PG was a last resort that I wasn't too excited about myself, but we had a deadline.
LMD has essentially been counterclaimed, and has had mucho scummy behavior as can been seen in my case. He still hasn't answered at least 3 questions I've asked around then, either (while saying I'm not trying).
The only parallel I see is that they are newer players. Just because PG was town doesn't mean LMD is.
Tom says that PG was a last resort and he wasn't excited about lynching him. That's weird to me because Tom was the third person on the PG wagon as shown here:
@EtR: Why do you feel like we won't get anywhere with lynching someone you think is scum? What "better options" do we have than lynching scum?
I don't feel like we will get anywhere because he had 0 interactions that stood out. It's not like PG was sowing discord. He was just skating through. Better options would have been lynching scum that were doing stuff
Thank you for defining the term "grasping at straws".
Your case is that I took third on a wagon that I wasn't thrilled about. So? If you remember, I was one of the first to push that wagon, because I knew we needed to agree on someone to lynch. PG wasn't my top choice, as I had said, but he looked like the one most of us could agree on. He wasn't contributing much helpful work at all.
The second part you quoted I already explained. I was not "keeping you in the scummy pile" because you were against the PG lynch, it was because you claimed to believe PG was scum and didn't want to lynch him, with the terrible reasoning of "because I'd rather lynch a better scum". It looks as though you were setting yourself right on the fence so that if the lynch was having trouble happening you could jump on, but if it wasn't you could keep your vote off and look better Day 2 because you called PG as town.
Coming out with this awful case when we have perfectly good scum via counterclaim does not speak well for you. If LMD does in fact flip scum it will speak worse.
That does not sound like you are sure there is a bodyguard in this game. No playing stupid or lack of comprehension. Stop ad homming.
Given we're talking about whether or not we are scum/town, avoiding ad hominem is nigh impossible (we aren't discussing politics or whether mangara of corondor is playable)
I still fail to understand what you see as me saying I am not sure there is a bodyguard.
3. Seriously, how are you going to tell me what my reads are?
If you read what I've posted, you'd know that I think Iso is town presently.
If you flip town (super unlikely) then I think Iso is scum. If it was just about behavior I'd have both you and Iso as scum. But it's not, we have a counterclaim. Comprende?
- How are you going to tell me I am lying about being the bodyguard?
- I have, I still don't believe you, moving on.
- You, Iso and I have mentioned this several times (don't remember if anyone else has), you especially.
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What motivation would I have for lying and saying that I think Iso is town when I really think he is scum?
Barring FO, most everyone else thinks he's town and a good chunk think I am scum, it favors you to state things people want to hear. Also known as confirmation bias.
That does not sound like you are sure there is a bodyguard in this game. No playing stupid or lack of comprehension. Stop ad homming.
Given we're talking about whether or not we are scum/town, avoiding ad hominem is nigh impossible (we aren't discussing politics or whether mangara of corondor is playable)
I still fail to understand what you see as me saying I am not sure there is a bodyguard.
Of course ad hom is avoidable. Just don't throw out your unnecessary comments like saying "i'm playing stupid or lack simple comprehension".
No one has counterclaimed bodyguard, I'm not up on my mafia game balance theory, but it's entirely possibly there is a bodyguard
That. Read it. "it's entirely possible there is a bodyguard". If you were a bodyguard, wouldn't you know there is a bodyguard, instead of just saying it is possible?
3. Seriously, how are you going to tell me what my reads are?
If you read what I've posted, you'd know that I think Iso is town presently.
If you flip town (super unlikely) then I think Iso is scum. If it was just about behavior I'd have both you and Iso as scum. But it's not, we have a counterclaim. Comprende?
- How are you going to tell me I am lying about being the bodyguard?
- I have, I still don't believe you, moving on.
- You, Iso and I have mentioned this several times (don't remember if anyone else has), you especially.
-Because you were essentially counterclaimed and the above sounds like you aren't sure about a bodyguard in the game.
