Well, if I don't get the posts today, it's going to be a long wait since I'll be on a plane all day tomorrow and most of Saturday.
So here's to hoping someone is around that I can banter with enough, and then I'll vote for PJ - who I assume is whom TFF is referencing with the Seppel vote.
I'll banter with a little bit. So you still didn't answer my question, so you are a role cop, but not as all inclusive AE in what you get. Is that what you are claiming?
Wit's End is the PERFECT answer to your opponent's Monomania however.
Just hold on to your Wit's End when they Monomania, so you can Wit's End them on your next turn!!!
I think this is fairly reminiscent of the "Jace Battles" we have seen in past standards.. My guess is we will soon witness the great Monomania-Wit's End battles.
I feel like Az should be MVP, but at the same time, my god does that feel dirty to say.
Also in case you were wondering the info I had was that there were no other alignment cops in this game (hence why me being the Naive cop was impossible).
First off thanks Seppel for the game it was a lot of fun.
Second off, I am guessing game B is still going on, would it be possible to get into the spectator's group for game B.
Also I would like to hear Cyan's thoughts on us being inside his head and also explain why everything was Periwinkle instead of Cyan... It was very disturbing.
I don't think I've had a well-balanced game terminate this quickly in the town's favor, ever before. 100% hit rate. Day two victory. Tons of fun! Good game.
This was my role:
AZRAEL - TOWN
You are Cyan, town suicidal vote-donator.
As Cyan, you die a lot. You get lynched a lot. You get killed Night 1 a lot.
So now you can show them all by suiciding before they get to you, with the benefit of passing on your vote.
* You can vote.
* You can PM the moderator at any time, saying that you want to suicide and who you want to give your vote to. That player will gain an additional vote for the rest of the game. You may not post after you send your PM or else you will be modkilled. Your alignment and role will not be revealed if you suicide.
You are Cyan, town unlynchable unkillable miller vigilante.
You are the most amazing role in the history of roles.
* You can vote.
* You cannot be lynched.
* You cannot be nightkilled.
* Any alignment investigation on you will show you as MAFIA.
* Each night, you may target someone to kill.
This role is so amazing that nobody will ever believe it. Ever. So the following things will happen if you try to get people to believe you:
* If you claim that you are unlynchable, you will immediately become lynchable for the rest of the game.
* If you claim that you are unkillable, you will immediately become nightkillable for the rest of the game.
* If you claim that you are a miller, you will appear on the player list in red with the title "Mafia Goon."
* If you claim that you are a vig, you will immediately lose your ability to nightkill, and everyone else will gain the ability to daykill you.
Even hinting at an aspect of your role counts as claiming. If you are unsure, PM the moderator.
Please reply to confirm that you have read your role PM.
-T2-
JOBIE - TOWN
You are Cyan, town stubborn voter.
You are so sure of who is scum. Always. And you never random vote. So your vote power will increase each time you are stubborn.
* You can vote.
* If you place a vote on your first post of a day and NEVER UNVOTE OR CHANGE YOUR VOTE FOR THE REST OF THE DAY, you will receive an additional vote for the rest of the game.
** These additional votes are cumulative, so if you do this for two days, you will have THREE votes. If you do it for three days, you will have FOUR votes. And so on.
Please reply to confirm that you have read your role PM.
-T3-
AXELROD - TOWN
You are Cyan, town Jack of all Trades.
You have played countless mafia games, and now you know every role there is under the sun.
Day Abilities:
* You can vote.
* You are a one-shot triple-voter. [Use anytime during the Day. "Vote <name>, Vote <name>, vote <name>." You cannot double-vote.]
Twilight Abilities:
* You are a one-shot twilight census-taker. [Use anytime during twilight. PM me.]
Night Abilities:
* You are a one-shot cop.
* You are a one-shot doc.
* You are a one-shot hider.
* You are a one-shot watcher.
* You are a one-shot tracker.
* You are a one-shot roleblocker.
* You are a one-shot redirector.
* You are a one-shot jailor.
* You are a one-shot bodyguard.
* You are a one-shot untargetable townie.
** You may use only one of these per night.
Please reply to confirm that you have read your role PM.
-T4-
DYH - TOWN
You are Cyan, town 100-Post Abilitycop.
Cyan posts a lot. And when he posts a lot, he gets answers. So here's how it goes:
* You can vote.
* Once per night, you may investigate a player, but only if you have at least 100 more total posts than that player. You will learn every ability that player has, except mafia-related abilities.
** For replacements, the postcount of a role includes all players of that role.
** Remember to obey the MTGS rules against spamming. Triple-posting will negatively affect your ability.
Please reply to confirm that you have read your role PM.
[MODNOTE: If used on -T1-, does not relay "Any investigations on you will show you as MAFIA."]
[MODNOTE: If used on -M1-, does not relay "Each night, you may target someone to kill, and choose someone in the mafia to make that kill. If you die, this ability will be passed on to DYH, then Seppel." or "Any investigations on you will show you as town."]
-T5-
AZRAEL - TOWN
You are Cyan, town suicidal vote-donator.
As Cyan, you die a lot. You get lynched a lot. You get killed Night 1 a lot.
So now you can show them all by suiciding before they get to you, with the benefit of passing on your vote.
* You can vote.
* You can PM the moderator at any time, saying that you want to suicide and who you want to give your vote to. That player will gain an additional vote for the rest of the game. You may not post after you send your PM or else you will be modkilled. Your alignment and role will not be revealed if you suicide.
Please reply to confirm that you have read your role PM.
-T6-
MANDERSHEX - TOWN
You are Cyan, town impossible-perma-roleblocker.
You call things impossible. So now you can make them impossible.
* You can vote.
