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I don't have much of an opinion on it. It's a question that makes sense.
Since misting explained what he did, there is no harm done. And we all wonder why when someone calls someone cop. But we don't want to give our cop to the scum on a golden platter, so actually asking to explain why someone might be cop seems very anti-town to me.
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Apart from replacing into another game at about the same time this one started, none.
I did read a few games to get an idea of how to play it.
Why do you ask?
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Yea, you're not going to do the same as in Haruhi Suzumiya, eh? Leaving us? Could you give me one (part of a) post that you think is suspicious?
I don't plan on doing that but to be frank, most of what I would ask has been asked already, and nothing has really stuck out to me thus far, admittedly I haven't read into them to thoroughly.
Curious, is post #150 the only one that implies Tom/Rhand to be scum to you or are there others?
Now Wessel brings this back up, and wants reasoning for why Iso might be a PR. I don't like that one bit.
I was more interested into why Misting chose to bring discussion about cops into the game. So I wondered why he did it by asking what his motivation was for calling Iso a cop. I hope the above has also answered any issues you might have regarding my position in this matter.
This still seems wrong. What if Misting had a reason other than info gathering, and you would've convinced him to share it?
There's only a few of us actually saying something. Is it the holidays, or does this always happen?
Probably a little bit of both. I'm sure we've got at least one scum among the lurkers because few people are doing much to arouse my Isopathy. However, after giving it some thought, I'm going to Unvote, Vote FO mostly on the stipulation that they can't be scum together and FO is reeking far more than Misting right now.
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Probably a little bit of both. I'm sure we've got at least one scum among the lurkers because few people are doing much to arouse my Isopathy. However, after giving it some thought, I'm going to Unvote, Vote FO mostly on the stipulation that they can't be scum together and FO is reeking far more than Misting right now.
This post earns Iso a lot of townie points in my eyes. His sick posting felt very scummy, but the explanation combined with this post reverse most of that. I like seeing evidence like this to support an excuse, an excuse by itself doesn't count for much to me.
I can understand Wessel's views on Tom & Rhand, and "RVS is random voting stage. Just because I've been making jokes about custard doesn't mean I'm in RVS; you suggesting that you might vote him for the custard alone does, though." seems very weird/suspicious to me. It is possible that they are simply playing poorly, though. At the least, their interactions are not good town play.
I thought your proposal of a mass-claim was RVS joking.
Are you serious about this?
If the picking of characters is thought through lore-wise, this can reveal the PR's to the scum. I don't want to risk losing a doc or a cop or something just for the sake of ending RVS.
I read a lot of Discworld novels. This will not help tracking scum in any way because every wizard in the Unseen University wants the headmaster dead to take his place.
The only ones that can get useful info out of this is the scum, so I am against a mass name claim.
Do you have a reason why we should do this, apart from giving us a discussion point, Iso?
This seems diversionary. Being against a mass claim isn't scummy, but the way he argues it could easily be scum trying to divert people.
unvote because RVS is apparently over.
I don't see any reasoning behind your Misting vote tho, Iso.
Is it just a vote to get things started, or did he really say something wrong?
@wessel: I still want more belgian jokes!
This post combined with his response to Iso's "Yes" could be fishing. It could easily be nerves and trying to hide his own scum game that causes him to interrupt Iso's questioning of Misting.
I don't have much of an opinion on it. It's a question that makes sense.
Since misting explained what he did, there is no harm done. And we all wonder why when someone calls someone cop. But we don't want to give our cop to the scum on a golden platter, so actually asking to explain why someone might be cop seems very anti-town to me.
Reversing but adding in a bit of mud-slinging at Misting.
Overall, relooking at the thread has me feeling that Tom is town with a poorly made comment in the middle of a sizable post. However, Rhand's posts are continually giving off scummy vibes.
At this point, FO and Rhand are the only two that I'm still leaning scum on. Iso, Misting, and Tom all feel town and Wessel feels neutral, but leaning town.
You had to have been sarcastic in order to a) call out Iso as scummy for posting too much, then b) call out three other players as a "lurking scumteam" for posting too little... that's why I sarcastically remarked how you "Ryo0okied" the game.
