Jobo? Look at anita blake. He is reacting the *EXACT* same way here as he did there. You want a scum? There's one.
I agree.
AE? You got scum loran
arguing*FOR* his survival, but not for the whole game, just til tomorrow. Makes me suspicious.
Jobo is ALSO in support of AE, and jobo is SUPER scum. (seriously, you dont believe me, look at Anita blake, hes using the same ☺☺☺☺ing phrases for ☺☺☺☺s sake).
Wow. Can can anyone *NOT* see that jobo and AE are scum?
Nor do i like Loran.
I may be a lowly "Anti-town Neutral", but lets be realistic, AE is NOT a pro-town role, and i DO believe he probably has a one shot. I do not trust him, and believe he should die. Right here, right now. Anyone arguing otherwise... Ive yet to see a TRULY good argument as for why to keep him alive. And loran arguing that he SHOULD be kept alive is all the more reason he should die. Loran is scum.
Really? Then please comment on some of our reasons why to keep him alive for one day then. Very easy to say there's no truly good argument when you completely ignore all arguments.
Top 3 scum:
Loran, AE, Jobo.
Reasons? Loran - he usually gets more aggressive and arrogant as scum then as town. Something ive noticed, often feels he can push townies around as scum. Dont know why.
AE? You got scum loran arguing *FOR* his survival, but not for the whole game, just til tomorrow. Makes me suspicious.
Umm hmm. He claims a ONE SHOT ABILITY. That's not a good enough reason to ask for him to survive till tomorrow?
Also, show examples of "aggressive and arrogance" please.
Jobo is ALSO in support of AE, and jobo is SUPER scum. (seriously, you dont believe me, look at Anita blake, hes using the same ☺☺☺☺ing phrases for ☺☺☺☺s sake).
And when you add those to his terrible claim?
Im voting pretty strong down the line that AE is scum with a decently powerful one shot ability.
Im voting that loran and jobo know this and are trying to support him surviving a night to use it before death. (Loran is known for tying himself to fellow scum in a abstract distant way. Look at his scum games to see)
It seems simple, and im amazed none of you see it.
Yep, it's simple that no one else sees a 3 member scum group with no alignments proven. Clearly everyone is crazy for not seeing it.
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[/b]Really? Then please comment on some of our reasons why to keep him alive for one day then. Very easy to say there's no truly good argument when you completely ignore all arguments. Umm hmm. He claims a ONE SHOT ABILITY. That's not a good enough reason to ask for him to survive till tomorrow?
Also, show examples of "aggressive and arrogance" please. [b]
Yep, it's simple that no one else sees a 3 member scum group with no alignments proven. Clearly everyone is crazy for not seeing it.
The knee-jerk aspect of this post is extremely telling, especially for Loran.
Gah! I am behind! I'm currently on page 7 (my reason for this atrocity is working 8 hour shifts in 100 degree weather makes my brain unable to process well, so I have a further limited attention span for mafia) so far my major read is on AE for saying he wanted the deaths of two claimed neutrals between a lynch and a vig while voting Loran.
The knee-jerk aspect of this post is extremely telling, especially for Loran.
Knee-Jerk aspect? You really haven't come up with a single actual scum tell reason for saying i'm scum yet...that's impressive even for you Cyan.
Disagreeing with you for valid logical reasons does not a scum make. Despite how omniscient you may think you are.
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Knee-Jerk aspect? You really haven't come up with a single actual scum tell reason for saying i'm scum yet...that's impressive even for you Cyan.
Disagreeing with you for valid logical reasons does not a scum make. Despite how omniscient you may think you are.
Loran also does not resort to attacks like this, particularly against me, when he is town.
@Loran: I actually did put forth a couple of reasons that I thought you were scum. Your response was to say that me thinking you're scum is 'very silly'. How could I not acquiesce to such an astute self-defense, right?
In the context of this game, Kpaca and SB are anti-town neutrals. They do not care if the town wins, and if the scum are winning, will go along with them in order to facilitate their own win. Anti-town, pretty simple. I don't see how anyone can ever argue otherwise.
Them being able to dodge a vigging really troubles me. Still can't see lynching them, but it's a concern. Because they're not going to act on behalf of the town, no matter how much they say they will, unless the town has an impressive lead. You can't fault them for this, it's just reality. They have to play to win.
