Can you help me make my point on Kanks D4 play for me please?
Kank counter-claimed Mao. And while the way in which that happened was suspicious enough, what happened the next day is even stranger. Kank should have been feeling very good about having proven his claim and catching the scum, but instead, he came in acting like he was still a suspect. He even inexplicably offered himself up as a lynch. I've never seen a townie in that position act like that.
Kank should have been acting like he was confirmed town. -The only explanation I can see for his behavior is that he is scum and was still uncertain about how effective the gambit was and/or didn't quite understand what it was supposed to accomplish.
Can you help me make my point on Kanks D4 play for me please?
Kank counter-claimed Mao. And while the way in which that happened was suspicious enough, what happened the next day is even stranger. Kank should have been feeling very good about having proven his claim and catching the scum, but instead, he came in acting like he was still a suspect. He even inexplicably offered himself up as a lynch. I've never seen a townie in that position act like that.
Kank should have been acting like he was confirmed town. -The only explanation I can see for his behavior is that he is scum and was still uncertain about how effective the gambit was and/or didn't quite understand what it was supposed to accomplish.
-How's that?
Thanks! Thats perfect. Now heres to hoping for a miracle.
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KCC: you were the only person to see me as town and thanks.
Wessel: I was just in your position and I know how you feel in there having to pick, but you had an ally so pay heed next time. The worst thing you could do is to not have a stronger communication with KCC and together work out a plan. Additionally pay attention to the general motives of others and how they try to act. See how I pushed Kank for various reasons and not one of them was terribly poor. Compares with D4 my play was actually scummy.
EtR: sorry for irritating you with my little pokes but I wanted to see if you were so deadset on lynching me that you had to be scum. Also again, look at the motives of players actions. I may be pushing Kank, but it wasn't flimsy reasoning.
Also added bonus on Kank now in hindset, he was so sure etr was town and given how I believed he scumslipped his teams plans, he leaked that etr was town. Only scum are so sure that someone is town who isn't autocleared
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Hardly. I was absolutely convinced that KCC was town Day 1 in Basic #69, that I fought against her mislynch to the very end.
(I was right, and I was the town vig.)
Sure, I vig shot the town cop that night by mistake, but hey! We all make mistakes, right?
Here, have a cookie:
I promise that there's no poison in them--unless you are allergic to chocolate chips and very small amounts of vanilla!
(Oh, and if you're intolerant to gluten, eggs, butter, sugar, etc.)
What I don't like is that nowhere has it ever been said when exactly the LTR would come into place. I thought it was the end of the 12th, but apparently it was the start of the 12th (which was only said AFAIK six hours before).
But Proph saying the game will move to Night makes me think Shark is scum, so it's all right then.
If you seriously believe I am still scum after all this, you are severely mistaken.
The only reason it will go to night is because after I'm dead it's still 3 v. 2 on town v. scum. If someone has a trick that they aren't claiming, then there's a chance of a scum night death or prevented kill, which means we still have a chance to win.
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Here, have a cookie:
I promise that there's no poison in them--unless you are allergic to chocolate chips and very small amounts of vanilla!
(Oh, and if you're intolerant to gluten, eggs, butter, sugar, etc.)
Here, I'll even eat one first:
See? Yummy!
I'm not bitter atm, but genuinely trying to understand your thought process, so that next time we can win together and not have to pray for miracles.
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Hi guys, I'm not home currently so me and Proph will need additional time to give this game the ending it deserves, however is not fair to keep this charade anymore, the game is indeed over, Shark is a townie and this is a scum victory, congrats.
I will address all the concerns, the feedback, provide all roles, night actions and commentary hopefully soon. Thanks you all for playing.
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The game is not being dumbed down. Control is doing fine; Draw-Go is not the only kind of control. Aggro is doing fine; Red Deck Wins is not the only kind of aggro. Creature combat is an important core concept and belongs in every color. Mythic rarity is not destroying the game. People whine too much for no good reason. Magic is more popular than ever, so keep calm, brew some decks and play some damn cards.
Here, have a cookie:
I promise that there's no poison in them--unless you are allergic to chocolate chips and very small amounts of vanilla!
(Oh, and if you're intolerant to gluten, eggs, butter, sugar, etc.)
Here, I'll even eat one first:
See? Yummy!
I'm not bitter atm, but genuinely trying to understand your thought process, so that next time we can win together and not have to pray for miracles.
