You are seriously going to need to get over that. Especially when you post a random one liner in the middle of a wall post, then 500 pages later someone asks you something and you end up being completely obtuse and you keep repeating "I ALREADY SAID THAT RTFT!". Your use of the RTFT argument when someone can't find what the hell you are talking about and you refuse to give any help whatsoever is pretty scummy.
Actually I can confirm that Iso does this as town or scum. It doesn't make him any less scum here, but that particular issue is null.
So are you going to point to what requires actual refutation or are you going to continue to tell me I haven't proven you wrong when Megiddo (I know he was paying attention at the time) will correct you on this?
I think Tordeck should take another look at this post, in which I did a full examination of all of Iso's games to see if his postcount meta was viable.
If you don't want to reread, the result was that his scum and town post count habits are nearly indistinguishable. In terms of percentage of posts in the thread, they differ by less than 1 percentage point (20.28% for town, 19.5% for scum*). Given the sample size there's no way to say those are different.
*This excluded his game as cult leader and obviously did not include Ozone.
At the time, Iso's stats this game looked like this: Magical Girl (as of that post)
870 posts
Iso: 49 posts, 8th place; 5% of total posts
Right now, though: Magical Girl (as of this post)
2024 posts
Iso: 192 posts, 1st place; 9.5% of total posts
Iso was at the time of the original post abnormally low. Given that there isn't a difference between his town and scum post counts, I said at the time that this could not be valid.
Now, he's just a little lower than his lowest games, but if he keeps his current rate up I think he will fall around where he normally does.
Again, I think this post count meta was not ever and is not now valid, and I'm not sure why it's being brought up again.
Speaking just to tordeck's points, I can't really refute the rest. However, I'm personally not willing to rally behind the CC. We have a mass of info roles, yes, and those that are saying it's unlikely that they are all town have a point. That said, I'm loathe to modgame even a basic, so I'm not interested in doing so here. As for self-meta, is that actually a scummy defense? I would guess that it strikes as being self-aware, which I have heard is a scummy thing to be. Is that correct? And I obviously can't refute gut.
IMO, that "you're only shafting yourselves" comment was worse than just about all of the rest of that. But even so, I'm not convinced that he's scum.
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Iso: regardles of alignmen, please let the meta/postcount nonsense go. Give the thread back. That goes for everyone, it's just taking up time and space.
Anyone who thinks AI could still be scum is incorrect.
Tordeck, it'd be false to say that I didn't claim my information to not try and get Iso lynched. The whole point was to cast doubt on the likelyhood that Iso's role is town.
Also since I did not get a PM saying otherwise I am going to guess that my night action was successful so Cy, got anything you wanna say? Maybe about D_V?
I dont need percentages to see a pattern. One that fit enough to allow me to get a reaction from Iso. Of which he only confirmed his scumness. Though it is always nice when a buddy throws himself out there to try and protect his team. Strange you would be so willing after the bussing on Day 1 but probably all part of the gambit.
Tordeck, it'd be false to say that I didn't claim my information to not try and get Iso lynched. The whole point was to cast doubt on the likelyhood that Iso's role is town.
Timing and manner differentiates yours from his. His was an opportunistic attempt to solidify a mislynch. Yours, at least to me, doesnt seem that way.
scum team right there, if there is a 5th I am not sure of who it is yet. I would say they were hiding in the lurkers but Proph is already covering that spot pretty hard.
Speaking of lurkers, Hey all you down there below the Modline care to actually play a bit or are you just gunna sit on your thumbs and let the rest of us do all the hard work?
Iso: regardles of alignmen, please let the meta/postcount nonsense go. Give the thread back. That goes for everyone, it's just taking up time and space.
Just felt it necessary to remind everyone that Tordeck has no real reason to be on my wagon.
