I believe that today has reached an impasse. Tomorrow we'll get results from the actual cop, the tracker, and hopefully Zindabad.
I think Joboman is the correct lynch for today and won't feel bad on the slim chance he flips town, as he's been thoroughly uncooperative and deceitful. Ignoring his lack of results, illogical cases on townies (Ria + Arcadic), and weak barning, he still can't account for why he barned Vezo and claimed cop at the most opportunistic time possible.
I'm wary of Shalako, since he seems to find Joboman scummy yet refuses to vote for him. I believe he is unwilling to vote Joboman, yet wants to appear on the side of the town in this matter.
I wont be posting an updated scumlist as to not give information on who i intend to target tonight. I'm fine with the Jobo hammer when the town is ready for it.
I can't believe that you are genuine, j-mo. The fact that you refuse to even acknowledge how sketchy your timing of your claim & subsequent results is speaks volumes on the futility of even discussing it with you.
"I forgot to submit a night action"
"Nope, I lied, I submitted it during the day, I targets Rian and failed"
and the whole BS about vigging Rian earlier too.
I tried to reach you to you in chat, but you refuse to even talk with a mason about why you have done what you did.
You are hardly confirmed. You barned with vezo, and then targeted yourself.
@Infinis: No, I dont find it weird that as soon as he got into the game, he barned the biggest wagon. I had to scream at basically nothing at how scummy jobo has been acting the last while. If Diggy had been active, what do you think he would have done? Not gone after the person that is screaming scum? Oh, and I'm not in an amine, there is no a before the j and s.
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If you guys are going to lynch me, please provide reasons.
Ridiculous. You're completely dismissing the growing wealth of sketchiness oozing from your play this game. There are plenty of reasons; the least of which are your constant appeals that nobody "actually has anything against you."
I believe that Seperiel is a far better lynch than I. Does anybody else concur?
This attitude is pretty odd; if we are to assume it's coming from a townsperson. Why wouldn't you think Sepiriel is a far better lynch than you; you should already be certain that you are town.
That being said, I don't concur. Confirm Vote
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This attitude is pretty odd; if we are to assume it's coming from a townsperson. Why wouldn't you think Sepiriel is a far better lynch than you; you should already be certain that you are town.
A very good point.
I'll wait for Cyouni to claim, and I'll be moving my vote over if no one else finishes him.
Seperiel failed at his/her claim. A town survivor must be alive at the end of the game and win with the town while this is what she claimed:
"I must be alive at the end of the game or win with the town" (something along those lines). This is a contradiction and obviously a failed false-claim. Lets lynch her.
Lynching me is a good way to get more results /sarcasm.
Seeing as how you haven't produced a "real" result outside of barning Vezo's Seppel case, I fail to see why we should expect results from you in the future.
You may disagree with them, but do not call my cases "illogical" if they're clearly not and you're not willing to show how you think they are.
Despite the fact that Arcadic and Infinis got town results on Rianalnn, you still seem to believe that him and Arcadic have concocted a conspiracy to get you lynched. Yesterday you made a post that read:
Yet you didn't send in an investigation on Shalako last night, but Rianalnn. And today, you're not voting Shalako, and while he finds you scummy, he's not voting you. Anyone else see this?
@Joboman: The case against you is real. Your play this game has been illogical, as your actions do not gel with your supposed role of cop.
Seperiel failed at his/her claim. A town survivor must be alive at the end of the game and win with the town while this is what she claimed:
Considering that nuetral survivor is a really cruddy role by itself, assuming sepir is really a survivor, I would be more inclined to believe that sepir could have the alternate win, rather than the tougher win.
I bluffed full day vig, only. I am also doc and cop. I have not assumed doc role yet.
Thanks for the vote counts.
I haven't voted you shalako because honestly this is my first game with u and u remind me of d_v who I can't read either. That said I'm fine with your lynch.
It wasn't a comment specifically to you.
I`m used to having cases/wagons on me.
But it hasnt happened yet.
Its part of the reason Ive been feeling unconformable this whole game.
or maybe I am getting better
oh and If You guys lynch me because of me not fitting my town meta I can cite this game for the rest of time.
Okay.
1. I believe that Jobomans Failed Gambit is possible from both a scum and a town prospective.
2. I believe that The Taylor vs. Diggy interaction is stronger then The Seppel vs. Joboman interaction.
this is because Joboman would accomplish two very important goals.
A. Be
"Confirmed" as a Cop.
B. Would out Vezo so that Vezo would not get a failed target on him(Because he was "for" the plan but outed Vezo as a cult leader.)
The flip side is I think that Joboman is failtastic enough to do this as town, and is convinced beyond reasoning that Rin is Scum and would fake getting a scum result on him just to get him lynched.
Besides being at L-1 already, I've said I don't plan on voting you today, unless the game starts stagnating.
You've acted terribly scummy, but if wrong your role is not one I want to mislynch - especially not with equally good options still left. I would much rather lynch Sepiriel today and let you investigate someone tonight, at least. Then if you are lynched tomorrow and do come up town, we have a handy result to use.
