All of you are hopeless. I'm done with this discussion. How about you guys decide who to lynch today. I'll let you know if I see any serious logical errors or notice any scumslips. No one is listening to my rational and I don't scumhunt the same way you guys do. With so few interactions on Day 1, I don't see as much to attack yet. (And I definitely don't agree with the case on Megiddo.)
Let me know if you need me. I'll be reading along.
Everything in my head is telling me to hold my tongue on this, but I have to say it: I find this post of yours in poor taste and reeking of immaturity. You presented your logic and several people explained why it is wrong and why we won't be following it. You then precede to basically say "nu-uh" and continue to endorse it. We call you scummy for it and now we get a post where you basically shut down and say you can't participate because you are different then us.
Sometime in the next week or so I will be going on an emergency V/LA while my daughter undergoes yet another surgery. I will announce when, when I find out the exact date.
Sometime in the next week or so I will be going on an emergency V/LA while my daughter undergoes yet another surgery. I will announce when, when I find out the exact date.
Godspeed tordeck, to you and your daughter. I'll be firing up the "knee-mail."
Sometime in the next week or so I will be going on an emergency V/LA while my daughter undergoes yet another surgery. I will announce when, when I find out the exact date.
Thanks for the heads up, and I hope she recovers quickly.
Also, votecount since you guys post like superfast.
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All of you are hopeless. I'm done with this discussion. How about you guys decide who to lynch today. I'll let you know if I see any serious logical errors or notice any scumslips. No one is listening to my rational and I don't scumhunt the same way you guys do. With so few interactions on Day 1, I don't see as much to attack yet. (And I definitely don't agree with the case on Megiddo.)
Let me know if you need me. I'll be reading along.
I'm cringing every time Dragonheart uses language that excludes himself as part of the town group, e.g.: "I don't see any other investigative roles in this game, so I'm basically the best you have atm."
Are we going to have another smiley-case like we did in Starcraft? I can't locate the game it seems, but it would be interesting to check if the one accused because of smiley-use actually was scum. I don't remember anymore. Anyone remembers this?
Here we start with an oblique accusation, together with a massive amount of fence-sitting regarding the meaning of it. This moves on to...
In Starcraft mafia, he had a "nervous" smiley in RVS. Was scum.
Here, he has a "nervous" smiley/exclamation mark. Could very well be scum.
Worth applying pressure to test it. The case is not strong by any means, but one has to start somewhere, right?
Btw I don't trust Iso one bit saying Void is town, he's been scum in far to many of my recent games. (Iso that is.)
Taking a look at the expansion on it, he's explaining a pressure vote as...a pressure vote, thereby defeating the purpose of it being a pressure vote in the first place. And the reasoning behind it is still not his own.
This is how the discussion went in Starcraft as well. That's why Void was never lynched, he slithered out of suspicion because TheIceMans case was seen as "lol smiley-slip no way".
While it doesn't have to be true, that doesn't mean that it necessarily is false. It served it's purpose of bringing us clearly out of RVS at least. My vote stands, on the off chance that there's actually something in this. Time will tell. This is not a case of "obvscum Void is totally todays lynch", it's a case of "that's the scummiest I've seen in this game so far".
In a slightly different example, here the reason for his vote's changed from "pressure" to "scummiest he's seen so far" with absolutely no explanation.
I got no idea what alignment Iso has. I just don't feel like trusting him since I can't really read him at all. Seppel usually reads Iso good though, so I'll trust his judgment on him when there has been more content added to the thread (case in point: Star Trek where Seppel & Artifice caught scum-Iso day one rather easily). This means that a Seppel/Iso scumteam would screw me over royally, but that's a chance I'm willing to take.
So two claimed neutral parties, one of which Deaths Vampire severely doubts, and lot's of kpaca-posts. Megiddo is apparently scum, since both Iso and kpaca thinks so, but I can't entirely grasp why.
I like kpacas posting. I think I'll trust him for a while. Guardman as well.
Could someone put together the Megiddo-case for me, in plain text? I understood Isos reasons (weak and weird FoS and some grasping RVS-analysis), but I didn't understand kpacas at all.
Still no original thought. Not even an attempt at it. A whole bunch of pure fence-sitting on other people's thoughts.
You are right. Comparing it to how he worded himself as Rick Santorum (town) he was a lot more relaxed, and needed no exclamation marks to underline his statements.
vote Megiddo
It seems you have lured me into trusting you yet again, Iso! What was the last game I started out beeing incredibly wary and paranoid about you and then ended up trusting you completely during the first 5 or 6 pages?
His new vote on Megiddo, based once again solely on other people's thoughts (Iso).
Conclusion: He has made no effort at all to provide original thought, instead trying to hide and let other people take all the credit/flak from cases. Vote Audinho
1. You can't say "point granted, I just wanted a reaction" when you got a reaction and is still pressing the subject. That's like saying to the officer that just pulled you over for speeding that your wife is about to give birth in the back seat, then drop your wife off and continue speeding. (Weird analogy is weird, was the first thing to enter my mind)
Well, the reaction is good, but I'm not going to just give up on the point after your first reaction. I'm going to press a little bit to get multiple reads on you. Plus one of the other reasons I had brought it up was because it signals early on a connection between you and Iso.