I dont need percentages to see a pattern. One that fit enough to allow me to get a reaction from Iso. Of which he only confirmed his scumness. Though it is always nice when a buddy throws himself out there to try and protect his team. Strange you would be so willing after the bussing on Day 1 but probably all part of the gambit.[/QUOTEO]
Again, you didn't really provide reason for HOW my reaction made me scum. But let me guess, you're going to insist that you did.
[QUOTE=Tordeck]Timing and manner differentiates yours from his. His was an opportunistic attempt to solidify a mislynch. Yours, at least to me, doesnt seem that way.
And all you've done is state some vague reason for this. As has been evident, DRey's lynch was going to happen, with or without my vote.
Of all of the votes on me that I can remember, yours and Arcadic's are the worst.
I mean, at least Gricky is PRETENDING to have a reason to want me lynched.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
P.S. If I'm wrong about two of the scum, lynch Seppel and AI. If three are wrong and those two are scum, so is Cyouni.
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Why is Tordeck not on that list? Everything you've stated is from yesterday, yet you apparently don't think he's scum - he's neither on your list nor your P.S.
Because unfortunately for Tordeck, awful play and tunneling on bad reads is a pretty good indication that he's town. Remember his vendetta against AE and zindabad in Ozone? This is exactly what that is reminding me of.
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Because unfortunately for Tordeck, awful play and tunneling on bad reads is a pretty good indication that he's town. Remember his vendetta against AE and zindabad in Ozone? This is exactly what that is reminding me of.
I dont need percentages to see a pattern. One that fit enough to allow me to get a reaction from Iso. Of which he only confirmed his scumness. Though it is always nice when a buddy throws himself out there to try and protect his team. Strange you would be so willing after the bussing on Day 1 but probably all part of the gambit.
Again, you didn't really provide reason for HOW my reaction made me scum. But let me guess, you're going to insist that you did.
Of all of the votes on me that I can remember, yours and Arcadic's are the worst.
I mean, at least Gricky is PRETENDING to have a reason to want me lynched.
None of these snippets from your last post show that you think of him as town - actually, all of them would be the opposite.
You argue that Tordeck has no reason to be on your wagon - obviously, that's not something that one would say about town.
You argue that he never actually provided a reason as to why your reaction was scummy.
You argue that his vote is terrible, with him not even pretending to have a reason to want you lynched.
None of these things are descriptive of town. The opposite, actually - those are things you'd use to argue for someone's lynch. Hell, there's an example of someone you've argued as scum in a description of "actions less scummy than Tordeck's".
My point is not to indicate a belief that Tordeck is scum but to illustrate why my wagon is full of hot air, especially with bull**** accusations such as Arcadic's declaration that I have not responded to the cases directed towards me.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I dont need percentages to see a pattern. One that fit enough to allow me to get a reaction from Iso. Of which he only confirmed his scumness. Though it is always nice when a buddy throws himself out there to try and protect his team. Strange you would be so willing after the bussing on Day 1 but probably all part of the gambit.
Don't WTB what you are trying to sell. It's not helping that you have to talk yourself into a situation where the behavior you notice in-thread can be reconciled with your preconceived notions regarding who the scum are.
scum team right there, if there is a 5th I am not sure of who it is yet. I would say they were hiding in the lurkers but Proph is already covering that spot pretty hard.
My point is not to indicate a belief that Tordeck is scum but to illustrate why my wagon is full of hot air, especially with bull**** accusations such as Arcadic's declaration that I have not responded to the cases directed towards me.
I do hope you realize that you are using ad hom as a crutch here. But for the sake of transparency (and to give you something productive to do), I want you to analyze the progression of your wagon and indicate who you think is town or scum based on what you observe. (You can feel free to be brief re: Gricky because you just rehashed your case against him.)
tordeck is obvtown, just not helpful ATM. D_V is more or less in the same boat, though I have a weaker read on him.
