Of course you're not terrible for knowing your limits and sticking to them. But, if you knew that you felt this way, you should never have signed up in the first place.
As always, just my $.02
i like to keep to my limits but i dont want to prevent games from firing in general.
also i didnt know how long itd be for another mini
Inane discussion, no one can be obligued to play nor change opinion as the time passes. /out before the game starts is much preferable than starting the game, reading role PM and asking for a replacement or just disappearing...
Also thanks for coming back Poggy! We are always happy to see returning commited players like you. I hope you never leave again, and find an avatar.:hug:
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The game is not being dumbed down. Control is doing fine; Draw-Go is not the only kind of control. Aggro is doing fine; Red Deck Wins is not the only kind of aggro. Creature combat is an important core concept and belongs in every color. Mythic rarity is not destroying the game. People whine too much for no good reason. Magic is more popular than ever, so keep calm, brew some decks and play some damn cards.
Of course you're not terrible for knowing your limits and sticking to them. But, if you knew that you felt this way, you should never have signed up in the first place.
As always, just my $.02
I was intending to play but the game started way earlier I thought it did, otherwise I'd have left a slot for myself in the game to play in it.
I've replaced out a couple times. Some for medical, some for stress.
I noticed there is a list for keeping track of chronic people who replaced out.
My question is, does replacing in offset the "karma" of having replaced out?
More or less, no. They are two tangential items. Just because someone is willing to help with a game in need does not mean that the player can be relied upon for any given length of time.
In other words, I could theoretically volunteer to replace into every game that was in need of replacements and then just not post. The two really aren't related. One is a measure of your helpfulness, the other a measure of your reliability.
Getting on the "good side" of the replacing out list involves a player demonstrating that they have become more reliable (whether due to maturity or additional time opening up).
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If you're town and I'm mafia, you've already lost. You just don't know it yet.
Well I slightly disagree there. There is no reason not to forgive players on a 1:1 rate of replacing in making up for replacing out. As long as the game lengths are comparable, it might be a good way to fuel replacements.
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so i was told that i had permission to debate this after the game ended and, well, here it is. As some of you may know i was modkilled in Star Trek Voyager mafia for pm quoting. I made a few pms specifically to avoid this. I misinterpretted one and therefore went ahead with a post that i thought was ok.
it was in response to a player asking for the ability that my tracker type role witnessed. I thought this was the entire ability and thought i was able to post it.
for the record this was the pm i supposedly quoted
Suspecting pinkys_brain of not being fully truthful, you decide to take a peek at what she is up to. Utilizing the ship’s sensors from your workstation in Engineering, you follow her as she moves around the ship. Just as she is about to enter a crewmen’s quarters, the sensor system which has been on the fritz since this whole fiasco started cuts out. Bringing up the replay, you can’t see whose quarters she entered. But what’s that in her hand? Zooming in, you see that she is carrying a hypospray…..full of Borg nano-probes!!!!
You have successfully followed Pinkys_brain and have seen her attempt to assimilate someone into the Collective. You know not whom or whether she was successful.
You can no longer use this sensor system
i quoted four words from a very long pm and it wasnt even a direct quote. The two mods attempted to contact some members of the council but were supposedly unsuccsesful. The mods then acted on a third persons advice and decided to modkill me. The very next day(by my time at least ) two of the council members stated that they thought this was a poor idea.
So i guess im left with this request: can some sort of protocol be set up for situations that are as shaky as this? Would it be possible to make it a strong suggestion(much like not using traitor type roles) that mods wait on getting council advice if the situation is not clear cut? A similar situation happened to me way back in Final fantasy mafia, and that game was hurt badly by a forced replacement that hit myself and zionite. I just feel making decisions that affect games this much should have a few more voices.
@manders and tordeck. I know i didnt quote everything and it probably appears that im making this case as beneficial to myself as possible(and i kind of am doing this) so please please please ask me to quote anything you feel i left out. I do not want to be unfair but i wanted to finish this as soon as i could and therefore only fit in my best points.
