I thought at the time claiming drinks would be good, but considering scum may just wait until closer to the end to do this so they have a better chance of claiming you may have been right on that one, my bad.
Yes, your bad.
As for flailing, I believe it was TACKY who said sometimes town flails more than scum. I mean I was flailing but just because I thought it was a perfectly normal thing to do when someone is mounting an attack based on flavor gaming. Saying that flailing is a mafia thing is such WIFOM it's not even funny
Quotes for proof on the TACKY part, please.
Again, Town don't flail, they defend themselves. Their is no reason for Town to flail. Bad Town flail. Scum flail.
I thought the two people attacking me were scum because they were using flavor gaming and the flailing that came from flavor gaming to convict me.
It doesn't matter where your flailing came from. The whole point of finding small things such as flavor is to find ways to make those players crack and reveal information, like you did, to catch Scum.
As for the me calling out Moo it was because all my theories had only two mafia members in them therefore Moo is probably the third(not brilliant logic but it was my thought process. Incidentally the way Exlight is playing my guess wasn't far off. Also I'm assuming your comment about moo in parentheses was a joke.
You said everybody else was Town, then say that means Moo must be Scum. Explain that, because what you just posted didn't explain it.
[COLOR=Black]That post you quoted was using shalako's responses against him to show how contradictory he was being I WASNT BARNING HIM YOU ARE TWISTING MY WORDS SO HARD RIGHT NOW IT ISNT EVEN FUNNY EITHER YOU ARE BY FAR THE WORST TOWNIE IN THE WHOLE FREAKING WORLD OR THE GREEDIEST SCUM IN THE WHOLE FREAKING WORLD. I would vote you but you really can't vote a d1 uncced cop.
Yep, I'm "the worst Townie in the whole freaking world".
Again you do it with the translating things.
That isn't a counter-argument.
about TACKY- My theory that he is mafia was to point out that he is experienced enough to be scum and post this well.
So you agreed with him?
So it is a scumtell i my case? Is everything a scumtell in my case?
Most of the stuff you do is a Scum-tell.
Claiming flavored water- I said I would gladly claim it(implied that I was referring to being scum) Of course I wouldnt happily lie like that as town.
Implying and actually saying are two different things. There was no implication that I could see, not even a mention of "If I was Scum". Not very "clear".
Your last point-You were flavor gaming that is what i was referring to
The flavor-gaming was Scum-hunting. Which I just told you in my last post.[/color]
Quotes for proof on TACKY- he just said it, I feel like he said it way back but am not motivated enough to go look, you can probably find it yourself dude.
So I just showed how you twisted my words like a damn pretzel and you respond with "Yep, I'm "the worst Townie in the whole freaking world". Please tell me how you didnt just twist my words. Please.
Also I would appreciate a definition of both flailing and defending.
So I just showed how you twisted my words like a damn pretzel and you respond with "Yep, I'm "the worst Townie in the whole freaking world". Please tell me how you didnt just twist my words. Please.
Well, they were in the exact order that you posted them in, and used in the same context, so why don't you tell me how they're twisted?
Also I would appreciate a definition of both flailing and defending.
Defending: Standing your ground, stating facts, and acting in a calm manner.
Flaliling: Sporadic posting, agressive attitude, early claiming.
Flailing is when someone is acting irrationally and saying and doing absolutely anything that looks like it might get someone else lynched instead of them. Everyone whose mentioned it so far is pretty wrong about it being a scumtell; it’s more of a personality trait and can come from either alignment.
Town.
Tacky.
Tacky.
The Ice King
Naka.
I.B.
Scum.Poggy
Heartwood.
Quite Fish.
Reya.
(all kinda at the same level. Low Pings)
So unless you have a significantly different definition of "always" I think you just straight up lied.
Here is the entire original post in all its glory. You made it out to be me barning shaka when I was trying to show how shaka was contradicting himself.
TBH, I misread/misunderstood what shaka wrote so me showing how he contradicted himself was completely wrong on my part. But naka still twisted the words of this post as hard as humanly possible.
If he's scum it's a 1/3 of hitting their Role Blocker and giving Naka free cop targets till the doc dies.
☺☺☺☺.