* Once per day whenever someone makes an ability claim, you can say that claim is impossible in BOLD TEXT. If you do, that player loses that ability permanently. That player will be informed in PM, regardless of whether or not s/he was telling the truth or not.
Win Condition: You have the standard town win condition. But you do not know it.
Please reply to confirm that you have read your role PM.
[MODNOTE: If used on -T1- (Cyan, town unlynchable unkillable miller vig), then -T1- will have his/her consequences for claiming reversed.)]
[MODNOTE: If used on -T3- (Cyan, town Jack of all Trades) and -T3- claimed JoaT, then -T3- will lose all abilities, regardless of any individual abilities claimed.]
[MODNOTE: Will revoke the ability to vote if used on the claim of being able to vote.]
-T7-
THEFOOFISH - TOWN
You are Cyan, vanilla townie with a HORRIBLE POSTING RESTRICTION.
Cyan hates posting restrictions. However, is it really a posting restriction if you can say nearly anything?
Cyan has almost 20,000 posts on MTGS. The only way you may post is by copying and pasting a single post made by Cyan on MTGS. This includes voting and unvoting. You cannot cut out parts of posts - you must use the entire post.
Please reply to confirm that you have read your role PM.
-M1-
ARCHMAGE ETERNAL - MAFIA (WITH ALPHAINSIDIOUS AND PUDDLEJUMPER)
You are Cyan, mafia godfather cop.
You're a MAFIA Cop? Certainly your role can't be anything but town regardless of ANYTHING.
So let's sweeten the deal. You're a rolecop instead. And you can kill at the same time.
* You can vote.
* Each night, you may target a player, and you will receive that player's full role PM.
* Each night, you may target someone to kill, and choose someone in the mafia to make that kill. If you die, this ability will be passed on to DYH, then Seppel.
* Any investigations on you will show you as town.
Win condition: The number of mafia-aligned players must be greater than or equal to the number of non-mafia-aligned players.
Please reply to confirm that you have read your role PM.
-M2-
PUDDLEJUMPER - MAFIA (WITH ALPHAINSIDIOUS AND ARCHMAGE ETERNAL)
You are DYH, mafia untargetable self-watcher.
What a great scumbuddy team you and Cyan will make! Just don't let Seppel ruin it!
* You can vote.
* You cannot be targeted. If anyone targets you with an ability, that ability will fail and you will be notified of who attempted to target you.
Win condition: The number of mafia-aligned players must be greater than or equal to the number of non-mafia-aligned players.
Please reply to confirm that you have read your role PM.
-M3-
ALPHAINSIDIOUS - MAFIA (WITH PUDDLEJUMPER AND ARCHMAGE ETERNAL)
You are Seppel, mafia ANYTHING.
You can claim anything about yourself and it'll be true. Abilities, votes, you name it. And if you want to change your mind, just say that you're really something else!
* You can vote.
* You can claim anything in BOLD TEXT and it'll immediately come true... with a few limits:
** You CANNOT claim any killing role.
** You CANNOT claim any day abilities or anything that can give you day abilities.
** You CANNOT claim any vote manipulation abilities, including but not limited to adding votes, removing votes, changing votes, and modifying lynch thresholds.
** You CANNOT claim anything that will remove people from voting for you or make it so the town cannot lynch you.
** You CANNOT change your alignment.
*** You can still claim anything that you cannot claim, it just won't come true.
Win Condition: The number of mafia-aligned players must be greater than or equal to the number of non-mafia-aligned players.
Please reply to confirm that you have read your role PM.
MAFIA FALSECLAIMS:
-Falseclaim 1-
You are Seppel, self-protecting superdoc VANILLA TOWNIE.
You think you're always right, huh? Well, then prove it and you can be a power role.
* You can vote.
* If a mafia-aligned player is lynched and you are on the vote, you become a self-protecting doc.
* If a second mafia-aligned player is lynched and you are on the vote again, you become a self-protecting doc who can protect another player as well.
* If a townie is lynched and you are on the vote, you become vanilla again.
Please reply to confirm that you have read your role PM.
-Falseclaim 2-
You are Cyan, night-action-result bus driver.
This role has never existed in the history of mafia. And it still doesn't.
* You can vote.
* Each night, you may target two players. If either would receive a night action result PM from the moderator that night, the other player receives it instead.
** You cannot target yourself.
Azrael played strongly, not needing to use his ability. DYH put forth a lot of effort towards reaching his 100-post goal and remaining a threat to the mafia. Emo_Pinata played his role tightly, never once suffering a drawback. And best of all, TFF played one of the most difficult roles in the history of mafia like it was a walk in the park.
The mafia slipped and lurked, and got called out for it. I was surprised they didn't try to improve their appearance when both DYH's role (which was out in the open D1) and the AP system motivated them post more and blend in with the town. Puddlejumper gave D2 a great effort, and as the strongest solo mafiate, he still could have won, since he was immune to all of the town's night abilities, but Azrael quashed that chance with what could technically be called a perfect town win.
Unused abilities across both games:
* While both mafia teams schemed about what to do with the Seppel role, neither of them capitalized on it at all.
* Neither suicidal vote donator used the suicide ability.
* Neither 100-post abilitycop got a successful result.
That is correct. AE's cop claim (if he hadn't botched it) was supposed to be supported by Guardman's role.
I completely read it the other way around. So if he had claimed that he was an alignment cop I would've pounced on him and revealed my info. Plus technically my info was correct, the best kind of correct.
Technically Axelrod had a 1-shot cop too. READING COMPERhwhaasis
Interesting that the other game had the town getting whomped.
Also glad to see that Pj was scum & not just a [smurf].