2. My "riding it hard" was putting down a vote and defending why I did so. I stated several times that it was not a strong case, but a point that I felt needed to be put into the light.
Defending why you rode the weak points by stating that you know it's weak isn't a defense. If you wanted to bring something to the light, then say so. Like "Hey, this is important and possibly scummy!". You skipped that and went "Oh hey, Void did this in other games and was scum, ergo, Void is scum in this game". It wasn't a bring to light situation for you, it was I've caught scum on BS moment. And I called BS.
3. I reread the thread. I read all of Megiddos posts. I'm not good at tells, so when someone says "oh yeah Hitler is scum, vote" I usually don't understand why. Both of kpacas and Isos votes were like that. I do however know that kpaca and Iso are strong players, that's why I wanted an explanation to what they found scummy. Iso pointed me to a specific post, which I reread several times, then realized the language was nothing like Rick Santorums. So my reasons to vote are not "Iso said so" as you are trying to make it seem, but a metacall as well as "kpaca and Iso said so". You see the case as weak because he was a gimmick then, I don't think that applies to changes in language.
I can't confirm or deny that you actually reread all of Meg's post as Santorum, so I'm throwing that out the window. But hey, you admit that you are puppydogging Iso here, as well as Kpaca, a player who has openly stated that he's not aligned with the town. So your vote boils down to "Meta and these guys are telling me to". Good sheep.
4a. I'm not nitpicking on words. I'm calling you out on misrepresenting me. You are obviously trying to put me in a bad light since you think I'm scum, I'm defending myself by countering your arguments.
I'm not misrepresenting bro. I'm calling stuff how I see it. So call it misrepresenting, I'll call it nitpicking, point is that you are focusing on the words and not their point. Your posts regarding your paranoia of Iso may not have been diatribe-like, but we clearly got the impression that you have Iso-phobia: fear of Iso's. My whole point was you are all fear and question the Iso's and then go all buddy-buddy with the guy.
4b. No, I understand your point and your point is wrong. Take a step back and read it again, now knowing that my mistrust for Iso does not apply to alignment. Do you now see what I meant?
This is regardless of alignment. If you just have mistrust for Iso whether he's scum or not, you shouldn't have such a quick change of heart. BTW, what am I supposed to reread to get this bigger point you are trying to make? Cause all I know is you came in all "Iso is scary" and then turn right around and are happy, even admit to following him and his point. It's a non-sequitar. It does not follow. It's inconsistent to your early game Iso-centric posts.
BTW, I'm paraphrasing a lot of stuff here, so let's not get nit-picky with all those now either.
5. Please stop using Dragonhearts meta on me. It's not correct. As I said before, I've only played one scumgame and I were a wreck. I doubt Dragonheart even read it. I got no idea where he is getting this meta from.
You know what this reminds me of? "PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN!". This little except seems awfully defensive. As for the last response of "Why don't you look other places, hmm?" does this mean that I'm justified in looking into you?
Active lurking: I'm never lurking, and I take great offence from beeing called a lurker. If I don't add proper content in my posts it's probably because I'm overwhelmed by the scale of the game, or simply can't think of anything to add. I utterly despise players coasting through games without playing in them, and I'm far from one of them. I post several times a day and try my best to add content with each post. Take now for an example. I'm dead tired, but I just spent the better part of an hour reading catching up with the thread and writing this post. I value paying attention highly.
Yeah, this is where morning me should wake up sooner. I admit, and have admitted, that you aren't lurking. What I should have been saying is that your post was no-content. My point about you active lurking for one post is that it held no content, so it was just a post for show basically, hence Active Lurking.
Third: You should have quoted the post here, I'm to tired to go looking for it again. But since you are referring to the same point as the "No-look barn" I'll refer to my answer to that again.
Actually, the third point refers back to the second, but it's all so tied up in these post wars that I doubt it does much good.
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It's pretty clear that I allready did but failed to grasp it.
No, what you quoted doesn't make you rereading the thread to create your own case clear. What you quoted only tells me that you somewhat grasped Iso's reasoning, although you admitted it was weak, and you failed to grasp Kpaca's reasoning. Don't try to twist your old post to make it seem like you went hunting through the thread for evidence against Meg, because that's not what it says at all. You are understanding other players reasoning, not looking for your own reasons throughout Meg's many posts.
Bolded3: So to Wessel it's an extreme argument, but to me you are sticking with it full force? Trying not to step on toes, are we?
Yeah, mostly because I was using the wrong definition and wording, but my point has never changed. Morning me just got his typing tongue tied. So, I'm sticking with the argument, what we are calling it just changed.
Bolded4: Then call me lazy, ffs. It's a world of difference. Still incorrect, but that doesn't provoke me as much. I think you are also aware that you can't really vote me for beeing lazy, so you are using the known scumtell Active Lurking to make your case look legit.