Let's do it.unvote vote ExLight
I'm going to /barn TACKY because making a case against ExLight would consist of mostly the same information, and that would be like what happened to Poggy's case, which got us here. So,
It's being rehashed because it's not being paid attention to. People, like you, are passing his Scum plays as inexperience, pressure, and claims without reasons (when those reasons have been provided).
No, wrong. It's being rehashed because you want to rehash it, not because it's a good place to look. Let's do the math.
1. Nothing has changed with Poggy. You have said that he isn't improving but you don't explain how, so this all really clamors back to his early game flailing.
2. You brought it up in the first place and are the one bring it up now. It's not being rehashed by someone who found something new, you aren't providing new information, it's just the same old issue.
Add 1 and 2 and you get 3.
3. I conclude that you are just bulldogging your only target in this game. It would be different if someone else brought this back, or if you had totally new revelations to provide that he's scum, but none of that happened. There's a reason we decided to drop it in the first place: You had poor reasoning to vote him and the only reason YOU aren't the lynch instead is because you claimed cop. You are trying to pick up where you left off, but you need to understand that all you are doing is bulldogging the same player over and over again and it's scummy. Find a new target. You seem motivated and I know there is more than one scum in this game, so scumhunt PLEASE. This isn't scumhunting and it's completely unhelpful to the town.
So, lemme get this straight: You are 100% sure that Poggy is scum?
That's scummy. Nothing is 100% in mafia, which is ironically why we still suspect you too. The only people who can make a legit 100% call is the scum, because obviously they know who is scum and who is not.
Point is that small little quips like this don't do anything for me, it's not convincing me to listen to you. In fact, it's pushing me further away from your case rather than pulling me in. You might be sure of yourself, but that doesn't make you right.
Town don't have a reason to flail. They defend themselves, not flail.
Wrongwrongwrong. People confuse themselves a lot. They think that Flailing is a tell against their role, but in actuality it's a tell to their experience. Whether you are town or scum, if someone comes after you with a 10000 word attack in your first game, you are going to react in a crazy fashion.
Seriously, go read any and every Basic on this site and I guarantee you that someone will flail and they will be town. Scum flail too, but it's pretty even. It might as well be a coin flip whether a flailing person is town or scum. Go look at Shrek Mafia. I totally flailed my ass off when Seppel came after me. Seppel attacked me with what I saw as nonsense and freaked out when he kept the nonsense going.
It's incredibly easy to flail, and there are scum who have made it a tactic to make other townies flail in order to get an easy lynch. I can see how Poggy is flailing as town, mostly because the arguments against him were based on the flavor and not him, which is something he can't defend against without claiming. Then once he did claim, it was turned around on him, further gaming the mod and causing massive frustration. I would have behaved exactly the same if I were in Poggy's shoes. He's town and you've got nothing, so please move on.
He's investigation material. Poggy is either clear Scum or really, really bad Town.
I can recall saying the same thing about you. I'm tired of hearing about you and Poggy's problems, it's not helping.
Also, it's not the town that's ignoring the case, it's just that you are the only one paying attention to it. Well, you and Shalako. Still, I think the dead horse would like to decompose now, and the town has been stalling it's funeral while you do the kicking. I think we are all better off just burying the damn horse.
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He can't claim anything that will protect him. If he's the Doc, we're out of luck, but you already set-up the situation for him, so we can't believe him if he does in fact claim Doc. Any other role he claims wouldn't help, either.
Just curious can a doc protect themselves. And also I would like a claim from exlight.
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Ok I didnt see naka's post. I suppose your right no claim would help. Exlight still has yet to post a protection post though.
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As naka stated a claim couldn't help his case very much. It couln't hurt though. I still want a claim from you exlight.
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I really hope he wasn't pulling the "slayer gambit"
Waiting on Naka, make sure we don't lynch anyone before I finish my conversation with her.
That couldn't be a reference to #29, would it?
Btw, is I strongly support naka's "aggressive" stance on being cop. If not forced to claim, naka would have been able to do reads, and be less likely to by NKed by the mafia.
I also recommend no one gets lynched until we get that replacement in.
Yeah, I really don't like this blind lynch idea. Getting that claim cannot possibly hurt the town -- we can still lynch him after he claims doc, if we're sure he's lying. Getting people on record before lynching them is always a good idea. TBH, if we're gonna lynch someone without respect to their claim, I'd rather lynch Naka. Note: I don't think this is a good idea, just a better idea than blind-lynching exLight.