Eh, I wouldn't use sarcastic to describe that in that case, but that's just semantics.
Oh and a I love the part about how Iso is either overposting to cover for his scumbuddies or he's the Cop... that's gold.
And I'm not sure what you think "worked". You do something scummy, people want to know what you were trying to say, and you turn around and say "Look it worked!". What did you expect people to do, just ignore you?
Okay, seriously, don't continue this argument until you go back and read my big explanation and following posts, which you have clearly not. I'll take you questions when you have done so.
@Misting: So did you obtain any useful reactions from your attempt at ending RVS? What were they, if so?
The ones I got at the time are mentioned here. Since then FO has slipped even further, you have begun leaning town, Tom leans further town, and I'm still forming opinions on the others.
Now Wessel brings this back up, and wants reasoning for why Iso might be a PR. I don't like that one bit.
I was more interested into why Misting chose to bring discussion about cops into the game. So I wondered why he did it by asking what his motivation was for calling Iso a cop. I hope the above has also answered any issues you might have regarding my position in this matter.
This still seems wrong. What if Misting had a reason other than info gathering, and you would've convinced him to share it?
What are these other reasons which you were thinking of?
I can understand Wessel's views on Tom & Rhand, and "RVS is random voting stage. Just because I've been making jokes about custard doesn't mean I'm in RVS; you suggesting that you might vote him for the custard alone does, though." seems very weird/suspicious to me. It is possible that they are simply playing poorly, though. At the least, their interactions are not good town play.
Can you expand on this? What is suspicious, and why is it bad town play to you? Also, that statement is PG/Tom, not Rhand/Tom.
I thought your proposal of a mass-claim was RVS joking.
Are you serious about this?
If the picking of characters is thought through lore-wise, this can reveal the PR's to the scum. I don't want to risk losing a doc or a cop or something just for the sake of ending RVS.
I read a lot of Discworld novels. This will not help tracking scum in any way because every wizard in the Unseen University wants the headmaster dead to take his place.
The only ones that can get useful info out of this is the scum, so I am against a mass name claim.
Do you have a reason why we should do this, apart from giving us a discussion point, Iso?
This seems diversionary. Being against a mass claim isn't scummy, but the way he argues it could easily be scum trying to divert people.
unvote because RVS is apparently over.
I don't see any reasoning behind your Misting vote tho, Iso.
Is it just a vote to get things started, or did he really say something wrong?
@wessel: I still want more belgian jokes!
This post combined with his response to Iso's "Yes" could be fishing. It could easily be nerves and trying to hide his own scum game that causes him to interrupt Iso's questioning of Misting.
I don't have much of an opinion on it. It's a question that makes sense.
Since misting explained what he did, there is no harm done. And we all wonder why when someone calls someone cop. But we don't want to give our cop to the scum on a golden platter, so actually asking to explain why someone might be cop seems very anti-town to me.
Reversing but adding in a bit of mud-slinging at Misting.
Overall, relooking at the thread has me feeling that Tom is town with a poorly made comment in the middle of a sizable post. However, Rhand's posts are continually giving off scummy vibes.
At this point, FO and Rhand are the only two that I'm still leaning scum on. Iso, Misting, and Tom all feel town and Wessel feels neutral, but leaning town.
I disagree with your first point. How is it diverting people? Can you direct me to the response to Iso's "yes" post. Not sure what you mean. I also disagree with your third point. I think if it's slinging at anyone, it's Wessel, but its intent is to explain to Tom why he thinks its worthy of note in the face of his neutrality.
To clarify why I felt that the first quote could be diverting, the reaction to a mass name claim seemed over the top. Such a reaction seems like someone that absolutely does not want a mass name claim and is trying to prevent people from even considering it.
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You had to have been sarcastic in order to a) call out Iso as scummy for posting too much, then b) call out three other players as a "lurking scumteam" for posting too little... that's why I sarcastically remarked how you "Ryo0okied" the game.
Eh, I wouldn't use sarcastic to describe that in that case, but that's just semantics.
Then you should look up the meaning of the word sarcastic...
