Was I supposed to send half of it to PM? I missed that, I think.
Though honestly, I wouldn't have gone along w/ that anyway. I'm hoping that some item will appear for 390G or less at some point..my role isn't exactly exciting, but if I can acquire a useful item, I can force the scum to trade one of themselves to get rid of it.
Nothing is sitting right about him and I am pretty sure he has an ability that prevents him from being targeted or something.
Last night I used my item that let's me see what abilities a player has on atlseal by throwing a spirit in a bottle. When I threw the bottle the spirit screamed and ran away when it saw atlseal which prevented me from finding out his abilities. The flavor of my PM seems to imply very strongly that atlseal is so scary/evil that he is able to scare away spirits. Also my PM said specifically the action failed not that he has no ability and Syrenz has confirmed that I did not fail because he has no ability (as I would've been told he had no abilities not that I failed).
Combine that with these recent revelations I think an atlseal lynch is in order.
Not liking the Cyan wagon. Ambassador Laquatus' case is not great, and Cyan responded they way I would expect him to.
Every instinct I have says that we should lynch atlseal, my only concern is that it may put us further behind, but at least it would be better than a mislynch.
Bait contracts seems reasonable, I was wondering about that one myself.
I need to re-read a few things, particularly Pale Mage and some of the less active players.
I thought that Contract 65 read like a bait contract when it was posted.
Most likely there are roles that interact with contracts in various ways. Certainly, I don't think people should just automatically accept any contract that they could fulfill. Especially #65. It's really doubtful that someone is just giving you 10g for no reason whatsoever.
It would be nice if you scumhunted instead of speculated. That post is really just a fluff post, reiterating everything that everyone else said.
Nothing is sitting right about him and I am pretty sure he has an ability that prevents him from being targeted or something.
Last night I used my item that let's me see what abilities a player has on atlseal by throwing a spirit in a bottle. When I threw the bottle the spirit screamed and ran away when it saw atlseal which prevented me from finding out his abilities. The flavor of my PM seems to imply very strongly that atlseal is so scary/evil that he is able to scare away spirits. Also my PM said specifically the action failed not that he has no ability and Syrenz has confirmed that I did not fail because he has no ability (as I would've been told he had no abilities not that I failed).
Combine that with these recent revelations I think an atlseal lynch is in order.
UnvoteRe: atlseal- So, that's kinda weird. One thing that doesn't add up, though.
Nakamura stated she targeted you and saw you do nothing. Can you explain that or is she lying?
I'm pretty upset that you lied to us, but shouldn't be surprised. I thought you seemed to be playing with all your cards on the table. Therefore, I don't think I can trust my read on you anymore. I have no idea what to do with you, although Cyan's right. I doubt there's a hitman and a full SK.
I honestly didn't/don't know why I can't be the target of abilities as that's not stated in my PM. My best guess wrt what Guardman claims is that it's because I'm the servant of this demon. When Nak claimed what she did, I tried to explain it away while thinking it was just fortuitous circumstance.
If I had known that, I would have come up with an untargetable townie claim.
Every instinct I have says that we should lynch atlseal, my only concern is that it may put us further behind, but at least it would be better than a mislynch.
Bait contracts seems reasonable, I was wondering about that one myself.
I need to re-read a few things, particularly Pale Mage and some of the less active players.
So, despite the fact you didn't expect to kill anyone with your role, you figured best case = 1 scum down. How did you figure that PM would be removed from the game in your reasoning here, if you didn't expect him to die?
Someone is lying methinks Vote Atlseal
I already stated, at first I was planning to bluff that I bought the kill bottle since that might have placated Seppel.
One question that nobody is asking is that if I was untargetable as Guardman and Nak seem to suggest, how did Seppel know that I targeted PM last night?
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If you're town and I'm mafia, you've already lost. You just don't know it yet.
@Nak: If I have some sort of targeting protection, I don't know anything about it. That still makes me question why Seppel was able to track me and Guardman wasn't able to see my abilities. One of them is lying. I can at least understand yours as it wouldn't make any sense in terms of you being able to copy my ability as much as I would love you to have so that it would clear me.
@toast:
Right now Atlseal is definitely worrying me. Don't agree that he's the SK, but he may very well be still lying about the kill and the 'recruitment' to his cause is hardly pro-town.
Yeah, that's why I didn't say anything before I got the chance to use it.
r_0 was scum because of his reaction to my claim yesterday. He is still scum because I'm still a better vig target than a lynch.