1. I understand slightly. I was being sarcastic there mainly, but eh. Not enough for me to make the leaps you made.
2. I would think that was more of an indication that Kank is scum than I was scum. He was obviously being very fencesitty and that is scummier. I think that you should have focused on him than trying to figure out whether or not I was scum there. In your explanation, you missed the possibility where he could have been scum and I was town. Though I see your logic, I just disagree with it.
3,4,5, and post following: I am intrigued to hear now given the fact that I was indeed town and the game is indeed over.
Edit: I also want to hear more from EtR too on his opinion of me and why he was deadset on me as scum.
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Good game, everyone. I bussed Maokun pretty hard because he implicated me as scum and I had to wash that off. I'll link the post later. Well played by everyone, especially Rhand.
Blarg. I'm sorry guys. I'll take the blame for this one.
@Shark - It wasn't so much that I thought you were scummy as it was believing IB was town. Once I had that I'm my head, I started seeing your actions as scummy. The poking at me was one thing but the biggest was your early interactions with Kank today. I really did read it as distancing.
My bad guys. I'm still pretty terrible at this game.
Edit: IB is officially kicked out of the Mid Card Mafia. Leaving just me. ..
@EtR: You had Maokun so solidly and so early that we had to try to scramble to come up with ways to play around that. Don't discount your play in this game for one minute!
But Kank, if you're reading this: the fight is on! Don't expect me to treat you this softly next time!!!
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Town MVP should go to Rhand. Both for his N1 protection of KCC and his analyses and hard work throughout the whole game.
I am so busy nowadays, that I can't dedicate the time needed for these games. My first full game was #69 (since KOTH was disbanded), where we won with a town victory, and now this one.
I'll be happy to hold on to my 100% win record for both town and scum by taking an early retirement!
And ditto on Rhand = Town MVP. He's getting my vote too.
Oh, since it's Mafia and all, I'll make it official...
You can't reach a consensus on lynching one player, and then, at the last possible second, randomly switch your vote to someone else with no warning or discussion whatsoever. -That's inexcusable.
I would like to apologize for the misvote count 27. I saw a lot of votes and apparently my browser extension that lets me scroll down a mafia game by only hitting the space bar went wonky. I didn't see EtR's vote, and I wasn't sure how to take things from there.
@Prophylaxis: Both EtR and Wessel voted for Shark before IB and I did. Even if there was a vote held back by either Wessel or EtR (but not both), Shark would have gotten the three votes needed to trigger the LTR just a few hours later.
Kank for mafia MVP, and Rhand or KCC for town MVP.
I have to apologize now to the rest of the game for the end of D3 -- I still had a great hand and I played my cards completely wrong. I also had to breadcrumb more aggressively to Rhand (more posts like this). I also needed to push Kank harder, but hindsight is 20/20
If you'll allow me to be a bit selfish, does anyone have comments on my play specifically? This was my first "real" completed game.
I'm conflicted on the LTR system. As long as deadlines are more explicit, the final version isn't all that bad.
IB and I's little war gave pretty good fruit in the end! I'm going to be a bit boastful here and say that that was top-notch bussing! My death basically guaranteed IB's life until endgame. The funniest thing is that my case on IB was rock solid Since I knew he was scum I was pointing actual and telling mistakes (and IB counter-attacked in kind). It was hilarious to see you guys dismissing them even when I plead and plead for you to pay attention. *evil grin* I can't speak for IB but I think that at that point it was irrelevant whether he or I bit the bullet, the other would be almost auto-cleared until lylo, but I guess it's better that IB lived because he has more experience than I. Good job IB! Also good job with the counter-claim Kank, it was genius even if you could have followed better as KCC and shark pointed.
Thanks for the game guys, it was fun! /barn Rhand for TMVP
I'm calling it right now- worst rare in the set. Even good limited players will find better bombs at common and uncommon no sweat. Worst. Episode. Ever.
I really do predict this to be our worst rare in set award winner. I'd be happier opening a jar of eyeballs, so I think anything worse is highly unlikely. This card wont just have zero constructed potential, but not be significantly better than a mass of ghouls in a draft.
They had us matched up too closely Mao, despite our mild distancing. I pretty much had to pull that counter claim out of my butt on the spot or they were going to hit us with a one-two punch otherwise (I still wasn't sure that it would work out as well as it did).