Oh and a I love the part about how Iso is either overposting to cover for his scumbuddies or he's the Cop... that's gold.
And I'm not sure what you think "worked". You do something scummy, people want to know what you were trying to say, and you turn around and say "Look it worked!". What did you expect people to do, just ignore you?
Okay, seriously, don't continue this argument until you go back and read my big explanation and following posts, which you have clearly not. I'll take you questions when you have done so.
I have read everything you posted, and to be honest I already knew what you were trying to do before you even explained it. It was blatantly obvious attempt to say something scummy and wait for people to jump on you about it. Its one of the oldest WIFOM tricks in the book and I haven't seen it work in years because everyone I know sees right through it. Kpaca used to try and pull this kind of crap all the time on Day 1 just to stir the pot. I was tired of waiting for it to play out because it wasn't going anywhere and nobody was taking the bait.
My vote isn't moving from Misting. People who set traps or run gambits I'm always a little leery of, but those who completely mischaracterize the reactions to those gambits are scum. Everything that Misting has written about my reaction to him is demonstrably false. I don't need to ask him any more questions because I already know what I need to know.
You had to have been sarcastic in order to a) call out Iso as scummy for posting too much, then b) call out three other players as a "lurking scumteam" for posting too little... that's why I sarcastically remarked how you "Ryo0okied" the game.
Eh, I wouldn't use sarcastic to describe that in that case, but that's just semantics.
Then you should look up the meaning of the word sarcastic...
Oh and a I love the part about how Iso is either overposting to cover for his scumbuddies or he's the Cop... that's gold.
And I'm not sure what you think "worked". You do something scummy, people want to know what you were trying to say, and you turn around and say "Look it worked!". What did you expect people to do, just ignore you?
Okay, seriously, don't continue this argument until you go back and read my big explanation and following posts, which you have clearly not. I'll take you questions when you have done so.
I have read everything you posted, and to be honest I already knew what you were trying to do before you even explained it. It was blatantly obvious attempt to say something scummy and wait for people to jump on you about it. Its one of the oldest WIFOM tricks in the book and I haven't seen it work in years because everyone I know sees right through it. Kpaca used to try and pull this kind of crap all the time on Day 1 just to stir the pot. I was tired of waiting for it to play out because it wasn't going anywhere and nobody was taking the bait.
My vote isn't moving from Misting. People who set traps or run gambits I'm always a little leery of, but those who completely mischaracterize the reactions to those gambits are scum. Everything that Misting has written about my reaction to him is demonstrably false. I don't need to ask him any more questions because I already know what I need to know.
Okay, so from the moment I made my gambit post, you knew what I was doing, and jumped on me before I explained to get me to move along, correct? Because no one was taking the bait? The problem is, in your own post, you said the game was stagnating because people needed to hear from me. Why? Because Iso had jumped on me, Wessel was questioning, and others were questioning them. That is anything but "no one taking the bait", and it most certainly worked. Also, you saying "everyone I knows see's right through it", while providing no evidence is, to me, an attempt to make the town feel insecure about their own abilities and position.
How have I mischaracterized your reactions? You have never said this before, you have revealed nothing in my posting which is "demonstrably false", and if you were town you would not be content with sitting on a vote while asking no questions.
So here's one: Kpaca pulled this "crap" D1 a bunch, did he? How much, and what was his alignment?
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@Atheist: The "mud-slinging at misting" was indeed me explaining to Tom why I think Wessel's behaviour was suspicious. That had nothing to do with Misting. It seems you didn't even read the conversation and are just looking for reasons why I am scum.
I indeed absolutely don't want a mass claim, but I fail to see what is so scummy about that?
@Misting: you seemed to be having a meta reason to think Iso to be either cop or scum. I was afraid that, if you were going to explain the meta and Iso isn't scum, the scum would know who to kill.
I am going to read the reactions again tomorrow. Wessel's stuck out most to me, but the general opinion seems to point towards FO.
The only ones that can get useful info out of this is the scum, so I am against a mass name claim.
This was the part that felt off to me. The argument that scum could flavor-game while also being immune to flavor-gaming themselves just doesn't sound logical. Hearing arguments like this just make me believe that the person has more at stake than they are admitting to. I'd expect townies to have less surety.