Poggy while I feel for you as a player(never having been Modkilled my self I cant know for sure how it is but I can imagine, and I know manders has actually felt the sorrow), getting modkilled and losing a game that way sucks. But the bottom line (to me) is that you quoted your PM after 2 warnings, (the game op, and my specific PM to you). And really it wasnt a matter of what you said but the fact that it had occurred a 2nd time. (as was almost a direct copy of the post you were initially warned about).
My personal opinion: You didn't quote the PM at all.
1. The quote is not direct.
2. It was short and gave no info that is the basis behind why PM quoting is in essence banned. Basically it gives no speaking habits or format info.
Plus I've quoted worse then this in several games and I've never been warned or modkilled for this type of "PM Quoting" before.
Of course we didn't know he was quoting his PM and I might have still doubted him. The direct mod interference from you confirmed his role, his results, and his PM quote. You gave us mod-confirmed information which significantly affected the game.
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I dont feel that it should have been warned in the first place. also i really thought that the hydrospray full of borg nanoprobes is what you were upset about.
Honestly, how can four words not even exactly quoted in a game whose flavor has no good synonyms be a candidate for a modkill.
Find me another game that a pm quoting modkill was made for four or less word. I am prepared to eat crow on this if it comes to that but i really doubt it will be found.
I think you got screwed over there, frankly. I have to wonder how 3 different people came to the conclusion that you were PM quoting. Doesn't inspire much confidence.
Of course we didn't know he was quoting his PM and I might have still doubted him. The direct mod interference from you confirmed his role, his results, and his PM quote. You gave us mod-confirmed information which significantly affected the game.
We weighed all the options and in the end determined that his death and the resulting lynch were the least detrimental to the game.
I dont feel that it should have been warned in the first place. also i really thought that the hydrospray full of borg nanoprobes is what you were upset about.
Honestly, how can four words not even exactly quoted in a game whose flavor has no good synonyms be a candidate for a modkill.
Find me another game that a pm quoting modkill was made for four or less word. I am prepared to eat crow on this if it comes to that but i really doubt it will be found.
Assimilate into the Collective
Recruit to the cult/mafia
Force to join the cult/mafia
Be brought into the cult/mafia
Coerced into the cult/mafia
There are 4 without even hitting up a dictionary or thesaurus.
For the record i asked manders if that ability claim was ok and she said no. but upon being pressured by shalako i asked again and this time it was tordeck who responded and he said i could quote just the ability. Being forgetful i forgot manders pm and thought that the full ability name was assimilate into the collective. From that massive initial pm i assumed this was the case.
Assimilate into the Collective
Recruit to the cult/mafia
Force to join the cult/mafia
Be brought into the cult/mafia
Coerced into the cult/mafia
There are 4 without even hitting up a dictionary or thesaurus.
When in doubt PM the mod. And I dont mean
"Hey what can I say?"
More to
"Hey is it ok if I say ..........?"
your claims are cool and all but they sound so artificial. You put one of your players into a position where he has to sound awkward and fake, when making a tracker claim. REALLY???
i stated before that i wouldnt have to ask what i could say if you didnt restrict me in such a draconian manner
Modkilling poggy for using the phrase 'assimilate into the collective' is completely ridiculous, to put it plainly. It is a Borg recruitment, there is literally nothing else that the ability could be called. I'm disappointed.
The warnings I got at least made sense. I was actually breaking game rules by discussing Cyberpunk just before it ended. (To be fair, it was the only meta I had to use against Iso and I felt it was important to this game. Also to be fair, it was still against the rules and I deserved my warning.)
poggy didn't even directly quote. Even if he had, killing him gave the town a lot of confirmed information and disrupted play far more than a partial PM quote would have.
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I'm so upset by how this went down that I am actually willing to agree with Cyan. The set-up was broken and this mod action finished the job of ruining the game. A 4-word paraphrase is not quoting a PM.
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I'm so upset by how this went down that I am actually willing to agree with Cyan. The set-up was broken and this mod action finished the job of ruining the game. A 4-word paraphrase is not quoting a PM.
Sometimes a setup is just messed up. Hopefully tordeck will eventually come to terms with this(especially seeing as how he seems to have admitted to AI that the setup was messed up to begin with), and next time he'll learn from his mistakes.
This seems to have been tordeck's first game, and he was just a little too attached to it. He'll learn.