I feel the same way about AE but think he's town because of his shared read of Proph and Infinis. I will do you one better - I'll compare my wagon at its peak to DRey's, Void's, and DH's - but after I sleep, which will come after I get offa work at 0800 hours.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I suppose Gricky could have just used the argument with Iso as a smokescreen. But that's one huge smokescreen, and the fact that he was thinking about solutions to the game in his off-time really speaks to a town mentality.
scum team right there, if there is a 5th I am not sure of who it is yet. I would say they were hiding in the lurkers but Proph is already covering that spot pretty hard.
Given that I think 3 of those 4 are likely town, I suggest you get a re-read in.
Because unfortunately for Tordeck, awful play and tunneling on bad reads is a pretty good indication that he's town. Remember his vendetta against AE and zindabad in Ozone? This is exactly what that is reminding me of.
/confirm
So Proph's read hasn't arrived yet, and Infinis is still posting well below what makes sense for Infinis. And he's also making non-townInfinis posts. They don't have his standard "what the hell is he talking about?" theories.
So if the Proph wagon won't get steam, the Infinis one should.
Seppel, I'm not sure that thinking about the game outside of the game is indicative of anything but free time. See, my theory was that Gricky consides me a threat and knew that if anyone in this game would argue with him for 2000 posts, that it would be me. So by engaging me, he has successfully made everyone not want to listen to me, as that's the easiest way to make town Iso ineffective.
Megiddo, I believe Infinis's last completed town game was Chosen Mafia.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
It's hard to read them without knowing the full game, but they're quirky and like Kpaca in response to that last post, they make you ask, "Are we in the same game right now?"
Seppel, I'm not sure that thinking about the game outside of the game is indicative of anything but free time. See, my theory was that Gricky consides me a threat and knew that if anyone in this game would argue with him for 2000 posts, that it would be me. So by engaging me, he has successfully made everyone not want to listen to me, as that's the easiest way to make town Iso ineffective.
I really think if Gricky is mafia, he would do something like that to make himself look good, not to make you look bad. It happened early enough that a goal of smearing you like that just feels way too risky.
The dangerous thing about that assumption is that it does not take into account the fact that people would just rather handwave the fact that he pushed a townie into the ground because it was 'Iso being Iso and Iso is always scummy', thus absolving him of all responsibility for his actions and because of the length of the exchange no one wants to review it to see how scumtastic he is. Plus people like Arcadic and Cyouni that don't want to read my posts simply for the sheer volume of them are appreciative of the person who gets me lynched's actions and don't bother reading into the motives for what the person who got me lynched did.
Yes, I sincerely believe that everyone who does not like the way I play or pushes against me is out to get me to some degree in Mafia.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
You seem to have a very skewed reality of what's going on in the game. I, and probably a lot of other people, don't see how Gricky has "pushed you into the ground."
You were just talking a bunch at each other about small things that weren't very telling of alignment.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
You seem to have a very skewed reality of what's going on in the game. I, and probably a lot of other people, don't see how Gricky has "pushed you into the ground."
You were just talking a bunch at each other about small things that weren't very telling of alignment.
- Has AsianI firmly in his 'town pile', but apparently doesn't believe him with his 'daykill' of Void - even going so far as to vote him for possibly gambiting as SK (#1610). (Unvotes post later claiming it was just a 'postulation' - but is still very certain that AI is the SK)
Though if we weren't down so many townies, I would seriously consider a policy lynch on Iso because of the stranglehold he has on the thread and the conversation (or lack thereof).
In the end, I would much rather lynch Prophylaxis or Infinis toDay than Iso.
Why is lynching a lurker more important than lynching someone who uses misdirection at every chance he gets?
I feel like Gricky lopping himself in with the other information roles is a hasty yet subtle attempt to appear like a town information role. He jumped on that a little eagerly. Is anyone else seeing what I'm seeing?
Obviously traditional roles here aren't what you would expect their alignment to be. Look at DRey's flip. In a more standard setup where the game isn't crammed with information roles, no, I wouldn't expect Gricky's role to make him scum, no. In this setup, however, where information is clearly key, yes.
How does drey's flip tell you the town is crammed with information roles and that information is key? Why are you dismissing every claimed information role as town when it is more than likely 1 information role is scum?