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I just love Az's last post: "You managed to clear two townie analysts for anyone who knows how to read emotional tells." The post I'm almost sure he's looking at, the one where I go "Your. Point. Is. Ludicrous." was specifically written as a show for him. I did my level best to look exasperated and affronted in order to appeal to his preference for emotional tells, and it worked perfectly.
Wow. GG guys. I know I kind of sleptwalked through a lot of it. Here I was figuring my role to be about the most busted thing ever and it's only about the third most busted role in the game.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Yeah, you kept leaving trails making it clear you just weren't reading the thread, & I was like, does a scum can gambit not reading the thread to look townie by posting off the wall?
You should give a minute to Pick Order, please! I wanna run it this year
Great game everyone. So much fun. I'm a little sad it's already over though, since I still have hundreds of unused Cyan quotes sorted out. Also, If anyone wants any of my posts translated, I'd be happy to explain what I was trying to get across.
And I want to apologize to MH. I was never anywhere near as suspicious of you as I sounded. I was just so excited at first to have found a batch of quotes that somewhat fit the situation, that I used them to apply some early pressure, and then I was mildly suspicious of the reactions, but my post-restriction prevented the expression of mild suspicion, so I just let the train go and hoped for the best. Sorry.
And I can't wait to read the other game. My role had to be brutal over there with the player base in general having less experience with Cyan. How many players could even be voted?
Az was obviously great, easily MVP. But everyone in the town played strong. And thanks seppel for the amazing game, this was probably my favorite role ever, despite the frequent complaints.
And I just finished reading through the spec forum, I'm glad everyone enjoyed my posts. The role was as much fun to play as it was to watch.
I really liked the "I hope a bird poop's on your head" from my counterpart. Even more looking forward to reading that game now.
And now I'm a little upset MH got herself modkilled when she did, I was just getting ready to claim a restriction to test her ability. I wasn't sure it would work, but I thought it was worth a try, and now I know it would have. Oh well, it was probably for the best.
I feel like DYH was my personal town MVP; he always felt at least leaning-town, & was a game-related reason to try to wrangle down my signal-to-noise.
Also, G-man, your role-related info suggests there ARE other cop roles in a game with a Naive cop you big dork
Thanks, Rian!
The town really played well as a whole - which Seppel covers in his review. I'd give Az the nod for MVP, as well.
LOL @ Guardman misreading his information and it working out for the best, anyhow.
Also awesome that I was scum (as a role). But Town (in the game).
Loved it, Seppel; great job with the setup!
Also, TFF was awesome!
@Manders: I'm very sorry this game was not as enjoyable for you as it could've been. The battle became long and drawn out as a result of my role and needing to post so much. Couple that with you being so active, us being on simultaneously, and it just became tedious- we had nothing to do but shout at each other. No hard feelings, I hope.
Perfect timing for the game to end, as I'm off to Manila in just a few hours! See you all in a couple weeks.
I actually removed your counterpart's PR on Day 1, TFF.
I was HOPING it would give me town points, but nooo. I was a huge scumspect until Tilde, who I had pegged as scum from post 58 in the game, FINALLY got lynched on Day 3.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Az for MVP his two PBPAs on ~r and PJ changed my mind before PJ claimed a role that obviously conflicted with mine and I had to scrounge around for reasons to say it was false. I'm just happy to still be an awesome vig, and I'm sorry I missed like half of Day 1.
The mafia won the other game because too many town though I was scum early on long enough to find the actual scum. Though I feel like a massclaim would have helped my game, given my ability.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
And I want to apologize to MH. I was never anywhere near as suspicious of you as I sounded. I was just so excited at first to have found a batch of quotes that somewhat fit the situation, that I used them to apply some early pressure, and then I was mildly suspicious of the reactions, but my post-restriction prevented the expression of mild suspicion, so I just let the train go and hoped for the best. Sorry.
It is I who owes the town an apology. I just flipped out over what seemed like weak cases on me, and I have got to work on that not happening.
I was just so excited to finally play in this game.
And now I'm a little upset MH got herself modkilled when she did, I was just getting ready to claim a restriction to test her ability. I wasn't sure it would work, but I thought it was worth a try, and now I know it would have. Oh well, it was probably for the best.
Believe me, I'm still pissed at myself for getting modkilled. Not just getting modkilled, but doing so by Seppel. He felt so bad...which made me feel bad...terrible cycle.
But, I suppose a couple good things happened out of this:
1) Town won.
2) Seppel said I can still count this as a game. He doesn't care I was modkilled.
3) Since I had less than 100 posts when I died, I get an achievement!
@Manders: I'm very sorry this game was not as enjoyable for you as it could've been. The battle became long and drawn out as a result of my role and needing to post so much. Couple that with you being so active, us being on simultaneously, and it just became tedious- we had nothing to do but shout at each other. No hard feelings, I hope.
Yeah, it just wasn't meant to be. But, no, no hard feelings at all. Do you forgive me for being a *****?
Now. All that being said.
Seppel.
What. The. Hell.
Why was I the only one to have:
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MANDERSHEX - TOWN
You are Cyan, town impossible-perma-roleblocker.
You call things impossible. So now you can make them impossible.
* You can vote.
* Once per day whenever someone makes an ability claim, you can say that claim is impossible in BOLD TEXT. If you do, that player loses that ability permanently. That player will be informed in PM, regardless of whether or not s/he was telling the truth or not.
Win Condition: You have the standard town win condition. But you do not know it.
Manders, you could have just claimed the town win condition in the first post... I almost did, but I figured my win condition was something along the lines of Miller-ism - Claim it ASAP.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Manders, you could have just claimed the town win condition in the first post... I almost did, but I figured my win condition was something along the lines of Miller-ism - Claim it ASAP.
Honey, I didn't notice the OP had the town WC. Why would I check for that? I was town.
