It seems to have been a mistake . . . Okay, well, no counter-claim here, and I'm going to bed. I'd kind of like him to be alive when I return, but, I have no control. I think he should at least live long enough for everyone to get a good look at him and decide. If we manage to lose two Power Roles Day 1, wouldn't that make us, like, the worst town EVER, or something?
at least we got rber
Exlight has been very aggresive to both poggy and naka.
He starts off seeing tacky as town agreeing with the rest of us, even when Tacky does his incredible post against exlight, ex just says that tacky is stil time even though the cases against him by tacky is null. However after he claims vig, he says tacky would've been his target. Gotta wonder why this sudden change of heart. I don't think he even said why he suddenly gets a different view on tacky all of a sudden.
Another point when rereading: Poggy has done an amazing job of pinpointing exlight as scum. Perhaps this is why they off'ed him? And something interesting: Shalako says he needed to post something (cc) during exlight's trial of false pr. Maybe he was trying to distract people off the exlight wagon and onto the naka one? And also, i think tacky was onto something then. He said something about how the whole exlight wagon suddenly dissolved onto a poggy wagon.
@TiK: That he'd die tonight? Pretty sure someone did the same thing in the last game I was in, but, it seems too obvious for the scum to miss. I apologize, terrible logic. Just a note, if I were scum, I wouldn't of said anything, since I could've just said it to only my scum buddies.
@Shalako: Yes, I fence sit, I'm very cautious so as to mislynch as little as possible. I don't think I've lurked in plain sight . . . If you feel I have, can I see evidence? Finally, how does that doom you to a mislynch?
Sometimes i come on this thread and see like 6 guests and I wonder how many of you actually lurk. Although bebo you do lurk quite abit from what ive seen.
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@TiK: That he'd die tonight? Pretty sure someone did the same thing in the last game I was in, but, it seems too obvious for the scum to miss. I apologize, terrible logic. Just a note, if I were scum, I wouldn't of said anything, since I could've just said it to only my scum buddies.
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It's because I can't view the thread all day due to school, then when I get my chance to read it, it takes a while do to lots of stuff. When there's tons and tons of stuff, I try to post before I read to let you all know what I'm doing.
'ELLO! Sorry I haven't been in, baby sister was born Thrusday, and I didn't have access to my laptop for a few days. I'll be sure to read up. Are we still in random?
Well, drat, that's two RVS you've stolen from me Shalako! And I guess one that you have Naka.
Anyways, reply to questions . . . Well, from a not serious perspective, I think I'm delicious. But, from a serious one, I ask this: Isn't it typically bad to ask for a claim this early?
Second, I'd like for the town to win, personally.
@Draco: I find your little discovery in his post humorous, Naka. But, I'm not sure. One post, albeit a very suspicious post, does not a case make.
@Poggy: I think it was a misinterpretation of your question, personally. I don't think any scum would be dumb enough to give themselves away like that. (Looks pointedly at Shalako. ;))
Oh, and I was in Basic 29, and that's all. Here's to a good second game!
Okay, wow. I was gone a few hours (Okay, probably more than a few now,) and it seems the world blew up. Has everyone in this game even checked in? Definitely do not lynch him until everyone gets a chance to see.
[QUOTE]@Flailing: I can attest to Town Flailures from my one game. It's quite normal to get defensive when you know you're not scum and someone says you are and people begin to agree. Especially if you're new and aren't sure what to do. I know he's not exactly "new," but the point still counts. I'm not saying he's not scum, I'm saying that it's possible for town to flail, even if they shouldn't.
Commenting on the subject at hand while not taking a stance.
A note to Poggy: Don't try and keep yourself alive. Try and win. I understand your logic, it got me mislynched last game I was in, and it works to a degree. But defending yourself is not the way to go about it, unless they're really, really WIFOMing. Find someone else you think is scummy, and begin your own crusade.
Now, my take on his claim: Water is quite tasteless, but claiming tasteless when he knew you'd shoot him down does seem painfully honest. But, it's also what a good scum would do, so . . . Hmm . . . I'm still on the fence, mostly because I understand how one can be a flailing town. I'll continue to observe . . .
I'm not sure how a softclaim like this would work, since the only game I've been in was Magic based. But, couldn't alcoholic be a bit mixed, since there may be alcoholic versions of your drink?
Plastic/Glass/Both should include Canned in there. I know mainly sodas are canned, but, other things can be. Yes, their barning of each other was odd . . . Hmm . . . I've never played with Naka before, so I can't attest to whether he is being too aggressive or not.
First, Mr. Tacky, I'd like to say I find your avatar quite humorous. Second, you seem like the helpful player who's experienced, well, at least one of them, so I decree you are.