-Don't believe what? That I thought he was scum because of his behavior and now that he counterclaimed you I believe he is town until proven otherwise?
-Not sure what you are referring to, but ok.
Quote from Tom »
What motivation would I have for lying and saying that I think Iso is town when I really think he is scum?
Barring FO, most everyone else thinks he's town and a good chunk think I am scum, it favors you to state things people want to hear. Also known as confirmation bias.
Most of this game people have had town reads on Iso, except for FO and Misting for a period of time (IIRC). For most of this game I've also been thinking he is scum / pushing for his lynch. You think I give a crap about "confirmation bias"? You think that all of a sudden I would be concerned with stating things people want to hear, when I've been doing the opposite most of the game? You think that is more likely than I simply have him as town now because he essentially counterclaimed you? Do you even know how counterclaims work?
Lord_McDonalds - falseclaiming scum
AtheistGod - My mind literally cannot conjure up anything when I think of AtheistGod.
EtR - Leaning town due to scumhunting.
infectiousbaloth - Scummy because of super strange voting patterns
Misting - townie
Tom - scummy due to reasons stated before
Prophylaxis - town
Forgotten One - gut townie feel
Rhand (m. Arnnaria) - scummy because of hammer, but I can brush it off as newbie
Iso - simple. confirmed town if Golden Arches flips scum, confirmed scum if GA flips town.
@Golden Arches I would love for you to talk about the "If you kill me now, I'll become more powerful than you will ever know" comment.
@Golden Arches I would love for you to talk about the "If you kill me now, I'll become more powerful than you will ever know" comment.
Is it correct to infer you didn't read the last page, cause even though I botched the quote, I'm fairly certain I was making a star wars reference, but oh well.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Well, discussion here was pretty dead for a while, but I guess it was starting to pick up there at the end. More people say something to make twilight interesting!
Here, if McD flips town, I am very inclined to believe Tom is scum. Gut says AG town. Something strikes me as off about Proph's T/S list, can't place it.
How sad that I'm one of three living players who haven't been prodded.
Lord_McDonalds - Hopefully scum after that self-hammer/my CC.
AtheistGod - Leaning town read in early game, has done absolutely nothing that I can remember = null now.
EtR - I remember thinking he was town for some reason. Probably in the way he was pushing people.
infectiousbaloth - Could go either way at this point. Where'd IB go, anyway?
Misting - Probably town
Tom - I dislike the premise on which he pushed LMD over me; town read but maybe scum if LMD is town.
Prophylaxis - Posts make absolutely no sense. Scum.
Forgotten One - Obvscum. Go see my big case, as well as his willingness to lynch literally anybody and his blatant fishing attempts throughout this Day. (JFC we're still only on Day 2. Pick up the pace, people.)
Rhand - I had to think for a moment on why I thought Rhand was scum earlier; then I remembered his Day 1 hammer. My choice for scum team is LMD, FO, and Proph, but if I'm wrong about one, the last scum's probably between IB, Rhand, and AG (though leaning one of the former two over AG).
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
(If you can't tell I'm pretty much demotivated in this game to the point of where I'm willing to push my scum reads based solely on the fact that I think they're scum; beyond that, unless someone else actually bothers doing something this game [read: not me, since I've put forth more effort than everyone else combined], I'm just going to say, "X is scum, let's lynch them.")
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Are we? ARE WE? Perhaps this is a scum attempt by Tom to discredit us, eh? Or perhaps he's been a SK all along, and just not killing N1 to throw us off. To top it off, Wessel is secretly a Mafia with the ability that they look like the cop when dead! WHO REVIEWED THIS GAME!
After a day of grumbling and grambling, which is just grumbling and ambling combined, a specialty of wizards, Lord_McDonalds had been killed and shown to be on the archchancellor's side, even in death. As the somber evening passed, everyone thought things would be clearer in the morning.
Things were a bit blurrier for some.