Hold on, I'll find my reaction to DYH calling me out on it.
Edit: You know, reading it again, there's a lot of posts that are equally important to see my reaction. Just start reading here.
LOL @ Guardman misreading his information and it working out for the best, anyhow.
1. And actually I misinterpreted it, as I thought it implied that my role is in this game (i.e. impossible) because there were no other cops.
2. I was technically correct.
I actually removed your counterpart's PR on Day 1, TFF.
I'm disappointed. And he wasn't even really following the post restriction anyway, he was just doing cyan quote walls. If I had known I could use multiple cyan posts in each post, my role never would have been discovered.
So I sat back and was lazy all game. My master plan from the time I read my role was to claim a PR when someone called me out for not voting and end up with a surprise triple vote on Day 3.
The problem with this is most of my play utilizes voting for pressure and not being a "case creator", so this role (or rather my use of it) completely hamstrung me.
Also, a big EL oh El at all y'all who were pressuring me for sheeping Az.
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So I sat back and was lazy all game. My master plan from the time I read my role was to claim a PR when someone called me out for not voting and end up with a surprise triple vote on Day 3.
The problem with this is most of my play utilizes voting for pressure and not being a "case creator", so this role (or rather my use of it) completely hamstrung me.
Also, a big EL oh El at all y'all who were pressuring me for sheeping Az.
WoD didn't do too bad with your ability.
Speaking of, I just have to say, after I died, I knew iLord had DYH's role because he never posts that much and brought me in as a co-mod because he needed someone who was active to resolve attacks and knew he couldn't do it on his own.
lol
I also knew puddlejumper was scum. I just didn't realize it until after I died. I talked about it in the spec forum. There was one particular post that said it all for me...
Edit: Ah, yes, here it is. He was one of the ones that jumped on the opportunism thing with me, then he says this? Pshah, scum.
Oh, no, honey. I now refuse to claim a WC. It serves no purpose and is too easy to blow up in your face.
I will not claim my win condition ever again. You have all been told (again).
Also, I was reading the game again and saw this. Finally got to watch the video, too.
So, what's that supposed to mean? Which one is me?
Basically the video meant that we, the town, had absolutely no idea what you were saying. Also I am the only one sexy enough in this game to pull off Picard, so...
I completely read it the other way around. So if he had claimed that he was an alignment cop I would've pounced on him and revealed my info. Plus technically my info was correct, the best kind of correct.
Just so you know, I read it this exact way too. But when Tilde, our mafia cop, claimed cop, I started waffling on it, and it was the final nail in my coffin.
So don't feel bad, both people who had the role read it the same way haha.
This is going to be a little disappointing because I lost the original file that had my notes, and instead only had the one with the roles fleshed out. So just imagine I'd say "I don't remember where this role came from," to a lot of these.
Azrael, Cyan, town suicidal vote-donator
Cyan went though an excessive streak of games where he never lived to Day 2. This role is a balanced /ragequit.
Axelrod, Cyan, town jack of all trades
Another simple role -- Cyan's played over 70 games on MTGS, so let's give him every role under the sun.
DYH, Cyan, town 100-post abilitycop
This role came to fruition along the lines of Cyan both posting a lot and remarking that threads get spammed up when rewards are issued for posting a lot.
TheFooFish, Cyan, vanilla townie with a HORRIBLE POSTING RESTRICTION
The posting Hyde to the posting Jekyll. Also an experiment to see if it was possible to play a game of mafia with a limited subset of possible things to say. Ged's favorite role.
Emo_Pinata, Cyan, town unlynchable unkillable miller vigilante
I'm amused by the fact that you can walk into a game and after a few dozen posts, decide on a target who you will insist is scum beyond any shadow of doubt, but when it comes to beverage choice, decisiveness is suddenly an issue. =p
Rianalnn, Kpaca, vanilla townie
Kpaca is never a vanilla townie.
MandersHex, Cyan, town impossible-perma-roleblocker
A meta role. Also a soft counter to the Seppel role.
Second, let's make sure that we understand you perfectly. Your theory is that the town only had one Cop, and that this Cop was Naive. Disregarding the fact that your 'analogy' of comparing this to a game that had ZERO Docs is completely and utterly awful, let's try something logical. Please provide an example of a game that has featured only one Cop, which was Naive. Particularly considering that he was REVEALED as Naive upon death. Good luck. This type of thing doesn't happen. Unfortunately, sometimes Mods make mistakes and put roles like Naive Cop in the game. But there is *always* a real Cop as well.
So if you're untargetable how can you see anyone who targets you? This came up at some point, and I don't remember where.
AlphaInsidious, Seppel, mafia ANYTHING
As long as it didn't break the game, I would've allowed it. This was the game where someone could get away with the most bizarre claims, but nobody capitalized on it.
(Technically Tilde did try to use this ability, but "insane french jester" was both nonsense and an alignment change.)
Unused abilities across both games:
* While both mafia teams schemed about what to do with the Seppel role, neither of them capitalized on it at all.
I am curious to see the other mafia's nighttalk and see what they came up with. If our mass claim had gone through D2, I'd have used it, but I never saw anything which was a really awesome idea that wasn't obviously scummy.
I also missed my chance at the start of the game to come in spouting nonsense claims. I'm too low-key a player to get away with that sort of thing
Did you have anything in mind for it as you were creating it/the games were in progress?
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That is correct. AE's cop claim (if he hadn't botched it) was supposed to be supported by Guardman's role.
I think the fact that both games misinterpreted the wording means you should have worded it better
The mafia won the other game because too many town though I was scum early on long enough to find the actual scum. Though I feel like a massclaim would have helped my game, given my ability.
