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#8072 Mar 17, 2014
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A little more polite next time. B_E.

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Talk to those running the Cross Town Mafia games. They will have the answer. PM them. I believe there 6? in total.

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That hiatus is going well for you

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So, FTQ ?

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It's spreading... good, good...

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Dear whoever I should be talking to,

Over in Mostly Mute, we're having a lot of trouble with malfunctioning smilies, where sometimes they'll work and sometimes not. See this post for an example: http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/outside-magic/mafia/548994-mostly-mute-monk-mafia-day-1?comment=55

Is there something we're doing wrong? While survivable, it's a little problematic for a game that relies on smilies pretty heavily.

Thanks!

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#8079 Mar 25, 2014
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I have an answer!

The issue is punctuation!

Note the :ER:, !:ER: and ~ ~ differences!

This is site-wide issue, so when making smilies, don't forget to add the space! It must be on both sides!

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#8080 Mar 25, 2014
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I noticed that, but there's still a smilie in the post I quoted surrounded by spaces on both ends.

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#8081 Mar 25, 2014
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Test test last because test test

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#8082 Mar 25, 2014
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Ok, odd. I just copy/pasta'd straight from your post, and it worked. Very interesting...

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#8083 Mar 25, 2014
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After investigating with Annorax, I have good news and bad news. First, your post! You broke something in that line where you use the ER examples. At least, that's all we've been able to come up with. That's the good news.
The bad news, it looks like the symbol ^ may be the issue.

We'll keep working on figuring out what's wrong with your post.

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#8084 Mar 25, 2014
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Interesting. Keep me posted.

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Great news! We found the problem. You didn't put a "D" in the sentence after the full stopped

So watch this **** get crazy!

So we're talking :ER:. But this won't work!

But then we keep talking :ER:. And add a d to make work!

Don't ask why. But adding a D does something...

Quick test :ER:. And a d, with a comma?

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#8086 Mar 25, 2014
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Because Ds are awesome!

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#8087 Mar 25, 2014
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Because Ds are awesome!

My wife's nickname is "D", so must be true!

EDIT: I should also note that so far, D is the only letter we know that works. And it MUST be alone. We tried F and that failed. We also tried "dee" and that failed.

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#8088 Mar 25, 2014
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Because that makes sense

I'm trying it for myself.

D :ER:...

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#8089 Mar 25, 2014
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:ER:. Except a not that last

:ER:. Except b not that last
:ER:. Except c not that last
:ER:. Except d not that last
:ER:. Except e not that last
:ER:. Except f not that last
:ER:. Except g not that last
:ER:. Except h not that last
:ER:. Except i not that last
:ER:. Except j not that last
:ER:. Except k not that last
:ER:. Except l not that last
:ER:. Except m not that last
:ER:. Except n not that last
:ER:. Except o not that last
:ER:. Except p not that last
:ER:. Except q not that last
:ER:. Except r not that last
:ER:. Except s not that last
:ER:. Except t not that last
:ER:. Except u not that last
:ER:. Except v not that last
:ER:. Except w not that last
:ER:. Except x not that last
:ER:. Except y not that last
:ER:. Except z not that last

So these are the acceptable letters, D O P and V

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#8091 Mar 25, 2014
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Sounds like a bunch of potential bad porn acronyms.

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Sounds like wants the D.

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As delightful as this conversation is, I feel like we should try to maintain this space for discussions that require Council input. Thanks for understanding.

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#8094 Apr 4, 2014
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To the council:

I think we seriously need to look at the review/game submission process. I have been sitting nearly a MONTH now without any qualified reviewers for my game. I have attempted to mass PM the Specialty/FTQ reviewers and got ignored. The only people who have asked to review is Generic (Who could most likely do it just fine if it was not a specialty,) and masterplum (who is still new to the site.) I think we need to allow people to submit again without reviewers, if only because it seems we lack anything representing an ample amount of reviewers at this point.

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To the council:

I think we seriously need to look at the review/game submission process. I have been sitting nearly a MONTH now without any qualified reviewers for my game. I have attempted to mass PM the Specialty/FTQ reviewers and got ignored. The only people who have asked to review is Generic (Who could most likely do it just fine if it was not a specialty,) and masterplum (who is still new to the site.) I think we need to allow people to submit again without reviewers, if only because it seems we lack anything representing an ample amount of reviewers at this point.

I agree with this - some of the people on there are a bit inactive/flaky, while some good reviewers aren't up on there.

I know I've been trying to look at a couple of Specialties/Minis and trying to get some experience, but that's a pretty haphazard way of doing it.

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Also, to the council:

Why is basic 86 not in signups? It needs to be.

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We should recruit some new reviewers.