AtheistGod was discovered... well, in bits, really. All about the place. It was as though a beast from the Dungeon Dimensions had ripped through into this reality and rent him asunder. He didn't have cash on him for the rent, so the beast simply clipped him into bits. Or something else happened to him. Once he was pieced back together, he was discernably Windle Poons, Vanilla Town.
Come on. So obvious. He was willing to lynch ANYONE yesterDay and then set up the false dichotomy between LMD and myself.
And I got Roleblocked again last Night, though I have no idea why, given that the scum didn't even try to shoot me to test the RB canceling passive BP theory.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
@LordMcDonalds: You are drowning in WIFOM right now.....
@Iso: Why would you even admit you have a role?
@Proph: Other than the hammer vote, did you see anything else from Rhand that you find scummy about his play? Or is your vote based solely on his hammer vote?
@FO: I didn't. I admitted that I received a Roleblock notification last Night, regardless of whether or not I was able to take a Night action.
Really??? Is that common practice here? (to give a notification that someone was roleblocked if they used no ability) I mean even if you were a Cop and you got roleblocked, would the Mod say 'you got roleblocked'? I always just stated (as a Mod) that they would receive no results... and I certainly would not have told somebody that they were targeted by a roleblocker if they didn't use an ability.
There are like a dozen posts of me defending my actions to Misting. All you did was choose excerpts out of it and twisted the words to mean something other than what they were obviously intended to mean. Blatant misrep. Blatant removal of context.
Can we lynch Iso now? Vote: Iso
Tries to vote me off the island, despite saying he wanted LMD dead earlier
I explain that I'm not willing to do that and he asks why so I cite IB's reads that I agree with. FO then takes EVERY SINGLE POST IB MAKES WHERE HE STATES ANY READS HE HAS FROM THE START OF THE GAME AND ASKS ME WHICH ONES I AGREE WITH. I mean, I figure it would be pretty damn obvious I meant his most recent reads, those being the ones in the post he had made last at the time. Maybe that's just me, though?
...then in his next post, FO presents a quasi-case against LMD.
I would like a response from Lord McD before I do anything, but I also wonder if we should just put him at L-2 and ask him to claim.
Then FO pushes LMD more in his next post.
Then FO pushes for a massclaim.
Then FO fishes for my role and sets up the false dichotomy between LMD and myself.
Then FO tries to get me lynched based off of bad modgaming.
Then FO tries to bail LMD out.
Then FO lies about his play in Legendary Samurai.
Then FO pushes more bad setup gaming and the massclaim.
Then FO tries to get one of his scumbuddies to claim Doc so that we can lynch LMD (despite me already CCing).
Then FO tries to bail LMD out again.
Then FO tries to backpedal which game he was talking about earlier, citing that "at least the number of posts I stated was correct :na:" as though that were some sort of defense.
...then FO says "hay nvm let's not massclaim now that Iso has claimed" and votes LMD.
...then FO unvotes LMD and votes me because Proph agreed with the LMD lynch.
Then FO says he'd be fine with a Proph lynch.
Then FO gets mad when I call him out on his scumtastic behavior.
Then FO tries to set up a dichotomy between the two of us.
Then FO says his scum reads are me, IB, and Proph.
Then FO draws attention to the lurkers.
Then FO completely waffles on my claim.
Then FO does some more bad modgaming.
Then FO is suddenly interested in Tom's "mistake" despite not touching on it the million and three times I brought it up at the beginning of the Day.
Since FO isn't responding to a million quotes in any of these posts:
Unvote, Vote: Tom. If it can't be Iso and we aren't mass-claiming then I would much rather it be Tom than LMD.
Wait, what? Suddenly, Tom?
Then when I ask why, his oh-so-clever response is, "Why not?"
(My girlfriend does that and it's so irritating because I just want an answer to the goddamn question :facepalm:)
Then FO conveniently "finds" more data on Basic setups and uses it to backpedal YET AGAIN on his modgaming.