This is not true. We (the mafia) got a couple of good kills off, and were very fortunate that the unkillable-miller-vig accidentally triggered his suicide Day 1 AND we got the JOAT lynched. The town made some bad lynches and then your stubborn voter got too excited and snap lost in LyLo.
I'll banter with a little bit. So you still didn't answer my question, so you are a role cop, but not as all inclusive AE in what you get. Is that what you are claiming?
I think this puts me to Jobie+100.
Vote: Puddlejumper
V/LA: 3/21-3/24 & 3/27-3/29
Alright.
To keep this banter going, did you also not get a role info on AI. I am guessing this is the case since you didn't claim anything about it.
V/LA: 3/21-3/24 & 3/27-3/29
Cool. That makes it even more likely that PJ is lying and is our last scum.
Let's win this game.
This is an agreeable post.
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V/LA: 3/21-3/24 & 3/27-3/29
unvote, vote Puddlejumper
V/LA: 3/21-3/24 & 3/27-3/29
Puddlejumper (5): Azrael, Guardman, Rianalnn, DYH, Emo_Pinata
Rianalnn (1): Jobie
Axelrod (1): Jobie
Not Voting (4): Axelrod, Puddlejumper, TheFooFish
Puddlejumper has been lynched.
The greatest and most powerful mafia team in the history of Mafia has been taken down by sane and rational thoughts.
Puddlejumper, DYH, mafia untargetable self-watcher, is no more.
The balance of mafia games has been saved, and what is impossible has remained impossible.
Congratulations to Azrael, Axelrod, DYH, Emo_Pinata, Guardman, Jobie Manders, Rianalnn, TheFooFish for a Town Win!
The game is over. All players and spectators may chat in the thread now.
Also in case you were wondering the info I had was that there were no other alignment cops in this game (hence why me being the Naive cop was impossible).
Second off, I am guessing game B is still going on, would it be possible to get into the spectator's group for game B.
Also I would like to hear Cyan's thoughts on us being inside his head and also explain why everything was Periwinkle instead of Cyan... It was very disturbing.
well Az, I apologize for half of yesterday; you were town, but so was Axelrod, & Pj was decidedly not cleared by me
This counts as a flawless town victory, right?
What killed Sheepish last night?
/kpaca, vanilla townie without any flavour
You were really kpaca?
While you sort of had the attitude down, your were posting at way too high of levels to be kpaca.
Hell yeah it does.
I don't think I've had a well-balanced game terminate this quickly in the town's favor, ever before. 100% hit rate. Day two victory. Tons of fun! Good game.
This was my role:
So how did the no-kill come about?
I actually like Az's role. It's sort of an interesting take and able to distribute power in case of emergencies.
-Nothing
T1
Axelrod takes a census [8 TOWN, 3 MAFIA]
N1
Jobie gets an extra vote
AlphaInsidious kills Emo_Pinata [FAILED]
Emo_Pinata kills AlphaInsidious [SUCCESS]
Guardman investigates Azrael [TOWN]
Axelrod tracks Azrael [Azrael targeted nobody.]
DYH abilitycops AlphaInsidious [YOUR TARGET DIED]
D2
Town win.
-T1-
EMO_PINATA - TOWN
You are Cyan, town unlynchable unkillable miller vigilante.
You are the most amazing role in the history of roles.
* You can vote.
* You cannot be lynched.
* You cannot be nightkilled.
* Any alignment investigation on you will show you as MAFIA.
* Each night, you may target someone to kill.
This role is so amazing that nobody will ever believe it. Ever. So the following things will happen if you try to get people to believe you:
* If you claim that you are unlynchable, you will immediately become lynchable for the rest of the game.
* If you claim that you are unkillable, you will immediately become nightkillable for the rest of the game.
* If you claim that you are a miller, you will appear on the player list in red with the title "Mafia Goon."
* If you claim that you are a vig, you will immediately lose your ability to nightkill, and everyone else will gain the ability to daykill you.
Even hinting at an aspect of your role counts as claiming. If you are unsure, PM the moderator.
Win Condition: Eliminate all threats.
Game Thread: http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=370165
Please reply to confirm that you have read your role PM.
-T2-
JOBIE - TOWN
You are Cyan, town stubborn voter.
You are so sure of who is scum. Always. And you never random vote. So your vote power will increase each time you are stubborn.
* You can vote.
* If you place a vote on your first post of a day and NEVER UNVOTE OR CHANGE YOUR VOTE FOR THE REST OF THE DAY, you will receive an additional vote for the rest of the game.
** These additional votes are cumulative, so if you do this for two days, you will have THREE votes. If you do it for three days, you will have FOUR votes. And so on.
Win Condition: Eliminate all threats.
Game Thread: http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=370165
Please reply to confirm that you have read your role PM.
-T3-
AXELROD - TOWN
You are Cyan, town Jack of all Trades.
You have played countless mafia games, and now you know every role there is under the sun.
Day Abilities:
* You can vote.
* You are a one-shot triple-voter. [Use anytime during the Day. "Vote <name>, Vote <name>, vote <name>." You cannot double-vote.]
Twilight Abilities:
* You are a one-shot twilight census-taker. [Use anytime during twilight. PM me.]
Night Abilities:
* You are a one-shot cop.
* You are a one-shot doc.
* You are a one-shot hider.
* You are a one-shot watcher.
* You are a one-shot tracker.
* You are a one-shot roleblocker.
* You are a one-shot redirector.
* You are a one-shot jailor.
* You are a one-shot bodyguard.
* You are a one-shot untargetable townie.
** You may use only one of these per night.
Win Condition: Eliminate all threats.
Game Thread: http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=370165
Please reply to confirm that you have read your role PM.
-T4-
DYH - TOWN
You are Cyan, town 100-Post Abilitycop.