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If you're town and I'm mafia, you've already lost. You just don't know it yet.
As the only non-mafia player that has knowledge of how the mafia seems to have organized their gold, I will say that it's in the town's best interest to perform a starting/current gold levels claim.
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If you're town and I'm mafia, you've already lost. You just don't know it yet.
Lynching Atlseal seems like a bad idea. If we really want him gone, and we can't vig him, I'd rather just let him hammer and get him out of the game that way, so that we don't have to use up a lynch.
Seppel and Guardman seem to be in direct contradiction with eachother. With Naka, I guess maybe he wasn't able to copy the recruit ability because it wouldn't make sense on town (or it would be too powerful on scum).
I might need to reread Manders and Cyan, but I got pretty strong town vibes from both of them day 1. Cyan's early claim was a little weird, but I don't really think it was scummy.
Gold claim still doesn't seem like a good idea, but if other people agree to it, I guess I'm fine with it.
Was I supposed to send half of it to PM? I missed that, I think.
Though honestly, I wouldn't have gone along w/ that anyway. I'm hoping that some item will appear for 390G or less at some point..my role isn't exactly exciting, but if I can acquire a useful item, I can force the scum to trade one of themselves to get rid of it.
I find it hard to believe that you missed the entire conversation we had about sending it to two different people, but whatever. Your explanation makes sense, especially when I keep in mind that you, like Seppel, are an arrogant player. (Not as bad as him, but you are.)
Not liking the Cyan wagon. Ambassador Laquatus' case is not great, and Cyan responded they way I would expect him to.
Every instinct I have says that we should lynch atlseal, my only concern is that it may put us further behind, but at least it would be better than a mislynch.
Bait contracts seems reasonable, I was wondering about that one myself.
I need to re-read a few things, particularly Pale Mage and some of the less active players.
Ugh, the more you post, the worse I feel about you.
Can I get a town/scum list from you please?
So, despite the fact you didn't expect to kill anyone with your role, you figured best case = 1 scum down. How did you figure that PM would be removed from the game in your reasoning here, if you didn't expect him to die?
Someone is lying methinks Vote Atlseal
Where did he say he expected PM to be rfg?
Now to figure out if this is you reading incorrectly or making ☺☺☺☺ up to smear.
As the only non-mafia player that has knowledge of how the mafia seems to have organized their gold, I will say that it's in the town's best interest to perform a starting/current gold levels claim.
I don't care if we do it or not, but I highly doubt I'll believe anyone's claims. Too easy to lie.
Oh, Manders reminded me. Ok, Nak, it's not actually Manders I'm concerned about. Please tell us who is the third party. I know that you know what I'm talking about and you know that I know.
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If you're town and I'm mafia, you've already lost. You just don't know it yet.
I don't think that is a good idea right now, frankly. I think that atlseal's existence is largely mitigated right now. The scum apparently aren't interested in removing him from the game, and if any more unexplained kills show up, we'll know where to look.
Once a few scum are dead, we'll have the luxury of getting rid of a claimed neutral. But right now, we really don't.
This is a new experience for me: reading six posts out of every 50 or so posted. I know I'm not being helpful, and I apologize. Will provide more when I can.
From what I've read, I like atlseal and Seppel. Cyan (as always) looks pretty town, too.
Oh, Manders reminded me. Ok, Nak, it's not actually Manders I'm concerned about. Please tell us who is the third party. I know that you know what I'm talking about and you know that I know.
I feel like atlseal is spewing out vague crap just to seem helpful, when in fact he's probably just trying to survive long enough to fulfill his wincon. With that said, lynching him today doesn't accomplish much, and if he did kill PM, then he did us a favor.
This is a new experience for me: reading six posts out of every 50 or so posted. I know I'm not being helpful, and I apologize. Will provide more when I can.
From what I've read, I like atlseal and Seppel. Cyan (as always) looks pretty town, too.
These continuing 'I'll talk later' posts are really not what I've come to expect from Cantripmancer when he's town.
Your lack of denial makes me believe it even more.
Let's see if I can convince you without spoiling your role. There is only one contract in the C&T thread that would cause you to have _ _ 8 as your available gold.
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If you're town and I'm mafia, you've already lost. You just don't know it yet.
Your lack of denial makes me believe it even more.
Let's see if I can convince you without spoiling your role. There is only one contract in the C&T thread that would cause you to have _ _ 8 as your available gold.