Now on to business. Your argument on a softclaim makes sense, and I really can't figure out how it could help anyone this early in the game. Later makes sense. I was wondering that last game, but I still wasn't too sure. On the note of Poggy, I do think he's flailing, but I do not think he's scum, but I don't necessarily think he's town. I myself suffered from an acute case of Townflailiness last game, which got me mislynched, so I know how pressure being put on you can result in that. Especially if Quietfish (I think it was he,) is right and he doesn't work well under pressure. I'm still watching him though, as flailing in general should be observed.
Not taking a stance.
]Yeah, Naka and Shalako are seeming a bit odd . . . Just feels wrong, so aggressive this early . . . I'd also like to say that last game I was in, Shalako was scum, and he was much less aggressive. Don't give him a "Get out of Jail free" card just yet, but, I noticed it . . .
Shalako, you already know I'm a fencesitter. But, on the note of scummy-ness, I'm still wary of you and Naka. I don't think Poggy is confirmed scum, and everyone else I have yet to get a real read on or forgot they were in the game right now . . . OH! Reya, yeah, the draco/joke mistake seemed quite noobish.
1. Plays Meta defense.
2. As you can see above he has in fact NOT taken a stance on anyone but Tacky.
Just saw I.B.'s post on backing 'em up, so I will.
You are being extremely aggressive, to not wonderful results. I'm basing this off our last game, which you were scum in, so it actually could confirm you town.
Naka, same, only I have nothing to compare too. Just aggressive this early seems odd . . .
Poggy, told why already.
Reya, just seems nooby. (Yeah, yeah, it's not really a justification.)
Uhm, I guess this qualifies as WIFOM, but more like Nit Picky WIFOM. Attacking the guy who can't defend himself because no one else seems scummy just seems, well, useless. I mean, attacking someone for pressure is good, but when they're not here, it's like chucking something at the head of the person you hate who isn't in the room, it's just kind of moot. So, I believe this is one of the times where the response should be "I'm not sure about everyone else," but you can do whatever you want. Just wanted to point this out for the benefit of everyone who didn't know, and for those who might get some read off of it and have missed it otherwise.
ExLight was the third scum.
Bebo is attempting to deflect poggy away from him here.
I said it because my reads so far are giving me two mafia:shalako and nakamura, everyone else seems town so logic says that mootastic is likely mafia. I was stating it not to get results but just because I honestly think it's true.
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[QUOTE=22bebo;/comments/10707724]Oh, well, what's sad is I remember confirming that logic to myself, apparently forgot for a post, then recall it again. Yes, if you are 100% certain everyone else is town, that makes sense.
Good work there, IB, I was going to ask for one myself.
I think Tacky makes some good points, and I'm quite interested in hearing what Naka has to say about the Draco post thing . . .
I'd also like to ask, since I'm quite lazy, how many games have you been in Poggy?
Finally, three Clan Bolas people in one game! Sweet! Although that could be bad, since that's the same number of scum, and we're not exactly "good guys" . . . (So I don't get yelled at, though I'm sure I will, this is a joke.)
I would agree with Poggy that it seems capable for Tacky to do such a dastardly deed, but I do believe he is town. He is at least leaning town in my book, but I keep my eye on any player that's experienced.
@Shalako: Sorry for the obvious lurking. I left my laptop and was on the page.
Shalako, you should at least have learned I'm a super fence sitter. But, the main reason I haven't taken a big stance so far is that I'm waiting for Naka's full response. I say that Tacky had good points, but I can also see the possibility of tunnel vision developing.
@Ex: Do I need to demote you? Or is extirpation via outside influences frowned upon? But so you know, Shalako and Naka here threw the random stage into the electric chair that was connected via several metal poles into an electric fence. They then put the burned remains in the T-Rex area of Jurassic Park, and then they dug it out of the poop and shot it into space. Suffice to say, it is thoroughly dead.
1. Plays Meta defense a second time.
2. Riding that fence on Tacky.
Reya has come across as very noobish to me, and I would say is more or less utterly confused by your higher level of play.
Poggy, I believe, flailed for a bit, but he did calm down significantly and was doing the best he could to respond to your persistent assault. He seems to not be the best when under pressure, no offense Poggy.
Uhm, haven't you been pretty aggressive thus far? I mean, you've been fairly polite, but you qualify for the greater half, in my opinion, of the equation.
Nice. Okay, well, I've got to go for a bit, but I might get back for a little bit shortly. If not, I'll be back in an hour or two. Don't lynch anyone while I'm away!
In 29, the vig be a one shot that never got off, due to a Roleblocking AE. I'm sure Shalako can tell you more.
Anyways, you don't have to unvote now, since she's not at death level. But, a full claim might be useful, Naka. I'll have to investigate your drink more before I fully determine that. I'm glad my first game was Magic based, I understood everything then . . .
How does her thinking Poggy is scum matter? If she's a cop, Poggy wouldn't have known when he first voted her, thus, how does this prove he's Scum? WIFOM, my good sir, WIFOM.