(hint : because Iso's scum) Day 1 you CC'd Drey because of a similarity in your roles, yet today every information role that has claimed is town, except gricky because your SOOOO positive that he's scum. That's a tell that you know more about this setup than you should, and that you know that the claims are coming from townies.
A rolecop ability is far more useful ON SCUM as well.
Iso has still failed to respond to my case today about why he is scum and instead has just OMGUS'd and deflected it away. Now he's calling every information role that has claimed or been claimed to exist town for no reason.
The game actions that you attempted to perform do not comply with my perceived notion of best practices to execute within this game of forum-based mafia
Effective Immediately, Dork Knight is replacing Arnnaria. He has my gratitude for being brave enough to jump into a game that has a reasonable chance of eclipsing Inheritance Mafia's post count record.
Also, a vote count since it's been too long since I've done one.
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Hello and holy crap. I'll start reading asap. Please give me some time to catch up before anyone gets lynched, but by all means, keep the discussion going.
Hello and holy crap. I'll start reading asap. Please give me some time to catch up before anyone gets lynched, but by all means, keep the discussion going.
Quick question: Do you have any mafia experience?
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I'm currently in a phase where I'm not sure on any of my reads. But during my reread, I really became convinced Infinis is scum. Wheat_Grinder is scummy as well, for his gambit and hardly any scumhunting. Infinis however, has been active lurking, hasn't been doing any scumhunting at all, and is consistently inconsistent. Here's a case I was already in the process of making:
In my reread, I noticed Infinis is mostly barning other players instead of scumhunting. Guardman's case made him vote Megiddo (#605), tordeck's postcount meta case on Iso made him vote Iso (#657), and barns Seppel's case on Void that later made him vote Void (#1280). Note also that he now and then tends to vote/unvote/vote someone else in the space of two or three posts - shows he's mainly going with the flow of the game.
So I can't agree with cases? Did I agree with all the cases presented so far?
Generally speaking, Infinis is very passive - clear scum tell. He mostly votes based on wherever the game is going, relies on others to make cases, seldomly asks good questions, and sits continually on the fence.
Fence sitting and going with the flow is two different things. As to relying on others for cases.
I have a case on Seppel/AI situation. And my usual wagon analysis case was submarined by Audioin.
Also, Infinis makes assumptions that show he hasn't got a town mindset, and is inconsistent.
- In post 19 he auto-assumes AsianI is town. He later admits he didn't think of the possibility that AsianI could be neutral with Seppel, but what's most important in this is that he auto-assumed Seppel was speaking the truth, and also never thinks AsianI (or Seppel) could be mafia. (Note: If Infinis is scum, Seppel is then truthful about his role, and AsianI is town.)
- In post 385, he says he's trying to figure out if Seppel and kpaca are mirrored. However, instead of looking at Seppel as pro- or anti-town, he says Seppel is 'anti-scum'. This is a very important distinction, as it shows his mindset as scum. Pro-town neutral =/= anti-scum neutral. You're only interested in whether a neutral is pro- or anti-scum if you need to decide whether someone is a danger to the scum. If you're town, you're interested to see if he's pro-town or anti-town, not anti-scum.
Terminology, how else was I supposed to split them? Town sided vs Scum sided? And based on what Seppel has said, why would anyone vig, sk, or scum, use a kill on him or AI? AI/Seppel analysis tomorrow.
- Prefers to keep Void alive, but votes him anyway. Says Void is townie, later votes him in the same post (#1280). This was the most obvious fencesitting of Infinis, on the one hand wanting to go with the flow of the game, on the other hand keeping the door open for claiming he thought Void was town.
Void played scumily and acted scumily. His role was great late game on a townie and seemed pointless on scum.
- Has AsianI firmly in his 'town pile', but apparently doesn't believe him with his 'daykill' of Void - even going so far as to vote him for possibly gambiting as SK (#1610). (Unvotes post later claiming it was just a 'postulation' - but is still very certain that AI is the SK)
Bluffing the DK as the SK is a good play. I have more on the AI/Seppel issue in my next post.
