MTG Salvation

I can do that. How far back should I go?

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Updating With The New color tags and Moving the Old Signup threads to the Archive.
But if we are listing random things It would be great for have Mafia Sec to work on I would say Player Roster.

Yeah, plan to start that long and arduous process this weekend. I'm also considering (counter to what I thought before), adding closed sign-ups to the new sub and only moving them out if replacements are required as they also tend to clutter up the space. But maybe that's just my perception of things.

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I can do that. How far back should I go?

I would say six months at the most. If they haven't played in the past six months they probably shouldn't be considered active.

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Yeah, plan to start that long and arduous process this weekend. I'm also considering (counter to what I thought before), adding closed sign-ups to the new sub and only moving them out if replacements are required as they also tend to clutter up the space. But maybe that's just my perception of things.

My understanding was that we use the Replacements Request thread for all replacements. So you wouldn't need to move the sign-ups out after they have been closed.

Mostly just the clutter that is the stickies. Some of them can be condensed down. Like the fact that the "Mafia Rules" are in two separate threads and IIRC even say differing things.

Tordeck: Anything that I can do without Mod powers?

atlseal: How about we combine the Player Contact List and Replacement Request thread? The mods can simply use the PCL to contact Replacements.

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atlseal: How about we combine the Player Contact List and Replacement Request thread? The mods can simply use the PCL to contact Replacements.

I cannot endorse this idea enough. I know when I modded Homestuck and ran out of people on the replacement list, I managed to get someone who recently posted about being interested in a basic to replace in, bypassing the fuss of the Replacement Request thread.

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Tordeck: Anything that I can do without Mod powers?

atlseal: How about we combine the Player Contact List and Replacement Request thread? The mods can simply use the PCL to contact Replacements.

Do not want. The whole usefulness of the replacement request thread is that it's the go-to thread. If you collapse it into something else it loses it's effectiveness.

I don't understand. If a player wants to play a game they are usually willing to replace in. Why not just make the lists synonymous for host convenience? We could even have a separate list for replacements.

You're making more work for yourself than necessary, I think.

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You're making more work for yourself than necessary, I think.

I must agree with Zionite on this, Iso. Please do not make too much work for yourself.

Also, what happened to cleaning up the Player Contact List?

I don't understand how I would be making more work for myself. If I let MafiaScribe sit for 2 or 3 weeks it only takes me 20 or 30 minutes to catch the lists up. My suggestion saves space and makes things easier for the hosts. It really would not be a hassle since it would be up to the hosts to contact replacements still.

Void, MafiaScribe nor I have any sort of mod powers or the thread would be cleaned up by now. (I am currently working on solving this, however.)

If I could get some mod power I would do all the cleanups, including thread movement and game title tag, myself.

I asked about MafiaScribe - they said no because they like to know who is responsible for who does what. Since other people know the pass and whatnot. So I will be asking for the power on my own account. To be clear, unless they wanted me to be an enforcer for having the power, I would only use it for maintenance purposes.

I dunno how to make a Wiki. I was just gonna update the Blacklist/Probation/Modkill post with the list of active players.

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I asked about MafiaScribe - they said no because they like to know who is responsible for who does what. Since other people know the pass and whatnot. So I will be asking for the power on my own account. To be clear, unless they wanted me to be an enforcer for having the power, I would only use it for maintenance purposes.

I dunno how to make a Wiki. I was just gonna update the Blacklist/Probation/Modkill post with the list of active players.

Iso, I'm pretty sure there's ways of doing it like you suggested. I've seen it done before. They'd just have to tinker around with permissions and what not.

How hard would it really be to change the pass on the Scribe account and only give the new one to the Council and its Secretary? Making any changes down narrowed down to 6 trusted and elected officials.

And yeah any modlike powers given to it should be only for general maintenance of the cub. Leave the official mod stuff to the real mods. I'm talking basic move, delete, merge, edit powers. No access to the ML or authority to enforce Site rules.

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How hard would it really be to change the pass on the Scribe account and only give the new one to the Council and its Secretary? Making any changes down narrowed down to 6 trusted and elected officials.

That's still a half-dozen people with access, and no way to track who did which particular change. I can see wanting to make sure that any mod-powers are linked to a specific user for accountability.