@shalako Do you believe voting history is important?
It depends on the player; ie Seppel`s is not, but Say Rin`s would be.
Are you surprised only one person has voted you?
Very.
Do you believe casting suspicions without voting is scummy?
If you do it with giving a well thought out and conhernt reason.
also if you say you will be willing to do what ever the rest of the town wants to do.
oh wait.
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@all I've pondered this for a couple of days. Zindabad accuses me of being the SK and that the revealed SK was not really an SK. Mafiascum does have an SK role that interacts with the psychiatrist. I wonder why he did not target me before? He explains that he will cure someone non-human. Funny how that is me and that he will try and cure me. Cure me of being cop and doc? Not one shots, full, guardman.
I don`t think he thought you were the SK at that point.
Correct?
[COLOR="DarkRed"]@ALL[/COLOR].also is Zin fitting his scum meta?
So there are two crazies and possible SK and yet zinda's role does something else besides address these two things?
I believe that today has reached an impasse. Tomorrow we'll get results from the actual cop, the tracker, and hopefully Zindabad.
how much you wanna bet whomever the tracker targets goes crazy?
I'm wary of Shalako, since he seems to find Joboman scummy yet refuses to vote for him. I believe he is unwilling to vote Joboman, yet wants to appear on the side of the town in this matter.
Okay.
1. I believe that Jobomans Failed Gambit is possible from both a scum and a town prospective.
2. I believe that The Taylor vs. Diggy interaction is stronger then The Seppel vs. Joboman interaction.
this is because Joboman would accomplish two very important goals.
A. Be
"Confirmed" as a Cop.
B. Would out Vezo so that Vezo would not get a failed target on him(Because he was "for" the plan but outed Vezo as a cult leader.)
The flip side is I think that Joboman is failtastic enough to do this as town, and is convinced beyond reasoning that Rin is Scum and would fake getting a scum result on him just to get him lynched.
Yet you didn't send in an investigation on Shalako last night, but Rianalnn. And today, you're not voting Shalako, and while he finds you scummy, he's not voting you. Anyone else see this?
Null because of my role.
Also don`t find joboman scum.
I just don`t know if he is scum hiding behind faults or Town angry with the wagon on him who feels that he made the right plays and doesn't understand why people are voting him.[/Color]
Misrep #1
This was not lying nor decietful, it was that I was extremely busy during that period of time and I wasn't able to/forgot to submit an investigation.
, lying about a vig shot to produce a claim from Rianalnn,
Misrep #2
You've got me, this is my one time that I've tried to gambit to try to catch a scum. I did not, however, claim a vig shot so that Rianalnn claimed. If you go back and look at his post you'll see that Rianalnn claimed because of my gambit, but my intentions of the gambit where not in any way to get them to claim.
lying about Vezo being a cop at first, etc.
Misrep#3
I never lied for Vezo. As soon as I looked and found out that he was a cult I actually helped the town by outing him.
Seeing as how you haven't produced a "real" result outside of barning Vezo's Seppel case,
Misrep#4
Are you forgetting about those two PBPA's that it took to get Seppel Vigged, that took hours of my time to do? Vezo never made a single case for Seppel, and he just barned my case.
I fail to see why we should expect results from you in the future.
This is just a plain out logical disconnect. How does you thinking I've never made a cause (proved to be not true) make you think that I'll never get cop results? These two things have nothing to do with each-other.
Despite the fact that Arcadic and Infinis got town results on Rianalnn, you still seem to believe that him and Arcadic have concocted a conspiracy to get you lynched.
Misrep #5.
If the bolded words is another way to say "scum-driven wagon", then yes I thought that they were trying to get a mis-lynch on me. How is that scummy?
Yet you didn't send in an investigation on Shalako last night, but Rianalnn.
Do you remember That PBPA that took another hour to write that was outlining Rianalnn and Seppel's strong connection?
And today, you're not voting Shalako, and while he finds you scummy, he's not voting you. Anyone else see this?
So do you think that we're scumbuddies?
@Joboman: The case against you is real.
As I've shown, its clearly not.
Your play this game has been illogical,
This is not a scum-tell.
as your actions do not gel with your supposed role of cop.
This is the first time you've mentioned this.
If there's anything more I could clear up that'd be useful.
Considering that nuetral survivor is a really cruddy role by itself, assuming sepir is really a survivor, I would be more inclined to believe that sepir could have the alternate win, rather than the tougher win.
Sep mentioned specifically how he was angry because his role made it harder to win.
I'll take that bet, considering my first target didn't, & my second already was
I see I must expand upon that comment.
1. You targeted someone besides Guardman.
2. You targeted Guardman/cy went crazy.
SO.
Assuming you are telling the truth
1. every time Guardman is targeted someone else goes crazy(this would be interesting if it was similar to a triggered ability, because It would trigger my ability.)
or
2. Every Time Someone targets Guardman they go crazy.
Option 3 says that they are a cult and if they get targeted/they target guardman they become cultists and you are lying about Guardman/you not getting Pms about it.