I guess I'm starting to doubt my analysis of AE now. RobRoy seems very town to me this game, and as town he generally has good town reads. Unvote
Wow. Is this a first? When has Cyan ever done this ever? Lynch AE! Lynch AE! THIS IS THE MOST OBVIOUS LYNCH IN THE HISTORY OF OBVIOUS LYNCHES. DO IT NOW.
Oh wait, RR has doubts? Unvote.
My mind is blown.
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Wow. Is this a first? When has Cyan ever done this ever? Lynch AE! Lynch AE! THIS IS THE MOST OBVIOUS LYNCH IN THE HISTORY OF OBVIOUS LYNCHES. DO IT NOW.
Oh wait, RR has doubts? Unvote.
My mind is blown.
What do you actually think about this rather than just acting suprised?
And honestly, you guys are setting a fair double standard for me. If I don't let off of AE, it's just 'oh Cyan is just being a bulldog again, guess we'll ignore him'. If I do, it's 'zomgwtfbbqhaxxors Cyan unvoted someone, he must be scum'.
And honestly, you guys are setting a fair double standard for me. If I don't let off of AE, it's just 'oh Cyan is just being a bulldog again, guess we'll ignore him'. If I do, it's 'zomgwtfbbqhaxxors Cyan unvoted someone, he must be scum'.
In all honesty I can never tell when you're scum Cyan. You ALWAYS act like this.
Also:
Loran also does not resort to attacks like this, particularly against me, when he is town.
This is meaningless meta arguments with no backing. I've mentioned many times that you always tend to home in on players and act as if you're never wrong.
@Loran: I actually did put forth a couple of reasons that I thought you were scum. Your response was to say that me thinking you're scum is 'very silly'. How could I not acquiesce to such an astute self-defense, right?
None of your reasons are actual reasons. They all are like, OMG he wants AE to survive! He says ignore the result, that means he wants WIFOM!
Seriously....you're being beyond silly at this point.
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There are too many strong personalities in this game. The level of drama is getting to be quite ridiculous, actually.
Archmage Eternal is probably scum. joboman could be scum. Cyan could be scum. Everyone else I don't feel strongly about aside from a few town reads (Axelrod, Zchinque).
I don't like that we're just spinning our wheels with no solid targets.
I don't have blind faith in RobRoy's read because I've never played in a game with him before and have no idea what his scum play looks like.
I don't expect that I'll move my vote except to one of the other two players mentioned above barring some grand revelation.
Yeah with all of these recent posts I've begun to realize the error in my thought process that there is a distinct harm in letting AE live another day. Vote: Archmage Eternal
So by now you've /barned with a vote against AE, /barned again with an unvote, and /barned yet again with a revote against AE.
Scummy or silly?
It should be beyond obvious after that flip flop from Cyan what the best idea is.
This is exactly the type of post I was talking about a few posts ago, btw.
@Loran: It's pretty well established that I'm good at reading you as scum. Feel free to try and hedge that now, but you've certainly admitted it in the past.
Cyan I appear to be being to subtle in what I'm doing, so let me tell you. I'm ignoring you because it is obvious to me you are scum, and your behavior aggravates me so I'd rather not bother dealing with it. Instead I will just point out your scummy posts to everyone and they can go from there.
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This is exactly the type of post I was talking about a few posts ago, btw.
@Loran: It's pretty well established that I'm good at reading you as scum. Feel free to try and hedge that now, but you've certainly admitted it in the past.
Errr no?
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I love Joboman, Poggy, Niv, and Vezok, because, while they may not be the best players, they still try to win. Having fun is the most important thing to a game, but I've learned that if you don't try to win, then you're ruining everyone else's fun.
And honestly, you guys are setting a fair double standard for me. If I don't let off of AE, it's just 'oh Cyan is just being a bulldog again, guess we'll ignore him'. If I do, it's 'zomgwtfbbqhaxxors Cyan unvoted someone, he must be scum'.
Thing is, it's not like RR made some kind of compelling case that AE was Town. That whole post could be summarized as "Seems to me most of his posting has been reasonable under the circumstances. I'm not feeling it strongly enough atm to want to lynch him before he has a chance to use his claimed ability." That latter part is something I suggested myself before that, and I seem to recall you were not particularly impressed with the idea of giving him a chance then. In fact you said "I despise the 'what if he is town' argument."