Modkilling poggy for using the phrase 'assimilate into the collective' is completely ridiculous, to put it plainly. It is a Borg recruitment, there is literally nothing else that the ability could be called. I'm disappointed.
Call it first time modding jitters if you want but I played the games rules to the letter. He quoted, was warned, did so again, was dead.
The more I look into this there is absolutely zero reason to modkill poggy here. I am extremely disappointed that this went down. This wasn't even ruling to the letter this was completely misinterpreting why we have modkills for Pm quoting and then being extremely zealous for something that wasn't even PM quoting no matter how I look at it.
Sorry for the venom, but judicious modkilling for trivial reasons is something I feel is very harmful to a game and I feel this is a cut and dry case of this.
Yeah, I'd have to agree that this was a pretty bad modkill. The rule against PM quoting is there so that players can't use exact wording and/or style to try to assert that what they're posting must be from a genuine PM. It doesn't seem that poggydude ever did that, or that the other players thought that was the point he was trying to argue. It's neither necessary nor useful to enforce the rule to a level of stringency where you're basically telling your players, "if you want to discuss your ability results, fine, but you'd better run them through a thesaurus first."
It was the modkill itself that "confirmed" his ability results were genuine, so I'd say your intervention here ran directly counter to the purpose you were trying to achieve. It's only worth shooting yourself in the foot like that if the player in question is flagrantly violating the rules, whereas this was not so clear cut.
That being said, it was your call to make and you made it. While I would certainly encourage game mods to seek advice from experienced sources like the council if they're unsure of what action to take, they should never feel that their decisions are subject to outside approval from such people.
Yeah, I'd have to agree that this was a pretty bad modkill. The rule against PM quoting is there so that players can't use exact wording and/or style to try to assert that what they're posting must be from a genuine PM. It doesn't seem that poggydude ever did that, or that the other players thought that was the point he was trying to make. It's not neither necessary nor useful to enforce the rule to a level of stringency where you're basically telling your players, "if you want to discuss your ability results, fine, but you'd better run them through a thesaurus first."
It was the modkill itself that "confirmed" his ability results were genuine, so I'd say your intervention here ran directly counter to the purpose you were trying to achieve. It's only worth shooting yourself in the foot like that if the player in question is flagrantly violating the rules, whereas this was not so clear cut.
That being said, it was your call to make and you made it. While I would certainly encourage game mods to seek advice from experienced sources like the council if they're unsure of what action to take, they should never feel that their decisions are subject to outside approval from such people.
I'll defer to arimnaes's wisdom on this topic. I was extremely upset when I first saw the modkill, but have since come to terms with the fact that game hosts, like all people, may make mistakes under pressure.
I'll also reiterate my apology over my subpar performance reviewing the game in question.
So the issue for the mafia council, as far as I understand it, is whether this modkill should count against poggydude's record. I personally am of the opinion that this modkill was not a great decision and that poggydude should have his record expunged of it. Am I missing anything here?
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So the issue for the mafia council, as far as I understand it, is whether this modkill should count against poggydude's record. I personally am of the opinion that this modkill was not a great decision and that poggydude should have his record expunged of it. Am I missing anything here?
i was asking for a system to be setup that would prevent such an occurence from happening again. ariminaes seems against it(he is as of yet the only one to address this part of my post).
i didnt specifically ask for it to be expunged although since our side technically didnt win and im pretty sure no one will use it for blacklist/probation purposes getting it overturned doesnt seem to matter much at this point
I don't know if there is any good way to prevent this. Ultimately, the game moderator is the rule enforcer and has the power to decide what needs to happen in their games. It's hard for any outside source to act with the necessary swiftness and an outside source would almost certainly lack the complete context and understanding that the actual game mod has.
All I would suggest personally is not playing with moderators who behave like that. I'm currently debating whether I should blacklist games hosted by tordeck myself, or whether he should be given another chance first. (But that's a personal issue, not a council one.)
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I think this is something that has to be addressed. It has happened once which means it could happen again.
My best solution is to create a PM to send out to players before they mod explaining general guidelines on how to modkilling, interpret PM quoting, replacements, etc. so that we can have at least have some consistency.
