2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Not "can" in the literal sense. But you aren't, leading me to believe you think someone in the thread can do something to make you miss your supposed PR.
What makes you think that?
I have trouble seeing how anyone can cause you to not say "Oh, hi __" at the beginning of your posts. And similarly I have trouble seeing what good knowing you have strikes will do scum who know it.
What makes you think of the strike system for missed PR posts?
2) I'm saying I think it more likely that scum would react like you did as opposed to town. But now you have given me a straight answer, and at the moment I see no reason for you to fake THAT PR.
You were already speculating on it, to an extent, by even spending time trying to fish for information on it.
Why would you back off now? Yeah, I gave you a straight answer...AFTER YOU PUSHED FOR IT. That doesn't set off any alarms to you?
Hahaha, you know what I think happened? You tried to fish, for whatever reason. When I refused to comply, you decided to jump on it as a reason to suspect me. Now that I've pointed out how, even if I never had given you the straight answer, it's a completely irrelevant stance anyway, you're backing down with your tail between your legs, hoping I won't call you on it.
Was reffering to how it doesn't prevent content or cause you to actively lurk.
I'm not backing off. If you continued to do what you were doing, I was going to vote you. But then you gave me the answer I was hoping for. Now I only GMEOY.
Not even close. I pressed because I wanted something from you. You gave it.
I'm still not entirely convinced you actually HAVE this PR.
So are you not convinced she has the PR or do you see no reason for her to fake the PR?
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
WHEN SHALAKO THINKS THAT MANDERS IS OVERREACTING TO SOMETHING THT MEANS SHE IS BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER.
SHALAKO IS GOING TO RELY ON SOMEONE ELSE TO TELL HIM IF MANDERS IS TOWN OR NOT.
Either you're learning or your scum. I can't wait to find out which.
Oh.
I assumed that you had tracked him down somehow.
Nah, only Globals and above can see invisible people.
Why don't you check the last time she Faked a PR and was Mafia?
Why don't you check if she Rode that Muteness to endgame because When She Invents PRs She Sticks to them.
How'd you know about that? Did you read that game? You weren't in it, were you?
Incidentally, that was the first and only time I've faked a PR. I got lynched for it. It'll never happen again.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I find Manders' overreaction to be consistent with my understanding of how she plays in general. Hearing that she did something similar in Doha makes me even more reluctant to consider it important.
For some reason I thought KJ had voted Manders at some point and then unvoted. That he never voted makes #94 feel a little forced - it feels like he is dealing in unjustifiably small increments of suspicion (IGMEOY vs. considering a vote). On a similar note, in #75 seems to be saying that scum would have knowledge of the minutiae of Manders' PR. KJ: why do you think that?
Damn it Tim. Making me Google words in your quotes. Expanding my vocabulary and ****. -_- lol
As to your question, I don't see where you came to that conclusion.
I don't think I actually said that.
Problem is, your way about it has a tendency to just feed him an answer. My way makes it so he actually has to show some thoughts rather than just pick yes/no.
Your way is better, to be sure. I'll just let you do this, as my way is mostly failing. I did get SOME answers out of him though.
I realized something between the time I posted that and now. I realized I should ask you what you define as an "attack". If our defns are different, then there ya go. If not, then we have a problem.
Vote Kill-Joy
I never said anything about Iso being Scummy for faking a PR.
When you were talking about Manders, and her PR, you gave a positive connotation to it.
When you talked about Iso's, you said "He's obviously faking" which draws a negative connotation.
The whole reason I started this thing is because when she started posting, my gut instinct was "She seems to be half-assing this whole PR thing. Maybe she's faking" She seemed to think no one was onto her, so, I thought the best way to catch her in a lie was to throw some aggressive questions at her to see if she messes up.
In the end she gave me an answer led me to believe that she either
A) Had fleshed out her fake PR to an extent that further questioning will be useless
B) Was telling the truth about her PR.
I'm leaning more towards A.
What makes you think that?
She claimed a PR that revolved around her general mannerisms. I don't see why she couldn't post something like "Hey, the reason I'm posing like this is because I have a PR that tells me to be super nice." after I started questioning her. In fact, the fact that she stalled long enough to properly flesh out her lie made me more suspicious.
What makes you think of the strike system for missed PR posts?
Just end all your sentences with "you know?" and "you ho".
So, someone gave me a posting restriction, you ho. All of my posts have to rhyme, you know?. I get 3 strikes a day you mod ho, after which I lose my vote for the day, you know?
Example:
Pretty sure I'll just end up not having a vote today you know, because I despise posting restrictions you ho and don't think that they have any place in the game of mafia you know?
It seems likely that the person that did this to me, you ho, is one of the people that has posted in the thread already you know? Though I suppose it's possible that someone just snuck in you know, submitted an action against me, and didn't actually post to the thread you ho.(this doesn't seem likely to me you know, but it is at least possible you ho).
Anyway. Obviously this post was Strike 1 you know. Either I'll be voteless today you ho, or, I'll post almost none you know. What an exciting choice for me, you ho.