THEN FO PUSHES THE MASSCLAIM AGAIN.
THEN FO SAYS THAT THE LMD LYNCH SEEMS "TOO EASY". DESPITE IT TAKING THIS LONG TO DEVELOP.
So, let's review.
On Day 2, FO:
* Advocated a massclaim
* Backpedaled on his stance on the massclaim
* Advocated a massclaim again
* Pushed LMD
* Backpedaled on his stance on LMD
* Pushed LMD again
* Backpedaled on his stance on LMD again
* Pushed me
* Set up a false dichotomy between LMD and myself
* Tried to lynch IB
* Tried to lynch Proph
* Tried to lynch me
* Tried to lynch Tom
* Tried to lynch LMD
* Lied about past games
* Used bad setup/modgaming as a crux for his argument
* Waffles on my claim
* Gets mad when all of his awful behavior is pointed out
* Fails to present a case on Tom when requested
* Lurking
* Active lurking
* Massive fishing attempts
Seriously, anyone who chooses to vote me over FO right now is an idiot.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I didn't do any rereading, because I wanted to see if I ended up dead first. Out of the gate, I'm leaning towards voting Iso, but I am concerned with the "lynch anyone" attitude that FO seems to have demonstrated from the posts that Iso pointed out.
I'm going to attempt a reread and see what I come up with.
McDo was convinced Iso is town.
Are we sure that this is a dichotomy?
Why are you willing to trust the reads of a player who
a. Wasn't very good
b. Someone who had access to the same amount of evidence and information every one else does
Are you bringing up the possibility of 4 PRs?
You're right about the reads of McDo.
I just am not convinced that the two pr's are mutually exclusive and this wagon is forming at massive speed. Misting and IB haven't even checked in yet and Iso is already at 3 votes.
We're in lylo. We should talk before lynching?
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I just am not convinced that the two pr's are mutually exclusive and this wagon is forming at massive speed. Misting and IB haven't even checked in yet and Iso is already at 3 votes.
We're in lylo. We should talk before lynching?
Actually, we're in mylo, but they're similar enough right now that it matters little. I think No Lynching right now is probably a bad idea.
I've been getting more an more worried that this mod-gaming is going to backfire, i.e. Iso is telling the truth. I also agree with the points made against FO just now.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
If we lynch anyone else and they happen to be town while Iso is scum I'll feel a lot worse than if we lynch Iso and he's town.
No matter who we lynch today there will be the fear that that player is actually town rather than scum, but that's not reason to stop the lynch. It's pretty much WIFOM.
For me everything points to Iso and that is where my vote shall stay.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Do you really think people are going to fall for this? I mean, its obvious that everyone in this game is a lemming and that they have followed you into two mislynches already, but how many times can you go to that well?
I've seen it, though I didn't remember that line.
Anyway please answer the questions I just asked you.
Thank you for defining the term "grasping at straws".
Your case is that I took third on a wagon that I wasn't thrilled about. So? If you remember, I was one of the first to push that wagon, because I knew we needed to agree on someone to lynch. PG wasn't my top choice, as I had said, but he looked like the one most of us could agree on. He wasn't contributing much helpful work at all.
The second part you quoted I already explained. I was not "keeping you in the scummy pile" because you were against the PG lynch, it was because you claimed to believe PG was scum and didn't want to lynch him, with the terrible reasoning of "because I'd rather lynch a better scum". It looks as though you were setting yourself right on the fence so that if the lynch was having trouble happening you could jump on, but if it wasn't you could keep your vote off and look better Day 2 because you called PG as town.
Coming out with this awful case when we have perfectly good scum via counterclaim does not speak well for you. If LMD does in fact flip scum it will speak worse.
Given we're talking about whether or not we are scum/town, avoiding ad hominem is nigh impossible (we aren't discussing politics or whether mangara of corondor is playable)
I still fail to understand what you see as me saying I am not sure there is a bodyguard.