Now you are doing an extreme about face, on the basis that you trust RR and moreover, you trust his read of another player to the point where you are now apparently doubting your own heretofore unwavering opinion.
That's not a double standard at all.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
My reread hit posts by AE, not posts by people about AE. I remembered seeing meta arguments, but there seemed to be disagreement from people about how successful they were. If there is a generally accepted pro- or anti-AE meta argument, link me to it. Otherwise, I'm going to trust my in-game reads.
AE has pretty much admitted that his meta is to react with hostility to anyone suspicious of him. His argument is just that he's not doing that here, which he is.
I'm just posting here saying that all I have to say has really been said. I think AE and Cyan are scumbuddies and that I'd be very happy with either of their lynches today. I can't think of anything else useful to add, but if you have any questions please ask.
AE has pretty much admitted that his meta is to react with hostility to anyone suspicious of him. His argument is just that he's not doing that here, which he is.
The argument if I recall correctly was that I get hostile with anyone throwing suspicion onto me. Not here. Voted Jobo for his claim idea and the suspicion toward Cyan was his ignoring of jobo. If Jobo comes up scum good chance Cyan is.
If it is in fact the consensus for me to be tomorrows lynch then I suggest that SB target me then the town will have even more info regarding the neutrals.
The argument if I recall correctly was that I get hostile with anyone throwing suspicion onto me. Not here. Voted Jobo for his claim idea and the suspicion toward Cyan was his ignoring of jobo. If Jobo comes up scum good chance Cyan is.
If it is in fact the consensus for me to be tomorrows lynch then I suggest that SB target me then the town will have even more info regarding the neutrals.
Why would you want to 1-shot cop SB of all people? He's a neutral...
I'm not targeting him. He will target me. It was said I believe that players won't know of the color change, correct me if I'm wrong. But SB also said the player could get a power boost.
I'm not targeting him. He will target me. It was said I believe that players won't know of the color change, correct me if I'm wrong. But SB also said the player could get a power boost.
WHY THE HELL WOULD WE GIVE ONE OF THE SCUMMIEST PLAYERS A "POWER BOOST" ?!?!?
Current thoughts before I go and do a reread on a few people.
Really not liking Zajnet's revote. Since he barned for his vote, for his unvote, and for his revote it feels like he's just going along with the wagon here. "Ohhh, look AE's going to be lynched I should vote him. Ack, maybe he won't...better unvote. Blah, he's probably going to get lynched after all. Better vote him again."
AE: His posts still don't come across as town to me. He's on my reread list so I can figure out whether or not I want to take a chance at him living through the night.
Cyan: Axel brought up a really good point and I would like to hear your response. Rereading you too.
Zajnet's vote/unvote/revote are more likely to be town play than scum play. A scum would generally be too worried about looking like scum there to make that move.
As for Axel's point..shrug. I feel like RobRoy had more to say than what Axel is stating.
Finished a reread of AE and Zajnet. Would like to finish at least one more tonight. If anyone else is doing rereads, I would definitely suggest those two. I would happily vote either now. AE for reasons a million people have already mentioned, and Zaj because he hasn't really said anything this game (and what he has said hasn't been townie to me).
Stopping in to say that soon, hopefully tomorrow, I'll be posting my suspicion of probably the most underlooked and possibly the most suspicious person involved in the whole AE vs. Cyan fight: Joboman. His posts and votes read of waffling and opportunism. Tomorrow.
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If not, according that he is far scummier than any other suspect IMO, I will vote him to get him closer to L-2. Vote AE.
He claimed 1-shot Cop. Also Color of Cyan.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Finally done, and here's the conclusions that I have come to: AE is scum, Cyan and Joboman are both town. (lucky me. :-/)
I have no belief in the 1-shot cop claim. Also, I don't like the fact that he wants a power boost. We don't know what it is. What if it's an extra life? that would put us back 2 days, and that's the kind of thing we don't want in any game.
Well during the day I can say if I'm aware of anything due to the target. Then upon lynching you'll be able to see if my color is gold.
Hmm. If AE came up with this himself, it says very good things about his thought process. Unfortunately, we don't know if the scum can daytalk, and if they do, this request (like his claim) would have been geared only to get him to live one more day. I'm inclined to give him credit for it, but not too much.