Nope, I can vote you for being lazy. It's a scumtell bro. Having other players write cases and find evidence for you? Scummy. Cause that leads to barning other players and just floating through the game, something scum want to do, if they can get away with it. So yeah, I'm changing the Active Lurking argument to No-Content, even though it's same point I'm trying to make, and I'm hounding you for laziness. Know the main reason why laziness is a big scumtell? Because scum already know the alignments, so they have much less to work for. A complacent attitude is a scummy attitude.
How is that fishing? He said it's a gambit, I'm assuming there's something in the thread or some analysis he has that makes it a gambit in his eyes, so I'm asking for the analysis. If it's something role related, that's a different story, but he gave no indication that it was. So I'm not fishing for role information, I'm asking a pretty damn legit question. One that still needs answering BTW.
Also, wouldn't someone knowing that Seppel was gambiting be good information to have? You know, since half the town is still stuck on the neutral's reveal and whatnot. Wouldn't that clear up a bit of confusion and lead to a more informed gamestate?
[QUOTE=Audinho;/comments/10841902]It's a pretty well known fact that scum will try to divert town into neutral-hunting, is it not?
I would assume so, but go ask Wessel, he's the one who asked. I merely gave an answer. What point are you trying to make here, other than a slighted attempt to insult me?
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Since I'm bored, let's start with the premise: Audinho is going as far as humanly possible to avoid posting original thoughts.
This starts even at the beginning of the game.
Here we start with an oblique accusation, together with a massive amount of fence-sitting regarding the meaning of it. This moves on to...
Even when he's voting, he's avoiding using his own reasoning. It's never "I think that this is true", but rather "TheIceMan said this about Void".
Taking a look at the expansion on it, he's explaining a pressure vote as...a pressure vote, thereby defeating the purpose of it being a pressure vote in the first place. And the reasoning behind it is still not his own.
Same here.
In a slightly different example, here the reason for his vote's changed from "pressure" to "scummiest he's seen so far" with absolutely no explanation.
No original thought, just intent to /barn Seppel.
Still no original thought. Not even an attempt at it. A whole bunch of pure fence-sitting on other people's thoughts.
His new vote on Megiddo, based once again solely on other people's thoughts (Iso).
Conclusion: He has made no effort at all to provide original thought, instead trying to hide and let other people take all the credit/flak from cases. Vote Audinho
You're cool. I should have been doing this instead of postwars.
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All of you are hopeless. I'm done with this discussion. How about you guys decide who to lynch today. I'll let you know if I see any serious logical errors or notice any scumslips. No one is listening to my rational and I don't scumhunt the same way you guys do. With so few interactions on Day 1, I don't see as much to attack yet. (And I definitely don't agree with the case on Megiddo.)
Let me know if you need me. I'll be reading along.
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@Cyouni: Audi is possibly scum too, but we're a-lynching Dragonheart first.
Seppel, you know my scum meta pretty thoroughly having just moderated a game with me as scum. Are you assuming that I just threw it completely out the window and decided to implode this game?
Or more likely, you are a Neutral/Scum and are more than happy to see anyone lynched as long as it isn't you.
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I am voting you for FoSing Aud. Basically FoSing is scummy because it is designed to put pressure on without commitment. Town have no need of FoSing unless their vote is tied up somewhere else. Yours was tied up in the RVS so it was technically free. Scum on the other are much more likely to FoS as it applies pressure, has no commitment, and does not show up in a vote count. Therefore they are usually the only people to ever FoS in a game and are almost always the one's to FoS in a situation where one's vote is free.
Believe it or not, that's never come up for me before, not to my recollection anyway. I'll keep this in mind in the future.
Tell me, Megiddo. Why did you find it important enough to leave your RVS vote standing, but only FoS Audinho?
And what do you think of Void?
Where did he do this before?
What do you currently think is more likely? That both Seppel and kpaca are neutral? That one of them is lying? That both of the are lying? What about AI in those cases? In what order do you want them killed and on which day?
I think it's of no consequence.
Since when do scum worry about Serial Killers?
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1. I said already that I didn't think Audi was worth voting for just for that. I'm now being told that such a thing is weak, which I'm 99% sure has never actually come up in any of my games before. Even here, I'm still learning. As for the RVS vote, as I wasn't planning on voting anybody else, I wasn't going to unvote. That's it.
2. I'd like to wait for void to get off of V/LA before pronouncing judgment. I'll say that he's not done anything that pushes me one way or another yet.
3. I played in Ghost Story mafia with fluffy, where he vomited his full claim (he was a Bodyguard) into the thread based on a misunderstanding and then checked out for the rest of the game. He basically just popped in once or twice a Day to ask an inane question that proved he wasn't reading and then left. He also voted with no reasoning, most notably when he hammered somebody and then in his next post asked for a vote count... We let him skate by to the endgame because we were sure he wasn't scum (he was what he claimed), but I'm not keen to let that happen again.
4. Unfortunately right now I have to say "I don't know." I seems like a dichotomy we have to resolve. I'll say that, as things stand, I'd rather wait on them and try to scumhunt. If anything fails to check out on their stories? Lynch away.
5. I hope not. Just to assuage my concerns, Mod: Do you have a stance on thanking posts in this game?
The reason I'm asking at all is that we don't know if the scum have daychat or not, and if thanks are allowed they could be used for communication. Since we already have people throwing thanks around it would be easy enough to slip a few scum-to-scum thanks in.