- How are you going to tell me I am lying about being the bodyguard?
- I have, I still don't believe you, moving on.
- You, Iso and I have mentioned this several times (don't remember if anyone else has), you especially.
Barring FO, most everyone else thinks he's town and a good chunk think I am scum, it favors you to state things people want to hear. Also known as confirmation bias.
I was tired when I wrote that and misspoke (or mis-typed is it).
Of course ad hom is avoidable. Just don't throw out your unnecessary comments like saying "i'm playing stupid or lack simple comprehension".
That. Read it. "it's entirely possible there is a bodyguard". If you were a bodyguard, wouldn't you know there is a bodyguard, instead of just saying it is possible?
-Because you were essentially counterclaimed and the above sounds like you aren't sure about a bodyguard in the game.
-Don't believe what? That I thought he was scum because of his behavior and now that he counterclaimed you I believe he is town until proven otherwise?
-Not sure what you are referring to, but ok.
Most of this game people have had town reads on Iso, except for FO and Misting for a period of time (IIRC). For most of this game I've also been thinking he is scum / pushing for his lynch. You think I give a crap about "confirmation bias"? You think that all of a sudden I would be concerned with stating things people want to hear, when I've been doing the opposite most of the game? You think that is more likely than I simply have him as town now because he essentially counterclaimed you? Do you even know how counterclaims work?
Uh-huh.
Lord_McDonalds - falseclaiming scum
AtheistGod - My mind literally cannot conjure up anything when I think of AtheistGod.
EtR - Leaning town due to scumhunting.
infectiousbaloth - Scummy because of super strange voting patterns
Misting - townie
Tom - scummy due to reasons stated before
Prophylaxis - town
Forgotten One - gut townie feel
Rhand (m. Arnnaria) - scummy because of hammer, but I can brush it off as newbie
Iso - simple. confirmed town if Golden Arches flips scum, confirmed scum if GA flips town.
@Golden Arches I would love for you to talk about the "If you kill me now, I'll become more powerful than you will ever know" comment.
Is it correct to infer you didn't read the last page, cause even though I botched the quote, I'm fairly certain I was making a star wars reference, but oh well.
Never watched Star Wars.
Fat if, but for lulz, let's find out.
/unvote Tom; Vote Lord_Mcdonalds
If it's worth doing once, it's worth doing right
/unvote Tom; Vote Lord_Mcdonalds
It requires spoiling part of the movie unfortunately
Iso linked the line itself, but you should really watch the movie itself.
Why are you voting yourself LMD?
Unless I'm mistaken, that's a lynch.
It is twilight.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
No matter, 1 scum down (I hope)
Well, we're about to find out then
Peace
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Here, if McD flips town, I am very inclined to believe Tom is scum. Gut says AG town. Something strikes me as off about Proph's T/S list, can't place it.
Now you're turn!
Lord_McDonalds - Hopefully scum after that self-hammer/my CC.
AtheistGod - Leaning town read in early game, has done absolutely nothing that I can remember = null now.
EtR - I remember thinking he was town for some reason. Probably in the way he was pushing people.
infectiousbaloth - Could go either way at this point. Where'd IB go, anyway?
Misting - Probably town
Tom - I dislike the premise on which he pushed LMD over me; town read but maybe scum if LMD is town.
Prophylaxis - Posts make absolutely no sense. Scum.
Forgotten One - Obvscum. Go see my big case, as well as his willingness to lynch literally anybody and his blatant fishing attempts throughout this Day. (JFC we're still only on Day 2. Pick up the pace, people.)
Rhand - I had to think for a moment on why I thought Rhand was scum earlier; then I remembered his Day 1 hammer. My choice for scum team is LMD, FO, and Proph, but if I'm wrong about one, the last scum's probably between IB, Rhand, and AG (though leaning one of the former two over AG).
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I'm done here. See ya'll in the morning.