I'm amused that [Shalako], of all people, are talking about terrible reasoning. "Hey, PF's RVS daykill must be serious, therefore I should shoot him to prove that I have a daykill!"
Assuming you are telling the truth
1. every time Guardman is targeted someone else goes crazy(this would be interesting if it was similar to a triggered ability, because It would trigger my ability.)
or
2. Every Time Someone targets Guardman they go crazy.
Option 3 says that they are a cult and if they get targeted/they target guardman they become cultists and you are lying about Guardman/you not getting Pms about it.
I like where you (and Infinis in his last post) are going with this line of thinking, but I targeted Guardman and didn't go crazy, so #2 is invalid.
I could definitely see Guardman being a role meant as a trap for investigative roles.
Sepiriel failed at his/her claim. A town survivor must be alive at the end of the game and win with the town while this is what he claimed:
"I must be alive at the end of the game or win with the town" (something along those lines). This is a contradiction and obviously a failed false-claim. Lets lynch him.
Problem with that Jobo is that THAT is not my role my role is for all intent and purposes a Neutral Survivor however instead of Neutral the Alignment is Town, the reason for that is obviously clear but its been discussed to death by Rian already so i dont think it needs repeating.
Considering that nuetral survivor is a really cruddy role by itself, assuming sepir is really a survivor, I would be more inclined to believe that sepir could have the alternate win, rather than the tougher win.
Additionally the fact i would be Neutral and hence would not be able to accomplish 50% of my wincon that way means it would make no sense to have a neutral alignment (look at Nai for example)
Sep mentioned specifically how he was angry because his role made it harder to win.
My case is still valid.
For me survivor IS a harder role to win with, I like lasting until the end regardless of the fact i win with the rest of the town (i make it a personal goal of mine to last as far into the game as possible), but a survivor is a) a role most people consider expendable/useless/usually not counting towards the tally of town vs scum for purposes of standard Scum Win (or at least i understood the role to not count) and b) its the first time i play one, not surprising since its my 4th game all together, and i always consider a new role as difficult to win with.
And in all honesty your case on me is about as valid as your case against Rian.
Offtopic: Did i actually say angry? i thought i said annoyed but regardless the sentiment is correct as stated by my reasoning above.
My ISP i think finally fixed the problem with my connection (had to change service, still same ISP but it is a different system they use), that means i will be able to finish that Claim Sheet i was trying to do later tonight and hopefully the game wont be into night by then.
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I'm amused that [Shalako], of all people, are talking about terrible reasoning. "Hey, PF's RVS daykill must be serious, therefore I should shoot him to prove that I have a daykill!"
Problem with that Jobo is that THAT is not my role. My role, for all intent and purposes, is a Neutral Survivor however instead of being Neutral,my Alignment is Town.
*Punctuation done by me for clarification*
Hmm that's interesting, looks like I've caught you in a lie. Lets look at what you've said before:
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Again I am a Town Survivor, I can win either with the town or by surviving until the end of the game, thats what i meant by win with either team.
Not a fun role but i have tried to make the best with what i've got.
The problem with this is that I've been a town survivor before, and the role actually looks something like this:
You are a Town Survivor
You have no abilities other than a vote during the day. You win if you survive to the end of the day and the town wins. If you die and the town wins, or if you stay alive but the town loses then you lose.
This seems to me to be a noob mistake made by Sepiriel.
the reason for that is obviously clear but its been discussed to death by Rian already so i dont think it needs repeating.
What does this mean?
Additionally the fact i would be Neutral and hence would not be able to accomplish 50% of my wincon that way means it would make no sense to have a neutral alignment (look at Nai for example)
Totally invalid argument. You're saying that it makes no sense for you to be a neutral survivor with a town survivor's wincon, which is true, but we're arguing that you're a neutral survivor with a neutral survivor's wincon.
For me survivor IS a harder role to win with, I like lasting until the end regardless of the fact i win with the rest of the town (i make it a personal goal of mine to last as far into the game as possible),
But with you're role its Easier to win with. Does anybody else see this blaring contradiction here?
but a survivor is a) a role most people consider expendable/useless/usually not counting towards the tally of town vs scum for purposes of standard Scum Win (or at least i understood the role to not count)
Not if you were a real town survivor that actually HAS to win with the town AND survive.
and b) its the first time i play one, not surprising since its my 4th game all together, and i always consider a new role as difficult to win with.
Unrelated.
And in all honesty your case on me is about as valid as your case against Rian.
Where is your support for this? How is there a correlation between your case and Rian's case?
Guys, this guy made a huge scum-slip, failing in a claim.
I withheld this info because I predicted that it would get the reception that it is currently receiving, and I didn't want the scum getting any extra leverage on my mislynch.
I just noticed this - exactly what "extra leverage" were you referring to? What leverage was there in the first place?
(The answer is none.)
I didn't know the day was underway, I sent the Pm before I checked the thread.