6. Tordeck answered this question already, and I agree with him.
I'll address the game from this post up until now in a bit. My MTGS time is being diverted into staff-related issues. I apologize. Though, I do see that wheat thinks this concern is worth lynching me over though. Mind elaborating why, wheat?
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i'm pretty sure i can find your ***** online within 3 minutes
I am voting you for FoSing Aud. Basically FoSing is scummy because it is designed to put pressure on without commitment. Town have no need of FoSing unless their vote is tied up somewhere else. Yours was tied up in the RVS so it was technically free. Scum on the other are much more likely to FoS as it applies pressure, has no commitment, and does not show up in a vote count. Therefore they are usually the only people to ever FoS in a game and are almost always the one's to FoS in a situation where one's vote is free.
P.S. Congratulations on 5k posts Guardman. Also, you are scum. Your last sentence reads: "I support either of these two townies who seem like low hanging fruit."
No, Guardman is laying it down not attacking low hanging fruit.
The problem is you haven't been discussing. You have been campaigning. You have been more dedicated to info lynching and have been pushing more for info lynching then actual scum hunting.
Your scum hunting consists of a player having a change of tone in a post where he is clearly parodying scum. You then for the most part drop hunting him and instead engage on trying to convince people we should be info lynching day 1. In fact the only real scumhunting towards Ahylis I've seen from you since you voted for him was berating and attacking his persons not his words/actions for agreeing with Seppel and for having a legitimate and good reason for voting you. Plus you called his vote OMGUS when it clearly wasn't.
Seppel, you know my scum meta pretty thoroughly having just moderated a game with me as scum. Are you assuming that I just threw it completely out the window and decided to implode this game?
Or more likely, you are a Neutral/Scum and are more than happy to see anyone lynched as long as it isn't you.
Or his buddy. This is a really bad post Dragon, so you think Seppel has enough experience with you from one game to know your playstyle?
@Seppel I really can't believe you win if you find your buddy, because that's easily breakable ie what you did.
vote: Dragonheart Since I've been the subject of many "I hate your reasoning/logic so you must be scum" attacks and I'm reading fast to keep up so I'll re-read you to see if this is such as you claim.
Also @all fix Wheat grinder's translations, "he doesn't like me fishing" not infinitesimal. @Wheat grinder. I'm trying to decide if kpaca and seppel are mirrored. Seppel Neutral anti-scum/Kpaca Neutral anti-town.
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Town:
Me, Guardman, Wheat (that Post restriction is a great shield for sum but that ploy has been used),
Leaning Town:
D_V (mass claim another scum ploy that has seen its day [yes more WIFOM])
I'm amused that [Shalako], of all people, are talking about terrible reasoning. "Hey, PF's RVS daykill must be serious, therefore I should shoot him to prove that I have a daykill!"
5. I hope not. Just to assuage my concerns, Mod: Do you have a stance on thanking posts in this game?
The reason I'm asking at all is that we don't know if the scum have daychat or not, and if thanks are allowed they could be used for communication. Since we already have people throwing thanks around it would be easy enough to slip a few scum-to-scum thanks in.
Without making mention of any other aspects of this line of query, I will say that there is no game mechanic that uses the thanking system, as it was introduced days before the game was launched.
Though now that you mention it, that might be an idea for Inheritance Mafia II... *gets shot*
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Seppel, you know my scum meta pretty thoroughly having just moderated a game with me as scum. Are you assuming that I just threw it completely out the window and decided to implode this game?
Quando erant vobis. sub pressura. in "Avatar Mafia"?
5. I hope not. Just to assuage my concerns, Mod: Do you have a stance on thanking posts in this game?
The reason I'm asking at all is that we don't know if the scum have daychat or not, and if thanks are allowed they could be used for communication. Since we already have people throwing thanks around it would be easy enough to slip a few scum-to-scum thanks in.
I'll address the game from this post up until now in a bit. My MTGS time is being diverted into staff-related issues. I apologize. Though, I do see that wheat thinks this concern is worth lynching me over though. Mind elaborating why, wheat?
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Also @all fix Wheat grinder's translations, "he doesn't like me fishing" not infinitesimal. @Wheat grinder. I'm trying to decide if kpaca and seppel are mirrored. Seppel Neutral anti-scum/Kpaca Neutral anti-town.
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Never, that's the point. I don't get caught as scum, especially not over stupid **** like this. If you think you found me dropping a scum tell, usually that means I'm town and don't give a ****. Check out ST:V mafia where I got lynched as vanilla town. (And then saved by the Mayor ability.)
If I'm recalling it correctly, the only time I have ever been lynched when I was mafia was when I was a mafia bomb and intentionally got myself lynched in order to kill an untargetable+vigilante townie that was giving us trouble. I also got lynched once when I claimed Neutral Day 1, because the scum convinced the town that I would be detrimental to them. Other than that, I pretty much only get lynched when I'm town.
Lemme know if you guys want anything from me. I'll let you know if I have anything useful to contribute. Otherwise continue to do whatever you want.