I want to say no, since that is my natural inclination and the choice that I'd usually pick, but I know that its not the best option and definitely not one that I want to back. I just can't think of a claim that would clear ExLight in my mind.
However, there's also no detriment to the Town if we do hear his claim, so we may as well wait for it.
Dear god! What is going on? On my first read through, I agree with TACKY, please, Naka, Poggy, we understand, you don't like each other. Poggy, Naka isn't getting lynched today, so, I'm sorry. I still think she's possibly scum, but, that is for a later time. Naka, I'm sorry to be the one to break the bad news to you, but, you've been diagnosed with a severe case of tunnel vision. Take a step back, and just look at the whole thing calmly. Even if you think he's %100 scum, who else agrees? I don't see a whole lot.
Next, don't lynch Ex without a claim! Under what circumstance would that ever help? Maybe if everyone else in the game were sheep and just kind of followed basic Mafia protocol of "If they claim [Insert Important Power Role Here] don't lynch."
If Ex isn't the Doctor, I say this to the real Doctor: Don't Claim. Bolded for fun points. The cop has already possibly outed themselves, to lose both of the most important roles on Day 1 would be TERRIBLE. I don't think I need to say that.
Okay, I think that's all the really important stuff . . . I'll probably post this and then post my reads next, just so this gets seen. Yeah, I'll do that . . .
Leaning Scum
ExLight - No reason for votes, Overly Aggressive
Neutral
Naka - I found her play to be scummy before her claim. But due to Cop claim, she gets to get out of jail . . . for now. Also, seems to have contracted tunnel vision.
Leaning Town
Tacky - Nice, well thought out posts. Seems to want the town's best interest. IGMEOY entirely based on his skill and ability to deceive.
Quietfish - His TIK theory was well thought out, but is a bit thin. I think it could be a possibility, as it would work well as a scum stratagem, I think.
Everyone else, no read or I forgot about you.
Also, I forgot this in my last post. Poggy turning scum does not clear Naka, and vice versa. Their fighting has no effect, I believe. It seems like a good scum tactic to fight with your scummy friends, since that would then "clear" the other. But, I've never been scum, so that's just an assumption.
monster energy is made by budwiser, it is considered liquor in many third world countries
Never mind, he got it. That doesn't sound like a great defense . . . And don't you live in the U.S. of A.? Last I checked we weren't a third world country . . . Or are we in the Fallout universe?
Never mind, he got it. That doesn't sound like a great defense . . . And don't you live in the U.S. of A.? Last I checked we weren't a third world country . . . Or are we in the Fallout universe?
Read the wikipedia page, i dont know if im allowed to link it or not
Never mind, he got it. That doesn't sound like a great defense . . . And don't you live in the U.S. of A.? Last I checked we weren't a third world country . . . Or are we in the Fallout universe?
no i still live in america.
it just monster is considered liquor in countries like hati and such, just like red bull is illegal in africa, for being "liquid cocaine"
FTR my read of the wikipedia page and a google search of monster energy liquor yielded no results. It is not made by budweiser there is just a licensing agreement in place
monster energy is made by budwiser, it is considered liquor in many third world countries
Citation, please. I did some brief research, from what I saw, Monster Energy is distributed by Anheuser-Busch in the USA only. Making your third-world argument pretty invalid. Nowhere could I find a reference calling Monster Energy "Liquour."
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If he was scum he could claim Doc forcing.
A. The doc to counter claim him and die in the night.
B. he is the doc and he dies.
Gonna reread the other stuff that just popped up, I've been reading Walls of Txt a lot today.:mad:
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Yes, your bad.
Quotes for proof on the TACKY part, please.
Again, Town don't flail, they defend themselves. Their is no reason for Town to flail. Bad Town flail. Scum flail.
It doesn't matter where your flailing came from. The whole point of finding small things such as flavor is to find ways to make those players crack and reveal information, like you did, to catch Scum.
You said everybody else was Town, then say that means Moo must be Scum. Explain that, because what you just posted didn't explain it.
Yep, I'm "the worst Townie in the whole freaking world".
That isn't a counter-argument.
So you agreed with him?
Most of the stuff you do is a Scum-tell.
Implying and actually saying are two different things. There was no implication that I could see, not even a mention of "If I was Scum". Not very "clear".