I have no belief in the 1-shot cop claim. Also, I don't like the fact that he wants a power boost. We don't know what it is. What if it's an extra life? that would put us back 2 days, and that's the kind of thing we don't want in any game.
I dislike the level of fearmongering in this post. It reminds me a lot of a post I made when trying to justify a mislynch in my first game as scum. Since Bilbro has given me literally nothing else to read him on, I have no counterbalancing townie reads, and will unvote, vote: Bilbroxain.
A "cop" claim would sounds to me as something to not lynch (If not counterclaimed) , but I can see a One-Shot cop as a scum role, or as a lie :
A mafia one shot cop doesn't seem broken to me.
Even without a mafia cop, it's not that difficult for the mafia to guess the role for one player. (And there is less chance to be counterclaimed because of the weakness of the role. A true cop could find it plausible.)
But one thing I wonder, is this a claim like seen before (I believe it was yours Axelrod) with a doctor protecting the players targeting him? I mean, is AE meant to target, or is a player meant to target him for being copped?
A "cop" claim would sounds to me as something to not lynch (If not counterclaimed) , but I can see a One-Shot cop as a scum role, or as a lie :
A mafia one shot cop doesn't seem broken to me.
Even without a mafia cop, it's not that difficult for the mafia to guess the role for one player. (And there is less chance to be counterclaimed because of the weakness of the role. A true cop could find it plausible.)
But one thing I wonder, is this a claim like seen before (I believe it was yours Axelrod) with a doctor protecting the players targeting him? I mean, is AE meant to target, or is a player meant to target him for being copped?
Are you a new player Flew? Because seriously...
A. He didn't claim RoleCop, he claimed cop. If he's lying, he doesn't have to guess anything.
B. If he is telling the truth, HOW his cop-role works is not something we need to know.
Exactly WHAT is your point in this post, flew?
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But one thing I wonder, is this a claim like seen before (I believe it was yours Axelrod) with a doctor protecting the players targeting him? I mean, is AE meant to target, or is a player meant to target him for being copped?
The original Green Goo mafia role is the following: it turns whoever targets it into Green Goo. All of the Goo variations in standard mafia games deal with what happens when someone targets the Goo.
Therefore, Goo Mafia is bound to be based on targeting, hence why we all have the base ability to target other players. So Axel's claim makes perfect sense in the context of this game, but wouldn't in others.
Are you a new player Flew? Because seriously...
A. He didn't claim RoleCop, he claimed cop. If he's lying, he doesn't have to guess anything.
B. If he is telling the truth, HOW his cop-role works is not something we need to know.
A. A cop has not the role and only if the player is town or not? Ok, didn't know that. I was thinking the cop has everything.
B. YES, we need to know it. A full-claim is a full-claim. It will not change anything now if he is telling the truth, but if he is lying it will, because we will figure it out easier.
I want flavor from him. But I know he's lying.
If 4 people target me I become cop for the one I target. I don't believe we have a 1-shot cop and me the uber - watcher/tracker/cop both on the town side.
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This post serves no purpose in this game. Posting just to say you had your 1,00th post belongs only in a place like this. Also, don't call other users names ("stupid" a few posts below this one).
Stopping in to say that soon, hopefully tomorrow, I'll be posting my suspicion of probably the most underlooked and possibly the most suspicious person involved in the whole AE vs. Cyan fight: Joboman. His posts and votes read of waffling and opportunism. Tomorrow.
Hmm. If AE came up with this himself, it says very good things about his thought process. Unfortunately, we don't know if the scum can daytalk, and if they do, this request (like his claim) would have been geared only to get him to live one more day. I'm inclined to give him credit for it, but not too much.
Looking back, I see your point. Despite Archmage Eternal not being known for having a town mindset, he is definitely displaying one here.
Pros to lynching AE today:
His play was scummy at the beginning of the Day before he was under pressure.
His claim is one of the safest and easiest to fake.
If he is scum, we prevent him from using any abilities he has.
Cons to lynching AE today:
His play was townish near the end of the Day after he fell under scrutiny.
If he is town, his ability is very useful.
If StormBlind targets him and he is then lynched, we can get a better idea of how StormBlind's ability works and what effects it has on its target's alignment.
