarely is. It gives a scum team a ton more coordination, helps bad scum players avoid traps, etc. It creates a much, much easier gamestate for the scum.
Someone somewhere wanted to talk to me about my no-lying and/or "this is why I won't claim" policies. I forget who and which thread and I couldn't find it searching. I asked them to wait until after STV: Mafia because I wanted to cite the example we had there from Day 2. I was almost mislynched because I often come across as scummy when I'm town, then I refused to claim. I was saved at the last second by a Governor-type ability, but I recall this whole situation being relevant to the discussion.
Can anyone remember who wanted to talk to me about my self-restriction? I'm ready to resume that now.
ME!!!
First off my issue was not about you no lying it was the hypocrisy of asking Shal to full claim, calling him anti-town for not claiming then holding onto a moral code of not claiming.
I seriouslly kept on looking at your comments about anyone not claiming in full and calling them anti-town as the biggest hypocritical comment that game.
Funny enough I think Shal agreed with me, which made me laugh out loud.
Anyways my point is if you want to hold onto a moral code of not wanting to lie and not wanting to claim to save yourself, then you have no right to ask anyone to claim or tell them they are anti-town for not claiming.
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Mafia basic premisses: Town strengths
-Numbers
-Open Daytalk
-Lynch
Scum strengths
-More information about the setup
-Secret nightalk
-NK
When mafia has daytalk it greatly change things and mafia get much stronger, heck if the scumteam is coordinated enough, the "quality" of each member turns into the quality of the strongest member, because he will just command everything.
EWP: Considering Axel "limited pointing" to balance setups, daychat certainly is worth a lot of points, I think 5(6?) is a fair number.
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Oh and before I forget.
@DH: The other problem with not lying and not claiming in the end if you are at L-2 it is because you did something scummy. If you don't claim at all and your a PR, you are hurting the town by not claiming.
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Someone somewhere wanted to talk to me about my no-lying and/or "this is why I won't claim" policies. I forget who and which thread and I couldn't find it searching. I asked them to wait until after STV: Mafia because I wanted to cite the example we had there from Day 2. I was almost mislynched because I often come across as scummy when I'm town, then I refused to claim. I was saved at the last second by a Governor-type ability, but I recall this whole situation being relevant to the discussion.
Can anyone remember who wanted to talk to me about my self-restriction? I'm ready to resume that now.
There's not much to discuss. As DRey said, it's a trust tell. One likely outcome is, if you push "I don't lie" strongly, you will be pushed by the town either state unambiguously "I am town" or get lynched. It's likely to be a detriment to your team no matter what team you're on. That said, I'm not particularly concerned about someone playing in a way that's somewhat detrimental to their team; lord knows we have plenty of people who don't play optimally, and I include myself in that. Some people might get frustrated with it, and some people might dislike the trust tell from an out of game perspective. Others will probably take advantage of it when possible. Others won't care.
Re Daytalk: When I joined the site, I thought it was supposed to be a rare and powerful thing. Either I was mistaken about the rarity or it's become increasingly common; for example, both of my scum games had daytalk. I think it does deserve to be weighted as a significant benefit to scum.
Speaking from the perspective of "the most experienced player in a recently completed scum game", in Triskelion Mafia, I played scum along with Zenjo (who had one completed game, which was also a scum game) and LuckNorris (who also had one completed scum game), and we only had Night chat - but I set out the plan so thoroughly that we only managed to lose LN and I managed to deflect from Zenjo's lynch completely. As long as the mafia coordinates enough in the Day with less complicated setups, Nighttalk is all they need. (For setups where more coordination is required, I of course, advocate Daytalk.)
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I think day talk is a very strong ability for the scum team. you can help each other out, talk about what you see in the game in case you die. For example in Mean Girls PF talked to his team about CC'ing Eron for town credit. Arminaes was upset but as they discussed further after it happened things calmed down.
It was better for Arminaes in the long run to have a heads up for one and for another to rant briefly at his scum buddy.
Also when I used day talk as scum we coordinated voting in end game for the win and scum hammer.
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Actions- yes.
Personally- no
Atlseal, I assume that if you did something wrong that is painfully obvious, then calling you stupid for it is acceptable in my eyes.
If i just hate you, its not
Basically context for it is key. how are you using it?