Hold on. You said yourself that you "remembered that you forgot the investigation, but decided to send it in despite not believing it'd work". You also said something else, but I ccan't remember what right now. I'll try again after I've gotten some sleep.
He's been lurking hardcore and when he has posted, it's been peripheral, plus he's had negative interactions with joboman as regards Seppel. At this stage that's enough for me.
Peripheral? Negative interactions? Back your assertions up. On both counts.
Furthermore i would love it if you could explain how the Survivor role makes sense as a Neutral.
Simple. You're not telling the truth about your role. You're either completely lying scum, or halfway lying neutral about the "win with the town" part.
To be quite frank guys, I'm not [B]this[/B] bad. Please just look through what I've said and see that a scum would have [B]no reason[/B] to do what I've done.
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For those who do not want to read, joboman made up **** and when I called him to back it up, he started going "it's there if you actually look, your job not mine to look". It was pretty blatantly obvious. Oh, and there, he had "no reason" to do that. Oh, and there he was scum.
Seperiel failed at his/her claim. A town survivor must be alive at the end of the game [B]and[/B] win with the town while this is what she claimed:
"I must be alive at the end of the game [B]or [/B]win with the town" (something along those lines). This is a contradiction and obviously a failed false-claim. Lets lynch her.
I just included this because I find it so amusing that you're attempting to argue this.
"I had this completely different role therefore he's lying."
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Town Enabler. No active abilities. No idea who/what I'm enabling to work.
Hammering is fine now.
Some stuff may not be coherent - I have had like no sleep for the past three days.
May have to replace considering the work coming up. Would really hate to do that.
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Town Enabler. No active abilities. No idea who/what I'm enabling to work.
Perhaps this means you're "enabling" the crazy that's been spreading. I've never heard of this role but then again there are many bastard roles I've never heard of.
After tonight we'll be able to determine if the crazy is still spreading.
I just noticed this - exactly what "extra leverage" were you referring to? What leverage was there in the first place?
(The answer is none.)
Extra as in anymore than they have already. The word "Extra" does not assume that they have something, nor does it assume that they have nothing to work with.
Hold on. You said yourself that you "remembered that you forgot the investigation, but decided to send it in despite not believing it'd work". You also said something else, but I ccan't remember what right now. I'll try again after I've gotten some sleep.
How does that align with what you're saying now?
How does it not align with what I'm saying now? I don't see what the issue is.
Asphodel Meadows.
For those who do not want to read, joboman made up **** and when I called him to back it up, he started going "it's there if you actually look, your job not mine to look". It was pretty blatantly obvious. Oh, and there, he had "no reason" to do that. Oh, and there he was scum.
So yeah, joboman, you are that bad.
So as scum I didn't want to go back and find stuff for people when it was clearly not my job to?
And, how does not wanting to do other peoples' work for them make me bad? Are you honestly saying that this is a scummy thing?
I just included this because I find it so amusing that you're attempting to argue this.
"I had this completely different role therefore he's lying."
& clearly Annie has cut & paste the roles for this game directly from the MS wiki
So yes, it is possible , yet unlikely, that there is a Town Survivor role that works like Sep's claimed role. The only problem is that what he's said about his role being unfun contradicts with the fact that the role is easier to win with.
I am still not convinced. The only defense I see right now is a desperate joboman trying to convict sepir instead of himself. Your theories to who are scum have been too jumpy through out, and you appear to not want to cement yourself to any one wagon.
Day finally comes, and again not everyone wakes up.
The town goes to Infinis' house and breaks in when he doesn't show up in the town square for roll call. They find a puddle of sludge in his bed; someone does some tests and realizes this is a shapeshifter's natural form after death. There's also a textbook on "turning non-human creatures human" sitting on the door and a knife floating in the remains.
Infinis, Town Shapeshifter (Sane Cop/Doctor/Dayvig) has been killed.
Also, Cyouni got naked and ran around town all night, still borrowing Guardman's "I MIGHT BE SCUM" sandwich board and screaming "THE END IS NEAR!"
After Taylor came back to me as 'town', and died as Godfather, I just assumed that meant he would have investigated as town normally (as Godfathers usually do) and so that meant my result should have been 'scum' if he were scum.
This plus my Seppel result seemed to confirm me as naive.
BUT! Tonight I investigated myself and got a scum result! So this almost 100% means I'm actually insane and Taylor was a Godfather without the typical ability (or the mod somehow screwed that result up).
Either way, this means that my town result on Zindabad no longer means diddly.
Vote: Zindabad.
Also, in regards to Jobo shenanigans and everything; anyone else notice that he was revealed as just "Sane Cop" and not "Town Sane Cop" as all other dead town are showing up?
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Also, in regards to Jobo shenanigans and everything; anyone else notice that he was revealed as just "Sane Cop" and not "Town Sane Cop" as all other dead town are showing up?
Hmm... I can get behind AI's case. I don't like Zindabad and I am pretty sure AI is town.
Plus this would be a suicide gambit, the likes of which I haven't seen since the meadows if AI is gambitting.