Cyan posts a lot. And when he posts a lot, he gets answers. So here's how it goes:
* You can vote.
* Once per night, you may investigate a player, but only if you have at least 100 more total posts than that player. You will learn every ability that player has, except mafia-related abilities.
** For replacements, the postcount of a role includes all players of that role.
** Remember to obey the MTGS rules against spamming. Triple-posting will negatively affect your ability.
Win Condition: Eliminate all threats.
Game Thread: http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=370165
Please reply to confirm that you have read your role PM.
[MODNOTE: If used on -T1-, does not relay "Any investigations on you will show you as MAFIA."]
[MODNOTE: If used on -M1-, does not relay "Each night, you may target someone to kill, and choose someone in the mafia to make that kill. If you die, this ability will be passed on to DYH, then Seppel." or "Any investigations on you will show you as town."]
-T5-
AZRAEL - TOWN
You are Cyan, town suicidal vote-donator.
As Cyan, you die a lot. You get lynched a lot. You get killed Night 1 a lot.
So now you can show them all by suiciding before they get to you, with the benefit of passing on your vote.
* You can vote.
* You can PM the moderator at any time, saying that you want to suicide and who you want to give your vote to. That player will gain an additional vote for the rest of the game. You may not post after you send your PM or else you will be modkilled. Your alignment and role will not be revealed if you suicide.
Win Condition: Eliminate all threats.
Game Thread: http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=370165
Please reply to confirm that you have read your role PM.
-T6-
MANDERSHEX - TOWN
You are Cyan, town impossible-perma-roleblocker.
You call things impossible. So now you can make them impossible.
* You can vote.
* Once per day whenever someone makes an ability claim, you can say that claim is impossible in BOLD TEXT. If you do, that player loses that ability permanently. That player will be informed in PM, regardless of whether or not s/he was telling the truth or not.
Win Condition: You have the standard town win condition. But you do not know it.
Game Thread: http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=370165
Please reply to confirm that you have read your role PM.
[MODNOTE: If used on -T1- (Cyan, town unlynchable unkillable miller vig), then -T1- will have his/her consequences for claiming reversed.)]
[MODNOTE: If used on -T3- (Cyan, town Jack of all Trades) and -T3- claimed JoaT, then -T3- will lose all abilities, regardless of any individual abilities claimed.]
[MODNOTE: Will revoke the ability to vote if used on the claim of being able to vote.]
-T7-
THEFOOFISH - TOWN
You are Cyan, vanilla townie with a HORRIBLE POSTING RESTRICTION.
Cyan hates posting restrictions. However, is it really a posting restriction if you can say nearly anything?
Cyan has almost 20,000 posts on MTGS. The only way you may post is by copying and pasting a single post made by Cyan on MTGS. This includes voting and unvoting. You cannot cut out parts of posts - you must use the entire post.
Here is Cyan's profile, for reference: http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/member.php?u=503
The search function is your friend. A list of Cyan's games is in the signup thread.
* You may only post full posts that Cyan has posted before.
* You may vote, but only if you paste a full post where Cyan has voted that person before.
Win Condition: Eliminate all threats.
Game Thread: http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=370165
Please reply to confirm that you have read your role PM.
-T8-
GUARDMAN - TOWN
You are Cyan, town naive cop.
Your vast mafia experience tells you that it is impossible for naive cops to exist in a game without other cop roles as well.
* You can vote.
* You are a cop. You will always receive the result of "town."
Win Condition: Eliminate all threats.
Game Thread: http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=370165
Please reply to confirm that you have read your role PM.
[MODNOTE: If used on -T1- with miller status on (replacement effect), will return "MAFIA."]
-T9-
RIANALNN - TOWN
You are Kpaca, vanilla townie.
No flavor, just a vanilla townie.
* You can vote.
Win Condition: Eliminate all threats.
Game Thread: http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=370165
Please reply to confirm that you have read your role PM.
-M1-
ARCHMAGE ETERNAL - MAFIA (WITH ALPHAINSIDIOUS AND PUDDLEJUMPER)
You are Cyan, mafia godfather cop.
You're a MAFIA Cop? Certainly your role can't be anything but town regardless of ANYTHING.
So let's sweeten the deal. You're a rolecop instead. And you can kill at the same time.
* You can vote.
* Each night, you may target a player, and you will receive that player's full role PM.
* Each night, you may target someone to kill, and choose someone in the mafia to make that kill. If you die, this ability will be passed on to DYH, then Seppel.
* Any investigations on you will show you as town.
Win condition: The number of mafia-aligned players must be greater than or equal to the number of non-mafia-aligned players.
Game Thread: http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=370165
Mafia Quicktopic: http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/Dj7Ej99EqKBg
Please reply to confirm that you have read your role PM.
-M2-
PUDDLEJUMPER - MAFIA (WITH ALPHAINSIDIOUS AND ARCHMAGE ETERNAL)
You are DYH, mafia untargetable self-watcher.
What a great scumbuddy team you and Cyan will make! Just don't let Seppel ruin it!
* You can vote.
* You cannot be targeted. If anyone targets you with an ability, that ability will fail and you will be notified of who attempted to target you.
Win condition: The number of mafia-aligned players must be greater than or equal to the number of non-mafia-aligned players.
Game Thread: http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=370165
Mafia Quicktopic: http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/Dj7Ej99EqKBg
Please reply to confirm that you have read your role PM.
-M3-
ALPHAINSIDIOUS - MAFIA (WITH PUDDLEJUMPER AND ARCHMAGE ETERNAL)
You are Seppel, mafia ANYTHING.
You can claim anything about yourself and it'll be true. Abilities, votes, you name it. And if you want to change your mind, just say that you're really something else!
* You can vote.