I'm amused that [Shalako], of all people, are talking about terrible reasoning. "Hey, PF's RVS daykill must be serious, therefore I should shoot him to prove that I have a daykill!"
How does drey's flip tell you the town is crammed with information roles and that information is key? Why are you dismissing every claimed information role as town when it is more than likely 1 information role is scum?
Because I have town reads on everyone who's claimed an information role, except for Gricky.
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(hint : because Iso's scum) Day 1 you CC'd Drey because of a similarity in your roles, yet today every information role that has claimed is town, except gricky because your SOOOO positive that he's scum. That's a tell that you know more about this setup than you should, and that you know that the claims are coming from townies.
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Iso has still failed to respond to my case today about why he is scum and instead has just OMGUS'd and deflected it away. Now he's calling every information role that has claimed or been claimed to exist town for no reason.
If you were actually reading my posts, you would note that I did, in fact, ask you to point out what I didn't respond to. You complain about my postcount yet your failure to address my request in my last post is only causing me to post more. So again, do something useful by directing me to what you feel I have not sufficiently responded to or stop wasting my time and everyone else's and clogging up this thread further with bull****. Thanks.
Infinis, what do you mean by he "submarined" your case?
Compiling vote data for wagon analysis now. Will return with that in a bit.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
@whoever asked me why I thought Iso was scum, Cyouni maybe?: His CC of DRey doesn't add up and he's had some contradictions. I wrote up a small case on him.
Also I'm down for an Infinis lynch, but I'd rather lynch Iso.
Won't have wagon analysis up tonight. Something came up. I'll try to finish it up tomorrow after I clean my room/do laundry/clean out my car/celebrate my friend's birthday.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I'm amused that [Shalako], of all people, are talking about terrible reasoning. "Hey, PF's RVS daykill must be serious, therefore I should shoot him to prove that I have a daykill!"
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Because I have town reads on everyone who's claimed an information role, except for Gricky.
I fail to see how you can call my role an information role when I learn absolutely nothing about my target. I wasn't even sure that the cop was actually the cop until Ganderin Dan posted his knowledge. It's not an information role, its a communication role. There is a difference.
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2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
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2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
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If you want to do a 180 and go with infinis over iso and Proph I'll join you.
Was going to take the time and reread him over the night and look over the interactions going on at the time. To me infinis is not in this game, why?
They hate us cause they ain't us.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Actually I can confirm that Iso does this as town or scum. It doesn't make him any less scum here, but that particular issue is null.
It will be ready soon.
I think Tordeck should take another look at this post, in which I did a full examination of all of Iso's games to see if his postcount meta was viable.
If you don't want to reread, the result was that his scum and town post count habits are nearly indistinguishable. In terms of percentage of posts in the thread, they differ by less than 1 percentage point (20.28% for town, 19.5% for scum*). Given the sample size there's no way to say those are different.
*This excluded his game as cult leader and obviously did not include Ozone.
At the time, Iso's stats this game looked like this:
Magical Girl (as of that post)
870 posts
Iso: 49 posts, 8th place; 5% of total posts
Right now, though:
Magical Girl (as of this post)
2024 posts
Iso: 192 posts, 1st place; 9.5% of total posts
Iso was at the time of the original post abnormally low. Given that there isn't a difference between his town and scum post counts, I said at the time that this could not be valid.
Now, he's just a little lower than his lowest games, but if he keeps his current rate up I think he will fall around where he normally does.
Again, I think this post count meta was not ever and is not now valid, and I'm not sure why it's being brought up again.
Speaking just to tordeck's points, I can't really refute the rest. However, I'm personally not willing to rally behind the CC. We have a mass of info roles, yes, and those that are saying it's unlikely that they are all town have a point. That said, I'm loathe to modgame even a basic, so I'm not interested in doing so here. As for self-meta, is that actually a scummy defense? I would guess that it strikes as being self-aware, which I have heard is a scummy thing to be. Is that correct? And I obviously can't refute gut.