@Naka: I meant that I thought you were a Vigilante, which is what I thought Poggy thought you were. (obviously right there, but we were both wrong if you're actually the cop.)
Totally. I couldn't remember the names of a lot of the moves, but I would've given you the Pressure ability if I could've remembered what it said when a pokemon was under pressure. So, where's Shalako fit into all this?
Sorry, rereading. Lot's o' stuff . . . Anyways, I concur with Poggy on not taking Reya's noobiness as a sign scum. I think you all know this, but, I've been there, and it sucks.
And, though Poggy got it, I would've been lurking, which is being on for a period of time without posting. Especially if you then disappear without posting. But, for the record I do fence sit a lot.
Gah! So much stuff! I'm trying to reread, but life does come first. So, I'll be back in a bit, and hopefully post something with content then. *Sigh* So much . . . Stuff . . .
Dear god! What is going on? On my first read through, I agree with TACKY, please, Naka, Poggy, we understand, you don't like each other. Poggy, Naka isn't getting lynched today, so, I'm sorry. I still think she's possibly scum, but, that is for a later time. Naka, I'm sorry to be the one to break the bad news to you, but, you've been diagnosed with a severe case of tunnel vision. Take a step back, and just look at the whole thing calmly. Even if you think he's %100 scum, who else agrees? I don't see a whole lot.
Major attempt to get Townie points here.
He knows they were both two towns fighting.
Next, don't lynch Ex without a claim! Under what circumstance would that ever help? Maybe if everyone else in the game were sheep and just kind of followed basic Mafia protocol of "If they claim [Insert Important Power Role Here] don't lynch."
True.
If Ex isn't the Doctor, I say this to the real Doctor: Don't Claim. Bolded for fun points. The cop has already possibly outed themselves, to lose both of the most important roles on Day 1 would be TERRIBLE. I don't think I need to say that.
ExLight would have spent the rest of the game not being lynched or vigged by being Counter Claimed if this had happened.
Leaning Scum
ExLight - No reason for votes, Overly Aggressive
Neutral
Naka - I found her play to be scummy before her claim. But due to Cop claim, she gets to get out of jail . . . for now. Also, seems to have contracted tunnel vision.
Leaning Town
Tacky - Nice, well thought out posts. Seems to want the town's best interest. IGMEOY entirely based on his skill and ability to deceive.
Quietfish - His TIK theory was well thought out, but is a bit thin. I think it could be a possibility, as it would work well as a scum stratagem, I think.
Everyone else, no read or I forgot about you.
Also, I forgot this in my last post. Poggy turning scum does not clear Naka, and vice versa. Their fighting has no effect, I believe. It seems like a good scum tactic to fight with your scummy friends, since that would then "clear" the other. But, I've never been scum, so that's just an assumption.
Never mind, he got it. That doesn't sound like a great defense . . . And don't you live in the U.S. of A.? Last I checked we weren't a third world country . . . Or are we in the Fallout universe?
can you not read? unless by the grace of god, i am obviously the lynch for today based on everybody's reactions. i gave my claim and my defense. i apologize for not being the doctor.
Yeah, uhm, I've never heard of a double-vote, well, not on here. I'm sure it exists, but can it be explained quickly for me? I assume it's a cop thing. I have to say, even though she claimed Cop, Naka still seems kind of scummy . . .
It seems to have been a mistake . . . Okay, well, no counter-claim here, and I'm going to bed. I'd kind of like him to be alive when I return, but, I have no control. I think he should at least live long enough for everyone to get a good look at him and decide. If we manage to lose two Power Roles Day 1, wouldn't that make us, like, the worst town EVER, or something?
Okay, I've got a good twelve pages or so to catch up on, so I won't post for a bit now. Probably not tonight. But, since the name is the same, I'm assuming we haven't lynched yet? So much to catch up on . . .
Wow, that sucks, but I guess there's an upside. Doctor for Roleblocker, not a good trade, by any means, but, better than doctor for nothing. This has been an odd first day, to say the least . . .
To address the fact that I missed the entirety of the lynch scene. I finished reading just after SomeOne declared. I probably would've voted Naka if I had been able to earlier, but obviously I would've been wrong. Real life got in the way of Mafia life, how sad. But that would be why, here's to a better day for the town.
Next, I don't think the vig should claim if they're multi shot, and possibly not if they're single. If they're multi, we can get the same effect by telling them who we think they should get, and they can argue for whoever without having to give it away. If they aren't, then if they claim, we've got another confirmed town, but, besides a bit of a scare tonight, I don't know how it would benefit the town for the single-shot vig to not claim. Also, without a doc, a multi-shot vig will be a sure kill tonight if they claim. I'd rather have a slightly harder to direct vig that can last for a while than a vig that gets one shot that we have more control over.
