This is sad. I've made my case, and I think it's strong enough that I don't anticipate changing my vote toDay. Others need to contribute, or, if that's just too much work, they need to weigh in on Wheat (or me, I suppose). I think Wheat is the better choice over Nyxu at this point.
This is sad. I've made my case, and I think it's strong enough that I don't anticipate changing my vote toDay. Others need to contribute, or, if that's just too much work, they need to weigh in on Wheat (or me, I suppose). I think Wheat is the better choice over Nyxu at this point.
something irks me about Wheat's flipflopping on cantrip. I mean I know I said I thought he was wrong about him, but I sort of would have expected some back and forth about it before he retracted his scum read.
at any rate all 3 of my suspects are being voted now. I still need to review interactions to decide the best lynch today. should have time this afternoon.
Explain to me how swishh not providing content when he even said he might not have time is scummy, given that he hasn't posted yet since having made that post.
WG you and I played the same mafia game, right? Delay tactics are the overarching scum meta on this site. He promises content. He does not deliver.
He delays and defers and does not deliver. Or do you forget that post 344 he promised content- a case against you even- but did not deliver.
WG you and I played the same mafia game, right? Delay tactics are the overarching scum meta on this site. He promises content. He does not deliver.
He delays and defers and does not deliver. Or do you forget that post 344 he promised content- a case against you even- but did not deliver.
The way I see it:
344: He starts with a case on Annorax. Cases being time-consuming, he decides to come back to me later. The wagon against Annorax moves forward to claim range. Either he decided he didn't need to post a case on me when the wagon on his other scum read was moving sufficiently fast, or he just plain forgot by the next day.
His promised content on you: There was only one post in-between, and he mentioned there that he didn't have time right then to do the other promised content on his three wagons.
His promised content on his 3 wagons: He hasn't posted since then so it's null because anything can suddenly come up.
I think you are trying to push suspicion on swishh with a bad meta case. Not even player meta, but site meta.
WG you and I played the same mafia game, right? Delay tactics are the overarching scum meta on this site. He promises content. He does not deliver.
He delays and defers and does not deliver. Or do you forget that post 344 he promised content- a case against you even- but did not deliver.
The way I see it:
344: He starts with a case on Annorax. Cases being time-consuming, he decides to come back to me later. The wagon against Annorax moves forward to claim range. Either he decided he didn't need to post a case on me when the wagon on his other scum read was moving sufficiently fast, or he just plain forgot by the next day.
His promised content on you: There was only one post in-between, and he mentioned there that he didn't have time right then to do the other promised content on his three wagons.
His promised content on his 3 wagons: He hasn't posted since then so it's null because anything can suddenly come up.
I think you are trying to push suspicion on swishh with a bad meta case. Not even player meta, but site meta.
FOS without vote placed is a "global" meta scumtell, how is the single most effective way of killing town momentum in a forum game any different? I'm calling into question his behaviour and it is not for -you- to defend him.
all right. Here's the deal. I've been doing landscaping and manual labor this month and have not had access to a computer. I will return to my usual desk job on Wednesday and will be able to provide consistent content. two things continue to bother me: Wheat's insistence that I'm town and Nyxu's that I'm scum.
MRHBlue has been forcibly replaced out due to not responding to a prod within 48 hours. I am currently looking for a replacement and will post when such replacement has been made. Deadline will be extended dependent on when I find a replacement.
This is sad. I've made my case, and I think it's strong enough that I don't anticipate changing my vote toDay. Others need to contribute, or, if that's just too much work, they need to weigh in on Wheat (or me, I suppose). I think Wheat is the better choice over Nyxu at this point.
I agree. I'm surprised the Day is still going, in fact. More than half of the players aren't voting, and this game has grinded to a halt.
I don't like the vote on swishh. If he's scum, well played, but he's first on the Annorax wagon; seriously doubt that he could be scum. He's been a solid town read all game, though paranoia is fickle.
I'm still confident on a Wheat_Grinder lynch. I don't think there is anything else to discuss today.
I've seen many situations where someone says those words, and almost always they flip town.
Ugh. Is there a world where Wheat_Grinder and Cantripmancer are both town?
I understand that I'm going back on my "end the day" stance, but I'm going to go back to my gut reads. I'll probably have something by the end of today.
I just might be fine with a Nyxu or MRHBlue lynch.
*sigh*. This game is sapping the energy out of me.
I think Nyxu is fishing for public opinion with his last few pots to see who he can get lynched. He voted swishh to see if he could rouse any support against him, and now he's trying to do the same on Cantrip.
I think Nyxu is fishing for public opinion with his last few pots to see who he can get lynched. He voted swishh to see if he could rouse any support against him, and now he's trying to do the same on Cantrip.
You sound a vulture. I voted swishh because he had not provided content. I explained this. Had I been trying to see who I could get lynched would I not have voted you? Would I not have pushed the already existing wagon? I asked Incognito his opinion because the existing dichotomy between you and Cantripmancer is "One is scum". He now brings up the notion that both you and cantrip are town. I want to know why he's considering this, and if he's considered what is plainly a valid possibility.
I think Nyxu is fishing for public opinion with his last few pots to see who he can get lynched. He voted swishh to see if he could rouse any support against him, and now he's trying to do the same on Cantrip.
You sound a vulture. I voted swishh because he had not provided content. I explained this. Had I been trying to see who I could get lynched would I not have voted you? Would I not have pushed the already existing wagon? I asked Incognito his opinion because the existing dichotomy between you and Cantripmancer is "One is scum". He now brings up the notion that both you and cantrip are town. I want to know why he's considering this, and if he's considered what is plainly a valid possibility.
Swishh still hasn't provided content. Why did you unvote?
You know I can get lynched already.
That's not seeing who all you can get lynched.
Why do you believe Cantrip and I to be a dichotomy?
I unvoted because he responded, as I said so when I unvoted.
Why would I not lynch you outright and move on to night phase to get that much closer to victory?
I'm on 60/page, and there is at least a full page of nothing but dissected quotewalls between you and Cantripmancer. Do you suddenly believe that there isn't a dichotomy? A lot of what I read points to there being one.
I unvoted because he responded, as I said so when I unvoted.
But he still hasn't provided content. Why are you content (oh ho ho) with that?
Why would I not lynch you outright and move on to night phase to get that much closer to victory?
You don't want the attention of the hammer vote, and besides, you need to dissuade people who think you are scum if I flip town first.
I'm on 60/page, and there is at least a full page of nothing but dissected quotewalls between you and Cantripmancer. Do you suddenly believe that there isn't a dichotomy? A lot of what I read points to there being one.
Yes I suddenly believe there is no dichotomy, haven't you been reading the game?
I unvoted because he responded, as I said so when I unvoted.
But he still hasn't provided content. Why are you content (oh ho ho) with that?
Why would I not lynch you outright and move on to night phase to get that much closer to victory?
You don't want the attention of the hammer vote, and besides, you need to dissuade people who think you are scum if I flip town first.
I'm on 60/page, and there is at least a full page of nothing but dissected quotewalls between you and Cantripmancer. Do you suddenly believe that there isn't a dichotomy? A lot of what I read points to there being one.