I think this is something that has to be addressed. It has happened once which means it could happen again.
My best solution is to create a PM to send out to players before they mod explaining general guidelines on how to modkilling, interpret PM quoting, replacements, etc. so that we can have at least have some consistency.
this also happened o me for final fantasy mafia which was considered a bad decision in retrospect, although i think the council backed that one.
(Also sorry poggy we had an error there. I was asking for the ability name of PB because that's what you said your ability did.)
Even if this were true(it's not, he left out a word to make sure that he wasn't quoting word for word..learn to read baddie), quoting one line of your role PM that is just a description of the ability that you are claiming to have seen shouldn't result in a modkill anyway.
People get all up in arms over PM quoting and don't even understand why they need to. It's a joke. PM quoting is a big deal with people use PMs from the Mod to provide incontrovertible proof that the Mod told them something. This was very obviously not the case here. It would have taken approximately 5 seconds of critical thinking about the situation to realize this.
I never said it was. I said it was not "quoting word for word." Which is what he is accused of doing. In a literal sense, he did change the wording by removing a word.
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Actually it is paraphrasing as he wasn't quoting it. By changing one word or removing one word you are no longer quoting and instead are by definition paraphrasing.
Paraphrase - a restatement of a text or passage giving the meaning in another form, as for clearness; rewording.
Removing 1 word from a sentence is not paraphrasing.
Quoting-Repeat or copy out (a group of words from a text or speech), typically with an indication that one is not the original author or speaker.
This wasnt a direct copy. I actually fit your defintion of paraphrasing. It may not be to the extent that you wanted but it was actually paraphrasing. Please explain exactly how you are continuing to hold your position.
Modkilling poggy for using the phrase 'assimilate into the collective' is completely ridiculous, to put it plainly. It is a Borg recruitment, there is literally nothing else that the ability could be called. I'm disappointed.
Actually it is paraphrasing as he wasn't quoting it. By changing one word or removing one word you are no longer quoting and instead are by definition paraphrasing.
I already know Az is going to disagree. Taking one word out is not a rephrasing. I do think modkilling over this was extreme. If someone ask you about results is difficult.
If for example a mod doesn't use flavor like this and says:
you tracked X to Y and saw he went to Z.
The person claims:
I tracked X to Y and he went to Z.
Not much changed and almost is a quote of the mod. That is why I think some things like this need to be watched out for. I would not modkill someone who stated the above. But we add flavor to the PM and everyone gets all jittery on what words you can and can not use.
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i used my ability that lets me figure out what ability a player used and pinkys brain used hydrospray with borg nanoprobes to try to assimilate someone
Hence why I said, "Star Trek injecter thingie" above. Then again, that still reads as a flavorful paraphrase. I'd love for someone like zindabad, a school teacher by trade, to come in and say if poggy's post after reading tordeck's PM about the hypospray would constitute plagerism in an acedemic setting.
That's the test that all of this needs applied to it.
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Hence why I said, "Star Trek injecter thingie" above. Then again, that still reads as a flavorful paraphrase. I'd love for someone like zindabad, a school teacher by trade, to come in and say if poggy's post after reading tordeck's PM about the hypospray would constitute plagerism in an acedemic setting.
That's the test that all of this needs applied to it.
hold on, lemme bust out my MLA citation guideline... you realize that the particular standard you want used is clunky for this instance right?
hold on, lemme bust out my MLA citation guideline... you realize that the particular standard you want used is clunky for this instance right?
I do. Which is why I want to know if it would pass.
See, I agree with you that your Modkill was bad. I think the reason for that, though, has more to do with why modkilling for PM qouting exists. You could have rephrased more vaguely (as demonstrated by me) but did what you did clear you by way of how it was phrased/copied/restated? Nah. And that is why you shouldn't have been killed.
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i like to keep to my limits but i dont want to prevent games from firing in general.
also i didnt know how long itd be for another mini
Also thanks for coming back Poggy! We are always happy to see returning commited players like you. I hope you never leave again, and find an avatar.:hug:
Mythic rarity is not destroying the game. People whine too much for no good reason. Magic is more popular than ever, so keep calm, brew some decks and play some damn cards.