I don't see what you're saying here.
I can't target more than one person with my copy ability at a time.
Ah right, I forgot that the math has to work both ways.
I hardly see why that is relevant to whatever Atlseal is trying to say here, though. If that IS his point, he needs to just say what he wants to say and stop screwing around about it.
Nak, if your ability doesn't work through contracts you've paid out (which is the theory I was working under), why did you pay an unknown player 22 gold?
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If you're town and I'm mafia, you've already lost. You just don't know it yet.
Ah right, I forgot that the math has to work both ways.
I hardly see why that is relevant to whatever Atlseal is trying to say here, though. If that IS his point, he needs to just say what he wants to say and stop screwing around about it.
He's saying that I have an alternate win-condition where I win once I complete ten contracts.
At least, I think that's what he meant, but I could be wrong.
Nak, if your ability doesn't work through contracts you've paid out (which is the theory I was working under), why did you pay an unknown player 22 gold?
Nothing is sitting right about him and I am pretty sure he has an ability that prevents him from being targeted or something.
Last night I used my item that let's me see what abilities a player has on atlseal by throwing a spirit in a bottle. When I threw the bottle the spirit screamed and ran away when it saw atlseal which prevented me from finding out his abilities. The flavor of my PM seems to imply very strongly that atlseal is so scary/evil that he is able to scare away spirits. Also my PM said specifically the action failed not that he has no ability and Syrenz has confirmed that I did not fail because he has no ability (as I would've been told he had no abilities not that I failed).
Combine that with these recent revelations I think an atlseal lynch is in order.
I don't believe you.
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C: 300g
Also, WTF Nakamura! Double-voting ability-copying contract-fulfilling neutral!?
In actuality I'm jealous; that role sounds awesome.
Now this is interesting. I am thinking atlseal and Seppel are conspiring. Either that or atlseal has protection from spirits. But honestly I find the conspiracy thing a bit more believable since Naka also seems to have failed to target atlseal.
One question that nobody is asking is that if I was untargetable as Guardman and Nak seem to suggest, how did Seppel know that I targeted PM last night?
Now this is interesting. I am thinking atlseal and Seppel are conspiring. Either that or atlseal has protection from spirits. But honestly I find the conspiracy thing a bit more believable since Naka also seems to have failed to target atlseal.
That's really stretching it, y'know? Naka's skill failed because Atlseal has no abilities, therefore confirming that Atlseal was telling the truth about his role.
That's really stretching it, y'know? Naka's skill failed because Atlseal has no abilities, therefore confirming that Atlseal was telling the truth about his role.
You're caught.
Is that how it works? I'll assume you're right, I still don't get how this target that block this whoiswhatsit.
That's really stretching it, y'know? Naka's skill failed because Atlseal has no abilities, therefore confirming that Atlseal was telling the truth about his role.
You're caught.
How am I caught when I am telling the truth? Eh?
Let's look at the facts:
1. Both Naka claims to have failed on targeting atlseal. Claims atlseal is protected.
2. atlseal convinces Naka that it failed because he has no abilities.
3. I say I also couldn't target atlseal.
4. You say in post 1042 "Cool Story Bro" in response to my post about my failed target.
5. In post 1044 (two hours after post 1042) you come and call me a liar saying you targeted atlseal.
Let's look at what is wrong here.
1. Naka at first thinks her ability failed because atlseal was protected or blocked her. But atlseal convinces her he fail cause he has no abilities, when in actuality he has a recruiting ability which kills scum. Then convinces her that she can't copy his recruiting ability because it is a recruiting ability and it is one shot. Add this onto the number of times atlseal has lied already I fon't quite trust anything he says.
2. I confirm that atlseal couldn't be targeted last night.
3. You say "Cool Story Bro" then leave, think about it for two hours, and then come back stating I am lying and then vote for me. The timing of my vote makes me think you realized you could use this as an opportunity to get me lynched.
Something isn't adding up and it is clear that it is you and Naka.
This post is pretty bad, even for you. It reeks of backpedaling.
No it doesn't. I had a perfect opportunity to make Guardman show his true colors, so I took it. He not only stuck to his story, but felt indignation about being called a liar. He's telling the complete truth and he's town.
No it doesn't. I had a perfect opportunity to make Guardman show his true colors, so I took it. He not only stuck to his story, but felt indignation about being called a liar. He's telling the complete truth and he's town.