Yes I suddenly believe there is no dichotomy, haven't you been reading the game?
Haven't you ever seen a town v. town slapfight?
I voted to get his reaction. Keeping my vote on him accomplishes nothing further because his answer makes some sense and he's given himself a deadline.
So what course of action isn't scummy in this situation, Wheat? Saying and doing nothing? (Oh wait that's scummy too)
Have been reading the game. I'd appreciate you quoting where you decided that you and Cantrip are both town.
I'm not eschewing the possibility of Town V Town. I'm only asking Incognito's view on the situation if you are, to him, town. I for one find this badgering scummy- your tune changed rather suddenly when you had a banner of Incognito's scrutiny on me to hide behind.
If the AC repair dude doesn't show up bright and early tomorrow, I'm gonna borrow some of DDS' dental tools to carve out his eye sockets like jack o lanterns.
I'm on 60/page, and there is at least a full page of nothing but dissected quotewalls between you and Cantripmancer. Do you suddenly believe that there isn't a dichotomy? A lot of what I read points to there being one.
Almost never, ever, ever will you find 7 town in a row on a town lynch.
If he flips town I'll be willing to reread swishh.
...? I can only assume you're talking about i-robot's wagon, which has--last I checked--four unknown alignments on it, including the first vote, which is Wheat. I can understand you thinking that there has to be scum on that wagon, but why, if your now-primary suspect flips town, would you turn to swishh over Wheat?
I hate this suspense. If Wheat's really town, I'm going to be so disappointed.
EBWODP: Oh, and Wheat, I guess I would be willing to reread MRH, but I don't see the point if you're scum, because you never would have gone after MRH that way as scum.
This is sad. I've made my case, and I think it's strong enough that I don't anticipate changing my vote toDay. Others need to contribute, or, if that's just too much work, they need to weigh in on Wheat (or me, I suppose). I think Wheat is the better choice over Nyxu at this point.
I agree. I'm surprised the Day is still going, in fact. More than half of the players aren't voting, and this game has grinded to a halt.
I don't like the vote on swishh. If he's scum, well played, but he's first on the Annorax wagon; seriously doubt that he could be scum. He's been a solid town read all game, though paranoia is fickle.
I'm still confident on a Wheat_Grinder lynch. I don't think there is anything else to discuss today.
I'm a little confused on the swing from this post...to 3 posts later (next quote). WG had already offered his 'self-sacrifice' option. Was this time enough to sway you or did you reread and find more to go on?
I just might be fine with a Nyxu or MRHBlue lynch.
What will either of them flipping town/scum indicate to you? Which is scum front runner? (You voted since I began this post) So, what will Nyxu's alignment show us?
If your scum read of me was POE based on scum!wg then why would an mrh/Nyx team work with town!wg (which would mean the POE read on me would be null or town)
How does it not? I answered a hypothetical question with a direct answer. Instead of just being vague and answering with a maybe or not really...I gave the best answer I could. If the question had been "can Incognito/someone else be scumteam", I would still answer with probably not unless scenario X. That doesn't mean my true read IS scenario X, but that would be a possibility merited by a less likely scenario. You are making it sound like I claimed that as my read. To further that same hypothetical I answered that you questioned, if WG and Cantrip is actually a town Vs town battle for this specific "scenario X," MRH/Nyxu is more likely. Thus giving a more complete answer for the question posed.
This is, however, Scenario X for me right now though because I don't see a true dissolution of WG/Cantrip dichotomy. WG has backed off (could be real, could be a ploy), but Cantrip is sticking to his guns on this. Someone else weigh in some on this topic please. It could just as easily be him accepting the inevitable as much as it could be true town sentiment. Annorax voted himself too...but granted that was probably done to cut off discussion. Will this dichotomy be a huge elephant in the room tomorrow if we don't deal with it today?
WG you and I played the same mafia game, right? Delay tactics are the overarching scum meta on this site. He promises content. He does not deliver.
He delays and defers and does not deliver. Or do you forget that post 344 he promised content- a case against you even- but did not deliver.
Could the same (but less specific) argument not work about you? Up until last couple days to a week, my read on you was based on what interactions were there and being very lurky, not giving input. Pretty sure you have promised content that was not provided. I'll dredge that up if necessary.
I've seen many situations where someone says those words, and almost always they flip town.
And why is it impossible for scum to say this to avoid being lynched?
/barn this. Especially since this day has progressed so long, it is not to far of a reach to see someone change a strategy. Could just be he saw combatting Cantrip straight up wasn't winning town points, switch to agreeing with him?
Nyxu is making me feel less warm and cozy, but I'm not sure he is our best lynch today. What would his flip indicate either way. Would it give us stronger evidence than a WG flip? My initial interactions had him mostly as PoE. Not really enough to nail down a scum partner...
@Incognito & Swishh: what are your scum teams if Nyxu flips Town/Scum? What if WG is lynched and flips Town/Scum? Which gives better answers regardless of flip? We lose if we mislynch and don't get good info from flips.
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I voted to get his reaction. Keeping my vote on him accomplishes nothing further because his answer makes some sense and he's given himself a deadline.
So who do you think is scum right now?
So what course of action isn't scummy in this situation, Wheat? Saying and doing nothing? (Oh wait that's scummy too)
I'm saying what you did is scummy.
Have been reading the game. I'd appreciate you quoting where you decided that you and Cantrip are both town.
I was ignoring it for awhile (partly because of fighting Cantrip, partly because I thought evidence pointed away from you being scum) but I can ignore it no longer.
You care *way* too much about your public perception.
On the other hand, Cantrip is making too much fuss about me to actually be scum (despite what I said earlier about that being the defense he'll make).
I no longer think Cantrip is scum, but rather Nyxu. I advocate the lynches of MRH and Nyxu now. I think that Cantripmancer should still be examined carefully, but I advocate even more care when examining Nyxu.
I was ignoring it for awhile (partly because of fighting Cantrip, partly because I thought evidence pointed away from you being scum) but I can ignore it no longer.
You care *way* too much about your public perception.
On the other hand, Cantrip is making too much fuss about me to actually be scum (despite what I said earlier about that being the defense he'll make).
I no longer think Cantrip is scum, but rather Nyxu. I advocate the lynches of MRH and Nyxu now. I think that Cantripmancer should still be examined carefully, but I advocate even more care when examining Nyxu.
Almost never, ever, ever will you find 7 town in a row on a town lynch.
I think your reasoning here is fallacious.
I see. So you dropped Cantrip (Which was a protracted contest of butting heads that you didn't seem to make progress in) and picked up myself (the admittedly lurky early-game replace that has since fallen under scrutiny by the more-or-less-confirmed town, incognito).
The dichotomy, however, was established. You deciding that it no longer suited you to maintain it does not dissolve the link you formed.
My Current Scumreads are you and potentially swishh. You established a fight between yourself and Cantrip and were about to hit the gallows for it, but upon a new opportunity arising to lynch someone else you proclaim yourself a willing martyr for the town cause while casting suspicions onto me. You aren't willing to be lynched, you're willing to make dangerous plays.