The flavor-gaming was Scum-hunting. Which I just told you in my last post.[/color]
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
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Yeah, and that's why you haven't been voted for recently, right?
Comeback to what? That wasn't a comeback at all.
Nope, they're very, very different.
"Nice comeback." -Quote, Poggydude.
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I'm thinking of forcing his hand and calling his gambit...
But the Negatives are soo bad.
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Well, you were just smart enough to tell him what to claim, so it's useless now.
I'll investigate him tonight.
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I need to stop thinking out loud.
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So I just showed how you twisted my words like a damn pretzel and you respond with "Yep, I'm "the worst Townie in the whole freaking world". Please tell me how you didnt just twist my words. Please.
Also I would appreciate a definition of both flailing and defending.
Well, they were in the exact order that you posted them in, and used in the same context, so why don't you tell me how they're twisted?
Defending: Standing your ground, stating facts, and acting in a calm manner.
Flaliling: Sporadic posting, agressive attitude, early claiming.
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*argh*
I'll be back with a reread and a vote.
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Here is the entire original post in all its glory. You made it out to be me barning shaka when I was trying to show how shaka was contradicting himself.
TBH, I misread/misunderstood what shaka wrote so me showing how he contradicted himself was completely wrong on my part. But naka still twisted the words of this post as hard as humanly possible.
Will have to decide between Reya, ExLight, and Bebo for my vote. You're in no way off the hook, Poggy, as I plan to investigate you tonight.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
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Exlight's play is always scummy.
If he was scum he would take advantage of that.
If he's scum it's a 1/3 of hitting their Role Blocker and giving Naka free cop targets till the doc dies.
☺☺☺☺.
Let's do it.unvote vote ExLight
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I'm going to /barn TACKY because making a case against ExLight would consist of mostly the same information, and that would be like what happened to Poggy's case, which got us here. So,
Unvote, Vote: ExLight.
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No, wrong. It's being rehashed because you want to rehash it, not because it's a good place to look. Let's do the math.
1. Nothing has changed with Poggy. You have said that he isn't improving but you don't explain how, so this all really clamors back to his early game flailing.
2. You brought it up in the first place and are the one bring it up now. It's not being rehashed by someone who found something new, you aren't providing new information, it's just the same old issue.
Add 1 and 2 and you get 3.
3. I conclude that you are just bulldogging your only target in this game. It would be different if someone else brought this back, or if you had totally new revelations to provide that he's scum, but none of that happened. There's a reason we decided to drop it in the first place: You had poor reasoning to vote him and the only reason YOU aren't the lynch instead is because you claimed cop. You are trying to pick up where you left off, but you need to understand that all you are doing is bulldogging the same player over and over again and it's scummy. Find a new target. You seem motivated and I know there is more than one scum in this game, so scumhunt PLEASE. This isn't scumhunting and it's completely unhelpful to the town.
So, lemme get this straight: You are 100% sure that Poggy is scum?
That's scummy. Nothing is 100% in mafia, which is ironically why we still suspect you too. The only people who can make a legit 100% call is the scum, because obviously they know who is scum and who is not.
Point is that small little quips like this don't do anything for me, it's not convincing me to listen to you. In fact, it's pushing me further away from your case rather than pulling me in. You might be sure of yourself, but that doesn't make you right.
Wrongwrongwrong. People confuse themselves a lot. They think that Flailing is a tell against their role, but in actuality it's a tell to their experience. Whether you are town or scum, if someone comes after you with a 10000 word attack in your first game, you are going to react in a crazy fashion.
Seriously, go read any and every Basic on this site and I guarantee you that someone will flail and they will be town. Scum flail too, but it's pretty even. It might as well be a coin flip whether a flailing person is town or scum. Go look at Shrek Mafia. I totally flailed my ass off when Seppel came after me. Seppel attacked me with what I saw as nonsense and freaked out when he kept the nonsense going.
It's incredibly easy to flail, and there are scum who have made it a tactic to make other townies flail in order to get an easy lynch. I can see how Poggy is flailing as town, mostly because the arguments against him were based on the flavor and not him, which is something he can't defend against without claiming. Then once he did claim, it was turned around on him, further gaming the mod and causing massive frustration. I would have behaved exactly the same if I were in Poggy's shoes. He's town and you've got nothing, so please move on.