Other thoughts:
AE's wagon stagnated quickly after the claim, suggesting there was a reluctance for scum to bus scum-AE to death or that most of the scum were already on the town-AE wagon. I think lynching AE today or tomorrow would give us a lot of useful information about who was voting him.
Vigs (and scum) can't kill people who are being protected by the target-doc. (Kraj, as loran stated. ;))
I don't expect vezokpiraka to lie about his abilities given his meta of naive truthfulness (Heroes Mafia is a good example, though ongoing). However, it bothers me that he initially claimed only the tracking and watching aspects and is only now coming forward with the cop aspect. I say we give him a chance to prove these abilities before we decide if we want to lynch him.
I no longer think AE is the correct lynch for today based on how the wagon is fragmenting, especially since half of the people on it are squarely in my neutral-read category. (Zchinque and Syrenz I read as town, Talore, Zajnet, Flew, and vezokpiraka I have conflicting/neutral reads on, and StormBlind is a claimed neutral.) Lynching him tomorrow may be worthwhile, but there's also a good chance that the progression of our next lynch wagon and/or Night actions would reveal a superior strategy.
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I agree.
I'm scum because they are defending me? Really?
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Really? Then please comment on some of our reasons why to keep him alive for one day then. Very easy to say there's no truly good argument when you completely ignore all arguments.
Umm hmm. He claims a ONE SHOT ABILITY. That's not a good enough reason to ask for him to survive till tomorrow?
Also, show examples of "aggressive and arrogance" please.
Yep, it's simple that no one else sees a 3 member scum group with no alignments proven. Clearly everyone is crazy for not seeing it.
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The knee-jerk aspect of this post is extremely telling, especially for Loran.
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Knee-Jerk aspect? You really haven't come up with a single actual scum tell reason for saying i'm scum yet...that's impressive even for you Cyan.
Disagreeing with you for valid logical reasons does not a scum make. Despite how omniscient you may think you are.
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Loran also does not resort to attacks like this, particularly against me, when he is town.
@Loran: I actually did put forth a couple of reasons that I thought you were scum. Your response was to say that me thinking you're scum is 'very silly'. How could I not acquiesce to such an astute self-defense, right?
Wow. Is this a first? When has Cyan ever done this ever? Lynch AE! Lynch AE! THIS IS THE MOST OBVIOUS LYNCH IN THE HISTORY OF OBVIOUS LYNCHES. DO IT NOW.
Oh wait, RR has doubts? Unvote.
My mind is blown.
What do you actually think about this rather than just acting suprised?
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Nice theatrics though.
And honestly, you guys are setting a fair double standard for me. If I don't let off of AE, it's just 'oh Cyan is just being a bulldog again, guess we'll ignore him'. If I do, it's 'zomgwtfbbqhaxxors Cyan unvoted someone, he must be scum'.
In all honesty I can never tell when you're scum Cyan. You ALWAYS act like this.
Also:
This is meaningless meta arguments with no backing. I've mentioned many times that you always tend to home in on players and act as if you're never wrong.
None of your reasons are actual reasons. They all are like, OMG he wants AE to survive! He says ignore the result, that means he wants WIFOM!
Seriously....you're being beyond silly at this point.
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Archmage Eternal is probably scum. joboman could be scum. Cyan could be scum. Everyone else I don't feel strongly about aside from a few town reads (Axelrod, Zchinque).
I don't like that we're just spinning our wheels with no solid targets.
I don't have blind faith in RobRoy's read because I've never played in a game with him before and have no idea what his scum play looks like.
I don't expect that I'll move my vote except to one of the other two players mentioned above barring some grand revelation.
So by now you've /barned with a vote against AE, /barned again with an unvote, and /barned yet again with a revote against AE.
Scummy or silly?
This is exactly the type of post I was talking about a few posts ago, btw.
@Loran: It's pretty well established that I'm good at reading you as scum. Feel free to try and hedge that now, but you've certainly admitted it in the past.
Errr no?
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Thing is, it's not like RR made some kind of compelling case that AE was Town. That whole post could be summarized as "Seems to me most of his posting has been reasonable under the circumstances. I'm not feeling it strongly enough atm to want to lynch him before he has a chance to use his claimed ability." That latter part is something I suggested myself before that, and I seem to recall you were not particularly impressed with the idea of giving him a chance then. In fact you said "I despise the 'what if he is town' argument."