Swishh is leaning scummy because of his consistent delay tactics. I want to highlight the difference between being lurky and bad and delay tactics here because some people seem to have them confused:
A bad, lurky play is to simply not post, or post very little. The game can potentially be slowed by this but oftentimes your input is not truly missed and the game continues without you.
Delay tactics are promising reads and content within a timeframe then simply failing to deliver, or only partially doing so. If there is a case on a player pending, oftentimes other players will either avoid writing up their own or wait to post their findings to cross-reference with the new content. When people wait for posts that are intentionally withheld, the game is ground to a halt and stagnates. A stagnant town grows complacent or disinterested. An engaged, active town means more interactions and more discussion. Which state (of the town) benefits which faction should be obvious.
If your scum read of me was POE based on scum!wg then why would an mrh/Nyx team work with town!wg (which would mean the POE read on me would be null or town)
How does it not? I answered a hypothetical question with a direct answer. Instead of just being vague and answering with a maybe or not really...I gave the best answer I could. If the question had been "can Incognito/someone else be scumteam", I would still answer with probably not unless scenario X. That doesn't mean my true read IS scenario X, but that would be a possibility merited by a less likely scenario. You are making it sound like I claimed that as my read. To further that same hypothetical I answered that you questioned, if WG and Cantrip is actually a town Vs town battle for this specific "scenario X," MRH/Nyxu is more likely. Thus giving a more complete answer for the question posed.
This is, however, Scenario X for me right now though because I don't see a true dissolution of WG/Cantrip dichotomy. WG has backed off (could be real, could be a ploy), but Cantrip is sticking to his guns on this. Someone else weigh in some on this topic please. It could just as easily be him accepting the inevitable as much as it could be true town sentiment. Annorax voted himself too...but granted that was probably done to cut off discussion. Will this dichotomy be a huge elephant in the room tomorrow if we don't deal with it today?
WG you and I played the same mafia game, right? Delay tactics are the overarching scum meta on this site. He promises content. He does not deliver.
He delays and defers and does not deliver. Or do you forget that post 344 he promised content- a case against you even- but did not deliver.
Could the same (but less specific) argument not work about you? Up until last couple days to a week, my read on you was based on what interactions were there and being very lurky, not giving input. Pretty sure you have promised content that was not provided. I'll dredge that up if necessary.
Thank you for making sense of the Town!WG / Scum!WG line of thought.
Please see above re: Lurk v Delay.
If you have any posts where I promised specific content or questions asked of me directly that I did not answer that you still want answered/provided link/quote them. I don't believe I gave myself deadlines this game that I did not keep. If I'm wrong I'd like to see what I've missed.
It doesn't, nor does it preclude town v. scum. I'm curious as to why Incognito is only considering one of the possibilities (town v. town) at this point. I am not saying, nor have I ever said, that Cantrip v. WG cannot be town v. town.
It doesn't, nor does it preclude town v. scum. I'm curious as to why Incognito is only considering one of the possibilities (town v. town) at this point. I am not saying, nor have I ever said, that Cantrip v. WG cannot be town v. town.
Mmmm, that's what I thought you were suggesting by the bolded:
I'm on 60/page, and there is at least a full page of nothing but dissected quotewalls between you and Cantripmancer. Do you suddenly believe that there isn't a dichotomy? A lot of what I read points to there being one.
So which is it? If you think there's a dichotomy, then we can't both be town. If we could both be town, there can't be a dichotomy.
Feeling less and less good about Nyxu, but I'm really unwilling to let go of Wheat. I don't know how much of the latter is me wanting to be right.
It would seem I've tripped over my own language. I colloquialised dichotomy to mean a separation of opposed nouns where in fact it requires a far more distinct opposition as to be non overlapping. This clause in the definition I have overlooked and in doing so contradict myself.
I can do little more than admit the error and attempt to explain my meaning more clearly.
The mutual opposition of cantrip and wg does not lend itself exclusively to town v town, and the idea of it just being two stubborn heads butting each other is not far flung.
Their behaviour, in my opinion, lends to the notion that one is likely scum. I see this scum in wheat grinder.
I do not believe that we can afford to overlook any possibility at this point of the game and as such find it curious that incognito came to the town v town conclusion when the two parties were previously declared (by someone other than myself) a dichotomy.
Oh hey, it's Incog. Long time no see - okay, so that's mostly on my end rather than his. (Which reminds me, I REALLY should at least post in that new Apology thread on 'Scum one of these days given the disaster that was how Mind Screw V and Blaz Blue went down.)
It would seem I've tripped over my own language. I colloquialised dichotomy to mean a separation of opposed nouns where in fact it requires a far more distinct opposition as to be non overlapping. This clause in the definition I have overlooked and in doing so contradict myself.
I can do little more than admit the error and attempt to explain my meaning more clearly.
The mutual opposition of cantrip and wg does not lend itself exclusively to town v town, and the idea of it just being two stubborn heads butting each other is not far flung.
Their behaviour, in my opinion, lends to the notion that one is likely scum. I see this scum in wheat grinder.
I do not believe that we can afford to overlook any possibility at this point of the game and as such find it curious that incognito came to the town v town conclusion when the two parties were previously declared (by someone other than myself) a dichotomy.
Ok, whether scum or not, that was hilarious. If I had +1 internets to give, you'd be the recipient.
@Taredas: Welcome (and apologies for disappearing from the Mind Screw discussion; if I'm still welcome, I'll see if I can contribute).
It would seem I've tripped over my own language. I colloquialised dichotomy to mean a separation of opposed nouns where in fact it requires a far more distinct opposition as to be non overlapping. This clause in the definition I have overlooked and in doing so contradict myself.
I can do little more than admit the error and attempt to explain my meaning more clearly.
The mutual opposition of cantrip and wg does not lend itself exclusively to town v town, and the idea of it just being two stubborn heads butting each other is not far flung.
Their behaviour, in my opinion, lends to the notion that one is likely scum. I see this scum in wheat grinder.
I do not believe that we can afford to overlook any possibility at this point of the game and as such find it curious that incognito came to the town v town conclusion when the two parties were previously declared (by someone other than myself) a dichotomy.
Ok, whether scum or not, that was hilarious. If I had +1 internets to give, you'd be the recipient.
@Taredas: Welcome (and apologies for disappearing from the Mind Screw discussion; if I'm still welcome, I'll see if I can contribute).
By all means, hop back into the design QT. (dC is now around so you don't have to worry about the anime flavor, and I've got the flavor for June 1 ready - albeit not publically available yet - so you don't have to worry about that.)
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Initial thoughts from preliminary reread:
- Incognito is all-but-confirmed town, both for obvious reasons and for the way he's playing.
- MTG-DDS is probably town given his analysis posts early toDay - those don't look like they come from a scum mindset.
- At most and probably exactly one of Wheat and Cantrip are scum; I'm not ruling out the possibility that both are scum, but from where I'm sitting that would require a Nyxu/swishh scumteam and I'm not ready to conclude that yet.