Agree. You got MTGDDS easily and if I hadnt replaced in, iPot was doomed for the next spot. I had to fight an uphill battle but only managed to convince KCC. Your claim was so not matching the other planeswalkers and your play was a mismatch to your cleared town status. Yet you still won and congrats to you for that convincing win.
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My counter-claim had to be different in its simplicity because I only know the cards--I don't know the back stories of any of the MtG characters. I would lose any flavor/history match on the spot unless I had a good Google result to save me. The last time I read about any MtG storyline at all was with the very first MtG comics back in the mid-90's. Something about the Urza/Mishra wars I think.
5. What I'm going to say now is coming from the bottom of my heart. I'm weak. I just... couldn't vote Kank. Something prevented me from doing so. It's a combination of us being good friends and because I felt I shouldn't discourage him from playing Mafia (since this was his first real game) by nitpicking on things. Things I felt I also did in my first ever game. So although I at some point felt that Kank was leaning scum, I couldn't vote him just yet and tried my best to see if there wasn't a way in which the things he said couldn't come from a newb town mindset. Often things also come down to just arbitrary feelings in which you see one person doing something suspicious and you immediately attack that person for it, and another time someone else does the same thing and you brush it away. I admit, I was weak. I'm sorry to you all. Especially KCC and Shark. And Rhand.
Could that also not have applied to me or the other first timers?
Enjoyed the game all! Will be back to play again.
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If the AC repair dude doesn't show up bright and early tomorrow, I'm gonna borrow some of DDS' dental tools to carve out his eye sockets like jack o lanterns.
Circumstantially this feels like a town answer. I've never felt surer of a KK lynch than I do now.
Yes. This, so much this. Let us think about this carefully: If PSR were scum, now it would be the perfect time to present a false/safe/whatever claim; totally warranted and in fact, requested, she could definitely help her case. A town only has things to lose by claiming, on the other hand: if she's a power role, she'd be signing her death sentence for tonight. If she's vanilla, not claiming may make scum suspect she has a power role and NK her, so sparing a true PR. I'm not going to say it's definite proof of townness, but it is definitely pro-town behaviour.
I think refusing to claim is anti-town. The only reason that claiming is a formality is so we don't lynch power roles by mistake. Refusing to claim, in my opinion, means VT or scum. I'm pretty comfortable with a PSR lynch now.
Hi town IB
And here we have our now very expected post of EtR jumping in to contradict common sense with the feeling of his gut... which seems to be quite enamoured with KK (maybe he's a great cook?)
Anyway onto my update (first post of this kind may be found here:
Heavy Scum Lean
KosaKosa: He was already in my scum list back then (around midpoint from the start of the game) and he has been very steadfastly inching his way up on my scum scale. I've seriously been trying to find holes in my own reasoning but then he helpfully makes another scum-stinking post and I'm left wondering why do I bother.
EtR: I had a pretty null read on The Dark passenger but since EtR arrived, he's been strenuously defending KK with nothing but a-priori statements that are backed but by the feeling of his gut -as he had to admit- in lieu of any substantial evidence. At the same time, he's been pushing an anti-PSR agenda that seems but a desperate effort to distract from a KK's lynch and that has almost as little foundation as his KK case.
Scum Lean
Truk: He basically disappeared from the map following the KK debacle -maybe he blames himself for causing it or was fearing to become smeared by the spillover? I guess that since scum can only communicate at night he had no way to know that KK would fall so absurdly for what seemed like a trap for nooby town PRs. He's no longer my prime suspect as he was in my previous dossier (mostly because now I have better suspects,) but I sure as hell haven't forgotten the reasons why I initially suspected him. It's unfortunate that TEIN had to join basically in AFK mode.
iPot: Back then, iPot's posts seemed erratic and purposeless to me and I just shrugged my shoulders rather than try to pry any lean from that. However, since EtR arrived, he seems to have found his way -which is subtly agree with him on most things. Whether this is because he's scum too or just because he truly believes EtR to be town and right is left to see, but since EtR is a strong scum lean for me, I'm suspecting iPot a bit too now.
50%/50%
PhoenixSunRise: In my previous post I said: "Some of his actions at the beginning seemed scummy but his posts have been great ever since, seems quite clever and aware. If scum, a great danger, if town, a great asset." This keeps being true almost exactly today as then. She sometimes has some posts that make me raise an eyebrow, but then some really clear, pro-town posts that set back my doubts. Right now, I'd say she's 51% town in my eyes.