Eron's response is what I would expect from town that are against the claim. No attempt to claim what the scum would gain.
@Iso - Just to confirm, you are serious about this claim? If so, I'm not familiar with the flavor so I'm not sure if we would gain anything from a name claim. I'm going with a "no" at this point.
This was the part that felt off to me. The argument that scum could flavor-game while also being immune to flavor-gaming themselves just doesn't sound logical. Hearing arguments like this just make me believe that the person has more at stake than they are admitting to. I'd expect townies to have less surety.
Fair enough, I suppose. I don't agree for reasons of my own, but hey.
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I have to agree with AthiestGod, Rhand's post against the mass name claim definitely seems suspicious. That being said, I do have to agree with him that a name claim would not be useful because even with the little knowledge of the flavor I have, I know that everyone wants the headmaster dead so names would probably not matter.
Alrighty, I'm back from Christmas. I had a good one. I hope everyone else did too. For now, I'll need to do a reread and see if I can actually understand what's going on.
@Iso: Feeling any better?
@Name Claim: It wouldn't do me any good since I don't know the flavor.
I have to agree with AthiestGod, Rhand's post against the mass name claim definitely seems suspicious. That being said, I do have to agree with him that a name claim would not be useful because even with the little knowledge of the flavor I have, I know that everyone wants the headmaster dead so names would probably not matter.
Seriously, are you going to provide ANY content? Any at all?
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I think we're waiting for the holidays to be over, so we can actually have people post... With that in mind I'll reread Wednesday when I have the day off. Til then, Happy New Years! Don't get too smashed!
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Vote count:
Forgotten One (4): Misting, Tom, Wessel, Iso
Misting (1): Forgotten One
AtheistGod (1): Ellemenno P
Not voting (6): Lord_McDonalds, EtR, dazbog_eaterofsouls, pikachugundam, Rhand, AtheistGod
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Since misting explained what he did, there is no harm done. And we all wonder why when someone calls someone cop. But we don't want to give our cop to the scum on a golden platter, so actually asking to explain why someone might be cop seems very anti-town to me.
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I did read a few games to get an idea of how to play it.
Why do you ask?
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Your answer is weird. Would you give my view on wessel's post more weight if I had more experience?
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I don't plan on doing that but to be frank, most of what I would ask has been asked already, and nothing has really stuck out to me thus far, admittedly I haven't read into them to thoroughly.
Curious, is post #150 the only one that implies Tom/Rhand to be scum to you or are there others?
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This still seems wrong. What if Misting had a reason other than info gathering, and you would've convinced him to share it?
There's only a few of us actually saying something. Is it the holidays, or does this always happen?
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This post earns Iso a lot of townie points in my eyes. His sick posting felt very scummy, but the explanation combined with this post reverse most of that. I like seeing evidence like this to support an excuse, an excuse by itself doesn't count for much to me.
I can understand Wessel's views on Tom & Rhand, and "RVS is random voting stage. Just because I've been making jokes about custard doesn't mean I'm in RVS; you suggesting that you might vote him for the custard alone does, though." seems very weird/suspicious to me. It is possible that they are simply playing poorly, though. At the least, their interactions are not good town play.
Doing a reread, focusing on Tom/Rhand.
This seems diversionary. Being against a mass claim isn't scummy, but the way he argues it could easily be scum trying to divert people.
This post combined with his response to Iso's "Yes" could be fishing. It could easily be nerves and trying to hide his own scum game that causes him to interrupt Iso's questioning of Misting.
Reversing but adding in a bit of mud-slinging at Misting.
Overall, relooking at the thread has me feeling that Tom is town with a poorly made comment in the middle of a sizable post. However, Rhand's posts are continually giving off scummy vibes.
At this point, FO and Rhand are the only two that I'm still leaning scum on. Iso, Misting, and Tom all feel town and Wessel feels neutral, but leaning town.
Eh, I wouldn't use sarcastic to describe that in that case, but that's just semantics.