- If exactly one of WG and Cantrip are scum, I'd say WG over Cantrip; the way he's played is more consistent with a scum mindset than Cantrip's is.
- Swishh is NOT as confirmed as certain people (coughIncogcough) are claiming. Take a good look at the D1 vote counts - not just the iLord lynch, but also the early wagon on Lord McDonalds. From where I'm sitting, either swishh is scum or EVERY player on that wagon is town (since the other three are confirmed town by flip), and given how fast that wagon formed I'm not sure that's possible.
- I really need to reread Nyxu more closely. (I miss the ISO button on 'Scum.)
Pretty sure scum are two of {swishh, Nyxu, WG}, with Cantripmancer possible but not as likely, DDS very unlikely to be scum, and Incog effectively confirmed town. Not sure which of the three listed above are scum, though, or whether any scumteams involving the three players listed above AREN'T viable.
I feel that my vote does, however, draw highlighted attention to Swishh.
He has, however, responded. My vote has served its purpose unvote
Incognito, you consider a WG/Cantrip town/town relationship. Have you considered a WG/Cantrip Town/Scum with Cantrip as the scum?
My response to you had absolutely nothing to do with your vote. As I said I have had very limited access these past few weeks. It was a mere coincidence I was able to post when you voted me. Also as I said I will be able to post much more often beginning tomorrow.
I think Nyxu is fishing for public opinion with his last few pots to see who he can get lynched. He voted swishh to see if he could rouse any support against him, and now he's trying to do the same on Cantrip.
@Incognito & Swishh: what are your scum teams if Nyxu flips Town/Scum? What if WG is lynched and flips Town/Scum? Which gives better answers regardless of flip? We lose if we mislynch and don't get good info from flips.
If Nyxu is town, Wheat and MRH/Taredas is our scum team. If scum, Wheat is almost surely his partner by POE. I don't see Annorax and MRH/Taredas ganging up for a double bus.
Given that MRH has replaced out, I'm less inclined to vote Taredas today just so we can see more content from him. I feel like Wheat could be our best lynch today. If he's town, Taredas will be the definite next lynch given MRH's joint attack on him with Annorax. If he's scum, Nyxu would be my best guess. For now I'm sticking with my town reads on Cantrip and DDS
Nyxu, I was just going to dash out a quick "Actually, rereading swishh now" post, but internet was being slow, so I declined.
I've been thinking about this and I don't think swishh is confirmed town at all. Literally, the only point I have with him is "first voted Annorax" and that's offset by a couple of other points, such as bringing Annorax to hammer range, lurking today, and questionable posts.
However, I've been drinking paranoia for the entire Day. I need to reread and set my scumreads straight.
Cantripmancer, I've seen probably a couple of players give up/willing to hammer themselves, and I've always seen them flip town. Not a conclusive sample size, yes, but it's enough to make me pause and rethink things at this stage.
I'll have to check the genuineness of interactions made back then, but I view wagon leaders as town. Rarely scum will lead a wagon, though it can happen.
MTG~DDS, it's just mostly me drinking the paranoia. I have absolutely no idea who is town or scum besides you.
To me, Nyxu has been the most independently scummy so far, though I can accept arguments for... probably anybody, really. I need to focus.
I'll get the town/scum list up if when I reread.
Wheat_Grinder, why? Almost all town wagons on Day 1 usually have at least /one/ scum on it.
Also, thanks for the games. I'll look at them if I have the time.
Taredas, I'm afraid you have me mistaken. (I do apologize if that was one of your factors in joining the game)
Also, it's nice to put a face on The Ballad of Tarhalindur.
Ugh. Is there a world where Wheat_Grinder and Cantripmancer are both town?
Yes - the world in which MRH/Taredas and Wheat are scum.
Ummm...typing error or thought train derailment? In a world where wheat is town...he is scum also? This is confusing unless its a typo. If it is, sorry for being a jerk. If not, please clarify.
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Ugh. Is there a world where Wheat_Grinder and Cantripmancer are both town?
Yes - the world in which MRH/Taredas and Wheat are scum.
Ummm...typing error or thought train derailment? In a world where wheat is town...he is scum also? This is confusing unless its a typo. If it is, sorry for being a jerk. If not, please clarify.
Sorry - typo. I meant a world in which Nyxu and MRH/Taredas are both scum. I.e. what happens if we lynch Wheat today and he flips town.
I guess I can always depend on pinky for a good bus job
Vote Annorax
WIFOM and all that, but I'll bet you that Annorax was telling the truth about being bussed and just lied about who did it to incriminate a townie.
Hell, considering the first two votes on Annorax D2 were WG and swishh it's VERY LIKELY that at least one scum was bussing him very early during D2.
Explain how my vote on Annorax could "easily" be a bus while everyone else voting Annorax is town.
Uh, I didn't say that everyone else voting Annorax is town - hell, looking at the surviving players who were on 'Rad, from where I'm sitting it's LIKELY that both surviving scum were on the D2 'Rax wagon (only ways that isn't the case: Cantrip is scum [have my doubts, but possible], DDS is scum [unlikely given early D3 analysis], Incog is scum [almost certainly not]). I just mentioned you because I saw that certain players (coughIncogcough) were saying that you had to be town based on your interactions with Annorax, which is wrong.
Not sure you're the most likely to be bussing - Wheat's insistence that the remaining scum were not bussing Annorax looks fishy as hell, as I will explain as soon as I have time to finish a longer post. But it's a distinct possibility, especially given that you're the only player on the LCMD *and* iLord wagons D1 whose alignment is not confirmed to me either by death flip or by role PM.
I guess I can always depend on pinky for a good bus job
Vote Annorax
WIFOM and all that, but I'll bet you that Annorax was telling the truth about being bussed and just lied about who did it to incriminate a townie.
Hell, considering the first two votes on Annorax D2 were WG and swishh it's VERY LIKELY that at least one scum was bussing him very early during D2.
Explain how my vote on Annorax could "easily" be a bus while everyone else voting Annorax is town.
Uh, I didn't say that everyone else voting Annorax is town - hell, looking at the surviving players who were on 'Rad, from where I'm sitting it's LIKELY that both surviving scum were on the D2 'Rax wagon (only ways that isn't the case: Cantrip is scum [have my doubts, but possible], DDS is scum [unlikely given early D3 analysis], Incog is scum [almost certainly not]). I just mentioned you because I saw that certain players (coughIncogcough) were saying that you had to be town based on your interactions with Annorax, which is wrong.
Not sure you're the most likely to be bussing - Wheat's insistence that the remaining scum were not bussing Annorax looks fishy as hell, as I will explain as soon as I have time to finish a longer post. But it's a distinct possibility, especially given that you're the only player on the LCMD *and* iLord wagons D1 whose alignment is not confirmed to me either by death flip or by role PM.
Why must it be that Annorax was bussed? If pinky hadn't been killed would you be insisting that he's scum?
I guess I can always depend on pinky for a good bus job
Vote Annorax
WIFOM and all that, but I'll bet you that Annorax was telling the truth about being bussed and just lied about who did it to incriminate a townie.