I can recall saying the same thing about you. I'm tired of hearing about you and Poggy's problems, it's not helping.
Also, it's not the town that's ignoring the case, it's just that you are the only one paying attention to it. Well, you and Shalako. Still, I think the dead horse would like to decompose now, and the town has been stalling it's funeral while you do the kicking. I think we are all better off just burying the damn horse.
Unless you think we should blind lynch him?
BLOOD THIRST
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I believe this is the updated count on Exlight(although last time I was wrong so please check my math now before something dumb happens)
Also since he's at L-2 don't put any more votes on him until he defends/claims.
So I didnt say my piece fast enough, @naka- i thought you'd know better w/e.
Also thanks for being smart shalako
Blind lynch.
He can't claim anything that will protect him. If he's the Doc, we're out of luck, but you already set-up the situation for him, so we can't believe him if he does in fact claim Doc. Any other role he claims wouldn't help, either.
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If you are pretty sure you followed the bread crums correctly shalako, I really wish you didn't force exlights hand.....
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Explain to me what claim from him could help.
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BUT he was sooo scummy.
I really hope he wasn't pulling the "slayer gambit"
Waiting on Naka, make sure we don't lynch anyone before I finish my conversation with her.
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That couldn't be a reference to #29, would it?
Btw, is I strongly support naka's "aggressive" stance on being cop. If not forced to claim, naka would have been able to do reads, and be less likely to by NKed by the mafia.
I also recommend no one gets lynched until we get that replacement in.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
I just need to wait on her first.
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I want to say no, since that is my natural inclination and the choice that I'd usually pick, but I know that its not the best option and definitely not one that I want to back. I just can't think of a claim that would clear ExLight in my mind.
However, there's also no detriment to the Town if we do hear his claim, so we may as well wait for it.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
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Meant to say that I'd usually pick yes, currently want to pick no, but won't because I know that it's not the best choice.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
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Next, don't lynch Ex without a claim! Under what circumstance would that ever help? Maybe if everyone else in the game were sheep and just kind of followed basic Mafia protocol of "If they claim [Insert Important Power Role Here] don't lynch."
If Ex isn't the Doctor, I say this to the real Doctor: Don't Claim. Bolded for fun points. The cop has already possibly outed themselves, to lose both of the most important roles on Day 1 would be TERRIBLE. I don't think I need to say that.
Okay, I think that's all the really important stuff . . . I'll probably post this and then post my reads next, just so this gets seen. Yeah, I'll do that . . .
Leaning Scum
ExLight - No reason for votes, Overly Aggressive
Neutral
Naka - I found her play to be scummy before her claim. But due to Cop claim, she gets to get out of jail . . . for now. Also, seems to have contracted tunnel vision.
Leaning Town
Tacky - Nice, well thought out posts. Seems to want the town's best interest. IGMEOY entirely based on his skill and ability to deceive.
Quietfish - His TIK theory was well thought out, but is a bit thin. I think it could be a possibility, as it would work well as a scum stratagem, I think.
Everyone else, no read or I forgot about you.
Also, I forgot this in my last post. Poggy turning scum does not clear Naka, and vice versa. Their fighting has no effect, I believe. It seems like a good scum tactic to fight with your scummy friends, since that would then "clear" the other. But, I've never been scum, so that's just an assumption.
Scum:
-ExLight
-Poggydude
-Reya/Bebo/TACKY
Neutral:
-Draco's Replacement
-Quietfish
-Shalako
Town:
-Heartwork
-The_Ice_King
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
town one shot vigilante
You are, quite literally, a monster. But you are the American style can; once opened, it is drink or lose. Thus you are limited to one shot.
Could not possibly agree with this sentiment more
Who wants to hammer? Or did monster suddenly start putting liqour in their drinks?
Never mind, he got it. That doesn't sound like a great defense . . . And don't you live in the U.S. of A.? Last I checked we weren't a third world country . . . Or are we in the Fallout universe?
Read the wikipedia page, i dont know if im allowed to link it or not
no i still live in america.
it just monster is considered liquor in countries like hati and such, just like red bull is illegal in africa, for being "liquid cocaine"
what a waste of post 1000
Citation, please. I did some brief research, from what I saw, Monster Energy is distributed by Anheuser-Busch in the USA only. Making your third-world argument pretty invalid. Nowhere could I find a reference calling Monster Energy "Liquour."