Cyan the rapper strikes back.
Why do you need to know?
Because I think she's lying and I had a limited time to attempt to get info out of her.
So are you not convinced she has the PR or do you see no reason for her to fake the PR?
Both. That specific PR has none of the qualities of one that anyone would fake. It doesn't make her hard to understand or allow her to actively lurk.
Even so, I think shes hiding behind it. I feel like I caught her in a lie, and I felt the need to pursue it.
Don't worry, Manders is town.
That's entirely possible. For now, I'm satisfied with her answers.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Frankly, I think Iso is faking his PR. I feel confident that EP will have learned from the last family game that restrictions that stop people actually communicating suck incredible balls. It's also too much of a coincidence that Iso apparently was given the most famous PR on the site.
Iso, if you are faking, I suggest you stop immediately, because otherwise we will have to vig you. I promise not to vote you if you come clean.
Hahaha, I don't know if this pertains to this situation or not, and I'm not going to risk it.
You know that talking about your posting restriction bears zero relation to the structure of your role PM, and you also know that you can easily check with the mod precisely what you can and cannot say. Yet instead, you point blank refuse to ever discuss it based on flawed logic. Why?
I'm still on the fence about Manders. I read her initial reaction as nervousness, until I realised that all her "laughter" was coming from a PR and not pants-wetting terror. The calls for votecounts look bad, but - as other have noted - it's not really out of Manders' standard play.
The whole reason I started this thing is because when she started posting, my gut instinct was "She seems to be half-assing this whole PR thing. Maybe she's faking" She seemed to think no one was onto her, so, I thought the best way to catch her in a lie was to throw some aggressive questions at her to see if she messes up.
In the end she gave me an answer led me to believe that she either
A) Had fleshed out her fake PR to an extent that further questioning will be useless
B) Was telling the truth about her PR.
I'm leaning more towards A.
I'd like to hear more about this "seems to be half-assing this whole PR thing." Perhaps you could quote some examples of me "half-assing" it?
She claimed a PR that revolved around her general mannerisms. I don't see why she couldn't post something like "Hey, the reason I'm posing like this is because I have a PR that tells me to be super nice." after I started questioning her. In fact, the fact that she stalled long enough to properly flesh out her lie made me more suspicious.
Hahaha, I was told exactly what to say. Hence, no variations.
Both. That specific PR has none of the qualities of one that anyone would fake. It doesn't make her hard to understand or allow her to actively lurk.
Even so, I think shes hiding behind it. I feel like I caught her in a lie, and I felt the need to pursue it.
How, exactly, am I hiding behind it?
Last I checked, I was, by far, the most vocal person here.
Frankly, I think Iso is faking his PR. I feel confident that EP will have learned from the last family game that restrictions that stop people actually communicating suck incredible balls. It's also too much of a coincidence that Iso apparently was given the most famous PR on the site.
Iso, if you are faking, I suggest you stop immediately, because otherwise we will have to vig you. I promise not to vote you if you come clean.
Agreed. If you are faking, Batman, and you don't stop, I'm going to be furious when the game is over.
Nope
Hahaha
You know that talking about your posting restriction bears zero relation to the structure of your role PM, and you also know that you can easily check with the mod precisely what you can and cannot say. Yet instead, you point blank refuse to ever discuss it based on flawed logic. Why?
1) No, I don't know that.
2) I've already said I will divulge this information at a future point in time. I will not do so now, no, so get over that.
I'm still on the fence about Manders. I read her initial reaction as nervousness, until I realised that all her "laughter" was coming from a PR and not pants-wetting terror. The calls for votecounts look bad, but - as other have noted - it's not really out of Manders' standard play.
Hahahaha, have you ever seen me be in a "pants-wetting terror" type situation? I highly doubt it.
Second question's a little trickier. Hmm.
Iso, can you quote parts of posts from earlier on (i.e. when you were still voting Manders) that you think are indicative of town Manders?
I'm not sure whether this is part of a recent spate of for some amazingly stupid reason taking something on the first page seriously with no good reason, or whether you're just paranoid.
And overly paranoid Manders is bad if my memory serves.
Where does that memory come from?
I wanted to watch him squirm for a little more
I didn't, and if it is legit, I'm incredibly saddened that he got it.
Has this honestly ever happened?
Yup, in Kaiser's Mafia.
Well, no, but the fact that I would have been the lynch and not you would mean that you wouldn't have been lynched today.
No you wouldn't have. Ced didn't "hammer" you.
If it's concerning Manders, I'd agree. Someone like you or Iso, I'm not so sure.
Why?
And I've just received a PM from EP. I'll let you guys know what I can once I clear it with him.
Here's what I got (paraphrased and cleared with EP):
I've been advised that I have an unrevealed to me amount of chances to screw up before I get penalized. I've no clue how close I am to that amount.
I have a question for everyone, as most of you have read and been in more games than me.
Has any PR on this site ever worked like this? Both the "You can screw up a number of times that I won't tell you." part and the "You don't know what your penalty is." part.
Also, I would like you to detail exactly what your PR is. Do you need to just say Oh, hi <Player X>!! ?