Hell, considering the first two votes on Annorax D2 were WG and swishh it's VERY LIKELY that at least one scum was bussing him very early during D2.
Explain how my vote on Annorax could "easily" be a bus while everyone else voting Annorax is town.
Uh, I didn't say that everyone else voting Annorax is town - hell, looking at the surviving players who were on 'Rad, from where I'm sitting it's LIKELY that both surviving scum were on the D2 'Rax wagon (only ways that isn't the case: Cantrip is scum [have my doubts, but possible], DDS is scum [unlikely given early D3 analysis], Incog is scum [almost certainly not]). I just mentioned you because I saw that certain players (coughIncogcough) were saying that you had to be town based on your interactions with Annorax, which is wrong.
Not sure you're the most likely to be bussing - Wheat's insistence that the remaining scum were not bussing Annorax looks fishy as hell, as I will explain as soon as I have time to finish a longer post. But it's a distinct possibility, especially given that you're the only player on the LCMD *and* iLord wagons D1 whose alignment is not confirmed to me either by death flip or by role PM.
Why must it be that Annorax was bussed?
Oh, I don't know, let's look at the numbers here taking into account the seat I'm sitting in.
- There are two surviving scum, since we started with 3 and have killed one. (Yeah, that was a discussion D1 - I'm amazed it even came up, the only way you DON'T have 3 scum in a single-Mafia, 12-player mini is if you're looking at a near-Mountainous game and all the evidence I can see says that MTGS newb games instead usually follow a "3 scum with 1 scum power role, 3 town power roles" distribution. Multiscum can be ruled out because it's a Basic. Why was this even a question?.)
- There were four surviving players NOT on the D2 Annorax wagon: Incognito, MTG~DDS, Cantripmancer, and my predecessor.
- Incognito is unCCed vig, and thus almost certainly not scum. (I suppose it's *possible* that the actual Vig opted not to CC and is waiting to shoot him tonight, but I have my doubts.)
- I know my predecessor was town on account of me receiving the same role PM.
- MTG~DDS *can* be scum, but given his analysis earlier toDay I'm quite confident he's town.
- Given that there are two surviving scum and three of the four surviving players who stayed off the Annorax wagon are either probably or certainly town, then BY THE NUMBERS at least one of Annorax's buddies was bussing him. Hell, by the numbers it's more likely than not that BOTH of his buddies bussed him.
Technically, it's *possible* that no scum bussed Annorax, but that would require at least one of Incog and DDS being scum. I don't think either is likely.
If pinky hadn't been killed would you be insisting that he's scum?
No - I'd double-check to be sure, but Rax claiming . As a general rule, if scum claims that they're bussed by someone assume they're telling half of the truth - yes, they're being bussed, but it's not the player they claimed was bussing.
Yes - the world in which MRH/Taredas and Wheat are scum.
My response to you had absolutely nothing to do with your vote. As I said I have had very limited access these past few weeks. It was a mere coincidence I was able to post when you voted me. Also as I said I will be able to post much more often beginning tomorrow.
This.
Again, yes, if Wheat is town. Cantrip is eager but not necessarily scummy.
If Nyxu is town, Wheat and MRH/Taredas is our scum team. If scum, Wheat is almost surely his partner by POE. I don't see Annorax and MRH/Taredas ganging up for a double bus.
Given that MRH has replaced out, I'm less inclined to vote Taredas today just so we can see more content from him. I feel like Wheat could be our best lynch today. If he's town, Taredas will be the definite next lynch given MRH's joint attack on him with Annorax. If he's scum, Nyxu would be my best guess. For now I'm sticking with my town reads on Cantrip and DDS
If there are specific issues you would like me to address you should state them. Voting someone "to get him to post" is not pro-town. All you've really done this past week is distance yourselffrom Wheat, whine about why you're being linkedto him, and hound mefor having limited access. At the same time you appear to be attemptingto buddy meup to Wheat. And I don't think that's a coincidence. If Wheat is scum too and is lynched today, you've set yourself up pretty well to get me lynched tomorrow. Bottom line: you're not playing a town game here. You and Wheat both tested the waters today regarding Cantrip's being scum. (and yet Wheat is now voting Taredas?) Can you provide any evidence that points to Cantrip and I being partners, aside from my town read on him?
something irks me about Wheat's flipflopping on cantrip. I mean I know I said I thought he was wrong about him, but I sort of would have expected some back and forth about it before he retracted his scum read.
at any rate all 3 of my suspects are being voted now. I still need to review interactions to decide the best lynch today. should have time this afternoon.
If there are specific issues you would like me to address you should state them. Voting someone "to get him to post" is not pro-town. All you've really done this past week is distance yourselffrom Wheat, whine about why you're being linkedto him, and hound mefor having limited access. At the same time you appear to be attemptingto buddy meup to Wheat. And I don't think that's a coincidence. If Wheat is scum too and is lynched today, you've set yourself up pretty well to get me lynched tomorrow. Bottom line: you're not playing a town game here. You and Wheat both tested the waters today regarding Cantrip's being scum. (and yet Wheat is now voting Taredas?) Can you provide any evidence that points to Cantrip and I being partners, aside from my town read on him?
I've been waiting, albeit impatiently, for you to make good on your promises of response. But, if your much-awaited response is going to be this jumble of out-of-context links (which I do -not- believe properly addresses the content you promised to respond to), I suppose I'll just run down your list.
Pressure voting is and has been a thing. If you call it scum I call it something I've done before. If I need to defend against this weak point further I'll link to games where I've done it and declare the tell null.
"Distance yourself" was me identifying a contradiction in DDS post and poking fun at it.
"from" hardly does any distancing- merely appeals to reason and recalls Incognito's sentiment about a Nyxu lynch being bad for the gamestate.
"whine" (adhom.) is a continued discussion about the fact that I feel linked. Yes. But instead of just "woe is me I'm tied to WG" I asked -why-.
"being linked" is... wait what? This one is me answering a question about the clarity of my posts. What are you even doing?
"to him" This is a continuation on the "trying to figure why" bit above.
"hound me" I have explained this. You still have not delivered or addressed the fact that you have not delivered.
"for having limited access" complete bunk. You did not claim "V/LA" until well and after the fact, and when you did I rescinded my vote. Without your explicit declaration of limited access there is no evidence that you are not simply stalling.
"appear to be attempting" Because I definitely have control over how wheat reacts to my scrutiny of you.
"to buddy me up" Really not seeing how I'm making wheat post like that.
"to Wheat" This one I can't make heads or tails of. Where exactly do I buddy you and wheat up save for believing that you and wheat are scum? Oh, that's evidence enough for you. I see.
Now that I've addressed the "content" of this post, time to talk context.
Your post opens with a vote, this is an aggressive stance from a player that has as far as I've seen not been aggressive this game (offensive? abrasive? sure. )
You demand "specific" issues to be stated- this is the second time I've quoted your posts to highlight what I'm looking for. Either you're not paying attention to what I'm saying (Doubtful given that you appear to have collected links to every post I've made this week) or willfully overlooked the post.