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Never, that's the point. I don't get caught as scum, especially not over stupid **** like this. If you think you found me dropping a scum tell, usually that means I'm town and don't give a ****.
Never, that's the point. I don't get caught as scum, especially not over stupid **** like this. If you think you found me dropping a scum tell, usually that means I'm town and don't give a ****. Check out ST:V mafia where I got lynched as vanilla town. (And then saved by the Mayor ability.)
Seppel, you know my scum meta pretty thoroughly having just moderated a game with me as scum. Are you assuming that I just threw it completely out the window and decided to implode this game?
Convincing defense.
DH also:
1. Suggested AI as a safe lynch in the same paragraph as you say that you think Seppel claimed that he would have to leave the game if AI gets lynched. I wouldn't call potentially killing off two non-scum players at once a "safe lynch."
2. Tried to withdraw from actually playing the game. "you decide who to lynch," indeed.
You say that traditional scumtells don't work? Well, let's find out: Unvote, Vote DH
This makes 9 votes by my count, so be careful.
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i'm pretty sure i can find your ***** online within 3 minutes
Let me know if you guys want my final reads, what any kind of claiming from me, or etc. I doubt anything I have to say would really delay the lynch at all, but I would like to help as much as I can on my way out.
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@Iso: Remember when I asked the same question in Cyberpunk? You weren't able to provide an actual rationale then.
My rationale in Cyberpunk was that because I was "town", and Void had a similar mindset to me, he also had to be town. Fortunately, I was able to spin that into an "omg Void is Iso's scumbuddy" situation. Unfortunately, my team didn't win that game.
Don't tell me what my reads are and are not unless you know, for sure, what they are. I can assure you that you don't.
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Your read is based on the tone of Meg's post.
And my read on Void in Homestuck was based on the associations I subconsciously drew from his t/s list - but it was still an immediate gut reaction, much like my reaction to Megiddo's post. I would say "prove me wrong", but you can't.
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It's weaksauce reasoning.
No - your push on me is.
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At any rate, all my analysis of Gut in that game is still totally legit, I just chose the wrong time and person to go after.
You were SCUM! You're defending your SCUM meta while trying to portray yourself as town in this game! How is that comparable? You wouldn't feel the need to draw that correlation unless you are scum.
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You haven't had anything else to say about Meg except "Lynch please?"
You are scum.
Good day sir!
Damn you totally caught me. Because it's not like this segment of your quote is blatantly lying or anything.
You know what this reminds me of? "PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN!". This little except seems awfully defensive. As for the last response of "Why don't you look other places, hmm?" does this mean that I'm justified in looking into you?
This entire case is garbage, but this is probably one of the worst offending parts. People's metas are not. Comparable. To. Each. Other. Actions can be similar, but it should NEVER be the basis of your case.
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I'm some young girl who joined up with a group that use fire based powers to keep the world in balance or something. I've never heard of any of it and can't pronounce most of the names.
My ability is similar to a Medium, but greatly weakened. I can target a player once per night. If that player gets killed, they get to continue talking the next day. (But still lose all their abilities and vote.) So basically, I can let people talk for a Day after death if I pick correctly.
I was pretty disappointed honestly, because this role is very weak. I just consider myself equivalent to a vanilla townsfolk. I tried to talk to the mod, but he is convinced that my role is amazingly super powerful... Which actually makes me wonder about the game balance here. If the mod considers a weakened version of a Medium a powerful town role, that might have skewed game balance slightly in the mafia's favor.
The #1 most useful way to use my ability is paired with any cop or investigative role. If I target them, they will basically get one more shot of their ability after death. (Because they will be able to reveal the results they got that Night when they would normally be dead and unable to talk to us.) The second use for it would be to give a town player who gets vigged a shot at redeeming themselves and info-dumping on their way out.
If anyone cares about my flavor I can go copy/paste the names of everything from my PM. I think my ability makes Torches or Flares or something like that which are supposed to be weakened versions of living souls that slowly fade away. Apparently my character falls in love with one at some point in the show.
@Iso: Since no one will believe me anymore, I don't have to feel guilty. I'm town.
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As long as I was being unlazy and checking my PM, I grabbed the other info. I'm "Shana the Flame Haze". My ability turns people into "Torches". My win condition is "Eliminate All threats to the Town."
Any other questions?
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EBWODP: Just noticed, the moderator didn't put an example town win condition in the first post. Any townie should be able to confirm that I'm town from that now.
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Nah. In my games, I provide the scum with the town win condition AND put it in the OP. I wouldn't say you're cleared, but there are better suspects to pursue.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
When I asked that I didn't know you were gunna quote the damn thing. Figured you would paraphrase and I could figure out if you were lying based on language used.
I figured the win condition was public knowledge and I didn't check the OP until I had posted. My name is paraphrased and "Torches" is a single word that is only part of the ability name.
I am probably safe from modkill unless the mod is feeling vindictive about the win condition.
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2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Dragonheart claimed the sort of weak information role that towns get in Specialties for filler. It is sort of convenient that he can always claim to have "missed" any players who recently died, but it's a fair guess that his role isn't scum if it's as-claimed.