Also yay! I didn't go crazy last night!
Also interesting is Zindabad saying he cures non-humans, yet Infinis a mod confirmed non-human was town. If they are town why do they need to be cured. Something in his story isn't adding up.
D'oh. Didn't re-check that, but when it was originally posted on page 1, it said the same thing as the lynch post.
Mystery solved, anyhow.
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Lies! -I'm Buffy Summers, town tracker. I used my ability on you and saw that you didn't use any abilities before the game started. My flavor is I was sucked through a mysterious space-time portal and I'm here to kill all the vampires, and my tracking ability is a combination of my Slayer and Native American skills.
BUT! Tonight I investigated myself and got a scum result! So this almost 100% means I'm actually insane and Taylor was a Godfather without the typical ability (or the mod somehow screwed that result up).
So Rian ends up targeting Cyouni again, and we get a day scene where Cyouni is running around naked screaming the end is near and he might be scum? Interesting.
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Ria's getting redirected is bizarre, L_P claimed redirector, so obviously we need to hear from him too.
I've already posted and I'm not sure why you think it's bizarre. I redirected anyone targeting Arcadic to Cyouni. Only one person, apparently rianalnn, targeting Arcadic.
I've already posted and I'm not sure why you think it's bizarre. I redirected anyone targeting Arcadic to Cyouni. Only one person, apparently rianalnn, targeting Arcadic.
I didn't see that. That's what I get for playing too much mafia during finals week.
I was looking for confirmation that you were responsible for the redirect and something else wasn't.
So the claim sheet (i cannot find Guardman's claim so if you could please repeat it that would be deeply appreciated):
Nai, Former Inmate/Town Postminer SK/Mason lynched Day 1
Pale Mage, Town Vig died Night 1
Toastboy, Town Retarder died Night 1
vezokpiraka, Cult Leader lynched Day 2
Taylor, Mafia Godfather died Night 2
jscolton, Mafia Roleblocker died Night 2
red_omega, Town Super-Duper-Super-Saint died Night 2
Archmage Eternal, Town Paranoid CPR Doc died Night 2
Seppel, Mafia Mason Infiltrator shot Day 3
Nakamura, Town Double Voter lynched day 3
Dagger, Town Backup Superman killed Night 3
Joboman, Town Sane Cop lynched Day 4
Infinis, Town Shapeshifter killed Night 4
rianaln, Town Watcher
The Ice King, Town Doc
lost profit, Town Redirector
AmbassadorLaquatus, Town Doc
Cyouni, Town Enabler
Shalako, Town Paranoid Gun-Owner
jskura, Town Mason
AlphaInsidious, Town Cop (Insane)
Sepiriel, Town Survivor
zindabad, Town Psychiatrist
Guardman,
Arcadic, Town Cop (Insane)
What are the odds of having one sane cop, two insane's and a Shapeshifter who for all we know was also a part time sane cop?
That aside Zinda the Shapeshifter died and the morning scene appears to hint at your involvement somehow so, who did you target, why and what result did you get?
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I think Joboman is the correct lynch for today and won't feel bad on the slim chance he flips town, as he's been thoroughly uncooperative and deceitful. Ignoring his lack of results, illogical cases on townies (Ria + Arcadic), and weak barning, he still can't account for why he barned Vezo and claimed cop at the most opportunistic time possible.
I'm wary of Shalako, since he seems to find Joboman scummy yet refuses to vote for him. I believe he is unwilling to vote Joboman, yet wants to appear on the side of the town in this matter.
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How so? please site specific examples.
Lynching me is a good way to get more results /sarcasm.
You may disagree with them, but do not call my cases "illogical" if they're clearly not and you're not willing to show how you think they are.
Where is this also?
There's nothing to account for here... I claimed cop because I had gotten the same result as he did and I thought that it'd be needed for the lynch.
If you guys are going to lynch me, please provide reasons.
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"I forgot to submit a night action"
"Nope, I lied, I submitted it during the day, I targets Rian and failed"
and the whole BS about vigging Rian earlier too.
I tried to reach you to you in chat, but you refuse to even talk with a mason about why you have done what you did.
You are hardly confirmed. You barned with vezo, and then targeted yourself.
@Infinis: No, I dont find it weird that as soon as he got into the game, he barned the biggest wagon. I had to scream at basically nothing at how scummy jobo has been acting the last while. If Diggy had been active, what do you think he would have done? Not gone after the person that is screaming scum? Oh, and I'm not in an amine, there is no a before the j and s.
Ridiculous. You're completely dismissing the growing wealth of sketchiness oozing from your play this game. There are plenty of reasons; the least of which are your constant appeals that nobody "actually has anything against you."
This attitude is pretty odd; if we are to assume it's coming from a townsperson. Why wouldn't you think Sepiriel is a far better lynch than you; you should already be certain that you are town.
That being said, I don't concur. Confirm Vote
I'll wait for Cyouni to claim, and I'll be moving my vote over if no one else finishes him.