And yes, TACKY, saying that you putting effort into your reasoning makes it not fishing is WIFOM. You're skilled, and if I were a scum, and a skilled one at that, I'd do exactly what you're doing, although preferably without the WIFOM.
Wanted to point this out last post, but forgot. If we really did have a tracker and a cop, two investigative roles, wouldn't it make sense for the scum to get a role that evades being caught by investigation? Essentially, anyone of the "Lying" roles seems like a fair candidate if we are to believe we have such a loaded town thing. It could also be that Someone is a scum and wanted to make a situation where all town power roles would out themselves day one in a massive counter claim and vig/lynch scene while the scum all laughed maniacally in their evil lair.
I vaguely remember Manders saying something about that . . . It does seem like a longshot, since they could just not Roleblock and then have on of them say they were. Although, it really doesn't matter how they handle it, but I don't think they do it too often. Roleblock is powerful, you want to put it to good use.
@TIK: Okay, so long as you're one-shot, I think you've done fine. I don't think we should lynch Shalako today. We've got, at this point, one power role, who is revealed, it seems. It seems likely he'd die tonight no matter what, and if he doesn't, I would seriously consider lynching him . . . Although crafty scum would try and bank on that fact, so maybe not . . .
New issue, under the assumption TIK is lying, should the real Vig claim or not? If you're one-shot, go ahead I say. If not, I'd probably remain hidden.
Sets me up to be the next lynch if I make it through the Night.
I stand by my suspision of shalako. I see people dont seem to be getting me. I have a question shalako who did you target and what did u get? Or is that not a question that supposed to be asked.
He says he was roleblocked, so he got squat. But, I believe target is a fine question, although I think he may have already said that too . . . I'll go check.
I guess so. But it also, theoretically, gives a higher chance of hitting town. I'd still like to hear what IB says, in case it was something else, but you're probably right Reya.
Well, that's a bit odd, but, you have come across as town to me, so I'll trust you for now.[/QUOTE]
This is the first time in the whole thread he has said so.
[QUOTE=dracofaust;/comments/10708527]@tik: why would they have a cop or tracker?
I thought night results were given at the end of night, so they couldn't have known that poggy was doc.
Bebo dose seem to be a little scummy. Shalako has some points there. but i think his fence sitting is for the most part. Just being careful.
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This is important, but I'm not yet sure if it means shalako is scum, or heartwork is.
I'm not sure what you're getting at, here. It does make Shalako look terrible that Exlight flipped scum; I think we've all accepted that. At this point, though, I'm willing to believe it was simply bad judgement on Shalako's part, rather than an active attempt to lead us into a mis-lynch.
That PBPA on ibug is kind of inconclusive, imo. Fence sitting isn't necessarily a scumtell. I've been fence sitting a lot this game, simply because I don't really have a strong scum read on anyone.
Thank you Heartwork. I fence sit because I'm trying to be careful. I considered being aggressive this game to see how it worked, but I decided to get a better feel for cautious and steady play before I switched. Okay, I'll reply more in depth, but I have to go eat dinner. Be back soon.
I'm not sure what you're getting at, here. It does make Shalako look terrible that Exlight flipped scum; I think we've all accepted that. At this point, though, I'm willing to believe it was simply bad judgement on Shalako's part, rather than an active attempt to lead us into a mis-lynch.
The point is that you said that I would look bad if ExLight flipped scum.
If you were scum and knew that ExLight was scum you would say that to tie Me to ExLight and try and get me lynched.
At that point you didn`t know I was a PR and would likely be able to force a lynch on me the next day.
That PBPA on ibug is kind of inconclusive, imo. Fence sitting isn't necessarily a scumtell. I've been fence sitting a lot this game, simply because I don't really have a strong scum read on anyone.
Bebo is attempting to deflect poggy away from him here.
No, I was merely saying that it seemed useless to attack a defenseless player, since it can do nothing but get people to jump on the wagon that has no argument, and is therefore scummy seeming. How come every other time I do something like I did with the "You can do whatever you want" part it is fence sitting, but this time it's overlooked?
How does Naka thinking Poggy was scum do anything? Naka wasn't able to investigate anyone, so she had no intel on the subject. If Poggy had attacked her first, then your argument would make much more sense. But he didn't, Naka attacked first, and Poggy was just defending himself. Naka looked pretty scummy, you said so yourself. So I just don't understand your argument here.
Uh, no. Both Poggy and Naka were kind of obsessed with the other's lynch, convinced they were scum. Poggy seemed a bit more open than Naka, but, I'd say both had tunnel vision on the other. I was trying to prevent a mislynch and to move the game along, as, at the time, it seemed like neither of them would be lynched.
Sets me up to be the next lynch if I make it through the Night.
AND fence sits!
Pretty sure that someone else would've brought it up if I didn't. And I was presenting both sides of the argument as I saw them, and trying to see if that was a viable strategy for scum. I have yet to be scum, but I'm trying to learn.