IMO, that "you're only shafting yourselves" comment was worse than just about all of the rest of that. But even so, I'm not convinced that he's scum.
Looking forward to it
Iso: regardles of alignmen, please let the meta/postcount nonsense go. Give the thread back. That goes for everyone, it's just taking up time and space.
Anyone who thinks AI could still be scum is incorrect.
Tordeck, it'd be false to say that I didn't claim my information to not try and get Iso lynched. The whole point was to cast doubt on the likelyhood that Iso's role is town.
I dont need percentages to see a pattern. One that fit enough to allow me to get a reaction from Iso. Of which he only confirmed his scumness. Though it is always nice when a buddy throws himself out there to try and protect his team. Strange you would be so willing after the bussing on Day 1 but probably all part of the gambit.
Timing and manner differentiates yours from his. His was an opportunistic attempt to solidify a mislynch. Yours, at least to me, doesnt seem that way.
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scum team right there, if there is a 5th I am not sure of who it is yet. I would say they were hiding in the lurkers but Proph is already covering that spot pretty hard.
Speaking of lurkers, Hey all you down there below the Modline care to actually play a bit or are you just gunna sit on your thumbs and let the rest of us do all the hard work?
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Just felt it necessary to remind everyone that Tordeck has no real reason to be on my wagon.
And all you've done is state some vague reason for this. As has been evident, DRey's lynch was going to happen, with or without my vote.
Of all of the votes on me that I can remember, yours and Arcadic's are the worst.
I mean, at least Gricky is PRETENDING to have a reason to want me lynched.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Why is Tordeck not on that list? Everything you've stated is from yesterday, yet you apparently don't think he's scum - he's neither on your list nor your P.S.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
None of these snippets from your last post show that you think of him as town - actually, all of them would be the opposite.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Don't WTB what you are trying to sell. It's not helping that you have to talk yourself into a situation where the behavior you notice in-thread can be reconciled with your preconceived notions regarding who the scum are.
How do you feel about Infinis?
I do hope you realize that you are using ad hom as a crutch here. But for the sake of transparency (and to give you something productive to do), I want you to analyze the progression of your wagon and indicate who you think is town or scum based on what you observe. (You can feel free to be brief re: Gricky because you just rehashed your case against him.)
tordeck is obvtown, just not helpful ATM. D_V is more or less in the same boat, though I have a weaker read on him.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Given that I think 3 of those 4 are likely town, I suggest you get a re-read in.
/confirm
So Proph's read hasn't arrived yet, and Infinis is still posting well below what makes sense for Infinis. And he's also making non-townInfinis posts. They don't have his standard "what the hell is he talking about?" theories.
So if the Proph wagon won't get steam, the Infinis one should.
Unvote, vote Infinis.
Megiddo, I believe Infinis's last completed town game was Chosen Mafia.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I'll try and read that over, tomorrow.
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/misc.php?do=whoposted&t=356511
Here are a few posts that just scream, "That's my Infinis."
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?p=7836660#post7836660
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?p=7589383#post7589383
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?p=7581958#post7581958
It's hard to read them without knowing the full game, but they're quirky and like Kpaca in response to that last post, they make you ask, "Are we in the same game right now?"
I really think if Gricky is mafia, he would do something like that to make himself look good, not to make you look bad. It happened early enough that a goal of smearing you like that just feels way too risky.
Yes, I sincerely believe that everyone who does not like the way I play or pushes against me is out to get me to some degree in Mafia.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
You were just talking a bunch at each other about small things that weren't very telling of alignment.
It doesn't concern you that Gricky's case on me consisted of nothing but lies, misrepresentations, false meta, and fabrications?
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
100% this.
YES THANK YOU
Unvote
Vote Infinis
Why is lynching a lurker more important than lynching someone who uses misdirection at every chance he gets?