Now you are doing an extreme about face, on the basis that you trust RR and moreover, you trust his read of another player to the point where you are now apparently doubting your own heretofore unwavering opinion.
That's not a double standard at all.
AE has pretty much admitted that his meta is to react with hostility to anyone suspicious of him. His argument is just that he's not doing that here, which he is.
Firstly you did in fact FoS Cyan (just didn't bold it). Secondly, insinuating that someone is scum is the same thing as an FoS to me.
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The argument if I recall correctly was that I get hostile with anyone throwing suspicion onto me. Not here. Voted Jobo for his claim idea and the suspicion toward Cyan was his ignoring of jobo. If Jobo comes up scum good chance Cyan is.
If it is in fact the consensus for me to be tomorrows lynch then I suggest that SB target me then the town will have even more info regarding the neutrals.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Why is that?
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Well during the day I can say if I'm aware of anything due to the target. Then upon lynching you'll be able to see if my color is gold.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
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I'm not targeting him. He will target me. It was said I believe that players won't know of the color change, correct me if I'm wrong. But SB also said the player could get a power boost.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
WHY THE HELL WOULD WE GIVE ONE OF THE SCUMMIEST PLAYERS A "POWER BOOST" ?!?!?
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So you're supporting your scumbuddy now?
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What do you care? I'm going to be lyched, and that power boost (if its true) with me.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Really not liking Zajnet's revote. Since he barned for his vote, for his unvote, and for his revote it feels like he's just going along with the wagon here. "Ohhh, look AE's going to be lynched I should vote him. Ack, maybe he won't...better unvote. Blah, he's probably going to get lynched after all. Better vote him again."
AE: His posts still don't come across as town to me. He's on my reread list so I can figure out whether or not I want to take a chance at him living through the night.
Cyan: Axel brought up a really good point and I would like to hear your response. Rereading you too.
Think that about covers it for now.
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/blog.php?u=52729
As for Axel's point..shrug. I feel like RobRoy had more to say than what Axel is stating.
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/blog.php?u=52729
They have 48 hours to respond by posting in this thread.
EDIT: sarnathed by TACKY. Goo~
Goocount
Archmage Eternal (6) - Zchinque, AsianInvasion, Syrenz, Talore, StormBlind, Zajnet
Cyan (4) - kpaca, zindabad, Dancing Mad, joboman
loran16 (1) - Axelrod
TACKY (1) - loran16
Zchinque (1) - RobRoy
joboman (1) - Archmage Eternal
Falkonn (1) - vezokpiraka
With 21 Goo alive, it’s 11 Goo to Lynch.
We'll make you an offer you can't refuse.
Hosting: Vista Mafia
Hosted: Intrigue Mafia (Mini), Seance #43 (Basic), Conflux Mafia (Normal), Goo Mafia (FTQ), Experiment #26 (Basic)
Ongoing/Completed - 0/41
Town/Mafia/SK/Survivor - 30/6/4/1
NKed/Lynched/Survived - 15/11/15
If not, according that he is far scummier than any other suspect IMO, I will vote him to get him closer to L-2. Vote AE.
[The Family] pressed the "lynch" button, thinking it was labeled "lunch" .
[The Family] pressed the "lynch" button, thinking it was labeled "lunch" .
obvscum. His ability is fake claimed. I'm sure of it.
Cyan is town. kpaca is helping town but doesn't like Cyan.
This is the way to go.
So who will target me tonight?
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Archmage Eternal (8) - Zchinque, AsianInvasion, Syrenz, Talore, StormBlind, Zajnet, Flew, vezokpiraka
Cyan (4) - kpaca, zindabad, Dancing Mad, joboman
loran16 (1) - Axelrod
TACKY (1) - loran16
Zchinque (1) - RobRoy
joboman (1) - Archmage Eternal
With 21 Goo alive, it’s 11 Goo to Lynch.
We'll make you an offer you can't refuse.
Hosting: Vista Mafia
Hosted: Intrigue Mafia (Mini), Seance #43 (Basic), Conflux Mafia (Normal), Goo Mafia (FTQ), Experiment #26 (Basic)
Ongoing/Completed - 0/41
Town/Mafia/SK/Survivor - 30/6/4/1
NKed/Lynched/Survived - 15/11/15
He claimed 1-shot Cop. Also Color of Cyan.