Updated: 05/24/11
[The Family]
Regardless of your reason it was a weak barn and you did not even try to explain why I'm a better lynch.
We have all the claims already ? I need to make a Claim Sheet for this game will get on to it and hopefully be able to post it before Day ends.
Seperiel failed at his/her claim. A town survivor must be alive at the end of the game and win with the town while this is what she claimed:
"I must be alive at the end of the game or win with the town" (something along those lines). This is a contradiction and obviously a failed false-claim. Lets lynch her.
Joboman, Paranoid Noob Town RRRU
Mafia Record:
5-1-2 (Alignment)
1-6-3 (wins/incomplete/lose)
Failing to produce a result last night, lying about a vig shot to produce a claim from Rianalnn, lying about Vezo being a cop at first, etc.
Seeing as how you haven't produced a "real" result outside of barning Vezo's Seppel case, I fail to see why we should expect results from you in the future.
Despite the fact that Arcadic and Infinis got town results on Rianalnn, you still seem to believe that him and Arcadic have concocted a conspiracy to get you lynched. Yesterday you made a post that read:
Yet you didn't send in an investigation on Shalako last night, but Rianalnn. And today, you're not voting Shalako, and while he finds you scummy, he's not voting you. Anyone else see this?
@Joboman: The case against you is real. Your play this game has been illogical, as your actions do not gel with your supposed role of cop.
[Mafia Stats] Mafia MVP: 1/3 Basic #29,Co-[CCMV]
Considering that nuetral survivor is a really cruddy role by itself, assuming sepir is really a survivor, I would be more inclined to believe that sepir could have the alternate win, rather than the tougher win.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
It wasn't a comment specifically to you.
I`m used to having cases/wagons on me.
But it hasnt happened yet.
Its part of the reason Ive been feeling unconformable this whole game.
or maybe I am getting better
oh and If You guys lynch me because of me not fitting my town meta I can cite this game for the rest of time.
so yeah worth it in the long run.
I is scummmmz
[COLOR="DarkRed"] But I`ll Vote J-[/COLOR]
Oh hai.
This more or less.
Vote Sepiriel.
It depends on the player; ie Seppel`s is not, but Say Rin`s would be.
Very.
If you do it with giving a well thought out and conhernt reason.
also if you say you will be willing to do what ever the rest of the town wants to do.
oh wait.
[COLOR="DarkRed"]unvote vote lost profit[/COLOR]
I don`t think he thought you were the SK at that point.
Correct?
[COLOR="DarkRed"]@ALL[/COLOR].also is Zin fitting his scum meta?
bastard mod.
how much you wanna bet whomever the tracker targets goes crazy?
{Self meta stuff.}
Null because of my role.
Also don`t find joboman scum.
I just don`t know if he is scum hiding behind faults or Town angry with the wagon on him who feels that he made the right plays and doesn't understand why people are voting him.[/Color]
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Misrep #1
This was not lying nor decietful, it was that I was extremely busy during that period of time and I wasn't able to/forgot to submit an investigation.
Misrep #2
You've got me, this is my one time that I've tried to gambit to try to catch a scum. I did not, however, claim a vig shot so that Rianalnn claimed. If you go back and look at his post you'll see that Rianalnn claimed because of my gambit, but my intentions of the gambit where not in any way to get them to claim.
Misrep#3
I never lied for Vezo. As soon as I looked and found out that he was a cult I actually helped the town by outing him.
Misrep#4
Are you forgetting about those two PBPA's that it took to get Seppel Vigged, that took hours of my time to do? Vezo never made a single case for Seppel, and he just barned my case.
This is just a plain out logical disconnect. How does you thinking I've never made a cause (proved to be not true) make you think that I'll never get cop results? These two things have nothing to do with each-other.
Misrep #5.
If the bolded words is another way to say "scum-driven wagon", then yes I thought that they were trying to get a mis-lynch on me. How is that scummy?
Do you remember That PBPA that took another hour to write that was outlining Rianalnn and Seppel's strong connection?
So do you think that we're scumbuddies?
As I've shown, its clearly not.
This is not a scum-tell.
This is the first time you've mentioned this.
If there's anything more I could clear up that'd be useful.
Joboman, Paranoid Noob Town RRRU
Mafia Record:
5-1-2 (Alignment)
1-6-3 (wins/incomplete/lose)
Sep mentioned specifically how he was angry because his role made it harder to win.
My case is still valid.
Joboman, Paranoid Noob Town RRRU
Mafia Record:
5-1-2 (Alignment)
1-6-3 (wins/incomplete/lose)
I see I must expand upon that comment.
1. You targeted someone besides Guardman.
2. You targeted Guardman/cy went crazy.
SO.
Assuming you are telling the truth
1. every time Guardman is targeted someone else goes crazy(this would be interesting if it was similar to a triggered ability, because It would trigger my ability.)
or
2. Every Time Someone targets Guardman they go crazy.
Option 3 says that they are a cult and if they get targeted/they target guardman they become cultists and you are lying about Guardman/you not getting Pms about it.