I noticed there is a list for keeping track of chronic people who replaced out.
My question is, does replacing in offset the "karma" of having replaced out?
More or less, no. They are two tangential items. Just because someone is willing to help with a game in need does not mean that the player can be relied upon for any given length of time.
In other words, I could theoretically volunteer to replace into every game that was in need of replacements and then just not post. The two really aren't related. One is a measure of your helpfulness, the other a measure of your reliability.
Getting on the "good side" of the replacing out list involves a player demonstrating that they have become more reliable (whether due to maturity or additional time opening up).
Hmm. Should we alter the replacement list to simply reflect points instead of when they replaced out?Disregard this, on second thought. There shouldn't be more motivation required for players who replace in than to aid the health of the subforum.
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this was the exact post
it was in response to a player asking for the ability that my tracker type role witnessed. I thought this was the entire ability and thought i was able to post it.
for the record this was the pm i supposedly quoted
i quoted four words from a very long pm and it wasnt even a direct quote. The two mods attempted to contact some members of the council but were supposedly unsuccsesful. The mods then acted on a third persons advice and decided to modkill me. The very next day(by my time at least ) two of the council members stated that they thought this was a poor idea.
So i guess im left with this request: can some sort of protocol be set up for situations that are as shaky as this? Would it be possible to make it a strong suggestion(much like not using traitor type roles) that mods wait on getting council advice if the situation is not clear cut? A similar situation happened to me way back in Final fantasy mafia, and that game was hurt badly by a forced replacement that hit myself and zionite. I just feel making decisions that affect games this much should have a few more voices.
@manders and tordeck. I know i didnt quote everything and it probably appears that im making this case as beneficial to myself as possible(and i kind of am doing this) so please please please ask me to quote anything you feel i left out. I do not want to be unfair but i wanted to finish this as soon as i could and therefore only fit in my best points.
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1. The quote is not direct.
2. It was short and gave no info that is the basis behind why PM quoting is in essence banned. Basically it gives no speaking habits or format info.
Plus I've quoted worse then this in several games and I've never been warned or modkilled for this type of "PM Quoting" before.
Honestly, how can four words not even exactly quoted in a game whose flavor has no good synonyms be a candidate for a modkill.
Find me another game that a pm quoting modkill was made for four or less word. I am prepared to eat crow on this if it comes to that but i really doubt it will be found.
We weighed all the options and in the end determined that his death and the resulting lynch were the least detrimental to the game.
Assimilate into the Collective
Recruit to the cult/mafia
Force to join the cult/mafia
Be brought into the cult/mafia
Coerced into the cult/mafia
There are 4 without even hitting up a dictionary or thesaurus.
When in doubt PM the mod. And I dont mean
"Hey what can I say?"
More to
"Hey is it ok if I say ..........?"
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your claims are cool and all but they sound so artificial. You put one of your players into a position where he has to sound awkward and fake, when making a tracker claim. REALLY???
i stated before that i wouldnt have to ask what i could say if you didnt restrict me in such a draconian manner
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poggy didn't even directly quote. Even if he had, killing him gave the town a lot of confirmed information and disrupted play far more than a partial PM quote would have.
it was four words, and on top of it i left out the word someone.
If you want to be strict in your definitions it was a paraphrase
Sometimes a setup is just messed up. Hopefully tordeck will eventually come to terms with this(especially seeing as how he seems to have admitted to AI that the setup was messed up to begin with), and next time he'll learn from his mistakes.
This seems to have been tordeck's first game, and he was just a little too attached to it. He'll learn.
I agree as well.
The more I look into this there is absolutely zero reason to modkill poggy here. I am extremely disappointed that this went down. This wasn't even ruling to the letter this was completely misinterpreting why we have modkills for Pm quoting and then being extremely zealous for something that wasn't even PM quoting no matter how I look at it.
Sorry for the venom, but judicious modkilling for trivial reasons is something I feel is very harmful to a game and I feel this is a cut and dry case of this.
It was the modkill itself that "confirmed" his ability results were genuine, so I'd say your intervention here ran directly counter to the purpose you were trying to achieve. It's only worth shooting yourself in the foot like that if the player in question is flagrantly violating the rules, whereas this was not so clear cut.