* You can claim anything in BOLD TEXT and it'll immediately come true... with a few limits:
** You CANNOT claim any killing role.
** You CANNOT claim any day abilities or anything that can give you day abilities.
** You CANNOT claim any vote manipulation abilities, including but not limited to adding votes, removing votes, changing votes, and modifying lynch thresholds.
** You CANNOT claim anything that will remove people from voting for you or make it so the town cannot lynch you.
** You CANNOT change your alignment.
*** You can still claim anything that you cannot claim, it just won't come true.
Win Condition: The number of mafia-aligned players must be greater than or equal to the number of non-mafia-aligned players.
Game Thread: http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=370165
Mafia Quicktopic: http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/Dj7Ej99EqKBg
Please reply to confirm that you have read your role PM.
MAFIA FALSECLAIMS:
-Falseclaim 1-
You are Seppel,
self-protecting superdocVANILLA TOWNIE.You think you're always right, huh? Well, then prove it and you can be a power role.
* You can vote.
* If a mafia-aligned player is lynched and you are on the vote, you become a self-protecting doc.
* If a second mafia-aligned player is lynched and you are on the vote again, you become a self-protecting doc who can protect another player as well.
* If a townie is lynched and you are on the vote, you become vanilla again.
Win Condition: Eliminate all threats.
Game Thread: http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=370165
Please reply to confirm that you have read your role PM.
-Falseclaim 2-
You are Cyan, night-action-result bus driver.
This role has never existed in the history of mafia. And it still doesn't.
* You can vote.
* Each night, you may target two players. If either would receive a night action result PM from the moderator that night, the other player receives it instead.
** You cannot target yourself.
Win Condition: Eliminate all threats.
Game Thread: http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=370165
Please reply to confirm that you have read your role PM.
Mafia quicktopic: http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/Dj7Ej99EqKBg
Spec forum, now open: http://groups.google.com/group/cyans-impossible-spectators?hl=en
The Alternate Universe game ended in a Mafia Win roughly 24 hours before this game ended in a Town Win.
These threads will soon be moved into the normal Mafia forum.
I feel like DYH was my personal town MVP; he always felt at least leaning-town, & was a game-related reason to try to wrangle down my signal-to-noise.
Also, G-man, your role-related info suggests there ARE other cop roles in a game with a Naive cop you big dork
Azrael played strongly, not needing to use his ability. DYH put forth a lot of effort towards reaching his 100-post goal and remaining a threat to the mafia. Emo_Pinata played his role tightly, never once suffering a drawback. And best of all, TFF played one of the most difficult roles in the history of mafia like it was a walk in the park.
The mafia slipped and lurked, and got called out for it. I was surprised they didn't try to improve their appearance when both DYH's role (which was out in the open D1) and the AP system motivated them post more and blend in with the town. Puddlejumper gave D2 a great effort, and as the strongest solo mafiate, he still could have won, since he was immune to all of the town's night abilities, but Azrael quashed that chance with what could technically be called a perfect town win.
Unused abilities across both games:
* While both mafia teams schemed about what to do with the Seppel role, neither of them capitalized on it at all.
* Neither suicidal vote donator used the suicide ability.
* Neither 100-post abilitycop got a successful result.
That is correct. AE's cop claim (if he hadn't botched it) was supposed to be supported by Guardman's role.
I completely read it the other way around. So if he had claimed that he was an alignment cop I would've pounced on him and revealed my info. Plus technically my info was correct, the best kind of correct.
Interesting that the other game had the town getting whomped.
Also glad to see that Pj was scum & not just a [smurf].
eds –
You should give a minute to Pick Order, please! I wanna run it this year
And I want to apologize to MH. I was never anywhere near as suspicious of you as I sounded. I was just so excited at first to have found a batch of quotes that somewhat fit the situation, that I used them to apply some early pressure, and then I was mildly suspicious of the reactions, but my post-restriction prevented the expression of mild suspicion, so I just let the train go and hoped for the best. Sorry.
And I can't wait to read the other game. My role had to be brutal over there with the player base in general having less experience with Cyan. How many players could even be voted?
Az was obviously great, easily MVP. But everyone in the town played strong. And thanks seppel for the amazing game, this was probably my favorite role ever, despite the frequent complaints.
Any in particular?
And I just finished reading through the spec forum, I'm glad everyone enjoyed my posts. The role was as much fun to play as it was to watch.
I really liked the "I hope a bird poop's on your head" from my counterpart. Even more looking forward to reading that game now.
And now I'm a little upset MH got herself modkilled when she did, I was just getting ready to claim a restriction to test her ability. I wasn't sure it would work, but I thought it was worth a try, and now I know it would have. Oh well, it was probably for the best.
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Thanks, Rian!
The town really played well as a whole - which Seppel covers in his review. I'd give Az the nod for MVP, as well.
LOL @ Guardman misreading his information and it working out for the best, anyhow.
Also awesome that I was scum (as a role). But Town (in the game).
Loved it, Seppel; great job with the setup!
Also, TFF was awesome!
@Manders: I'm very sorry this game was not as enjoyable for you as it could've been. The battle became long and drawn out as a result of my role and needing to post so much. Couple that with you being so active, us being on simultaneously, and it just became tedious- we had nothing to do but shout at each other. No hard feelings, I hope.
Perfect timing for the game to end, as I'm off to Manila in just a few hours! See you all in a couple weeks.
V/LA: 3/21-3/24 & 3/27-3/29
I was HOPING it would give me town points, but nooo. I was a huge scumspect until Tilde, who I had pegged as scum from post 58 in the game, FINALLY got lynched on Day 3.