Because it narrows it down to two options. Fifty-fifty chance. Although, I guess technically when you don't counter-claim, you can hit everyone that's left in the town . . . Faulty logic on my part, my bad.
This is the first time in the whole thread he has said so.
I have to have stated it before for it to be true?
@Meta defense: I apologize, but I do. I'm not even trying to use it as defense, I'm stating the fact that I fence sit a lot.
@Barning Tacky: I thought he made good points, and I would put him down as town, but I'm keeping my eye on him, since he's experienced, thus he ends up in the "Possible leaning town" section. And I don't like a confirmed town part, since, to quote Obi-Wan, only Sith deal in absolutes. (By Sith, I mean Scum.)
Major attempt to get Townie points here.
He knows they were both two towns fighting.
I don't see how this makes him scum. If he's town he might still make this exact post.
If he is scum he would have just as well tried to side on one of the wagons to try and pull a lynch off quickly.
Herp derp. It's also a problem for people who put a reasonable amount of thought into things before quick-lynching randos because someone has a phony read on them.
If you were scum and said that you know exlight wasn't scum, that would look scummy as to trying to protect your teammate.
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I have an idea: Let's massclaim. I'm dead serious here.
Also, I don't like the Bebo case. It's mostly about fencesitting, which is a null tell in basics due to new players. Newer players fencesit on everything, and it's usually because they are paranoid. The don't know who to trust so when they are called to read players, they always leave a little bit of doubt just in case. Like "I really think TIK is town, but his friendliness could be a ploy! Don't be too sure!". That's really what I've been reading from Bebo all game, in regards to me at least. I know Bebo is leaning town on me, but he (she? Sorry lol) accounts for my experience and knows better than to trust too quickly. The case is really built on Fencesitting, and it's a poor foundation. Fencesitting isn't even a huge scumtell, just a minor one to start discussion.
Anyway, my suspects: Heartwork, Shalako.
I'll explain after we handle this massclaim issue. Gogogo discuss!
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If you were scum and said that you know exlight wasn't scum, that would look scummy as to trying to protect your teammate.
...and apparently I look scummy when I say he is scum, so either way, by your logic, I'm scummy. So is any other player who indicates someone may or may not be scum. Sweet logic bro.
Scum already know the PRs if you and shalako are telling the truth in which if you both are not telling the truth than it would help you. If just one of you is telling the truth than scum dosent really get helped. Depending on the claim it is very possible to tell a made up claim from a real one from what ive seen. Also If shalako is telling the truth than hes the only non-vanilla town right?
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...and apparently I look scummy when I say he is scum, so either way, by your logic, I'm scummy. So is any other player who indicates someone may or may not be scum. Sweet logic bro.
Saying you KNOW something in mafia looks scummy unless your a confirmed cop, watcher, ect. If you show some p and say proof you suspect someone to be scummy it dosent look nearly as scummy because your showing that you have found something against a player. I might not be wording this very well but my logic works BRO
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I have an idea: Let's massclaim. I'm dead serious here.
Also, I don't like the Bebo case. It's mostly about fencesitting, which is a null tell in basics due to new players. Newer players fencesit on everything, and it's usually because they are paranoid. The don't know who to trust so when they are called to read players, they always leave a little bit of doubt just in case. Like "I really think TIK is town, but his friendliness could be a ploy! Don't be too sure!". That's really what I've been reading from Bebo all game, in regards to me at least. I know Bebo is leaning town on me, but he (she? Sorry lol) accounts for my experience and knows better than to trust too quickly. The case is really built on Fencesitting, and it's a poor foundation. Fencesitting isn't even a huge scumtell, just a minor one to start discussion.
Anyway, my suspects: Heartwork, Shalako.
I'll explain after we handle this massclaim issue. Gogogo discuss!
I be a "He," my friend.
On the mass claim, well, I'd say you need to elaborate more before you get a great response.
Barning tik and bebo on why you think massclaim might be beneficial to us.
As for heartwork and shalako, I'm pretty sure one of them is scum.
After rereading ex's post I found that during day 1 Shalako was trying to prevent ex from getting lynched. So right now I'm finding shalako more scummy then heartwork and bebo, especially since his case on bebo seems to be just based on fencesitting. However he did claim a PR, and right now he might be the only Pr left to us, since tik used his vig shot. So I'm not sure if he's the right lynch for today.
Saying you KNOW something in mafia looks scummy unless your a confirmed cop, watcher, ect. If you show some p and say proof you suspect someone to be scummy it dosent look nearly as scummy because your showing that you have found something against a player. I might not be wording this very well but my logic works BRO
Your point is moot, then, because I never claimed to know anyone was anything. I said Shalako is going to look bad if ExLight flips scum.
Barning tik and bebo on why you think massclaim might be beneficial to us.