That being said, it was your call to make and you made it. While I would certainly encourage game mods to seek advice from experienced sources like the council if they're unsure of what action to take, they should never feel that their decisions are subject to outside approval from such people.
I'll defer to arimnaes's wisdom on this topic. I was extremely upset when I first saw the modkill, but have since come to terms with the fact that game hosts, like all people, may make mistakes under pressure.
I'll also reiterate my apology over my subpar performance reviewing the game in question.
LOL
i was asking for a system to be setup that would prevent such an occurence from happening again. ariminaes seems against it(he is as of yet the only one to address this part of my post).
i didnt specifically ask for it to be expunged although since our side technically didnt win and im pretty sure no one will use it for blacklist/probation purposes getting it overturned doesnt seem to matter much at this point
All I would suggest personally is not playing with moderators who behave like that. I'm currently debating whether I should blacklist games hosted by tordeck myself, or whether he should be given another chance first. (But that's a personal issue, not a council one.)
My best solution is to create a PM to send out to players before they mod explaining general guidelines on how to modkilling, interpret PM quoting, replacements, etc. so that we can have at least have some consistency.
this also happened o me for final fantasy mafia which was considered a bad decision in retrospect, although i think the council backed that one.
Problem solved. That being said, this Modkill needs to be investigated, and not because of tordeck. Basically, inb4 DRey gets here, all fired up.
This kill was bad on mre than one level, and we need to have clearer rules on paraphrasing situationally.
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What's the problem?
(Also sorry poggy we had an error there. I was asking for the ability name of PB because that's what you said your ability did.)
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Even if this were true(it's not, he left out a word to make sure that he wasn't quoting word for word..learn to read baddie), quoting one line of your role PM that is just a description of the ability that you are claiming to have seen shouldn't result in a modkill anyway.
People get all up in arms over PM quoting and don't even understand why they need to. It's a joke. PM quoting is a big deal with people use PMs from the Mod to provide incontrovertible proof that the Mod told them something. This was very obviously not the case here. It would have taken approximately 5 seconds of critical thinking about the situation to realize this.
I gave him the ability name to use on its own. He failed to do so.
removing one word is not paraphrasing.
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I never said it was. I said it was not "quoting word for word." Which is what he is accused of doing. In a literal sense, he did change the wording by removing a word.
The Family
Actually it is paraphrasing as he wasn't quoting it. By changing one word or removing one word you are no longer quoting and instead are by definition paraphrasing.
Removing 1 word from a sentence is not paraphrasing.
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Quoting-Repeat or copy out (a group of words from a text or speech), typically with an indication that one is not the original author or speaker.
This wasnt a direct copy. I actually fit your defintion of paraphrasing. It may not be to the extent that you wanted but it was actually paraphrasing. Please explain exactly how you are continuing to hold your position.
Agreed
What did he quote the first time that he was warned about?
I already know Az is going to disagree. Taking one word out is not a rephrasing. I do think modkilling over this was extreme. If someone ask you about results is difficult.
If for example a mod doesn't use flavor like this and says:
you tracked X to Y and saw he went to Z.
The person claims:
I tracked X to Y and he went to Z.
Not much changed and almost is a quote of the mod. That is why I think some things like this need to be watched out for. I would not modkill someone who stated the above. But we add flavor to the PM and everyone gets all jittery on what words you can and can not use.
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this was my warned post
Hence why I said, "Star Trek injecter thingie" above. Then again, that still reads as a flavorful paraphrase. I'd love for someone like zindabad, a school teacher by trade, to come in and say if poggy's post after reading tordeck's PM about the hypospray would constitute plagerism in an acedemic setting.
That's the test that all of this needs applied to it.
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hold on, lemme bust out my MLA citation guideline... you realize that the particular standard you want used is clunky for this instance right?
See, I agree with you that your Modkill was bad. I think the reason for that, though, has more to do with why modkilling for PM qouting exists. You could have rephrased more vaguely (as demonstrated by me) but did what you did clear you by way of how it was phrased/copied/restated? Nah. And that is why you shouldn't have been killed.
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