IB: Dammit, if I hadn't have a fresh experience dealing with him, I'd put him on the scum lean because posts that are basically a random quote and then saying "Hi town" or "Scum. Vote" are super unhelpful to town in my opinion as they provide 0 information and make him appear as though he can see things that others can't but should agree with him anyway. However, now I know that's his playstyle even when he's town so I'm trying really hard to keep an open mind about him.
Rhand: I previously had a null read on HnS but afterwards he kept acting like a classical town noob. However, now he's been replaced, and Rhand swinging at first going by "his gut" following EtR's ways forces me to reconsider whatever town points HnS had gained in my eyes.
Town lean
MzztrTetris: Perhaps a bit overzealous, but definitely pro-town in all his posts. my opinion on him hasn't changed much.
Heavy Town Lean
The Most Curious Thing: I think we can all agree here?
Null Read
jdisawesomesauce: Most likely he'll be replaced. Let's hope he'll be the last one.
You mean the "even when he's town" part? I guess you are right. At that point I only thought that it should be read as me claiming not to have any idea of your alignment but now I know that I should also mind how the things I say will look once I'm dead.
Regardless, your bussing me and my bussing you was completely the right move and I'm glad that we managed to pull it to such believable extents.
I'm calling it right now- worst rare in the set. Even good limited players will find better bombs at common and uncommon no sweat. Worst. Episode. Ever.
I really do predict this to be our worst rare in set award winner. I'd be happier opening a jar of eyeballs, so I think anything worse is highly unlikely. This card wont just have zero constructed potential, but not be significantly better than a mass of ghouls in a draft.
Is it wrong that I picture you singing this in a Taylor Swift-esque way?
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Clan RepresentativeUnvote, Vote SharkFinnigan
Not at all.
Like there is going to be a Tomorrow after a Shark lynch.
-Also, preemptive congrats on the scum win, unless Wes gets back here and fixes his vote.
Vote Kank Come on Wes, don't let me down.
Thanks KCC for believing in me! I promise this is no gambit. Can you help me make my point on Kanks D4 play for me please?
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Kank counter-claimed Mao. And while the way in which that happened was suspicious enough, what happened the next day is even stranger. Kank should have been feeling very good about having proven his claim and catching the scum, but instead, he came in acting like he was still a suspect. He even inexplicably offered himself up as a lynch. I've never seen a townie in that position act like that.
Kank should have been acting like he was confirmed town. -The only explanation I can see for his behavior is that he is scum and was still uncertain about how effective the gambit was and/or didn't quite understand what it was supposed to accomplish.
-How's that?
Thanks! Thats perfect. Now heres to hoping for a miracle.
—Lazav
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I'm voting Shark.
But you were gravely mistaken at me and now unless someone has a trick I cannot predict, good luck town.
—Lazav
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KCC: you were the only person to see me as town and thanks.
Wessel: I was just in your position and I know how you feel in there having to pick, but you had an ally so pay heed next time. The worst thing you could do is to not have a stronger communication with KCC and together work out a plan. Additionally pay attention to the general motives of others and how they try to act. See how I pushed Kank for various reasons and not one of them was terribly poor. Compares with D4 my play was actually scummy.
EtR: sorry for irritating you with my little pokes but I wanted to see if you were so deadset on lynching me that you had to be scum. Also again, look at the motives of players actions. I may be pushing Kank, but it wasn't flimsy reasoning.
Also added bonus on Kank now in hindset, he was so sure etr was town and given how I believed he scumslipped his teams plans, he leaked that etr was town. Only scum are so sure that someone is town who isn't autocleared
—Lazav
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Clan Representative(I was right, and I was the town vig.)
Sure, I vig shot the town cop that night by mistake, but hey! We all make mistakes, right?
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Curse PremiumThis is indeed correct.
That is a lynch. It is now Twilight.
I'll put the game to night when I wake up tomorrow.DRey has come back and will put up the scene.—Lazav
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No, it's over. Apparently.
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Clan RepresentativeHere, have a cookie:
I promise that there's no poison in them--unless you are allergic to chocolate chips and very small amounts of vanilla!
(Oh, and if you're intolerant to gluten, eggs, butter, sugar, etc.)
Here, I'll even eat one first:
See? Yummy!
If you seriously believe I am still scum after all this, you are severely mistaken.
The only reason it will go to night is because after I'm dead it's still 3 v. 2 on town v. scum. If someone has a trick that they aren't claiming, then there's a chance of a scum night death or prevented kill, which means we still have a chance to win.