As for heartwork and shalako, I'm pretty sure one of them is scum.
After rereading ex's post I found that during day 1 Shalako was trying to prevent ex from getting lynched. So right now I'm finding shalako more scummy then heartwork and bebo, especially since his case on bebo seems to be just based on fencesitting. However he did claim a PR, and right now he might be the only Pr left to us, since tik used his vig shot. So I'm not sure if he's the right lynch for today.
Shalako has claimed PR, and no one has counterclaimed. Is it possible that the PR he's claiming simply doesn't exist in this game, thus he can lie about it and not get counterclaimed?
Shalako has claimed PR, and no one has counterclaimed. Is it possible that the PR he's claiming simply doesn't exist in this game, thus he can lie about it and not get counterclaimed?
Quite, I believe. Which is our dilemma with lynching him. I still think we should let him live today . . . Although, if he's scum, he could just "watch" his scumbuddy and have them claim to have been watched . . .
I'm VERY SURE that you guys will not like it when he claims. I don't want to say anymore about it but I think you guys missed the crumbs...
Tries to protect exlight by saying this is how he usually plays. Btw, did we ever find out what the breadcrumbs were?
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okay.
No lynches Till I do my post in the morning PLEASE
Again tries to stop wagon on exlight. Does this by cc'ing naka. This is how naka got lynched.
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Im waiting on cc.
If ExLight gets counter claimed No.
if he doesnt Yes.
Knows if exlight gets cc'ed then theres no point of ccing naka as ex will probably die anyway.
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From the end of Basic 30, why would a claimed power role be lamenting about never having been given a power role?
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I always talk about games as if I were V.T.
feels to me like a post to defend exlight.
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...I wish I had a day kill right now.
So do we lynch Reya and see what goes on with me and naka and exlight?
willing to lynch reya to save rber.
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Shalako: I'm really mad at you right now.
Now this game is stalled until we figure out if you were kidding with your daykill or not. Awesome. Guess we wait for the mod.
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it also stalled over poggys obsession with cop roles. but you didnt complain there?
Hmmm...that's actually a pretty convincing PBPA. Especially the part where shalako hints at ExLight having some sort of townie PR and that we "won't like it when he claims."
Lest I be accused of wagoning, I shall be the first to vote Shalako
I actually have a vote on him ATM. Also I never said you did say that. I was explaining why it would look scummy if you did so.
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I'm not completely caught up, but these points against Shalako are fairly convincing. He was defending exLight and we have too many power roles for the game...his lynch is looking good.
I'm not gonna vote till I get caught up, which should be soon.
Shalako has claimed PR, and no one has counterclaimed. Is it possible that the PR he's claiming simply doesn't exist in this game, thus he can lie about it and not get counterclaimed?
I feel like you're smarter and more experienced than this question.
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A card game about Presidents. Stabbing each other. With knives.
im not saying that shalako should be the lynch today as he might be telling the truth and we might accidently lynch another town PR however we should keep a close eye on him. It does seem like this game has too many PRs for town but im not willing to take the risk... yet..
Pretty much any statement that starts off with "If I was scum..." is WIFOM and doesn't help you.
I feel like you're smarter and more experienced than this question.
I'm flattered, but this is my first online game ever. When we play IRL, the number and type of PRs is known by everyone before they're dealt out to people, so everyone knows how many of every role there is.
I'm flattered, but this is my first online game ever. When we play IRL, the number and type of PRs is known by everyone before they're dealt out to people, so everyone knows how many of every role there is.
Yeah, same here. Makes it hard to lie.
And I have to concur with Draco here. He's our only remaining "power role" as far as we know, thus I think he gets a pass until further evidence comes up.
I guess i see your point as shalako being our last possible PR. i still think hes suspicious but theres no point just wasting my vote on someone who nobody else sees it as a good idea to lynch atm
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I don't see stating that he's delicious as claiming anything but being town.
Why the fuss?
Partly what Reya said, as it seems odd for a player that's been nearly confirmed as Town to randomly claim Town, and partly because it's been really slow. I wanted to try and get some discussion going. I realize there's no deadline, but if we don't actually talk then we can't catch scum.
Partly what Reya said, as it seems odd for a player that's been nearly confirmed as Town to randomly claim Town, and partly because it's been really slow. I wanted to try and get some discussion going. I realize there's no deadline, but if we don't actually talk then we can't catch scum.
Being that Shalako has posted while drunk several times, him posting while having a fever and being perhaps a bit delirious doesn't surprise me. I'm not really worried about it.
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Isn't he 19? lol. But yeah that post seemed like he was just bored so I dont think I would look that much into it.
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Well, we still need some discussion to get going . . . Anyone want to fake a scum tell?
Bebo sucks auto scum tell. Jk no no bebo creating a distraction so nobody gets onto to him by wanting people to make fake scum tells actually is scummy.