Then, of course, a pile of links. Clever you, bunching links up in arbitrary numbers of words so they can be read as a sentence. :slowclap: Only problem here is that the words and the linked content don't always add up, so instead you look to be scrabbling for weight to add to otherwise weak words.
The "waters" regarding Cantrip's alignment were tested, retested, and sent to a lab well before I discussed the possibility. Or do you forget the walls of segmented quotes thrown around earlier toDay?
I, as I've said multiple times (I really do doubt you even read my posts beyond 'can I use this for ammunition?') inquired as to Incognito's -specific- dismissal of the possibility of Cantrip being scum.
Evidence of Cantrip and you being partners? No. I don't have much of a scum read on him, but given that he's neither dead nor verified via power role the possibility exists. I also find it amusing that you jump to "Cantrip / Swishh" scumteam instead of any other possibility.
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Content promised and not delivered.
Can I ask you to reread MRH?
BS vote.
Sure. My vote is BS.
Go right ahead and defend Swishh.
He delays and defers and does not deliver. Or do you forget that post 344 he promised content- a case against you even- but did not deliver.
The way I see it:
344: He starts with a case on Annorax. Cases being time-consuming, he decides to come back to me later. The wagon against Annorax moves forward to claim range. Either he decided he didn't need to post a case on me when the wagon on his other scum read was moving sufficiently fast, or he just plain forgot by the next day.
His promised content on you: There was only one post in-between, and he mentioned there that he didn't have time right then to do the other promised content on his three wagons.
His promised content on his 3 wagons: He hasn't posted since then so it's null because anything can suddenly come up.
I think you are trying to push suspicion on swishh with a bad meta case. Not even player meta, but site meta.
FOS without vote placed is a "global" meta scumtell, how is the single most effective way of killing town momentum in a forum game any different? I'm calling into question his behaviour and it is not for -you- to defend him.
I agree. I'm surprised the Day is still going, in fact. More than half of the players aren't voting, and this game has grinded to a halt.
I don't like the vote on swishh. If he's scum, well played, but he's first on the Annorax wagon; seriously doubt that he could be scum. He's been a solid town read all game, though paranoia is fickle.
I'm still confident on a Wheat_Grinder lynch. I don't think there is anything else to discuss today.
*bites lip*
I've seen many situations where someone says those words, and almost always they flip town.
Ugh. Is there a world where Wheat_Grinder and Cantripmancer are both town?
I understand that I'm going back on my "end the day" stance, but I'm going to go back to my gut reads. I'll probably have something by the end of today.
I just might be fine with a Nyxu or MRHBlue lynch.
*sigh*. This game is sapping the energy out of me.
He has, however, responded. My vote has served its purpose
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Incognito, you consider a WG/Cantrip town/town relationship. Have you considered a WG/Cantrip Town/Scum with Cantrip as the scum?
You sound a vulture. I voted swishh because he had not provided content. I explained this. Had I been trying to see who I could get lynched would I not have voted you? Would I not have pushed the already existing wagon? I asked Incognito his opinion because the existing dichotomy between you and Cantripmancer is "One is scum". He now brings up the notion that both you and cantrip are town. I want to know why he's considering this, and if he's considered what is plainly a valid possibility.
Swishh still hasn't provided content. Why did you unvote?
You know I can get lynched already.
That's not seeing who all you can get lynched.
Why do you believe Cantrip and I to be a dichotomy?
Why would I not lynch you outright and move on to night phase to get that much closer to victory?
I'm on 60/page, and there is at least a full page of nothing but dissected quotewalls between you and Cantripmancer. Do you suddenly believe that there isn't a dichotomy? A lot of what I read points to there being one.
But he still hasn't provided content. Why are you content (oh ho ho) with that?
You don't want the attention of the hammer vote, and besides, you need to dissuade people who think you are scum if I flip town first.
Yes I suddenly believe there is no dichotomy, haven't you been reading the game?
Haven't you ever seen a town v. town slapfight?
I voted to get his reaction. Keeping my vote on him accomplishes nothing further because his answer makes some sense and he's given himself a deadline.
So what course of action isn't scummy in this situation, Wheat? Saying and doing nothing? (Oh wait that's scummy too)
Have been reading the game. I'd appreciate you quoting where you decided that you and Cantrip are both town.
I'm not eschewing the possibility of Town V Town. I'm only asking Incognito's view on the situation if you are, to him, town. I for one find this badgering scummy- your tune changed rather suddenly when you had a banner of Incognito's scrutiny on me to hide behind.
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Everyone has just been too town for me to reconsider.
Wheat_Grinder, can you give me your last completed scum game and last completed town game, please?
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Almost never, ever, ever will you find 7 town in a row on a town lynch.
If he flips town I'll be willing to reread swishh.
And why is it impossible for scum to say this to avoid being lynched?
Why does that interaction preclude town v. town?
...? I can only assume you're talking about i-robot's wagon, which has--last I checked--four unknown alignments on it, including the first vote, which is Wheat. I can understand you thinking that there has to be scum on that wagon, but why, if your now-primary suspect flips town, would you turn to swishh over Wheat?
I hate this suspense. If Wheat's really town, I'm going to be so disappointed.
I'm a little confused on the swing from this post...to 3 posts later (next quote). WG had already offered his 'self-sacrifice' option. Was this time enough to sway you or did you reread and find more to go on?
What will either of them flipping town/scum indicate to you? Which is scum front runner? (You voted since I began this post) So, what will Nyxu's alignment show us?
How does it not? I answered a hypothetical question with a direct answer. Instead of just being vague and answering with a maybe or not really...I gave the best answer I could. If the question had been "can Incognito/someone else be scumteam", I would still answer with probably not unless scenario X. That doesn't mean my true read IS scenario X, but that would be a possibility merited by a less likely scenario. You are making it sound like I claimed that as my read. To further that same hypothetical I answered that you questioned, if WG and Cantrip is actually a town Vs town battle for this specific "scenario X," MRH/Nyxu is more likely. Thus giving a more complete answer for the question posed.
This is, however, Scenario X for me right now though because I don't see a true dissolution of WG/Cantrip dichotomy. WG has backed off (could be real, could be a ploy), but Cantrip is sticking to his guns on this. Someone else weigh in some on this topic please. It could just as easily be him accepting the inevitable as much as it could be true town sentiment. Annorax voted himself too...but granted that was probably done to cut off discussion. Will this dichotomy be a huge elephant in the room tomorrow if we don't deal with it today?
Could the same (but less specific) argument not work about you? Up until last couple days to a week, my read on you was based on what interactions were there and being very lurky, not giving input. Pretty sure you have promised content that was not provided. I'll dredge that up if necessary.
/barn this. Especially since this day has progressed so long, it is not to far of a reach to see someone change a strategy. Could just be he saw combatting Cantrip straight up wasn't winning town points, switch to agreeing with him?
Nyxu is making me feel less warm and cozy, but I'm not sure he is our best lynch today. What would his flip indicate either way. Would it give us stronger evidence than a WG flip? My initial interactions had him mostly as PoE. Not really enough to nail down a scum partner...