I have a question for everyone, as most of you have read and been in more games than me.
Has any PR on this site ever worked like this? Both the "You can screw up a number of times that I won't tell you." part and the "You don't know what your penalty is." part.
Also, I would like you to detail exactly what your PR is. Do you need to just say Oh, hi <Player X>!! ?
Hahaha, no. That's not the only thing I have to say in each post. And the exclamation points aren't manderstory, but they fit!!
I've never seen one that works like this i.e. the repercussions, hahaha.
Now, a question for you. Why are you focusing only on my PR?
Either you're learning or your scum. I can't wait to find out which.
I've learned that once you try something three times and it blows up horribly in your face to stop doing it.(Or I'm scum. Also wtf I've never been scum with you. D: )
Nah, only Globals and above can see invisible people.
I was thinking that you counted the amount of people invisible and viewing the thread then subtracted the players who were invisible and posted and used that to find out who was lurking.(what I do.)
How'd you know about that? Did you read that game?
I read it or Heard about it somehow.
I remember you faking a PR after you got a Legit M.M.M Pr.
You weren't in it, were you?
No!
Incidentally, that was the first and only time I've faked a PR. I got lynched for it. It'll never happen again.
Well I missremembered it but there you go.
After being lynched for faking a PR it's likely if Manders is going to fake a PR she would do it correctly.
I realized something between the time I posted that and now. I realized I should ask you what you define as an "attack". If our defns are different, then there ya go. If not, then we have a problem.
"So far, you're doing nothing to help yourself in my eyes."
You implied that Manders doesn't know %100 of the PR that she invented.
Then you attacked her.
When you were talking about Manders, and her PR, you gave a positive connotation to it.
When you talked about Iso's, you said "He's obviously faking" which draws a negative connotation.
I did no such thing.
Show me my posts with Positive and Negative Connotations please.
A) Had fleshed out her fake PR to an extent that further questioning will be useless
B) Was telling the truth about her PR.
I'm leaning more towards A.
So let's say that Manders is faking a PR.
So what?
It's not one that let's her get away with B.S. like Iso's.
She claimed a PR that revolved around her general mannerisms. I don't see why she couldn't post something like "Hey, the reason I'm posing like this is because I have a PR that tells me to be super nice." after I started questioning her. In fact, the fact that she stalled long enough to properly flesh out her lie made me more suspicious.
Frankly, I think Iso is faking his PR. I feel confident that EP will have learned from the last family game that restrictions that stop people actually communicating suck incredible balls. It's also too much of a coincidence that Iso apparently was given the most famous PR on the site.
^
Iso, if you are faking, I suggest you stop immediately, because otherwise we will have to vig you. I promise not to vote you if you come clean.
What?
Why would "We" have to vig Iso?
I'm still on the fence about Manders. I read her initial reaction as nervousness, until I realised that all her "laughter" was coming from a PR and not pants-wetting terror. The calls for votecounts look bad, but - as other have noted - it's not really out of Manders' standard play.
Unvote
And when was the last time you saw Manders suffer from Pants-wetting terror?
Here's what I got (paraphrased and cleared with EP):
I've been advised that I have an unrevealed to me amount of chances to screw up before I get penalized. I've no clue how close I am to that amount.
{Hahahaha}
I have a question for everyone, as most of you have read and been in more games than me.
Has any PR on this site ever worked like this? Both the "You can screw up a number of times that I won't tell you." part and the "You don't know what your penalty is." part.
Also, I would like you to detail exactly what your PR is. Do you need to just say Oh, hi <Player X>!! ?
Hahaha, no. That's not the only thing I have to say in each post. And the exclamation points aren't manderstory, but they fit!!
I've never seen one that works like this i.e. the repercussions, hahaha.
Now, a question for you. Why are you focusing only on my PR?
Because I don't have a lot of time atm, and this is something I wanted clarified so I could think about whether I believed your PR while I work.
@Ced Because I don't believe that she actually has this PR. I was looking for some direction either way, and I haven't seen any other ones like it. Although, I'm not sure what that means for your alignment.
@Manders One more question about your PR. The reason I was initially so confused by it is that in your first post you used the mod. If you said it was just players, that was something I was trying to catch you in. However, everything since has been consistent, so I guess I will just believe you for now.
I am aware there are other things going on, I will get to them when I can.
Has any PR on this site ever worked like this? Both the "You can screw up a number of times that I won't tell you." part and the "You don't know what your penalty is." part.
I don't even know how to respond to this thread anymore.
@Manders: So you do have a restriction? Fine.
@Anyone: Since there is apparently no penalty for revealing you have a restriction, would anyone like to confirm they have a restriction. They don't have to say what, but I am curious.
That shouldn't surprise me. In a game like this at least.
:rofl::rofl::rofl:
Poor guy, he cannot speak
In a game of mafia that does make you weak
Vote Iso.
Let the suffering end now
From silence to death, it is just one step below.