...then I got Nightkilled.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Az for MVP his two PBPAs on ~r and PJ changed my mind before PJ claimed a role that obviously conflicted with mine and I had to scrounge around for reasons to say it was false. I'm just happy to still be an awesome vig, and I'm sorry I missed like half of Day 1.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
It is I who owes the town an apology. I just flipped out over what seemed like weak cases on me, and I have got to work on that not happening.
I was just so excited to finally play in this game.
Believe me, I'm still pissed at myself for getting modkilled. Not just getting modkilled, but doing so by Seppel. He felt so bad...which made me feel bad...terrible cycle.
But, I suppose a couple good things happened out of this:
1) Town won.
2) Seppel said I can still count this as a game. He doesn't care I was modkilled.
3) Since I had less than 100 posts when I died, I get an achievement!
Yeah, it just wasn't meant to be. But, no, no hard feelings at all. Do you forgive me for being a *****?
Now. All that being said.
Seppel.
What. The. Hell.
Why was I the only one to have:
?
Seriously. I'm dying to know the logic behind this. As it royally screwed me.
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{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Honey, I didn't notice the OP had the town WC. Why would I check for that? I was town.
Hold on, I'll find my reaction to DYH calling me out on it.
Edit: You know, reading it again, there's a lot of posts that are equally important to see my reaction. Just start reading here.
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1. And actually I misinterpreted it, as I thought it implied that my role is in this game (i.e. impossible) because there were no other cops.
2. I was technically correct.
I would also suggest not checking it as scum.
I'd also enjoy hearing the inspiration for the other roles.
I'm disappointed. And he wasn't even really following the post restriction anyway, he was just doing cyan quote walls. If I had known I could use multiple cyan posts in each post, my role never would have been discovered.
Oh, no, honey. I now refuse to claim a WC. It serves no purpose and is too easy to blow up in your face.
I will not claim my win condition ever again. You have all been told (again).
Also, I was reading the game again and saw this. Finally got to watch the video, too.
So, what's that supposed to mean? Which one is me?
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The problem with this is most of my play utilizes voting for pressure and not being a "case creator", so this role (or rather my use of it) completely hamstrung me.
Also, a big EL oh El at all y'all who were pressuring me for sheeping Az.
Random Mafia 2 Town MVP
'08 MTGS Fantasy Football Overall Champion
Best Non-SK Neutral Performance (Individual)
WoD didn't do too bad with your ability.
Speaking of, I just have to say, after I died, I knew iLord had DYH's role because he never posts that much and brought me in as a co-mod because he needed someone who was active to resolve attacks and knew he couldn't do it on his own.
lol
I also knew puddlejumper was scum. I just didn't realize it until after I died. I talked about it in the spec forum. There was one particular post that said it all for me...
Edit: Ah, yes, here it is. He was one of the ones that jumped on the opportunism thing with me, then he says this? Pshah, scum.
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Basically the video meant that we, the town, had absolutely no idea what you were saying. Also I am the only one sexy enough in this game to pull off Picard, so...
Just so you know, I read it this exact way too. But when Tilde, our mafia cop, claimed cop, I started waffling on it, and it was the final nail in my coffin.
So don't feel bad, both people who had the role read it the same way haha.
This is going to be a little disappointing because I lost the original file that had my notes, and instead only had the one with the roles fleshed out. So just imagine I'd say "I don't remember where this role came from," to a lot of these.
Azrael, Cyan, town suicidal vote-donator
Cyan went though an excessive streak of games where he never lived to Day 2. This role is a balanced /ragequit.
Axelrod, Cyan, town jack of all trades
Another simple role -- Cyan's played over 70 games on MTGS, so let's give him every role under the sun.
DYH, Cyan, town 100-post abilitycop
This role came to fruition along the lines of Cyan both posting a lot and remarking that threads get spammed up when rewards are issued for posting a lot.
TheFooFish, Cyan, vanilla townie with a HORRIBLE POSTING RESTRICTION
The posting Hyde to the posting Jekyll. Also an experiment to see if it was possible to play a game of mafia with a limited subset of possible things to say. Ged's favorite role.
Emo_Pinata, Cyan, town unlynchable unkillable miller vigilante
Jobie, Cyan, town stubborn voter
Rianalnn, Kpaca, vanilla townie
Kpaca is never a vanilla townie.
MandersHex, Cyan, town impossible-perma-roleblocker
A meta role. Also a soft counter to the Seppel role.
Guardman, Cyan, town naive cop
~and~
Archmage Eternal, Cyan, mafia godfather cop
Puddlejumper, DYH, mafia untargetable self-watcher
So if you're untargetable how can you see anyone who targets you? This came up at some point, and I don't remember where.
AlphaInsidious, Seppel, mafia ANYTHING
As long as it didn't break the game, I would've allowed it. This was the game where someone could get away with the most bizarre claims, but nobody capitalized on it.
(Technically Tilde did try to use this ability, but "insane french jester" was both nonsense and an alignment change.)
And I wasn't Eco.
Note to self: Your mafia theories are usually wrong, so don't act on them.
I am curious to see the other mafia's nighttalk and see what they came up with. If our mass claim had gone through D2, I'd have used it, but I never saw anything which was a really awesome idea that wasn't obviously scummy.
I also missed my chance at the start of the game to come in spouting nonsense claims. I'm too low-key a player to get away with that sort of thing
Did you have anything in mind for it as you were creating it/the games were in progress?
I think the fact that both games misinterpreted the wording means you should have worded it better
This is not true. We (the mafia) got a couple of good kills off, and were very fortunate that the unkillable-miller-vig accidentally triggered his suicide Day 1 AND we got the JOAT lynched. The town made some bad lynches and then your stubborn voter got too excited and snap lost in LyLo.
Naw, Tilde still claimed that, it just wouldn't have done anything even if it had been legal because I was Seppel.