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@shalako why haven't you voted any of the lynches?
12-11? I'm losing track
I like where you (and Infinis in his last post) are going with this line of thinking, but I targeted Guardman and didn't go crazy, so #2 is invalid.
I could definitely see Guardman being a role meant as a trap for investigative roles.
"...a talisman against all evil, so long as you obey me."
*cough**cough*Option 2/3*cough**cough*
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Additionally the fact i would be Neutral and hence would not be able to accomplish 50% of my wincon that way means it would make no sense to have a neutral alignment (look at Nai for example)
For me survivor IS a harder role to win with, I like lasting until the end regardless of the fact i win with the rest of the town (i make it a personal goal of mine to last as far into the game as possible), but a survivor is a) a role most people consider expendable/useless/usually not counting towards the tally of town vs scum for purposes of standard Scum Win (or at least i understood the role to not count) and b) its the first time i play one, not surprising since its my 4th game all together, and i always consider a new role as difficult to win with.
And in all honesty your case on me is about as valid as your case against Rian.
Offtopic: Did i actually say angry? i thought i said annoyed but regardless the sentiment is correct as stated by my reasoning above.
My ISP i think finally fixed the problem with my connection (had to change service, still same ISP but it is a different system they use), that means i will be able to finish that Claim Sheet i was trying to do later tonight and hopefully the game wont be into night by then.
1. All the remaining scum are on the wagon
2. Jobo is scum and scum is avoiding the bus
3. We have smart scum
4. We have lurking issues
I'm not elaborating on #3 because it'll be my case tomorrow if I survive the night. Bread crumb if I die
I don't think jobo is scum so #2 is no go.
Wagon analysis will solve #1 as more people flip.
As for #4 could be. Do we have cyouni claim yet
12-11? I'm losing track
Updated: 05/24/11
[The Family]
Hmm that's interesting, looks like I've caught you in a lie. Lets look at what you've said before:
The problem with this is that I've been a town survivor before, and the role actually looks something like this:
This seems to me to be a noob mistake made by Sepiriel.
What does this mean?
Totally invalid argument. You're saying that it makes no sense for you to be a neutral survivor with a town survivor's wincon, which is true, but we're arguing that you're a neutral survivor with a neutral survivor's wincon.
But with you're role its Easier to win with. Does anybody else see this blaring contradiction here?
Not if you were a real town survivor that actually HAS to win with the town AND survive.
Unrelated.
Where is your support for this? How is there a correlation between your case and Rian's case?
Guys, this guy made a huge scum-slip, failing in a claim. *Punctuation done by me for clarification*
Joboman, Paranoid Noob Town RRRU
Mafia Record:
5-1-2 (Alignment)
1-6-3 (wins/incomplete/lose)
I just noticed this - exactly what "extra leverage" were you referring to? What leverage was there in the first place?
(The answer is none.)
I was under the impression the RB was dead.
Hold on. You said yourself that you "remembered that you forgot the investigation, but decided to send it in despite not believing it'd work". You also said something else, but I ccan't remember what right now. I'll try again after I've gotten some sleep.
How does that align with what you're saying now?
Peripheral? Negative interactions? Back your assertions up. On both counts.
Simple. You're not telling the truth about your role. You're either completely lying scum, or halfway lying neutral about the "win with the town" part.
Yes. Exactly what conclusions have you drawn from doing all that?
You haven't said anything.
Asphodel Meadows.
For those who do not want to read, joboman made up **** and when I called him to back it up, he started going "it's there if you actually look, your job not mine to look". It was pretty blatantly obvious. Oh, and there, he had "no reason" to do that. Oh, and there he was scum.
So yeah, joboman, you are [b]that[/b] bad.
I just included this because I find it so amusing that you're attempting to argue this.
"I had this completely different role therefore he's lying."
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Town Enabler. No active abilities. No idea who/what I'm enabling to work.
Hammering is fine now.
Some stuff may not be coherent - I have had like no sleep for the past three days.
May have to replace considering the work coming up. Would really hate to do that.
Perhaps this means you're "enabling" the crazy that's been spreading. I've never heard of this role but then again there are many bastard roles I've never heard of.
After tonight we'll be able to determine if the crazy is still spreading.
Extra as in anymore than they have already. The word "Extra" does not assume that they have something, nor does it assume that they have nothing to work with.
How does it not align with what I'm saying now? I don't see what the issue is.
So as scum I didn't want to go back and find stuff for people when it was clearly not my job to?
And, how does not wanting to do other peoples' work for them make me bad? Are you honestly saying that this is a scummy thing?
No I'm saying this:
1. Every single time I've seen it, a Town survivor works the way I've Indicated, rather than what Sep's claimed. Looky Here: http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Survivor
And I quote,
2. His role, as stated, makes it easier to win yet he's stated that he thinks its more stressful because its harder to win.