Something I don't get
Is all the Manders hate
She sure reacted excessively
And she sure talks strangely
But all of this is just a null tell
These bad arguments comes from hell
Quote from Zionite »
It's not the PR. It's how you're acting. You're making the argument that no one in this game can claim anything without breaking the rules, which is false. I have a problem with this logic propagating.
Claiming the flavour is indeed not the same
As discussing the structure of the PMs of the game.
But seriously, like Phil Collins would speak
The limit between both can be easy to break
A slippery claim will make the mod angry
The risk to be modkilled isn't big but does be
She finally managed to clear things up with EP
And found out a statement that was unrisky
I much prefer "wait and see"
Instead of assuming she'd lie that early...
Quote from Shalako »
Manders is Town.
This certain piece of info
Is clearly not yours to know
Any form of absolute certainty
Can be considered as scummy
@Manders One more question about your PR. The reason I was initially so confused by it is that in your first post you used the mod. If you said it was just players, that was something I was trying to catch you in. However, everything since has been consistent, so I guess I will just believe you for now.
I am aware there are other things going on, I will get to them when I can.
Screw it with the PRs, it's not the important thing!
I'd really prefer if you were scumhunting
/////////////////////////
Also, I'm not happy about the fastness
That screwed away the R.V.S
I hoped I could write some poem
Robert Frost would be envious of them
@Anyone: Since there is apparently no penalty for revealing you have a restriction, would anyone like to confirm they have a restriction. They don't have to say what, but I am curious.
Poor guy, he cannot speak
In a game of mafia that does make you weak
Vote Iso.
Let the suffering end now
From silence to death, it is just one step below.
Something I don't get
Is all the Manders hate
She sure reacted excessively
And she sure talks strangely
But all of this is just a null tell
These bad arguments comes from hellClaiming the flavour is indeed not the same
As discussing the structure of the PMs of the game.
But seriously, like Phil Collins would speak
The limit between both can be easy to break
A slippery claim will make the mod angry
The risk to be modkilled isn't big but does be
She finally managed to clear things up with EP
And found out a statement that was unrisky
I much prefer "wait and see"
Instead of assuming she'd lie that early...
This certain piece of info
Is clearly not yours to know
Any form of absolute certainty
Can be considered as scummy
Screw it with the PRs, it's not the important thing!
I'd really prefer if you were scumhunting
/////////////////////////
Also, I'm not happy about the fastness
That screwed away the R.V.S
I hoped I could write some poem
Robert Frost would be envious of them
Unvote
Hahaha, awwww, why couldn't I have gotten this?
I'd have convinced EP to let me write in haikus instead of rhyming.
@Anyone: Since there is apparently no penalty for revealing you have a restriction, would anyone like to confirm they have a restriction. They don't have to say what, but I am curious.
Hi Manders! Playing with you is a pleasure
I wouldn't pass on it for sure
Quote from Ced »
As far as all the accusations go,
I'd rank this particular one low,
If one says "X is town"
Do they claim to know this now?
This looks a little like a mud throw
It wasn't even close to an accusation
I wanted to see what would be his reaction
As far as all the accusations go,
I'd rank this particular one low,
If one says "X is town"
Do they claim to know this now?
This looks a little like a mud throw
Damn it Tim. Making me Google words in your quotes. Expanding my vocabulary and ****. -_- lol
As to your question, I don't see where you came to that conclusion.
I don't think I actually said that.
What word did you need to look up?
In #75, you say "And similarly I have trouble seeing what good knowing you have strikes will do scum who know it." What do you mean here?
KJ sounds a little bit nervous - especially his response to Ced in #128 (the ":P" is a little telling). Not sure if that means anything, given that KJ is not very experienced while responding to the very experienced Ced. Still stuck out at me.
I'd like to hear more about the origin of Iso's supposed PR. Was the original PR the exact same? Was it also in this game (i.e. Family Mafia 1)?
I'd like to hear more about the origin of Iso's supposed PR. Was the original PR the exact same? Was it also in this game (i.e. Family Mafia 1)?
Mostly Mute Monk (the name of the PR he has) has been around for awhile. I don't know all the incarnations of the role, but it was in the first [The Family] Mafia. I had it.
The rules in that game were as such:
Can only post up to 3 words per post, including votes and unvotes. Player names count as one word regardless of the number of words in their name.
Can post unlimited smilies and punctuation.
Cannot alter quotes to say what you want to say.
As Iso's not included one word in any of his posts other than votes or unvotes, he's either faking it poorly, or EP made it different (and even more restrictive) than the previous incarnation.
After a skim through, it strikes me as odd that we are getting so hung up about PRs. If the first game is anything to go by, PRs are plentiful and outrageous.
I have a question for everyone, as most of you have read and been in more games than me.
Has any PR on this site ever worked like this? Both the "You can screw up a number of times that I won't tell you." part and the "You don't know what your penalty is." part.
Also, I would like you to detail exactly what your PR is. Do you need to just say Oh, hi <Player X>!! ?
This post of Anak's reeks of something. Fishing? Passively-aggressively accusing Manders of lying about her PR? Both? Yes
Naw dawgs, Iso "has" the famous "smilies only" PR from MTGS Redux Mafia, that Azrael faked completely and stole the game - it's no MMM. No words, only smilies, quotes and votes.