1) What happens to your followers after you die/leave the game?
2) Information I have received that would be more useful in the event of a gold claim.
1) Followers is incorrect. Singular. Follower. It was a one-shot recruitment ability.
Die: Nothing. Win and leave the game: He/she also leaves the game with a win.
2) Such as? Considering you were against it for the fact that I suggested it was a good idea.
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If you're town and I'm mafia, you've already lost. You just don't know it yet.
Though honestly, I wouldn't have gone along w/ that anyway. I'm hoping that some item will appear for 390G or less at some point..my role isn't exactly exciting, but if I can acquire a useful item, I can force the scum to trade one of themselves to get rid of it.
Nothing is sitting right about him and I am pretty sure he has an ability that prevents him from being targeted or something.
Last night I used my item that let's me see what abilities a player has on atlseal by throwing a spirit in a bottle. When I threw the bottle the spirit screamed and ran away when it saw atlseal which prevented me from finding out his abilities. The flavor of my PM seems to imply very strongly that atlseal is so scary/evil that he is able to scare away spirits. Also my PM said specifically the action failed not that he has no ability and Syrenz has confirmed that I did not fail because he has no ability (as I would've been told he had no abilities not that I failed).
Combine that with these recent revelations I think an atlseal lynch is in order.
Not liking the Cyan wagon. Ambassador Laquatus' case is not great, and Cyan responded they way I would expect him to.
Every instinct I have says that we should lynch atlseal, my only concern is that it may put us further behind, but at least it would be better than a mislynch.
Bait contracts seems reasonable, I was wondering about that one myself.
I need to re-read a few things, particularly Pale Mage and some of the less active players.
smoke_Killah
It would be nice if you scumhunted instead of speculated. That post is really just a fluff post, reiterating everything that everyone else said.
A prophet seeking a profit.
I honestly didn't/don't know why I can't be the target of abilities as that's not stated in my PM. My best guess wrt what Guardman claims is that it's because I'm the servant of this demon. When Nak claimed what she did, I tried to explain it away while thinking it was just fortuitous circumstance.
If I had known that, I would have come up with an untargetable townie claim.
r_0 is also still scum.
I already stated, at first I was planning to bluff that I bought the kill bottle since that might have placated Seppel.
One question that nobody is asking is that if I was untargetable as Guardman and Nak seem to suggest, how did Seppel know that I targeted PM last night?
Guardman's a liar.
Vote Guardman
I guess I'm still bad at this. Trying to improve.
[B]Atseal[/B]: My ability can not miss unless you have some kind of protection or no abilities. I'm believing the former more and more now.
[B]MandersHex: I didn't watch him, I tried to copy him, because I thought thet he had some kind of killing ability (like a Vig).
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
@toast:
Yeah, that's why I didn't say anything before I got the chance to use it.
r_0 was scum because of his reaction to my claim yesterday. He is still scum because I'm still a better vig target than a lynch.
More interesting would be the results of Toastboy's night action.
[b]Vote Toastboy[b/]
Scum thief much?
Guardman, what's your motive for being a liar McLiarson?
Current: 29,980
Current Gold: 158.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Seppel and Guardman seem to be in direct contradiction with eachother. With Naka, I guess maybe he wasn't able to copy the recruit ability because it wouldn't make sense on town (or it would be too powerful on scum).
I might need to reread Manders and Cyan, but I got pretty strong town vibes from both of them day 1. Cyan's early claim was a little weird, but I don't really think it was scummy.
Gold claim still doesn't seem like a good idea, but if other people agree to it, I guess I'm fine with it.
Because I'm the only non-mafia right now that has a good idea of how the mafia have organized their money.
How do you feel about Manders, Nak?
I find it hard to believe that you missed the entire conversation we had about sending it to two different people, but whatever. Your explanation makes sense, especially when I keep in mind that you, like Seppel, are an arrogant player. (Not as bad as him, but you are.)
Ugh, the more you post, the worse I feel about you.
Can I get a town/scum list from you please?
Where did he say he expected PM to be rfg?
Now to figure out if this is you reading incorrectly or making ☺☺☺☺ up to smear.
Can't say, but remember when atlseal stopped posting for awhile yesterday?
Good question. I'd like to see the answer as well.
Did I say you watched him? I don't think so.
In your PM, did it specifically say he has no abilities, or is it saying you weren't able to target him?
I don't care if we do it or not, but I highly doubt I'll believe anyone's claims. Too easy to lie.