@Incognito & Swishh: what are your scum teams if Nyxu flips Town/Scum? What if WG is lynched and flips Town/Scum? Which gives better answers regardless of flip? We lose if we mislynch and don't get good info from flips.
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So who do you think is scum right now?
I'm saying what you did is scummy.
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I think your reasoning here is fallacious.
I see. So you dropped Cantrip (Which was a protracted contest of butting heads that you didn't seem to make progress in) and picked up myself (the admittedly lurky early-game replace that has since fallen under scrutiny by the more-or-less-confirmed town, incognito).
The dichotomy, however, was established. You deciding that it no longer suited you to maintain it does not dissolve the link you formed.
My Current Scumreads are you and potentially swishh. You established a fight between yourself and Cantrip and were about to hit the gallows for it, but upon a new opportunity arising to lynch someone else you proclaim yourself a willing martyr for the town cause while casting suspicions onto me. You aren't willing to be lynched, you're willing to make dangerous plays.
Swishh is leaning scummy because of his consistent delay tactics. I want to highlight the difference between being lurky and bad and delay tactics here because some people seem to have them confused:
A bad, lurky play is to simply not post, or post very little. The game can potentially be slowed by this but oftentimes your input is not truly missed and the game continues without you.
Delay tactics are promising reads and content within a timeframe then simply failing to deliver, or only partially doing so. If there is a case on a player pending, oftentimes other players will either avoid writing up their own or wait to post their findings to cross-reference with the new content. When people wait for posts that are intentionally withheld, the game is ground to a halt and stagnates. A stagnant town grows complacent or disinterested. An engaged, active town means more interactions and more discussion. Which state (of the town) benefits which faction should be obvious.
Thank you for making sense of the Town!WG / Scum!WG line of thought.
Please see above re: Lurk v Delay.
If you have any posts where I promised specific content or questions asked of me directly that I did not answer that you still want answered/provided link/quote them. I don't believe I gave myself deadlines this game that I did not keep. If I'm wrong I'd like to see what I've missed.
It doesn't, nor does it preclude town v. scum. I'm curious as to why Incognito is only considering one of the possibilities (town v. town) at this point. I am not saying, nor have I ever said, that Cantrip v. WG cannot be town v. town.
Mmmm, that's what I thought you were suggesting by the bolded:
So which is it? If you think there's a dichotomy, then we can't both be town. If we could both be town, there can't be a dichotomy.
Feeling less and less good about Nyxu, but I'm really unwilling to let go of Wheat. I don't know how much of the latter is me wanting to be right.
I can do little more than admit the error and attempt to explain my meaning more clearly.
The mutual opposition of cantrip and wg does not lend itself exclusively to town v town, and the idea of it just being two stubborn heads butting each other is not far flung.
Their behaviour, in my opinion, lends to the notion that one is likely scum. I see this scum in wheat grinder.
I do not believe that we can afford to overlook any possibility at this point of the game and as such find it curious that incognito came to the town v town conclusion when the two parties were previously declared (by someone other than myself) a dichotomy.
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Oh hey, it's Incog. Long time no see - okay, so that's mostly on my end rather than his. (Which reminds me, I REALLY should at least post in that new Apology thread on 'Scum one of these days given the disaster that was how Mind Screw V and Blaz Blue went down.)
It is too late for the pebbles to vote."
Ok, whether scum or not, that was hilarious. If I had +1 internets to give, you'd be the recipient.
@Taredas: Welcome (and apologies for disappearing from the Mind Screw discussion; if I'm still welcome, I'll see if I can contribute).
By all means, hop back into the design QT. (dC is now around so you don't have to worry about the anime flavor, and I've got the flavor for June 1 ready - albeit not publically available yet - so you don't have to worry about that.)
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Initial thoughts from preliminary reread:
- Incognito is all-but-confirmed town, both for obvious reasons and for the way he's playing.
- MTG-DDS is probably town given his analysis posts early toDay - those don't look like they come from a scum mindset.
- At most and probably exactly one of Wheat and Cantrip are scum; I'm not ruling out the possibility that both are scum, but from where I'm sitting that would require a Nyxu/swishh scumteam and I'm not ready to conclude that yet.
- If exactly one of WG and Cantrip are scum, I'd say WG over Cantrip; the way he's played is more consistent with a scum mindset than Cantrip's is.
- Swishh is NOT as confirmed as certain people (coughIncogcough) are claiming. Take a good look at the D1 vote counts - not just the iLord lynch, but also the early wagon on Lord McDonalds. From where I'm sitting, either swishh is scum or EVERY player on that wagon is town (since the other three are confirmed town by flip), and given how fast that wagon formed I'm not sure that's possible.
- I really need to reread Nyxu more closely. (I miss the ISO button on 'Scum.)
Pretty sure scum are two of {swishh, Nyxu, WG}, with Cantripmancer possible but not as likely, DDS very unlikely to be scum, and Incog effectively confirmed town. Not sure which of the three listed above are scum, though, or whether any scumteams involving the three players listed above AREN'T viable.
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It is too late for the pebbles to vote."
WIFOM and all that, but I'll bet you that Annorax was telling the truth about being bussed and just lied about who did it to incriminate a townie.
Hell, considering the first two votes on Annorax D2 were WG and swishh it's VERY LIKELY that at least one scum was bussing him very early during D2.
It is too late for the pebbles to vote."
Yes - the world in which MRH/Taredas and Wheat are scum.
My response to you had absolutely nothing to do with your vote. As I said I have had very limited access these past few weeks. It was a mere coincidence I was able to post when you voted me. Also as I said I will be able to post much more often beginning tomorrow.
This.
Again, yes, if Wheat is town. Cantrip is eager but not necessarily scummy.
If Nyxu is town, Wheat and MRH/Taredas is our scum team. If scum, Wheat is almost surely his partner by POE. I don't see Annorax and MRH/Taredas ganging up for a double bus.
Given that MRH has replaced out, I'm less inclined to vote Taredas today just so we can see more content from him. I feel like Wheat could be our best lynch today. If he's town, Taredas will be the definite next lynch given MRH's joint attack on him with Annorax. If he's scum, Nyxu would be my best guess. For now I'm sticking with my town reads on Cantrip and DDS
Explain how my vote on Annorax could "easily" be a bus while everyone else voting Annorax is town.
Taredas (1): Wheat_Grinder
Wheat_Grinder (1): Cantripmancer
Nyxu (1): Incognito
Not Voting: Taredas; MTG~DDS; swishh; Nyxu
With 7 alive, it's 4 to lynch!
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I've been thinking about this and I don't think swishh is confirmed town at all. Literally, the only point I have with him is "first voted Annorax" and that's offset by a couple of other points, such as bringing Annorax to hammer range, lurking today, and questionable posts.
However, I've been drinking paranoia for the entire Day. I need to reread and set my scumreads straight.
Cantripmancer, I've seen probably a couple of players give up/willing to hammer themselves, and I've always seen them flip town. Not a conclusive sample size, yes, but it's enough to make me pause and rethink things at this stage.
I'll have to check the genuineness of interactions made back then, but I view wagon leaders as town. Rarely scum will lead a wagon, though it can happen.