Here it is.
I asked if we could use the dictionary trick (obviously hoping that we couldn't so that you didn't have to contribute much to the scumhunting), and ZDS straight-up said no. E_P seems to have let us do the trick with Iso without any problems.
Of course, ZDS had a different approach to PRs in that game - warnings were in-thread, so PRs were "confirmed" (not that it meant much).
Hahaha, exactly. Which is why I don't understand why so many people are focusing on the PRs. Hell, even mine, they were all, like, "Oh, hey, that's bastardly that Manders said pre-game she'd hate that PR and now she has it. Oh, well."
What do you think of Flew?
Eh, really too early to tell, but I think you may be jumping for nothing much really. I'd like to see what Shalako has to say about him.
After a skim through, it strikes me as odd that we are getting so hung up about PRs. If the first game is anything to go by, PRs are plentiful and outrageous.
This post of Anak's reeks of something. Fishing? Passively-aggressively accusing Manders of lying about her PR? Both? Yes
Hahaha, not a trick question, love. I agree on Anak's post, which is why I questioned him right away.
Why are all you people focusing on the PRs so much?
Naw dawgs, Iso "has" the famous "smilies only" PR from MTGS Redux Mafia, that Azrael faked completely and stole the game - it's no MMM. No words, only smilies, quotes and votes.
QUICK KILL SOMEONE BASED ON HEARSAY!
DIE ISO DIE!
Fake edit: Disregard Ace. He slipped back into the Niv personality.
Naw dawgs, Iso "has" the famous "smilies only" PR from MTGS Redux Mafia, that Azrael faked completely and stole the game - it's no MMM. No words, only smilies, quotes and votes.
Hahaha, you know what? If that's the case, it's pretty improbable he's faking it. In all the time I've talked to him, he's never mentioned reading that game, so he wouldn't know about this PR before now.
So in order to make this more plain,
You say this is what went through your brain?:
Say "he's a bad faction"
to get a reaction
This is an explanation you claim?
If "no accusation" is your tale,
I don't think this hits head of the nail,
Words on page say to me
"considered as scummy"
I do believe the term is "you fail"
Vote Flew
If you didn't screw it right away
I wouldn't have sold it anyway
You should have let Shala answer
But you cared about things that aren't your matter
And yes, I did say "considered as scummy"
Because it leads to more talk when you act strongly
Even if without any certainty
Attacking a player can help you foresee
His intentions, alignment, role and such
Lesson 1 of Mafia, thank you very much.
Waah, knew I'd seen it before.
In that game, as I recall, there was a system set up with smilies equating to letters, so that, if Az really really really wanted to say something, he could and then it could be translated.
Ooh, yeah, loran did something similar for Silent Prophet in Amnesia Mafia. Just a sec...
Why are all you people focusing on the PRs so much?
The voice of wisdow has spoken
Is the talk about PRs completely scum-driven?
Come on people there's more to discuss
You should make valid points if you want to bus.
I'm going to sleep now, but please understand
The jetlag will make me miss from ten to thousand
I'll be back tommorrow, for the worst and the best
I'm not like most of you far toward the west.
Attacking a player can help you foresee
His intentions, alignment, role and such
Oh, no, no, no Flew. I hate this. Very much so.
Seriously, this is my number one complaint about playing this game. Players who like to piss me off/push my buttons (usually done by stating suspicions on me for stupid ****) so that they can get a reaction out of me.
Frankly, I think Iso is faking his PR. I feel confident that EP will have learned from the last family game that restrictions that stop people actually communicating suck incredible balls. It's also too much of a coincidence that Iso apparently was given the most famous PR on the site.
Iso, if you are faking, I suggest you stop immediately, because otherwise we will have to vig you. I promise not to vote you if you come clean.
You were already speculating on it, to an extent, by even spending time trying to fish for information on it.
Why would you back off now? Yeah, I gave you a straight answer...AFTER YOU PUSHED FOR IT. That doesn't set off any alarms to you?
Hahaha, you know what I think happened? You tried to fish, for whatever reason. When I refused to comply, you decided to jump on it as a reason to suspect me. Now that I've pointed out how, even if I never had given you the straight answer, it's a completely irrelevant stance anyway, you're backing down with your tail between your legs, hoping I won't call you on it.
I'm squashing your hopes. Unvote, Vote: kill-joy
@ Zionite: Oh, no, that's not what I'm doing at all. I mean, I won't be claiming anything about my PR or my Win Condition when the time comes, but everything else is fair game.
@Anyone: Since there is apparently no penalty for revealing you have a restriction, would anyone like to confirm they have a restriction. They don't have to say what, but I am curious.
As far as all the accusations go,
I'd rank this particular one low,
If one says "X is town"
Do they claim to know this now?
This looks a little like a mud throw
Naw dawgs, Iso "has" the famous "smilies only" PR from MTGS Redux Mafia, that Azrael faked completely and stole the game - it's no MMM. No words, only smilies, quotes and votes.