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at least we got rber
Exlight has been very aggresive to both poggy and naka.
He starts off seeing tacky as town agreeing with the rest of us, even when Tacky does his incredible post against exlight, ex just says that tacky is stil time even though the cases against him by tacky is null. However after he claims vig, he says tacky would've been his target. Gotta wonder why this sudden change of heart. I don't think he even said why he suddenly gets a different view on tacky all of a sudden.
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Scummmmmmm
A card game about Presidents. Stabbing each other. With knives.
A card game about Presidents. Stabbing each other. With knives.
Yeah, that was WIFOM. I have the feeling I'm going to be lynched again for the same thing as last game.
Were you scum in that game, too?
A card game about Presidents. Stabbing each other. With knives.
hahaha.
I`ll have a PBPA of Bebo up soon.
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No, I was merely a very noobish town. But Shalako was! :monobrow: I jest, I jest.
Intro.
Commenting on the subject at hand while not taking a stance.
Fence sitting.
Not taking a stance.
Not taking a stance.
Says me and Naka "Feels wrong."
Commenting on my playstyle
1. Plays Meta defense.
2. As you can see above he has in fact NOT taken a stance on anyone but Tacky.
Makes no mention of TACKY after barning him.
ExLight was the third scum.
Bebo is attempting to deflect poggy away from him here.
Worries about his image.
More barning TACKY.
Goes back to not taking a stance on TACKY.
1. Plays Meta defense a second time.
2. Riding that fence on Tacky.
After barning Tacky he doesn't think he is town.
If he didnt think he is town why does he agree with him so much?
Defends Poggy to get townie points.
Null
Concerned about Naka being quick lynched.
Trying to look town?
Wants Naka to claim
Not WIFOM.
Null.
Null(But funny)
(Null)
Plays meta defense for the 3rd time.
Null.
Place holder post,
Major attempt to get Townie points here.
He knows they were both two towns fighting.
True.
ExLight would have spent the rest of the game not being lynched or vigged by being Counter Claimed if this had happened.
BUUUUUUUUUUUUSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
barning Poggy.
Good post,
Null.
Fearmongering.
Place holder post.
By lynching you!
Good post.
That role is called Godfather btw.
Sets me up to be the next lynch if I make it through the Night.
AND fence sits!
Why would this give us a Chance of hitting Town?
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I'm not sure what you're getting at, here. It does make Shalako look terrible that Exlight flipped scum; I think we've all accepted that. At this point, though, I'm willing to believe it was simply bad judgement on Shalako's part, rather than an active attempt to lead us into a mis-lynch.
That PBPA on ibug is kind of inconclusive, imo. Fence sitting isn't necessarily a scumtell. I've been fence sitting a lot this game, simply because I don't really have a strong scum read on anyone.
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The point is that you said that I would look bad if ExLight flipped scum.
If you were scum and knew that ExLight was scum you would say that to tie Me to ExLight and try and get me lynched.
At that point you didn`t know I was a PR and would likely be able to force a lynch on me the next day.
That`s a common problem for scum
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No, I was merely saying that it seemed useless to attack a defenseless player, since it can do nothing but get people to jump on the wagon that has no argument, and is therefore scummy seeming. How come every other time I do something like I did with the "You can do whatever you want" part it is fence sitting, but this time it's overlooked?
How was I worrying about my image there? Correcting myself?
No, I kind of have a bad experience with quick lynches. Although, I'm pretty sure they're bad in most cases.
How does Naka thinking Poggy was scum do anything? Naka wasn't able to investigate anyone, so she had no intel on the subject. If Poggy had attacked her first, then your argument would make much more sense. But he didn't, Naka attacked first, and Poggy was just defending himself. Naka looked pretty scummy, you said so yourself. So I just don't understand your argument here.
Uh, no. Both Poggy and Naka were kind of obsessed with the other's lynch, convinced they were scum. Poggy seemed a bit more open than Naka, but, I'd say both had tunnel vision on the other. I was trying to prevent a mislynch and to move the game along, as, at the time, it seemed like neither of them would be lynched.
I don't even understand what you were trying to say here . . .
How?
Quoted for being an awesome comeback, though it is against me.
I know, but there are more than one lying role, I believe, so I wanted to make sure that I covered them all.
Pretty sure that someone else would've brought it up if I didn't. And I was presenting both sides of the argument as I saw them, and trying to see if that was a viable strategy for scum. I have yet to be scum, but I'm trying to learn.
Because it narrows it down to two options. Fifty-fifty chance. Although, I guess technically when you don't counter-claim, you can hit everyone that's left in the town . . . Faulty logic on my part, my bad.
I have to have stated it before for it to be true?
@Meta defense: I apologize, but I do. I'm not even trying to use it as defense, I'm stating the fact that I fence sit a lot.