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I asked about MafiaScribe - they said no because they like to know who is responsible for who does what. Since other people know the pass and whatnot. So I will be asking for the power on my own account. To be clear, unless they wanted me to be an enforcer for having the power, I would only use it for maintenance purposes.

I dunno how to make a Wiki. I was just gonna update the Blacklist/Probation/Modkill post with the list of active players.

Excellent idea, lmk if you need any help convincing people to let you have that.

I support MafiaScribe having thread editing power at the very least.

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Not really an objection, but is it necessary?

It wasn't necessary when Iso got brought in, but I don't think two secretaries is a bad idea.

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I don't think it is but Manders misses helping out, so who am I to deny her? Besides, when things pick up with the League, I may not have so much availability as head judge and all of that. So it may preemptively be a good idea.

By the way, if anyone has any League questions, feel free to shoot me a PM.

This is what I was thinking, and I'd like to request we revisit the request again?

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We'd like to invite you back to participate in games at this point, Manders, but our consensus is that we should wait and move a little less precipitously about moving you back into an official, prominent position in the sub.

After our AIM conversation, I can understand the Council's position. Now that I'm back home again, I probably will play in a game at a time. I'll be really picky about what games I /in, though.

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atlseal: How about we combine the Player Contact List and Replacement Request thread? The mods can simply use the PCL to contact Replacements.

Nah, that's not necessary, but moving the Welcome! post into the Theory thread, making it the first by copying the first, would make sense. Effectively combining the two, but this way ensures the Welcome! post isn't lost in the thread.

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Iso, I'm pretty sure there's ways of doing it like you suggested. I've seen it done before. They'd just have to tinker around with permissions and what not.

Have you? I haven't. Did you see it on this site?

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That's still a half-dozen people with access, and no way to track who did which particular change. I can see wanting to make sure that any mod-powers are linked to a specific user for accountability.

Missed the trusted and elected part did ya? Also technically it would be only 5 as atlseal is a site mod as well as council. not hard to narrow down if the privilege was to be abused. Which with who we are talking about I cant see happening.

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Excellent idea, lmk if you need any help convincing people to let you have that.

I will. They said it's akin to being a World Project Leader and that they're discussing it.

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This is what I was thinking, and I'd like to request we revisit the request again?

Perhaps if I find my Secretary duties overwhelming during the League.

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Nah, that's not necessary, but moving the Welcome! post into the Theory thread, making it the first by copying the first, would make sense. Effectively combining the two, but this way ensures the Welcome! post isn't lost in the thread.

I would still like to see it done (I can do both) and will probably do it if and when I get the permissions to do so.

Iso has been given certain mod powers in this forum (primarily deletion, moving, editing) for clean-up purposes. Hopefully the sub will benefit from this

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Iso has been given certain mod powers in this forum (primarily deletion, moving, editing) for clean-up purposes. Hopefully the sub will benefit from this

With Iso in charge... anything could happen!

I'm sure Iso will do just fine. It will defenitly benefit the sub forum.

Thanks for your support, Void! I won't let you guys down.

How long should a player wait before contacting the council about a game that has possibily been abandoned?

A week, week and a half? What game? Have you contacted the mod?

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A week, week and a half? What game? Have you contacted the mod?

I'm not going into specifics just yet. Thank you for the response though.

And yes, the Mod has been PM'd

P.S. If anybody sees anything they'd like cleaned up in the sub that I'm not already aware of, let me know via PM - I should begin cleanup within a day or two since I'll be able to get to my computer by then.

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How long should a player wait before contacting the council about a game that has possibily been abandoned?

Mod posted in another game that he had been away for a couple days so I dont think its abandoned. Just give it a day.

Please be advised that the Replacement Request Thread has functionally been merged with the Player Contact List as of now.

Where did the list of games needing replacements go? There is no way I will volunteer to replace into anything blindly, but I would consider helping out if I knew the situation.

If a mod requires a replacement, they can post in the Player Contact List, or PM players already signed up in the Player Contact List. In addition, you can sign up to be a replacement in the game's sign-up thread.

Edit: Should I merge the Welcome! OP into the Theory thread, the hosting thread, or leave it untouched? Opinions, please.