Joboman, Paranoid Noob Town RRRU
Mafia Record:
5-1-2 (Alignment)
1-6-3 (wins/incomplete/lose)
So yes, it is possible , yet unlikely, that there is a Town Survivor role that works like Sep's claimed role. The only problem is that what he's said about his role being unfun contradicts with the fact that the role is easier to win with.
Joboman, Paranoid Noob Town RRRU
Mafia Record:
5-1-2 (Alignment)
1-6-3 (wins/incomplete/lose)
Can we lynch jobo now please?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Updated: 05/24/11
[The Family]
I'm town. Lynch Sep plz peoples, he's obv scum. Other than that, please pick apart my wagon.
Joboman, Paranoid Noob Town RRRU
Mafia Record:
5-1-2 (Alignment)
1-6-3 (wins/incomplete/lose)
After much deliberation, joboman was finally strung up for his lies.
Joboman, Sane Cop has been lynched. It is now Night 4, actions due by Wednesday 12/8, 9 PM CST.
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The town goes to Infinis' house and breaks in when he doesn't show up in the town square for roll call. They find a puddle of sludge in his bed; someone does some tests and realizes this is a shapeshifter's natural form after death. There's also a textbook on "turning non-human creatures human" sitting on the door and a knife floating in the remains.
Infinis, Town Shapeshifter (Sane Cop/Doctor/Dayvig) has been killed.
Also, Cyouni got naked and ran around town all night, still borrowing Guardman's "I MIGHT BE SCUM" sandwich board and screaming "THE END IS NEAR!"
12 alive, 7 to lynch.
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After Taylor came back to me as 'town', and died as Godfather, I just assumed that meant he would have investigated as town normally (as Godfathers usually do) and so that meant my result should have been 'scum' if he were scum.
This plus my Seppel result seemed to confirm me as naive.
BUT! Tonight I investigated myself and got a scum result! So this almost 100% means I'm actually insane and Taylor was a Godfather without the typical ability (or the mod somehow screwed that result up).
Either way, this means that my town result on Zindabad no longer means diddly.
Vote: Zindabad.
Also, in regards to Jobo shenanigans and everything; anyone else notice that he was revealed as just "Sane Cop" and not "Town Sane Cop" as all other dead town are showing up?
Plus this would be a suicide gambit, the likes of which I haven't seen since the meadows if AI is gambitting.
Also yay! I didn't go crazy last night!
Also interesting is Zindabad saying he cures non-humans, yet Infinis a mod confirmed non-human was town. If they are town why do they need to be cured. Something in his story isn't adding up.
Vote Zindabad
Oh, Arcadic looks worse after Jobo turning up town, and with me now not being naive.
You being reportedly unable to target him last night is also interesting.
D'oh. Didn't re-check that, but when it was originally posted on page 1, it said the same thing as the lynch post.
Mystery solved, anyhow.
Sorry about that. For whatever it's worth, I can confirm one person - assuming it is you - targeted Arcadic.
In what way?
Updated: 05/24/11
[The Family]
We need to hear what Arcadic and Zindabad have to say regarding their actions last night.
Ria's getting redirected is bizarre, L_P claimed redirector, so obviously we need to hear from him too.
Still surprised that Jobo flipped town after his behavior yesterday.
Updated: 05/24/11
[The Family]
I didn't see that. That's what I get for playing too much mafia during finals week.
I was looking for confirmation that you were responsible for the redirect and something else wasn't.
Question time!
Do we speedlynch or try to figure out whats going on with the crazies or find the last scum?
Why did you decide to track me Rianalnn?
My wife was on MTV with this video.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUutIZg2EpU
I say we all reread him, see who he interacted with, lynch him, the cops investigate said person/s tonight, then tomorrow we repeat the process.
vote Zindabad
Nai, Former Inmate/Town Postminer SK/Mason lynched Day 1
Pale Mage, Town Vig died Night 1
Toastboy, Town Retarder died Night 1
vezokpiraka, Cult Leader lynched Day 2
Taylor, Mafia Godfather died Night 2
jscolton, Mafia Roleblocker died Night 2
red_omega, Town Super-Duper-Super-Saint died Night 2
Archmage Eternal, Town Paranoid CPR Doc died Night 2
Seppel, Mafia Mason Infiltrator shot Day 3
Nakamura, Town Double Voter lynched day 3
Dagger, Town Backup Superman killed Night 3
Joboman, Town Sane Cop lynched Day 4
Infinis, Town Shapeshifter killed Night 4
rianaln, Town Watcher
The Ice King, Town Doc
lost profit, Town Redirector
AmbassadorLaquatus, Town Doc
Cyouni, Town Enabler
Shalako, Town Paranoid Gun-Owner
jskura, Town Mason
AlphaInsidious, Town Cop (Insane)
Sepiriel, Town Survivor
zindabad, Town Psychiatrist
Guardman,
Arcadic, Town Cop (Insane)
What are the odds of having one sane cop, two insane's and a Shapeshifter who for all we know was also a part time sane cop?
That aside Zinda the Shapeshifter died and the morning scene appears to hint at your involvement somehow so, who did you target, why and what result did you get?