Hopefully he is not modkilled for posting the town win con.
@Arnnaria: I noticed that you were waiting for me to answer a question, but I forgot what it was and don't feel like sifting through the past 200 posts to find it. Could you ask it again, please? TIA.
I skimmed the past 40 posts but haven't read them carefully yet.
Everything in my head is telling me to hold my tongue on this, but I have to say it: I find this post of yours in poor taste and reeking of immaturity. You presented your logic and several people explained why it is wrong and why we won't be following it. You then precede to basically say "nu-uh" and continue to endorse it. We call you scummy for it and now we get a post where you basically shut down and say you can't participate because you are different then us.
Build a robot. Or better yet build a one of those laptop guns from Perfect Dark.
The Family
Godspeed tordeck, to you and your daughter. I'll be firing up the "knee-mail."
@Iso: Remember when I asked the same question in Cyberpunk? You weren't able to provide an actual rationale then.
/barn Guardman re: Dragonheart's post
Thanks for the heads up, and I hope she recovers quickly.
Also, votecount since you guys post like superfast.
Megiddo (5) - AsianInvasion, Iso, Wessel, kpaca, Wheat_Grinder
Dragonheart91 (5) - Seppel, Ahylis, Guardman, Audinho, Arnnaria
Deaths_Vampire (1) - Meggido
Iso (1) - tordeck
Infinis (1) - Void
Audinho (1) - Gricky Timmick
Ahylis (1) - Dragonheart91
With 23 alive, it's still 12 to lynch.
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Your read isn't gut.
Your read is based on the tone of Meg's post.
It's weaksauce reasoning.
At any rate, all my analysis of Gut in that game is still totally legit, I just chose the wrong time and person to go after.
You haven't had anything else to say about Meg except "Lynch please?"
You are scum.
Good day sir!
Quod est ridicule stultus.
Junius 11, Seppel postes:
DH erat Mafia
DH est Mafia.
Ego sum denique *** lynching Megiddo vel DH.
DH was the Mafia
DH is the Mafia.
I am fine with the lynching of Megiddo or DH.
This starts even at the beginning of the game.
Here we start with an oblique accusation, together with a massive amount of fence-sitting regarding the meaning of it. This moves on to...
Even when he's voting, he's avoiding using his own reasoning. It's never "I think that this is true", but rather "TheIceMan said this about Void".
Taking a look at the expansion on it, he's explaining a pressure vote as...a pressure vote, thereby defeating the purpose of it being a pressure vote in the first place. And the reasoning behind it is still not his own.
Same here.
In a slightly different example, here the reason for his vote's changed from "pressure" to "scummiest he's seen so far" with absolutely no explanation.
No original thought, just intent to /barn Seppel.
Still no original thought. Not even an attempt at it. A whole bunch of pure fence-sitting on other people's thoughts.
His new vote on Megiddo, based once again solely on other people's thoughts (Iso).
Conclusion: He has made no effort at all to provide original thought, instead trying to hide and let other people take all the credit/flak from cases.
Vote Audinho
Gratias enim transferendis licet!
Est die II. tamen?
The Family
Non tamen. Adhuc lobortis quis occidere.
HAHAHA. Translator fail.
"Not Yet. We still have to figure out who to kill."
Wheat does your language get more and more current as the Days pass?
Ego potest non dicere.
The Family
Well, the reaction is good, but I'm not going to just give up on the point after your first reaction. I'm going to press a little bit to get multiple reads on you. Plus one of the other reasons I had brought it up was because it signals early on a connection between you and Iso.
Defending why you rode the weak points by stating that you know it's weak isn't a defense. If you wanted to bring something to the light, then say so. Like "Hey, this is important and possibly scummy!". You skipped that and went "Oh hey, Void did this in other games and was scum, ergo, Void is scum in this game". It wasn't a bring to light situation for you, it was I've caught scum on BS moment. And I called BS.
I can't confirm or deny that you actually reread all of Meg's post as Santorum, so I'm throwing that out the window. But hey, you admit that you are puppydogging Iso here, as well as Kpaca, a player who has openly stated that he's not aligned with the town. So your vote boils down to "Meta and these guys are telling me to". Good sheep.
I'm not misrepresenting bro. I'm calling stuff how I see it. So call it misrepresenting, I'll call it nitpicking, point is that you are focusing on the words and not their point. Your posts regarding your paranoia of Iso may not have been diatribe-like, but we clearly got the impression that you have Iso-phobia: fear of Iso's. My whole point was you are all fear and question the Iso's and then go all buddy-buddy with the guy.
This is regardless of alignment. If you just have mistrust for Iso whether he's scum or not, you shouldn't have such a quick change of heart. BTW, what am I supposed to reread to get this bigger point you are trying to make? Cause all I know is you came in all "Iso is scary" and then turn right around and are happy, even admit to following him and his point. It's a non-sequitar. It does not follow. It's inconsistent to your early game Iso-centric posts.
BTW, I'm paraphrasing a lot of stuff here, so let's not get nit-picky with all those now either.