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Edit: Should I merge the Welcome! OP into the Theory thread, the hosting thread, or leave it untouched? Opinions, please.

Leave it the way it is, there should be no problem with having 5 stuck threads.

Update on the subforum cleaning:

All sign-up threads have been moved to the "Old Sign-Ups" area. Old threads asking, "how do i play? lol" and "come play on this site!!1" and other such things have been purged. Currently about 2/3 down Page 2 in regards to game labeling. Once I'm done with Page 2, I'm going to sleep.

The problem with the "Welcome" thread, at least the OP, is that it is a rehash to things that are posted in either the Host signup thread or the theory thread.

Its not a matter of having too many stickied threads, Its a matter of needing to to to 5 different places to get one answer.

Edit - Memorable Moments should get stickied.

I'll let the Council decide those.

I would like to start the formal process of being taken off of the probation list. I have completed multiple games with no problems since my status change and would like to request that my name be removed from the hall of shame due to my behavior demonstrating that that game and the choices therein were a freak occurance.

Thank you in advance.

How many games have you completed since, and what games were they?

Council, is it alright if we sticky this: http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=437647 ?

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Council, is it alright if we sticky this: http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=437647 ?

For the time-being, I see no problem with stickifying the thread. I want to explore other avenues as we're running a lot of stickies and I don't know about anyone else, but that just seems/looks wrong to me.

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For the time-being, I see no problem with stickifying the thread. I want to explore other avenues as we're running a lot of stickies and I don't know about anyone else, but that just seems/looks wrong to me.

We could move the sticky'd threads to their own subforum ("Mafia Community Threads" or something along those lines), but I am somewhat concerned about the visibility of certain important threads. Perhaps we should keep the "Welcome to the Mafia Subforum!" thread where it is but ship the rest?

6 stickies isnt that bad. I would combine the Welcome and the Hosting threads as their OPs(could almost go so far as to add the Player/Replacement thread too - this way keeping all the lists to one spot.) have a bit of overlap and raise the Memorable Moments thread to sticky level to maintain at 6.

The replacement/contact list does not need to be merged with the hosting list - that's just gonna create a headache for me.

I don't object to Welcome! and Hosting being combined, though.

Prefix tag colors: It has come to my attention that some people in the sub find the multiple prefix colors an eyesore. Another informal poll, keep them as they are or change all to a uniform color?

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The replacement/contact list does not need to be merged with the hosting list - that's just gonna create a headache for me.

I don't object to Welcome! and Hosting being combined, though.

It actually wouldnt as everything would be in one easy place to find. Maybe a little more time consuming but shouldnt be a headache in the slightest and would help towards cleaning up the sub.


Atl - I like the colors
edit - But a lack of color would mean now you can add the Clan tag for those games to the list.

Trust me, it would be a hassle and a headache, considering I thank posts in the hosting thread (started recently) and delete posts in the replace/contact thread.

I'm fine with the colors.

No offense Iso, but I think its just a matter of you have too much on your plate (RL, Games your in, League starting up, etc) and dont want to ask for help or feel like doing a little extra work here and there. Ive said it before and I'll say it again. A 2nd secretary, one with more time on their hands, would be a great addition to the sub.

Just because he doesn't want to unify every stickied thread and you disagree means we need a second secretary?

I have no issues with the amount of stickied threads and I'm okay with adding more. People should be using the subscription feature for their games anyway.

I like the prefix colors how they are.

Are you guys sure you're not just over-legislating things that don't need changing?

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Just because he doesn't want to unify every stickied thread and you disagree means we need a second secretary?

I have no issues with the amount of stickied threads and I'm okay with adding more. People should be using the subscription feature for their games anyway.

I like the prefix colors how they are.

Are you guys sure you're not just over-legislating things that don't need changing?

The issue really isn't in regards to people that are already playing. It's in regards to new players to the forum. When all the threads 'above the fold' are stickies, I would think it leaves a bad taste in the mouth. Right now, our set of stickies is a disjointed mess.

In regards to the clan game/other game prefix, I'm open to color suggestions (preferably the color hex code) that look reasonable on all skins. As soon as I find one that works well, I can put that request in.