Naw dawgs, Iso "has" the famous "smilies only" PR from MTGS Redux Mafia, that Azrael faked completely and stole the game - it's no MMM. No words, only smilies, quotes and votes.
a system set up with smilies equating to letters, so that, if Az really really really wanted to say something, he could and then it could be translated.
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Why are you asking this question?
RVS over. No more of these damned 5 smiley face posts. You want to play in this game, I only have three rules....
No Demons....
No Vampires....
No Werewolves....
@Manders: In your next post, do not post "oh hi there" unless there is a penalty for not doing it.
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Why do you need to know?
What makes you think that?
What makes you think of the strike system for missed PR posts?
Why do you need to know?
So are you not convinced she has the PR or do you see no reason for her to fake the PR?
Don't worry, Manders is town.
Manders is scum, wait, no, town. Town, definitely town.
Hey Manders, what did the fisherman say to the magician?
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Xander The Cold Monarch!!Either you're learning or your scum. I can't wait to find out which.
Nah, only Globals and above can see invisible people.
How'd you know about that? Did you read that game? You weren't in it, were you?
Incidentally, that was the first and only time I've faked a PR. I got lynched for it. It'll never happen again.
Honey, you didn't do what Ced asked you to.
Please do so.
Hahaha, thank you, Captain Obvious!
If you want to see more pressure on kill-joy, why aren't you voting for him?
Iso, why did you vote for me in the first place if those two things (Me being paranoid and me hiding something) are things Town Manders would do?
Sorry, love. Can't do it.
Hahahaha, I don't know what I did to deserve that joke, but it was great!!
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Ced asked you to quote the quotes that led you to unvoting me. I don't see how what you quoted shows this.
Can you do this, please?
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After rereading this thread, it seems both better and worse than the first Family game.
Only one thing is for certain though: I'm not a bloody insane dragon with an even crazier pr.
Although I did enjoy being crazy last time. Good times.
Damn it Tim. Making me Google words in your quotes. Expanding my vocabulary and ****. -_- lol
As to your question, I don't see where you came to that conclusion.
I don't think I actually said that.
Your way is better, to be sure. I'll just let you do this, as my way is mostly failing. I did get SOME answers out of him though.
Shal's posts make my head hurt...
I realized something between the time I posted that and now. I realized I should ask you what you define as an "attack". If our defns are different, then there ya go. If not, then we have a problem.
When you were talking about Manders, and her PR, you gave a positive connotation to it.
When you talked about Iso's, you said "He's obviously faking" which draws a negative connotation.
The whole reason I started this thing is because when she started posting, my gut instinct was "She seems to be half-assing this whole PR thing. Maybe she's faking" She seemed to think no one was onto her, so, I thought the best way to catch her in a lie was to throw some aggressive questions at her to see if she messes up.
In the end she gave me an answer led me to believe that she either
A) Had fleshed out her fake PR to an extent that further questioning will be useless
B) Was telling the truth about her PR.
I'm leaning more towards A.
She claimed a PR that revolved around her general mannerisms. I don't see why she couldn't post something like "Hey, the reason I'm posing like this is because I have a PR that tells me to be super nice." after I started questioning her. In fact, the fact that she stalled long enough to properly flesh out her lie made me more suspicious.
This.
Because I think she's lying and I had a limited time to attempt to get info out of her.
Both. That specific PR has none of the qualities of one that anyone would fake. It doesn't make her hard to understand or allow her to actively lurk.
Even so, I think shes hiding behind it. I feel like I caught her in a lie, and I felt the need to pursue it.
That's entirely possible. For now, I'm satisfied with her answers.
Iso, if you are faking, I suggest you stop immediately, because otherwise we will have to vig you. I promise not to vote you if you come clean.
Nope
You know that talking about your posting restriction bears zero relation to the structure of your role PM, and you also know that you can easily check with the mod precisely what you can and cannot say. Yet instead, you point blank refuse to ever discuss it based on flawed logic. Why?
I'm still on the fence about Manders. I read her initial reaction as nervousness, until I realised that all her "laughter" was coming from a PR and not pants-wetting terror. The calls for votecounts look bad, but - as other have noted - it's not really out of Manders' standard play.
Unvote
There's a first time for everything!
Except Ecophagy. He's cool.
Hahaha
I'm glad you're not crazy this time.
Now, do you intend to contribute to the game?
I'd like to hear more about this "seems to be half-assing this whole PR thing." Perhaps you could quote some examples of me "half-assing" it?
Hahaha, I was told exactly what to say. Hence, no variations.
How, exactly, am I hiding behind it?
Last I checked, I was, by far, the most vocal person here.
Agreed. If you are faking, Batman, and you don't stop, I'm going to be furious when the game is over.
Hahaha
1) No, I don't know that.
2) I've already said I will divulge this information at a future point in time. I will not do so now, no, so get over that.
Hahahaha, have you ever seen me be in a "pants-wetting terror" type situation? I highly doubt it.
Oh, hi Seppel!
Play the damn game.