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Hmm. I've been taking on more reviewing duties than I have in the past, but there's definitely a decrease in the old core that used to carry that torch.

On the other hand, I still see setups with some really serious ticking time bombs in many of the first drafts, and I wouldn't want those getting through. I'd definitely prefer to add more reviewers to the list.

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Also, to the council:

Why is basic 86 not in signups? It needs to be.

Not the Council's job. Ask the Secretary.

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In regards to reviewing, I feel like I've reviewed 90% of the setups on the hosting list >_> The only reason I'm not offering my hand is because I'd like to be able to play sometime, too. But yes, more reviewers are definitely necessary. Isn't AI in charge of qualifying reviewers?

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Basin 86?

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I think that the most important thing in regards to reviewing is reliable communication between the setup designer and the reviewer. If the reviewer/designer flakes the setup's kind in an awkward spot.

I can recommend:
- Megiddo
- HookerPunch
- Taredas

I've seen them all in action and they do pretty well.

I don't remember anyone being in charge of qualifying reviewers since Xyre left; I remember a long time ago I was qualified to review Basics but my name isn't still on there.

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Last I recall, AI was in charge of approving reviewers before Xyre was - AI approved me for everything except Specialties, and then I got Xyre's approval for the latter.

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Well I'll throw down to review a few Basics and Minis on my end if we need Basic/Mini Reviewers.

As far as specialties and FTQs though... Well I am on the FTQ list by default, but well yeah can't self review.

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Hey guys,

I posted this in the hosting thread and it looks like it got misconstrued by a couple people.

I'm volunteering to be Secretary Pro Temperom until Void comes back. I have a PM in my inbox asking if they can post sign ups. Just need a heads up or "yay" or "nay" here. I apologize if I'm overstepping my bounds; just thought I could be of help.

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I mean, should be fine, go ahead

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I would suggest you need setups to be reviewed by at least two people, one of which is a qualified reviewer.

You do need setup reviews though. Incredibly important

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We have setups reviewed by 2+ qualified reviewers - it's mandatory.

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I know, but it is apparently a problem with getting enough qualified people.

The idea was brought up that some people didn't need reviews, and my suggestion is that everyone still needs reviews, but you could loosen the requirements from two people on a list of qualified people to two people including one from a list of qualified people.

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I know, but it is apparently a problem with getting enough qualified people.

The idea was brought up that some people didn't need reviews, and my suggestion is that everyone still needs reviews, but you could loosen the requirements from two people on a list of qualified people to two people including one from a list of qualified people.

I actually thought that was the rule. I'm in favor of this.

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That seems like a good idea

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I can get behind this as well, as now it will mean we can get even more qualified reviewers, as they will be basically be trained by the qualified reviewer.

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*pokes head in*

Reviewers?

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Yes, we seem to be lacking any active ones ATM, especially at the Specialty/FTQ level.

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I know, but it is apparently a problem with getting enough qualified people.

The idea was brought up that some people didn't need reviews, and my suggestion is that everyone still needs reviews, but you could loosen the requirements from two people on a list of qualified people to two people including one from a list of qualified people.

Make it so. Also, bear in mind that anyone who has previously run an FTQ or PCQ is fair game as a qualified reviewer, per the current rules. For clarity's sake, we could potentially list those people explicitly in the hosting thread.

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#8117 Apr 18, 2014
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Make it so. Also, bear in mind that anyone who has previously run an FTQ or PCQ is fair game as a qualified reviewer, per the current rules. For clarity's sake, we could potentially list those people explicitly in the hosting thread.

That may not be a bad idea actually.

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Hey guys,

I posted this in the hosting thread and it looks like it got misconstrued by a couple people.

I'm volunteering to be Secretary Pro Temperom until Void comes back. I have a PM in my inbox asking if they can post sign ups. Just need a heads up or "yay" or "nay" here. I apologize if I'm overstepping my bounds; just thought I could be of help.

Arn

Missed this on first read-through, that would be terrific.

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#8119 May 4, 2014
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I'd like for this proposal to be revisited:

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With the time it's taking to fill up the most recent Basic, would it be a good idea to switch to two basics running concurrently instead of three?

Keep in mind that the most recent Basic was only filled after substantial offsite help.

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#8120 May 5, 2014
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I remember iRebel's basic having similar trouble filling up. I wonder if the playerbase is a little depleted right now.

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Because of curse.

I could also honestly see two minis at a time as well.

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#8122 May 5, 2014
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Yeah, my basic is really slow filling up. I'm ok with dropping back onto the queue while we wait for another to finish. It feels like 2 is the best option.

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#8123 May 5, 2014
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I'll /barn the above suggestions.

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