540 Peasant cube- Gold EditionSomething SpicyIf you are saying someone is stupid intentionally to hurt them and paint them as idiotic in front of the entire town, no, I don't think that's fair or fun.
If you are saying someone's logic is stupid for reasons X, Y, and Z. That's fine.
I have the perfect example of this to illustrate my point, but it's in an ongoing game.
Amnesia was definitely my favorite game on MTGS. On MafiaScum, I've only played 2 games, but Emotions Mafia was also really fun. (It was a Mini.) Cyberpunk was also pretty great, even though I got lynched Day 1.
Thank you!
To a degree - depends on whether it's meant as simply ad hom or actually has a reason behind it, like something they did was really stupid.
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im starting to think so
Are they Stupid?
If I was doing something stupid in a Mafia game I would want players to tell me.
And why of course.
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I think it also needs saying that it also depends on the person you are calling stupid. Some people take these things personally when it's the actions that are being called stupid. I'm certain I've done so before.
RussianGreek hooker (looking at you Niv) is it really that hard to form posts with at least a semblance of proper spelling, capitalization and punctuation? ****, if you're running any browser other that IE nowadays the spelling is just a right click away. ****!The Family
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There are degree's. I'm finding ways around using the word stupid so I don't offend people.
The smiley with the head smack, I have a vid of the song if i only had a brain, things like that to make it less harsh sounding.
This. I have seen people using it intentionally. Some more then others are being very rude and condescending with there comments.
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Fixed it for ya. But the question still stands.
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Though after playing with jordman no amount of grammar, spelling, linguistic, ............., needless punctuation really effects me now.
My work computer doesn't note spelling errors. My home one does.
I may be one of these people. I usually type from work and do it quickly without checking everything.
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Eco, it's not as bad as people saying "backpeddling". What are you, a merchant or something? "GOT A LOT OF GOOD LYNCHES ON SALE, STRANGA'."
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When my teammates caused me to lose the game, I had to loose my fury upon them.
Can we make this part of the Captcha to sign up to the site?
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Some policy lynches include:
Lynching people who are screwing their team over
Lynching people who are lying/caught lying
Lynching people who are lurking
Etc.
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
So the definition is different than modkill.
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It's where you lynch someone based on a policy rather than behaviour. The most common is the "lynch all liars" policy, which basically states that if someone is caught lying, they should be lynched regardless of anything else. The point is to try and condition townies to not lie, because if they do, they'll get lynched.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I am not a fan of the policy lynches which are NOT a part of game structure like: "Lynch anyone who uses trust tells."
Correct. As long as your not policy lynching them for being black or something...
Lynching liars is only acceptable when the liar in question didn't have a good reason to be lying to begin with.
This is a policy lynch I agree with - in Flame Warriors, Seppel started "modgaming" and suggesting that there were a bunch of Neutrals instead of a scumteam, in Starcraft, KCC and I got into an argument about 2 mafias and a cult (and we were both scum), and in Cyberpunk, Arcadic said something to the effect of, "based on the OP, it looks like two possible groups could be the scumteam." I pushed for his lynch based on this, because I knew that there were two scumteams, and that he was on the other one. Everyone said, "No, that's a bad case, stop pushing it, you're scum, die." Except I was right! But either way, we were the first two to mention a second scumteam. On the other hand, Squeege was the Cop, and he was the first to mention an SK in the game. But more often than not, the people fearmongering about Neutrals/other teams is scum.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
To me, a policy lynch is when your reason for lynching the player is not "you did X, scum usually do X, so you're probably scum" but rather "you did X, we cannot allow people to be rewarded for doing X, so we're lynching you regardless of what it says about your alignment."
So the classic example I would use would be Lynch All Lurkers rather than Lynch All Liars. The correlation between lurking and being scum is much weaker than the correlation between lying and being scum, almost to the point of being nonexistent. But Lynch All Lurkers used to have quite a passionate following simply because people wanted to discourage lurking in all cases.
Mythic rarity is not destroying the game. People whine too much for no good reason. Magic is more popular than ever, so keep calm, brew some decks and play some damn cards.