Care to share with the rest of the class? Hahaha
How is that tricky?
What are you confused by?
Where does that memory come from?
I didn't, and if it is legit, I'm incredibly saddened that he got it.
Yup, in Kaiser's Mafia.
No you wouldn't have. Ced didn't "hammer" you.
Why?
And I've just received a PM from EP. I'll let you guys know what I can once I clear it with him.
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Here's what I got (paraphrased and cleared with EP):
I've been advised that I have an unrevealed to me amount of chances to screw up before I get penalized. I've no clue how close I am to that amount.
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Just like you were furious with Guardman for faking a PR.
I am.
hahaha
Hahaha, no, his was funny. But I wasn't playing in that game, so yeah, makes sense it wouldn't piss me off.
I'm sure, if Iso is faking, EP's laughing his ass off.
Hahaha, oh? Where's your content, then? Please, show me if I missed it.
Hahaha, why is that funny?
I've now screwed up 3 times.
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Hahahaha
Actually, I'd like you to explain the relevance of this statement. Like, now, please.
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I have a question for everyone, as most of you have read and been in more games than me.
Has any PR on this site ever worked like this? Both the "You can screw up a number of times that I won't tell you." part and the "You don't know what your penalty is." part.
Also, I would like you to detail exactly what your PR is. Do you need to just say Oh, hi <Player X>!! ?
Hahaha, no. That's not the only thing I have to say in each post. And the exclamation points aren't manderstory, but they fit!!
I've never seen one that works like this i.e. the repercussions, hahaha.
Now, a question for you. Why are you focusing only on my PR?
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I've learned that once you try something three times and it blows up horribly in your face to stop doing it.(Or I'm scum. Also wtf I've never been scum with you. D: )
I was thinking that you counted the amount of people invisible and viewing the thread then subtracted the players who were invisible and posted and used that to find out who was lurking.(what I do.)
I read it or Heard about it somehow.
I remember you faking a PR after you got a Legit M.M.M Pr.
No!
Well I missremembered it but there you go.
After being lynched for faking a PR it's likely if Manders is going to fake a PR she would do it correctly.
"So far, you're doing nothing to help yourself in my eyes."
You implied that Manders doesn't know %100 of the PR that she invented.
Then you attacked her.
I did no such thing.
Show me my posts with Positive and Negative Connotations please.
So let's say that Manders is faking a PR.
So what?
It's not one that let's her get away with B.S. like Iso's.
Common PR protocol.
^
What?
Why would "We" have to vig Iso?
And when was the last time you saw Manders suffer from Pants-wetting terror?
You.
You should check.
I've seen a RVS wagon hit L-2.
And how would we lynch you the same day that you quick hammered Manders?
I've only faked a PR once.
and I was town.
Not that I've seen.
Easier then Hunting Scum.
You voted Manders for What you said were Town Manders Tells.
You can Die in a Fire.
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Because I don't have a lot of time atm, and this is something I wanted clarified so I could think about whether I believed your PR while I work.
@Ced Because I don't believe that she actually has this PR. I was looking for some direction either way, and I haven't seen any other ones like it. Although, I'm not sure what that means for your alignment.
@Manders One more question about your PR. The reason I was initially so confused by it is that in your first post you used the mod. If you said it was just players, that was something I was trying to catch you in. However, everything since has been consistent, so I guess I will just believe you for now.
I am aware there are other things going on, I will get to them when I can.
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You didn't hammer Manders.
That was Ced.
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You know.
Besides those incontestably inconsistent Posts..
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Shoe on the other foot, etc.
This is my third post. It should be easy for you to find.
hahaha
hahaha
What other things are going on?
hahaha
Why do you say that?
Ok, allow me to rephrase then. What was your point in making that statement? What are you implying?
Hahaha, ok then! Let's see this content you've provided to us:
Your first post:
Oh, so you want to shoot all of us except Eco cause he's cool.
Why is he cool?
The infamous quote that I see no purpose in making. Oh, and you saying that you are providing content. Hahaha
You laughing at something that you've yet to explain. I've explained my laughter, at least.
Huh, and that's it, aside from the quote I'm already working on. Let's see the rest of it, maybe there's some content there?
More laughing and a lame question to Anak.
Oh, man, Seppel's really playing the game, y'all. Hahaha
Is sarcasm condescending?
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@Manders: So you do have a restriction? Fine.
@Anyone: Since there is apparently no penalty for revealing you have a restriction, would anyone like to confirm they have a restriction. They don't have to say what, but I am curious.
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In a game of mafia that does make you weak
Vote Iso.
Let the suffering end now
From silence to death, it is just one step below.
Something I don't get
Is all the Manders hate
She sure reacted excessively
And she sure talks strangely
But all of this is just a null tell
These bad arguments comes from hell Claiming the flavour is indeed not the same
As discussing the structure of the PMs of the game.
But seriously, like Phil Collins would speak
The limit between both can be easy to break
A slippery claim will make the mod angry
The risk to be modkilled isn't big but does be
She finally managed to clear things up with EP
And found out a statement that was unrisky
I much prefer "wait and see"
Instead of assuming she'd lie that early...