You know what this reminds me of? "PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN!". This little except seems awfully defensive. As for the last response of "Why don't you look other places, hmm?" does this mean that I'm justified in looking into you?
Ok, cool.
Wait where? Cause if you did, I'm sure I responded to it. Or was it in this post? Cause I know I've responded to it.
Yeah, this is where morning me should wake up sooner. I admit, and have admitted, that you aren't lurking. What I should have been saying is that your post was no-content. My point about you active lurking for one post is that it held no content, so it was just a post for show basically, hence Active Lurking.
Actually, the third point refers back to the second, but it's all so tied up in these post wars that I doubt it does much good.
No, what you quoted doesn't make you rereading the thread to create your own case clear. What you quoted only tells me that you somewhat grasped Iso's reasoning, although you admitted it was weak, and you failed to grasp Kpaca's reasoning. Don't try to twist your old post to make it seem like you went hunting through the thread for evidence against Meg, because that's not what it says at all. You are understanding other players reasoning, not looking for your own reasons throughout Meg's many posts.
I don't see the point in bolding this and arguing it.
Yeah, mostly because I was using the wrong definition and wording, but my point has never changed. Morning me just got his typing tongue tied. So, I'm sticking with the argument, what we are calling it just changed.
Nope, I can vote you for being lazy. It's a scumtell bro. Having other players write cases and find evidence for you? Scummy. Cause that leads to barning other players and just floating through the game, something scum want to do, if they can get away with it. So yeah, I'm changing the Active Lurking argument to No-Content, even though it's same point I'm trying to make, and I'm hounding you for laziness. Know the main reason why laziness is a big scumtell? Because scum already know the alignments, so they have much less to work for. A complacent attitude is a scummy attitude.
I would assume so, but go ask Wessel, he's the one who asked. I merely gave an answer. What point are you trying to make here, other than a slighted attempt to insult me?
You're cool. I should have been doing this instead of postwars.
Oh my god I think this is the first time someone has ever tried to strawman me. I'm so excited!
And some extra ad hom too? You must really love me.
Imploding at L-9. You are a darling.
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@Cyouni: Audi is possibly scum too, but we're a-lynching Dragonheart first.
Or more likely, you are a Neutral/Scum and are more than happy to see anyone lynched as long as it isn't you.
(Cropped out the bookends that weren't really addressed to me)
1. I said already that I didn't think Audi was worth voting for just for that. I'm now being told that such a thing is weak, which I'm 99% sure has never actually come up in any of my games before. Even here, I'm still learning. As for the RVS vote, as I wasn't planning on voting anybody else, I wasn't going to unvote. That's it.
2. I'd like to wait for void to get off of V/LA before pronouncing judgment. I'll say that he's not done anything that pushes me one way or another yet.
3. I played in Ghost Story mafia with fluffy, where he vomited his full claim (he was a Bodyguard) into the thread based on a misunderstanding and then checked out for the rest of the game. He basically just popped in once or twice a Day to ask an inane question that proved he wasn't reading and then left. He also voted with no reasoning, most notably when he hammered somebody and then in his next post asked for a vote count... We let him skate by to the endgame because we were sure he wasn't scum (he was what he claimed), but I'm not keen to let that happen again.
4. Unfortunately right now I have to say "I don't know." I seems like a dichotomy we have to resolve. I'll say that, as things stand, I'd rather wait on them and try to scumhunt. If anything fails to check out on their stories? Lynch away.
5. I hope not. Just to assuage my concerns, Mod: Do you have a stance on thanking posts in this game?
The reason I'm asking at all is that we don't know if the scum have daychat or not, and if thanks are allowed they could be used for communication. Since we already have people throwing thanks around it would be easy enough to slip a few scum-to-scum thanks in.
6. Tordeck answered this question already, and I agree with him.
I'll address the game from this post up until now in a bit. My MTGS time is being diverted into staff-related issues. I apologize. Though, I do see that wheat thinks this concern is worth lynching me over though. Mind elaborating why, wheat?
Most impressive.
No, Guardman is laying it down not attacking low hanging fruit.
Guardman says it better than I
Or his buddy. This is a really bad post Dragon, so you think Seppel has enough experience with you from one game to know your playstyle?
@Seppel I really can't believe you win if you find your buddy, because that's easily breakable ie what you did.
vote: Dragonheart Since I've been the subject of many "I hate your reasoning/logic so you must be scum" attacks and I'm reading fast to keep up so I'll re-read you to see if this is such as you claim.
Also @all fix Wheat grinder's translations, "he doesn't like me fishing" not infinitesimal. @Wheat grinder. I'm trying to decide if kpaca and seppel are mirrored. Seppel Neutral anti-scum/Kpaca Neutral anti-town.
Summary
Town:
Me, Guardman, Wheat (that Post restriction is a great shield for sum but that ploy has been used),
Leaning Town:
D_V (mass claim another scum ploy that has seen its day [yes more WIFOM])
Neutral:
Kpaca, Seppel
Leaning Scum:
Dragon H
Scum:
12-11? I'm losing track
Like the sound of that but I've got to get caught up.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Without making mention of any other aspects of this line of query, I will say that there is no game mechanic that uses the thanking system, as it was introduced days before the game was launched.