@Barning Tacky: I thought he made good points, and I would put him down as town, but I'm keeping my eye on him, since he's experienced, thus he ends up in the "Possible leaning town" section. And I don't like a confirmed town part, since, to quote Obi-Wan, only Sith deal in absolutes. (By Sith, I mean Scum.)
I don't see how this makes him scum. If he's town he might still make this exact post.
If he is scum he would have just as well tried to side on one of the wagons to try and pull a lynch off quickly.
If I was scum, I wouldn't say "if ExLight is scum..." in the first place, I'd say "ExLight isn't scum!"
Herp derp. It's also a problem for people who put a reasonable amount of thought into things before quick-lynching randos because someone has a phony read on them.
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And just as a little side note: Because exlight was the roleblocker, the first instincts for the scum is to protect over busing.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Also, I don't like the Bebo case. It's mostly about fencesitting, which is a null tell in basics due to new players. Newer players fencesit on everything, and it's usually because they are paranoid. The don't know who to trust so when they are called to read players, they always leave a little bit of doubt just in case. Like "I really think TIK is town, but his friendliness could be a ploy! Don't be too sure!". That's really what I've been reading from Bebo all game, in regards to me at least. I know Bebo is leaning town on me, but he (she? Sorry lol) accounts for my experience and knows better than to trust too quickly. The case is really built on Fencesitting, and it's a poor foundation. Fencesitting isn't even a huge scumtell, just a minor one to start discussion.
Anyway, my suspects: Heartwork, Shalako.
I'll explain after we handle this massclaim issue. Gogogo discuss!
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...and apparently I look scummy when I say he is scum, so either way, by your logic, I'm scummy. So is any other player who indicates someone may or may not be scum. Sweet logic bro.
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Saying you KNOW something in mafia looks scummy unless your a confirmed cop, watcher, ect. If you show some p and say proof you suspect someone to be scummy it dosent look nearly as scummy because your showing that you have found something against a player. I might not be wording this very well but my logic works
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I be a "He," my friend.
On the mass claim, well, I'd say you need to elaborate more before you get a great response.
As for heartwork and shalako, I'm pretty sure one of them is scum.
After rereading ex's post I found that during day 1 Shalako was trying to prevent ex from getting lynched. So right now I'm finding shalako more scummy then heartwork and bebo, especially since his case on bebo seems to be just based on fencesitting. However he did claim a PR, and right now he might be the only Pr left to us, since tik used his vig shot. So I'm not sure if he's the right lynch for today.
Your point is moot, then, because I never claimed to know anyone was anything. I said Shalako is going to look bad if ExLight flips scum.
...bro.
Shalako has claimed PR, and no one has counterclaimed. Is it possible that the PR he's claiming simply doesn't exist in this game, thus he can lie about it and not get counterclaimed?
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This is now going to be known as the brofight if it becomes a bigger issue.
Quite, I believe. Which is our dilemma with lynching him. I still think we should let him live today . . . Although, if he's scum, he could just "watch" his scumbuddy and have them claim to have been watched . . .
Tries to protect exlight by saying this is how he usually plays. Btw, did we ever find out what the breadcrumbs were?
Again tries to stop wagon on exlight. Does this by cc'ing naka. This is how naka got lynched.
Knows if exlight gets cc'ed then theres no point of ccing naka as ex will probably die anyway.
feels to me like a post to defend exlight.
willing to lynch reya to save rber.
defending shalako
Lest I be accused of wagoning, I shall be the first to vote Shalako
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I'm not completely caught up, but these points against Shalako are fairly convincing. He was defending exLight and we have too many power roles for the game...his lynch is looking good.
I'm not gonna vote till I get caught up, which should be soon.
Pretty much any statement that starts off with "If I was scum..." is WIFOM and doesn't help you.
I feel like you're smarter and more experienced than this question.
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I'm flattered, but this is my first online game ever. When we play IRL, the number and type of PRs is known by everyone before they're dealt out to people, so everyone knows how many of every role there is.
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Yeah, same here. Makes it hard to lie.
And I have to concur with Draco here. He's our only remaining "power role" as far as we know, thus I think he gets a pass until further evidence comes up.
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So I will not be responding to whatever that is above me that I kinda skimmed.
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I don't see stating that he's delicious as claiming anything but being town.
Why the fuss?
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Partly what Reya said, as it seems odd for a player that's been nearly confirmed as Town to randomly claim Town, and partly because it's been really slow. I wanted to try and get some discussion going. I realize there's no deadline, but if we don't actually talk then we can't catch scum.
Being that Shalako has posted while drunk several times, him posting while having a fever and being perhaps a bit delirious doesn't surprise me. I'm not really worried about it.
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Bebo sucks auto scum tell. Jk no no bebo creating a distraction so nobody gets onto to him by wanting people to make fake scum tells actually is scummy.
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