This certain piece of info
Is clearly not yours to know
Any form of absolute certainty
Can be considered as scummy
Screw it with the PRs, it's not the important thing!
I'd really prefer if you were scumhunting
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I do. Does this upset you?
Hahaha, what is the purpose behind this?
Hahaha, awwww, why couldn't I have gotten this?
I'd have convinced EP to let me write in haikus instead of rhyming.
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What do you think I'm implying?
The post just before that one of mine.
I would like to claim that I have a restriction.
You shouldn't have to ask that, I thought you were my friend
I wouldn't pass on it for sure
It wasn't even close to an accusation
I wanted to see what would be his reaction
[The Family] pressed the "lynch" button, thinking it was labeled "lunch" .
I asked you first, sweetheart.
What about it?
Hahaha, that's not fair, cause now I see you doing it IRL, and it makes me laugh.
I would like to call attention-whoring BS on this.
Hahahaha, I gotz nuttin but luv fer ya!
Awwww, I feel the love!!
Oh, and for anyone else who's been wondering, like I have, where Iso's been all day: there was a storm last night that knocked out his internet.
He should be on tonight.
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What word did you need to look up?
In #75, you say "And similarly I have trouble seeing what good knowing you have strikes will do scum who know it." What do you mean here?
KJ sounds a little bit nervous - especially his response to Ced in #128 (the ":P" is a little telling). Not sure if that means anything, given that KJ is not very experienced while responding to the very experienced Ced. Still stuck out at me.
I'd like to hear more about the origin of Iso's supposed PR. Was the original PR the exact same? Was it also in this game (i.e. Family Mafia 1)?
Mostly Mute Monk (the name of the PR he has) has been around for awhile. I don't know all the incarnations of the role, but it was in the first [The Family] Mafia. I had it.
The rules in that game were as such:
Can only post up to 3 words per post, including votes and unvotes. Player names count as one word regardless of the number of words in their name.
Can post unlimited smilies and punctuation.
Cannot alter quotes to say what you want to say.
As Iso's not included one word in any of his posts other than votes or unvotes, he's either faking it poorly, or EP made it different (and even more restrictive) than the previous incarnation.
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Hahaha
I believe you are mistaken, but I can't remember specifically. Too bad ZDS isn't here, he could tell us, as I don't feel like looking it up.
I know I couldn't change anything, but I think I could emphasize what I wanted to get across.
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No. Wait, yes. Wait, was that a trick question?
After a skim through, it strikes me as odd that we are getting so hung up about PRs. If the first game is anything to go by, PRs are plentiful and outrageous.
This post of Anak's reeks of something. Fishing? Passively-aggressively accusing Manders of lying about her PR? Both? Yes
Hahaha, exactly. Which is why I don't understand why so many people are focusing on the PRs. Hell, even mine, they were all, like, "Oh, hey, that's bastardly that Manders said pre-game she'd hate that PR and now she has it. Oh, well."
Eh, really too early to tell, but I think you may be jumping for nothing much really. I'd like to see what Shalako has to say about him.
Hahaha, not a trick question, love. I agree on Anak's post, which is why I questioned him right away.
Why are all you people focusing on the PRs so much?
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QUICK KILL SOMEONE BASED ON HEARSAY!
DIE ISO DIE!
Fake edit: Disregard Ace. He slipped back into the Niv personality.
Hahaha, you know what? If that's the case, it's pretty improbable he's faking it. In all the time I've talked to him, he's never mentioned reading that game, so he wouldn't know about this PR before now.
HMMMMMMMMM.
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Hahahaha, you know, you have several posts from that game embedded into my blog because they were so freaking hilarious. My personal favorite?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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I wouldn't have sold it anyway
You should have let Shala answer
But you cared about things that aren't your matter
And yes, I did say "considered as scummy"
Because it leads to more talk when you act strongly
Even if without any certainty
Attacking a player can help you foresee
His intentions, alignment, role and such
Lesson 1 of Mafia, thank you very much.
[The Family] pressed the "lynch" button, thinking it was labeled "lunch" .
Ooh, yeah, loran did something similar for Silent Prophet in Amnesia Mafia. Just a sec...
B =
C =
D =
E =
F =
G =
H =
I =
J =
K =
L =
M =
N =
O =
P =
Q =:stupid:
R =
S =
T =
U =
V =
W =
X =
Y =
Z =
There. Now he has no excuses.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Is the talk about PRs completely scum-driven?
Come on people there's more to discuss
You should make valid points if you want to bus.
I'm going to sleep now, but please understand
The jetlag will make me miss from ten to thousand
I'll be back tommorrow, for the worst and the best
I'm not like most of you far toward the west.
[The Family] pressed the "lynch" button, thinking it was labeled "lunch" .
Oh, no, no, no Flew. I hate this. Very much so.
Seriously, this is my number one complaint about playing this game. Players who like to piss me off/push my buttons (usually done by stating suspicions on me for stupid ****) so that they can get a reaction out of me.
Hahaha, I think you did fine.
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