Though now that you mention it, that might be an idea for Inheritance Mafia II... *gets shot*
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Ego potest non dicere.
Quando erant vobis. sub pressura. in "Avatar Mafia"?
Mafia theoria et disputatione filum. Ego dixit ego utinam.
Nomen tuum est in Latine...
~Ego pellentesque ut notum faciam in litteris maiusculis.~
Verbi causia or gratia: INFINIS
Never, that's the point. I don't get caught as scum, especially not over stupid **** like this. If you think you found me dropping a scum tell, usually that means I'm town and don't give a ****. Check out ST:V mafia where I got lynched as vanilla town. (And then saved by the Mayor ability.)
If I'm recalling it correctly, the only time I have ever been lynched when I was mafia was when I was a mafia bomb and intentionally got myself lynched in order to kill an untargetable+vigilante townie that was giving us trouble. I also got lynched once when I claimed Neutral Day 1, because the scum convinced the town that I would be detrimental to them. Other than that, I pretty much only get lynched when I'm town.
Lemme know if you guys want anything from me. I'll let you know if I have anything useful to contribute. Otherwise continue to do whatever you want.
Unvote, Vote Dragonheart
Ibi est primum tempus omnia.
Etiam. vinum in fronte de me.
Unvote, Vote: Dragonheart91
Convincing defense.
DH also:
1. Suggested AI as a safe lynch in the same paragraph as you say that you think Seppel claimed that he would have to leave the game if AI gets lynched. I wouldn't call potentially killing off two non-scum players at once a "safe lynch."
2. Tried to withdraw from actually playing the game. "you decide who to lynch," indeed.
You say that traditional scumtells don't work? Well, let's find out:
Unvote, Vote DH
This makes 9 votes by my count, so be careful.
[vote]DH[/vote] L-2
Kill it with fire.
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Vote: DH L-2
EDH:
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I loved that weapon. And the proximity mine Dragon was just a dick move to anyone who needed ammo.
My rationale in Cyberpunk was that because I was "town", and Void had a similar mindset to me, he also had to be town. Fortunately, I was able to spin that into an "omg Void is Iso's scumbuddy" situation. Unfortunately, my team didn't win that game.
Don't tell me what my reads are and are not unless you know, for sure, what they are. I can assure you that you don't.
And my read on Void in Homestuck was based on the associations I subconsciously drew from his t/s list - but it was still an immediate gut reaction, much like my reaction to Megiddo's post. I would say "prove me wrong", but you can't.
No - your push on me is.
You were SCUM! You're defending your SCUM meta while trying to portray yourself as town in this game! How is that comparable? You wouldn't feel the need to draw that correlation unless you are scum.
Damn you totally caught me. Because it's not like this segment of your quote is blatantly lying or anything.
How do you feel about Gricky?
This entire case is garbage, but this is probably one of the worst offending parts. People's metas are not. Comparable. To. Each. Other. Actions can be similar, but it should NEVER be the basis of your case.
My preferred lynching order:
Megiddo
Prophylaxis
GrickyTimmick
Dragonheart
tordeck
Then we can figure out the Neutral ****.
Oh yes, let's deflect on to the Neutral some more.
No.
Claim.
Also: You town?
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
My ability is similar to a Medium, but greatly weakened. I can target a player once per night. If that player gets killed, they get to continue talking the next day. (But still lose all their abilities and vote.) So basically, I can let people talk for a Day after death if I pick correctly.
I was pretty disappointed honestly, because this role is very weak. I just consider myself equivalent to a vanilla townsfolk. I tried to talk to the mod, but he is convinced that my role is amazingly super powerful... Which actually makes me wonder about the game balance here. If the mod considers a weakened version of a Medium a powerful town role, that might have skewed game balance slightly in the mafia's favor.
The #1 most useful way to use my ability is paired with any cop or investigative role. If I target them, they will basically get one more shot of their ability after death. (Because they will be able to reveal the results they got that Night when they would normally be dead and unable to talk to us.) The second use for it would be to give a town player who gets vigged a shot at redeeming themselves and info-dumping on their way out.
If anyone cares about my flavor I can go copy/paste the names of everything from my PM. I think my ability makes Torches or Flares or something like that which are supposed to be weakened versions of living souls that slowly fade away. Apparently my character falls in love with one at some point in the show.
@Iso: Since no one will believe me anymore, I don't have to feel guilty. I'm town.
The Family
Any other questions?
Like Megiddo. And Prophylaxis. And Gricky.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
When I asked that I didn't know you were gunna quote the damn thing. Figured you would paraphrase and I could figure out if you were lying based on language used.
The Family
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I am probably safe from modkill unless the mod is feeling vindictive about the win condition.
You guys can all ponder that. Let me know what you want from me.
Do explain how. You're totally barking up the wrong tree, dude.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Hopefully he is not modkilled for posting the town win con.
@Arnnaria: I noticed that you were waiting for me to answer a question, but I forgot what it was and don't feel like sifting through the past 200 posts to find it. Could you ask it again, please? TIA.
I skimmed the past 40 posts but haven't read them carefully yet.