If McDo flips scum, I think he confirmed Eron as town with his self-hammer.
LMD has been lynched. He was the Lecturer in Recent Runes, Town Bodyguard.
It is Night. Night will end Tuesday at 9 PM Eastern Time.
Things were a bit blurrier for some.
AtheistGod was discovered... well, in bits, really. All about the place. It was as though a beast from the Dungeon Dimensions had ripped through into this reality and rent him asunder. He didn't have cash on him for the rent, so the beast simply clipped him into bits. Or something else happened to him. Once he was pieced back together, he was discernably Windle Poons, Vanilla Town.
It is now Day 3. With 8 alive, it is 5 to lynch.
Vote Iso
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Brago, King Eternal | Oona, Queen of the Fae | Wort, Boggart Auntie | Wort, the Raidmother
Captain Sisay | Rhys, the Redeemed | Trostani, Selesnya's Voice | Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight | Obzedat, Ghost Council | Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind | Vorel of the Hull Clade
Uril, the Miststalker | Prossh, Skyraider of Kher | Nicol Bolas | Progenitus
Ghave, Guru of Spores | Zedruu the Greathearted | Damia, Sage of Stone | Riku of Two Reflections
Come on. So obvious. He was willing to lynch ANYONE yesterDay and then set up the false dichotomy between LMD and myself.
And I got Roleblocked again last Night, though I have no idea why, given that the scum didn't even try to shoot me to test the RB canceling passive BP theory.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Are we sure that this is a dichotomy?
I'm gonna go dig up posts from yesterDay proving why we should lynch FO.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Pushes LMD, fishes me, defends Rhand
More fishing
Tries to vote me off the island, despite saying he wanted LMD dead earlier
Absolutely no contribution to the state of the game
Absolutely no contribution to the state of the game
Now, let's get into the fun part.
Then FO vanishes for 5 days, and suddenly...
...then his next post is an attempt to build a case on me.
Then:
I explain that I'm not willing to do that and he asks why so I cite IB's reads that I agree with. FO then takes EVERY SINGLE POST IB MAKES WHERE HE STATES ANY READS HE HAS FROM THE START OF THE GAME AND ASKS ME WHICH ONES I AGREE WITH. I mean, I figure it would be pretty damn obvious I meant his most recent reads, those being the ones in the post he had made last at the time. Maybe that's just me, though?
...then in his next post, FO presents a quasi-case against LMD.
Then FO pushes LMD more in his next post.
Then FO pushes for a massclaim.
Then FO fishes for my role and sets up the false dichotomy between LMD and myself.
Then FO tries to get me lynched based off of bad modgaming.
Then FO tries to bail LMD out.
Then FO lies about his play in Legendary Samurai.
Then FO pushes more bad setup gaming and the massclaim.
Then FO tries to get one of his scumbuddies to claim Doc so that we can lynch LMD (despite me already CCing).
Then FO tries to bail LMD out again.
Then FO tries to backpedal which game he was talking about earlier, citing that "at least the number of posts I stated was correct :na:" as though that were some sort of defense.
...then FO says "hay nvm let's not massclaim now that Iso has claimed" and votes LMD.
...then FO unvotes LMD and votes me because Proph agreed with the LMD lynch.
Then FO says he'd be fine with a Proph lynch.
Then FO gets mad when I call him out on his scumtastic behavior.
Then FO tries to set up a dichotomy between the two of us.
Then FO says his scum reads are me, IB, and Proph.
Then FO draws attention to the lurkers.
Then FO completely waffles on my claim.
Then FO does some more bad modgaming.
Then FO is suddenly interested in Tom's "mistake" despite not touching on it the million and three times I brought it up at the beginning of the Day.
Since FO isn't responding to a million quotes in any of these posts:
Wait, what? Suddenly, Tom?
Then when I ask why, his oh-so-clever response is, "Why not?"