Nice mudslinging that was already corrected.
I'd think that ROLECOP would only be and information role if he's scum.
How does drey's flip tell you the town is crammed with information roles and that information is key? Why are you dismissing every claimed information role as town when it is more than likely 1 information role is scum?
(hint : because Iso's scum) Day 1 you CC'd Drey because of a similarity in your roles, yet today every information role that has claimed is town, except gricky because your SOOOO positive that he's scum. That's a tell that you know more about this setup than you should, and that you know that the claims are coming from townies.
But your willing to push a modgaming stance on gricky if it suits your purpose, ie : a lynch on gricky.
A rolecop ability is far more useful ON SCUM as well.
Iso has still failed to respond to my case today about why he is scum and instead has just OMGUS'd and deflected it away. Now he's calling every information role that has claimed or been claimed to exist town for no reason.
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I'll remember that.
The game actions that you attempted to perform do not comply with my perceived notion of best practices to execute within this game of forum-based mafia
/barn all of Arc's last post.
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Also, a vote count since it's been too long since I've done one.
Iso (7) - Archmage_Eternal, Guardman, ganderin_dan, Arcadic, Tordeck, Infinis, GrickyTimmick
Megiddo (4) - Prophylaxis, Iso, Wheat_Grinder, Audinho
Infinis (3) - Seppel, Wessel, AsianInvasion
Prophylaxis (1) - Meggido
With 18 Alive, it's still 10 to lynch
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Hello and holy crap. I'll start reading asap. Please give me some time to catch up before anyone gets lynched, but by all means, keep the discussion going.
Quick question: Do you have any mafia experience?
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So I can't agree with cases? Did I agree with all the cases presented so far?
Fence sitting and going with the flow is two different things. As to relying on others for cases.
I have a case on Seppel/AI situation. And my usual wagon analysis case was submarined by Audioin.
Terminology, how else was I supposed to split them? Town sided vs Scum sided? And based on what Seppel has said, why would anyone vig, sk, or scum, use a kill on him or AI? AI/Seppel analysis tomorrow.
Faking a PR, not gambiting.
See above.
I dislike the players, not reflective of alignment.
Void played scumily and acted scumily. His role was great late game on a townie and seemed pointless on scum.
Bluffing the DK as the SK is a good play. I have more on the AI/Seppel issue in my next post.
How is saying my gut reaction on Meg is scum and then calling him most likely scum two days later, a different thing?
12-11? I'm losing track
Because I have town reads on everyone who's claimed an information role, except for Gricky.
If you were actually reading my posts, you would note that I did, in fact, ask you to point out what I didn't respond to. You complain about my postcount yet your failure to address my request in my last post is only causing me to post more. So again, do something useful by directing me to what you feel I have not sufficiently responded to or stop wasting my time and everyone else's and clogging up this thread further with bull****. Thanks.
Infinis, what do you mean by he "submarined" your case?
Compiling vote data for wagon analysis now. Will return with that in a bit.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Also I'm down for an Infinis lynch, but I'd rather lynch Iso.
In the meanwhile, where is prophylaxis? He hasn't done anything in over 24 hours, in which he said he had a pbpa and a response to the case.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Infinis: What did you mean I "submarined" you on the votecount thingy? (which no-one but DRey actually cared about, might I add).
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You did it, when I normally do.
And no one pays attention to my case, when I do it either.
12-11? I'm losing track
I swear I've heard "I'm down for an X lynch, but I'd rather lynch Y" a ton this game.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
It's rare that a townie rereads in the first place.
The false meta is a lie, fabrication, and misrepresentation. Is there anything else to the case that doesn't originate with the "false meta" argument?
I fail to see how you can call my role an information role when I learn absolutely nothing about my target. I wasn't even sure that the cop was actually the cop until Ganderin Dan posted his knowledge. It's not an information role, its a communication role. There is a difference.
Seppel, none of the other reasons are related to the false meta. That is its own separate reason. Did you read the case on Gricky in context?
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player