MTG~DDS, it's just mostly me drinking the paranoia. I have absolutely no idea who is town or scum besides you.
To me, Nyxu has been the most independently scummy so far, though I can accept arguments for... probably anybody, really. I need to focus.
I'll get the town/scum list up if when I reread.
Wheat_Grinder, why? Almost all town wagons on Day 1 usually have at least /one/ scum on it.
Also, thanks for the games. I'll look at them if I have the time.
Taredas, I'm afraid you have me mistaken. (I do apologize if that was one of your factors in joining the game)
Also, it's nice to put a face on The Ballad of Tarhalindur.
For now, Unvote. This game is pending a reread.
Ummm...typing error or thought train derailment? In a world where wheat is town...he is scum also? This is confusing unless its a typo. If it is, sorry for being a jerk. If not, please clarify.
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Sorry - typo. I meant a world in which Nyxu and MRH/Taredas are both scum. I.e. what happens if we lynch Wheat today and he flips town.
Uh, I didn't say that everyone else voting Annorax is town - hell, looking at the surviving players who were on 'Rad, from where I'm sitting it's LIKELY that both surviving scum were on the D2 'Rax wagon (only ways that isn't the case: Cantrip is scum [have my doubts, but possible], DDS is scum [unlikely given early D3 analysis], Incog is scum [almost certainly not]). I just mentioned you because I saw that certain players (coughIncogcough) were saying that you had to be town based on your interactions with Annorax, which is wrong.
Not sure you're the most likely to be bussing - Wheat's insistence that the remaining scum were not bussing Annorax looks fishy as hell, as I will explain as soon as I have time to finish a longer post. But it's a distinct possibility, especially given that you're the only player on the LCMD *and* iLord wagons D1 whose alignment is not confirmed to me either by death flip or by role PM.
It is too late for the pebbles to vote."
"Almost all" is not "all".
On the other hand, I do see that Nyxu was voting iRebel at the very last second so maybe you were right anyhow.
Why must it be that Annorax was bussed? If pinky hadn't been killed would you be insisting that he's scum?
Oh, I don't know, let's look at the numbers here taking into account the seat I'm sitting in.
- There are two surviving scum, since we started with 3 and have killed one. (Yeah, that was a discussion D1 - I'm amazed it even came up, the only way you DON'T have 3 scum in a single-Mafia, 12-player mini is if you're looking at a near-Mountainous game and all the evidence I can see says that MTGS newb games instead usually follow a "3 scum with 1 scum power role, 3 town power roles" distribution. Multiscum can be ruled out because it's a Basic. Why was this even a question?.)
- There were four surviving players NOT on the D2 Annorax wagon: Incognito, MTG~DDS, Cantripmancer, and my predecessor.
- Incognito is unCCed vig, and thus almost certainly not scum. (I suppose it's *possible* that the actual Vig opted not to CC and is waiting to shoot him tonight, but I have my doubts.)
- I know my predecessor was town on account of me receiving the same role PM.
- MTG~DDS *can* be scum, but given his analysis earlier toDay I'm quite confident he's town.
- Given that there are two surviving scum and three of the four surviving players who stayed off the Annorax wagon are either probably or certainly town, then BY THE NUMBERS at least one of Annorax's buddies was bussing him. Hell, by the numbers it's more likely than not that BOTH of his buddies bussed him.
Technically, it's *possible* that no scum bussed Annorax, but that would require at least one of Incog and DDS being scum. I don't think either is likely.
No - I'd double-check to be sure, but Rax claiming . As a general rule, if scum claims that they're bussed by someone assume they're telling half of the truth - yes, they're being bussed, but it's not the player they claimed was bussing.
It is too late for the pebbles to vote."
This is our glorious, promised content?
If there are specific issues you would like me to address you should state them. Voting someone "to get him to post" is not pro-town. All you've really done this past week is distance yourself from Wheat, whine about why you're being linked to him, and hound me for having limited access. At the same time you appear to be attempting to buddy me up to Wheat. And I don't think that's a coincidence. If Wheat is scum too and is lynched today, you've set yourself up pretty well to get me lynched tomorrow. Bottom line: you're not playing a town game here. You and Wheat both tested the waters today regarding Cantrip's being scum. (and yet Wheat is now voting Taredas?) Can you provide any evidence that points to Cantrip and I being partners, aside from my town read on him?
I've been waiting, albeit impatiently, for you to make good on your promises of response. But, if your much-awaited response is going to be this jumble of out-of-context links (which I do -not- believe properly addresses the content you promised to respond to), I suppose I'll just run down your list.
Pressure voting is and has been a thing. If you call it scum I call it something I've done before. If I need to defend against this weak point further I'll link to games where I've done it and declare the tell null.
"Distance yourself" was me identifying a contradiction in DDS post and poking fun at it.
"from" hardly does any distancing- merely appeals to reason and recalls Incognito's sentiment about a Nyxu lynch being bad for the gamestate.
"whine" (adhom.) is a continued discussion about the fact that I feel linked. Yes. But instead of just "woe is me I'm tied to WG" I asked -why-.
"being linked" is... wait what? This one is me answering a question about the clarity of my posts. What are you even doing?
"to him" This is a continuation on the "trying to figure why" bit above.
"hound me" I have explained this. You still have not delivered or addressed the fact that you have not delivered.
"for having limited access" complete bunk. You did not claim "V/LA" until well and after the fact, and when you did I rescinded my vote. Without your explicit declaration of limited access there is no evidence that you are not simply stalling.
"appear to be attempting" Because I definitely have control over how wheat reacts to my scrutiny of you.
"to buddy me up" Really not seeing how I'm making wheat post like that.
"to Wheat" This one I can't make heads or tails of. Where exactly do I buddy you and wheat up save for believing that you and wheat are scum? Oh, that's evidence enough for you. I see.
Now that I've addressed the "content" of this post, time to talk context.
Your post opens with a vote, this is an aggressive stance from a player that has as far as I've seen not been aggressive this game (offensive? abrasive? sure. )
You demand "specific" issues to be stated- this is the second time I've quoted your posts to highlight what I'm looking for. Either you're not paying attention to what I'm saying (Doubtful given that you appear to have collected links to every post I've made this week) or willfully overlooked the post.
Then, of course, a pile of links. Clever you, bunching links up in arbitrary numbers of words so they can be read as a sentence. :slowclap: Only problem here is that the words and the linked content don't always add up, so instead you look to be scrabbling for weight to add to otherwise weak words.
The "waters" regarding Cantrip's alignment were tested, retested, and sent to a lab well before I discussed the possibility. Or do you forget the walls of segmented quotes thrown around earlier toDay?
I, as I've said multiple times (I really do doubt you even read my posts beyond 'can I use this for ammunition?') inquired as to Incognito's -specific- dismissal of the possibility of Cantrip being scum.
Evidence of Cantrip and you being partners? No. I don't have much of a scum read on him, but given that he's neither dead nor verified via power role the possibility exists. I also find it amusing that you jump to "Cantrip / Swishh" scumteam instead of any other possibility.