My preferred order for kills:
PRs (either claimed, breadcrumbed, or heavily suspected of, based on behavior)
Veteran players/leader-types
Players who think my teammates and/or I are/am scum
Players who think my teammates and/or I are/am town
Anyone else.
With PRs gone, you effectively neuter the town. With veterans/leaders gone, a lot of players are less confident in their reads, and less people will simply take action. With people who think my team is scum gone, we will have few to no detractors. With people who think we're town gone, well, I've found those are the players most likely to change their mind about you, and they're players with strong opinions one way or another. I think the most efficient way to win as scum is to keep the players who are most easily swayed or have been neither super townie nor super scummy all game alive.
Any thoughts on this? Do you guys have a different kill pecking order?
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Couldn't tell you; never played scum.
Makes sense to me. The only thing I'd worry about at that list, is that you have to actively seek our PR's if there are no veterans. If you can't figure out the PR's, and there are no veterans (which would be hard to do; because usually newcomers spill PR's very easily), you could draw suspicion on yourself if you're going after who thinks you're mafia over and over again.
So I think 1, 2, and then 3 and 4 oscillate back and forth.
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Can anyone remember who wanted to talk to me about my self-restriction? I'm ready to resume that now.
You "fix" this by taking the fifth even as town ,but be honest, that isnt really how the game should be played and the only reason you have to take the fifth as town is to keep your mafia games alive.
That would be like me never looking at a quick topic so that i can be free of all connection to the mafia. it s just bad
Pros: More coordination, real time help with claims, votes and posts.
Cons: None.
ME!!!
First off my issue was not about you no lying it was the hypocrisy of asking Shal to full claim, calling him anti-town for not claiming then holding onto a moral code of not claiming.
I seriouslly kept on looking at your comments about anyone not claiming in full and calling them anti-town as the biggest hypocritical comment that game.
Funny enough I think Shal agreed with me, which made me laugh out loud.
Anyways my point is if you want to hold onto a moral code of not wanting to lie and not wanting to claim to save yourself, then you have no right to ask anyone to claim or tell them they are anti-town for not claiming.
mafia win/lose record
town (12) 6/6
mafia (2) 2/0
Cult (1) 1/0
3rd party (0) 0/0
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@daychat
Mafia basic premisses:
Town strengths
-Numbers
-Open Daytalk
-Lynch
Scum strengths
-More information about the setup
-Secret nightalk
-NK
When mafia has daytalk it greatly change things and mafia get much stronger, heck if the scumteam is coordinated enough, the "quality" of each member turns into the quality of the strongest member, because he will just command everything.
EWP: Considering Axel "limited pointing" to balance setups, daychat certainly is worth a lot of points, I think 5(6?) is a fair number.
Mythic rarity is not destroying the game. People whine too much for no good reason. Magic is more popular than ever, so keep calm, brew some decks and play some damn cards.
@DH: The other problem with not lying and not claiming in the end if you are at L-2 it is because you did something scummy. If you don't claim at all and your a PR, you are hurting the town by not claiming.
mafia win/lose record
town (12) 6/6
mafia (2) 2/0
Cult (1) 1/0
3rd party (0) 0/0
mafia record
Also known at mafiascum as farside22
There's not much to discuss. As DRey said, it's a trust tell. One likely outcome is, if you push "I don't lie" strongly, you will be pushed by the town either state unambiguously "I am town" or get lynched. It's likely to be a detriment to your team no matter what team you're on. That said, I'm not particularly concerned about someone playing in a way that's somewhat detrimental to their team; lord knows we have plenty of people who don't play optimally, and I include myself in that. Some people might get frustrated with it, and some people might dislike the trust tell from an out of game perspective. Others will probably take advantage of it when possible. Others won't care.
Re Daytalk: When I joined the site, I thought it was supposed to be a rare and powerful thing. Either I was mistaken about the rarity or it's become increasingly common; for example, both of my scum games had daytalk. I think it does deserve to be weighted as a significant benefit to scum.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
It was better for Arminaes in the long run to have a heads up for one and for another to rant briefly at his scum buddy.
Also when I used day talk as scum we coordinated voting in end game for the win and scum hammer.
mafia win/lose record
town (12) 6/6
mafia (2) 2/0
Cult (1) 1/0
3rd party (0) 0/0
mafia record
Also known at mafiascum as farside22