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Did I earn my tin foil hat yet? This game is too complicated for me to figure out.
lrd still reads scummy to me. More on that after I finish re-reading MH.
Once a few scum are dead, we'll have the luxury of getting rid of a claimed neutral. But right now, we really don't.
From what I've read, I like atlseal and Seppel. Cyan (as always) looks pretty town, too.
My farshai tried to attach itself to him, but it found that there was nothing to attach itself to, and failed.
If you re-word it, I may know what you mean.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Gar har har.
I have good reason to believe that you used your ability on a third player. Who was that player and do you think they are town or scum?
Good reason, please.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
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These continuing 'I'll talk later' posts are really not what I've come to expect from Cantripmancer when he's town.
Probably worth looking into at some point.
Your lack of denial makes me believe it even more.
Let's see if I can convince you without spoiling your role. There is only one contract in the C&T thread that would cause you to have _ _ 8 as your available gold.
Though I don't see any contracts that would cause someone to have XX8 as their gold total.
I don't see what you're saying here.
I can't target more than one person with my copy ability at a time.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
There is a contract asking for twenty-two gold.
That would cause someone to have XX8 as their gold total.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
I hardly see why that is relevant to whatever Atlseal is trying to say here, though. If that IS his point, he needs to just say what he wants to say and stop screwing around about it.
He's saying that I have an alternate win-condition where I win once I complete ten contracts.
At least, I think that's what he meant, but I could be wrong.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Yeah, I know. It's going to be tough due to the holiday, but I'm going to ramp up as soon as life permits.
On the plus side, I'll be extremely easy to reread later.
Refer to Post #1075.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
OK? On what basis?
I don't believe you.
S: 300g
C: 300g
Also, WTF Nakamura! Double-voting ability-copying contract-fulfilling neutral!?
In actuality I'm jealous; that role sounds awesome.
Vote Guardman
Now this is interesting. I am thinking atlseal and Seppel are conspiring. Either that or atlseal has protection from spirits. But honestly I find the conspiracy thing a bit more believable since Naka also seems to have failed to target atlseal.
That is a very good question.
See below.
Why do you believe I am lying and what possible motivation could I have for lying.
Why don't you believe me?
That's really stretching it, y'know? Naka's skill failed because Atlseal has no abilities, therefore confirming that Atlseal was telling the truth about his role.
You're caught.
Is that how it works? I'll assume you're right, I still don't get how this target that block this whoiswhatsit.
How am I caught when I am telling the truth? Eh?
Let's look at the facts:
1. Both Naka claims to have failed on targeting atlseal. Claims atlseal is protected.
2. atlseal convinces Naka that it failed because he has no abilities.
3. I say I also couldn't target atlseal.
4. You say in post 1042 "Cool Story Bro" in response to my post about my failed target.
5. In post 1044 (two hours after post 1042) you come and call me a liar saying you targeted atlseal.
Let's look at what is wrong here.
1. Naka at first thinks her ability failed because atlseal was protected or blocked her. But atlseal convinces her he fail cause he has no abilities, when in actuality he has a recruiting ability which kills scum. Then convinces her that she can't copy his recruiting ability because it is a recruiting ability and it is one shot. Add this onto the number of times atlseal has lied already I fon't quite trust anything he says.
2. I confirm that atlseal couldn't be targeted last night.
3. You say "Cool Story Bro" then leave, think about it for two hours, and then come back stating I am lying and then vote for me. The timing of my vote makes me think you realized you could use this as an opportunity to get me lynched.
Something isn't adding up and it is clear that it is you and Naka.
Guardman is town. Sorry to have to badger you like that but I wanted to know. Thanks.
Now, onto more important matters:
Unvote, vote Azrael
This post is pretty bad, even for you. It reeks of backpedaling.
No it doesn't. I had a perfect opportunity to make Guardman show his true colors, so I took it. He not only stuck to his story, but felt indignation about being called a liar. He's telling the complete truth and he's town.
It was a ruse?
Quite, and what has suddenly convinced you that a gold claim may be helpful?
For those who don't believe what I'm claiming, put yourself in my shoes. What would you have done differently, if anything?
1) Followers is incorrect. Singular. Follower. It was a one-shot recruitment ability.
Die: Nothing. Win and leave the game: He/she also leaves the game with a win.
2) Such as? Considering you were against it for the fact that I suggested it was a good idea.