(My girlfriend does that and it's so irritating because I just want an answer to the goddamn question :facepalm:)
Then FO conveniently "finds" more data on Basic setups and uses it to backpedal YET AGAIN on his modgaming.
THEN FO PUSHES THE MASSCLAIM AGAIN.
THEN FO SAYS THAT THE LMD LYNCH SEEMS "TOO EASY". DESPITE IT TAKING THIS LONG TO DEVELOP.
So, let's review.
On Day 2, FO:
* Advocated a massclaim
* Backpedaled on his stance on the massclaim
* Advocated a massclaim again
* Pushed LMD
* Backpedaled on his stance on LMD
* Pushed LMD again
* Backpedaled on his stance on LMD again
* Pushed me
* Set up a false dichotomy between LMD and myself
* Tried to lynch IB
* Tried to lynch Proph
* Tried to lynch me
* Tried to lynch Tom
* Tried to lynch LMD
* Lied about past games
* Used bad setup/modgaming as a crux for his argument
* Waffles on my claim
* Gets mad when all of his awful behavior is pointed out
* Fails to present a case on Tom when requested
* Lurking
* Active lurking
* Massive fishing attempts
Seriously, anyone who chooses to vote me over FO right now is an idiot.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Scuuum.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Iso (2): Prophylaxis, Forgotten One
Forgotten One (1): Iso
Not voting: EtR, infectiousbaloth, Misting, Rhand, Tom
I'm going to attempt a reread and see what I come up with.
Why are you willing to trust the reads of a player who
a. Wasn't very good
b. Someone who had access to the same amount of evidence and information every one else does
Are you bringing up the possibility of 4 PRs?
Lynching anyone else is dumb.
You're right about the reads of McDo.
I just am not convinced that the two pr's are mutually exclusive and this wagon is forming at massive speed. Misting and IB haven't even checked in yet and Iso is already at 3 votes.
We're in lylo. We should talk before lynching?
no u
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Actually, we're in mylo, but they're similar enough right now that it matters little. I think No Lynching right now is probably a bad idea.
I've been getting more an more worried that this mod-gaming is going to backfire, i.e. Iso is telling the truth. I also agree with the points made against FO just now.
Gah, I'm waiting for IB.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
No matter who we lynch today there will be the fear that that player is actually town rather than scum, but that's not reason to stop the lynch. It's pretty much WIFOM.
For me everything points to Iso and that is where my vote shall stay.
Jalira, Master Polymorphist | Endrek Sahr, Master Breeder | Bosh, Iron Golem | Ezuri, Renegade Leader
Brago, King Eternal | Oona, Queen of the Fae | Wort, Boggart Auntie | Wort, the Raidmother
Captain Sisay | Rhys, the Redeemed | Trostani, Selesnya's Voice | Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight | Obzedat, Ghost Council | Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind | Vorel of the Hull Clade
Uril, the Miststalker | Prossh, Skyraider of Kher | Nicol Bolas | Progenitus
Ghave, Guru of Spores | Zedruu the Greathearted | Damia, Sage of Stone | Riku of Two Reflections
except the stuff that points to FO
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
ftfy
I'm 300% sure Iso is scum right now. Waiting for two more votes.
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{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Do you really think people are going to fall for this? I mean, its obvious that everyone in this game is a lemming and that they have followed you into two mislynches already, but how many times can you go to that well?
Jalira, Master Polymorphist | Endrek Sahr, Master Breeder | Bosh, Iron Golem | Ezuri, Renegade Leader
Brago, King Eternal | Oona, Queen of the Fae | Wort, Boggart Auntie | Wort, the Raidmother
Captain Sisay | Rhys, the Redeemed | Trostani, Selesnya's Voice | Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight | Obzedat, Ghost Council | Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind | Vorel of the Hull Clade
Uril, the Miststalker | Prossh, Skyraider of Kher | Nicol Bolas | Progenitus
Ghave, Guru of Spores | Zedruu the Greathearted | Damia, Sage of Stone | Riku of Two Reflections