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Lol.
@Wessel: Now knowing that IB and Kank are officially the scumteam, how do you feel and what really made me scummier than those two?
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I'm not bitter atm, but genuinely trying to understand your thought process, so that next time we can win together and not have to pray for miracles.
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Clan RepresentativeIt has vampires and werewolves too you know!
I will address all the concerns, the feedback, provide all roles, night actions and commentary hopefully soon. Thanks you all for playing.
Mythic rarity is not destroying the game. People whine too much for no good reason. Magic is more popular than ever, so keep calm, brew some decks and play some damn cards.
1. I understand slightly. I was being sarcastic there mainly, but eh. Not enough for me to make the leaps you made.
2. I would think that was more of an indication that Kank is scum than I was scum. He was obviously being very fencesitty and that is scummier. I think that you should have focused on him than trying to figure out whether or not I was scum there. In your explanation, you missed the possibility where he could have been scum and I was town. Though I see your logic, I just disagree with it.
3,4,5, and post following: I am intrigued to hear now given the fact that I was indeed town and the game is indeed over.
Edit: I also want to hear more from EtR too on his opinion of me and why he was deadset on me as scum.
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I really thought we had it when Maokun flipped scum.
I'm sad now
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Clan RepresentativeDon't be sad! Have a :cookie:!
You played really well by the way.
Your choice of protecting KCC night one and your playstyle Day 2+ was superb!
@Shark - It wasn't so much that I thought you were scummy as it was believing IB was town. Once I had that I'm my head, I started seeing your actions as scummy. The poking at me was one thing but the biggest was your early interactions with Kank today. I really did read it as distancing.
My bad guys. I'm still pretty terrible at this game.
Edit: IB is officially kicked out of the Mid Card Mafia. Leaving just me. ..
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Clan RepresentativeI am so busy nowadays, that I can't dedicate the time needed for these games. My first full game was #69 (since KOTH was disbanded), where we won with a town victory, and now this one.
I'll be happy to hold on to my 100% win record for both town and scum by taking an early retirement!
And ditto on Rhand = Town MVP. He's getting my vote too.
Oh, since it's Mafia and all, I'll make it official...
Vote Rhand as Town MVP
But shouldn't kcc get the mvp? She figured the game out after all.
vote: kank for scum mvp. The thing you said about wessel being the n1 nk target had me fooled bigtime
Yes, it is.
You can't reach a consensus on lynching one player, and then, at the last possible second, randomly switch your vote to someone else with no warning or discussion whatsoever. -That's inexcusable.
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Clan RepresentativeShe wouldn't have been around to have such an impact on the game without you saving her my man!
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DRey and I will be posting a postmortem of the game soon when he gets back.
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Clan RepresentativeThat discussion time would have been significantly better spent before switching your vote.
I would have argued against it had you given me some warning! But you said, "Ok, let's lynch Kank," and then pulled the rug out from under me.
At least allwin really was scum in the end lol
Kank for mafia MVP, and Rhand or KCC for town MVP.
I have to apologize now to the rest of the game for the end of D3 -- I still had a great hand and I played my cards completely wrong. I also had to breadcrumb more aggressively to Rhand (more posts like this). I also needed to push Kank harder, but hindsight is 20/20
If you'll allow me to be a bit selfish, does anyone have comments on my play specifically? This was my first "real" completed game.
I'm conflicted on the LTR system. As long as deadlines are more explicit, the final version isn't all that bad.
IB and I's little war gave pretty good fruit in the end! I'm going to be a bit boastful here and say that that was top-notch bussing! My death basically guaranteed IB's life until endgame. The funniest thing is that my case on IB was rock solid
Thanks for the game guys, it was fun! /barn Rhand for TMVP
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Clan RepresentativeCould that also not have applied to me or the other first timers?
Enjoyed the game all! Will be back to play again.
Thanks to Ace of Spades for the Sig and avatar!!
My Decks
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BBMaralen ANT EDHBB
UUHeidar, Winter Is ComingUU
Regardless, your bussing me and my bussing you was completely the right move and I'm glad that we managed to pull it to such believable extents.
Also, was EtR a pr? The OP dosn't say Vanilla
I was indeed vanilla.
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Clan RepresentativeAh, I figured you and TMCT would have tried protecting each other.
Does anyone know if we'll get an end story segment?