Okay, seriously, don't continue this argument until you go back and read my big explanation and following posts, which you have clearly not. I'll take you questions when you have done so.
The ones I got at the time are mentioned here. Since then FO has slipped even further, you have begun leaning town, Tom leans further town, and I'm still forming opinions on the others.
What are these other reasons which you were thinking of?
Can you expand on this? What is suspicious, and why is it bad town play to you? Also, that statement is PG/Tom, not Rhand/Tom.
I disagree with your first point. How is it diverting people? Can you direct me to the response to Iso's "yes" post. Not sure what you mean. I also disagree with your third point. I think if it's slinging at anyone, it's Wessel, but its intent is to explain to Tom why he thinks its worthy of note in the face of his neutrality.
The follow up to the 2nd quote is:
I see that I could be mistaken about the 3rd post.
To clarify why I felt that the first quote could be diverting, the reaction to a mass name claim seemed over the top. Such a reaction seems like someone that absolutely does not want a mass name claim and is trying to prevent people from even considering it.
Where did you see this?
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My first quote in the earlier post. (post 77)
Then you should look up the meaning of the word sarcastic...
I have read everything you posted, and to be honest I already knew what you were trying to do before you even explained it. It was blatantly obvious attempt to say something scummy and wait for people to jump on you about it. Its one of the oldest WIFOM tricks in the book and I haven't seen it work in years because everyone I know sees right through it. Kpaca used to try and pull this kind of crap all the time on Day 1 just to stir the pot. I was tired of waiting for it to play out because it wasn't going anywhere and nobody was taking the bait.
My vote isn't moving from Misting. People who set traps or run gambits I'm always a little leery of, but those who completely mischaracterize the reactions to those gambits are scum. Everything that Misting has written about my reaction to him is demonstrably false. I don't need to ask him any more questions because I already know what I need to know.
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In that case, I don't really see fishing as the most likely option. It's the sort of thing I would have said in response to Iso there.
As I said, semantics.
Okay, so from the moment I made my gambit post, you knew what I was doing, and jumped on me before I explained to get me to move along, correct? Because no one was taking the bait? The problem is, in your own post, you said the game was stagnating because people needed to hear from me. Why? Because Iso had jumped on me, Wessel was questioning, and others were questioning them. That is anything but "no one taking the bait", and it most certainly worked. Also, you saying "everyone I knows see's right through it", while providing no evidence is, to me, an attempt to make the town feel insecure about their own abilities and position.
How have I mischaracterized your reactions? You have never said this before, you have revealed nothing in my posting which is "demonstrably false", and if you were town you would not be content with sitting on a vote while asking no questions.
So here's one: Kpaca pulled this "crap" D1 a bunch, did he? How much, and what was his alignment?
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I indeed absolutely don't want a mass claim, but I fail to see what is so scummy about that?
@Misting: you seemed to be having a meta reason to think Iso to be either cop or scum. I was afraid that, if you were going to explain the meta and Iso isn't scum, the scum would know who to kill.
I am going to read the reactions again tomorrow. Wessel's stuck out most to me, but the general opinion seems to point towards FO.
This was the part that felt off to me. The argument that scum could flavor-game while also being immune to flavor-gaming themselves just doesn't sound logical. Hearing arguments like this just make me believe that the person has more at stake than they are admitting to. I'd expect townies to have less surety.
Eron's response is what I would expect from town that are against the claim. No attempt to claim what the scum would gain.
I admit that I was mistaken about the 3rd quote.
Fair enough, I suppose. I don't agree for reasons of my own, but hey.
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also applies to PG.
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Since nothing else is happening right now, it's probably our best option to see this through, at least until the mod shows up.
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Vote count:
Forgotten One (4): Misting, Tom, Wessel, Iso
Misting (1): Forgotten One
AtheistGod (1): Ellemenno P
Not voting (6): Lord_McDonalds, EtR, dazbog_eaterofsouls, pikachugundam, Rhand, AtheistGod
The following players have been prodded:
Lord_McDonalds (last post 12/23)
AtheistGod (last post 12/27)
dazbog_eaterofsouls (no posts)
Misting (last post 12/24)
Forgotten One (last post 12/24)
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