Finally done, and here's the conclusions that I have come to: AE is scum, Cyan and Joboman are both town. (lucky me. :-/)
I have no belief in the 1-shot cop claim. Also, I don't like the fact that he wants a power boost. We don't know what it is. What if it's an extra life? that would put us back 2 days, and that's the kind of thing we don't want in any game.
Vote: Archmage Eternal
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Hmm. If AE came up with this himself, it says very good things about his thought process. Unfortunately, we don't know if the scum can daytalk, and if they do, this request (like his claim) would have been geared only to get him to live one more day. I'm inclined to give him credit for it, but not too much.
I dislike the level of fearmongering in this post. It reminds me a lot of a post I made when trying to justify a mislynch in my first game as scum. Since Bilbro has given me literally nothing else to read him on, I have no counterbalancing townie reads, and will unvote, vote: Bilbroxain.
A "cop" claim would sounds to me as something to not lynch (If not counterclaimed) , but I can see a One-Shot cop as a scum role, or as a lie :
A mafia one shot cop doesn't seem broken to me.
Even without a mafia cop, it's not that difficult for the mafia to guess the role for one player. (And there is less chance to be counterclaimed because of the weakness of the role. A true cop could find it plausible.)
But one thing I wonder, is this a claim like seen before (I believe it was yours Axelrod) with a doctor protecting the players targeting him? I mean, is AE meant to target, or is a player meant to target him for being copped?
[The Family] pressed the "lynch" button, thinking it was labeled "lunch" .
Are you a new player Flew? Because seriously...
A. He didn't claim RoleCop, he claimed cop. If he's lying, he doesn't have to guess anything.
B. If he is telling the truth, HOW his cop-role works is not something we need to know.
Exactly WHAT is your point in this post, flew?
Logical Reasoning is dead; Long Live Stupidity
The original Green Goo mafia role is the following: it turns whoever targets it into Green Goo. All of the Goo variations in standard mafia games deal with what happens when someone targets the Goo.
Therefore, Goo Mafia is bound to be based on targeting, hence why we all have the base ability to target other players. So Axel's claim makes perfect sense in the context of this game, but wouldn't in others.
@RR: Were you aware that Bil was previously ced?
"...a talisman against all evil, so long as you obey me."
B. YES, we need to know it. A full-claim is a full-claim. It will not change anything now if he is telling the truth, but if he is lying it will, because we will figure it out easier.
[The Family] pressed the "lynch" button, thinking it was labeled "lunch" .
If 4 people target me I become cop for the one I target. I don't believe we have a 1-shot cop and me the uber - watcher/tracker/cop both on the town side.
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That was my 1000th post.
This post serves no purpose in this game. Posting just to say you had your 1,00th post belongs only in a place like this. Also, don't call other users names ("stupid" a few posts below this one).
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You tell the vig to target me so you don't die but I target axelrod and will be saved.
How is that helping the town?
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I agree with TACKY who agrees with me.
Looking back, I see your point. Despite Archmage Eternal not being known for having a town mindset, he is definitely displaying one here.
Pros to lynching AE today:
His play was scummy at the beginning of the Day before he was under pressure.
His claim is one of the safest and easiest to fake.
If he is scum, we prevent him from using any abilities he has.
Cons to lynching AE today:
His play was townish near the end of the Day after he fell under scrutiny.
If he is town, his ability is very useful.
If StormBlind targets him and he is then lynched, we can get a better idea of how StormBlind's ability works and what effects it has on its target's alignment.
Other thoughts:
AE's wagon stagnated quickly after the claim, suggesting there was a reluctance for scum to bus scum-AE to death or that most of the scum were already on the town-AE wagon. I think lynching AE today or tomorrow would give us a lot of useful information about who was voting him.
Vigs (and scum) can't kill people who are being protected by the target-doc. (Kraj, as loran stated. ;))
I don't expect vezokpiraka to lie about his abilities given his meta of naive truthfulness (Heroes Mafia is a good example, though ongoing). However, it bothers me that he initially claimed only the tracking and watching aspects and is only now coming forward with the cop aspect. I say we give him a chance to prove these abilities before we decide if we want to lynch him.
I no longer think AE is the correct lynch for today based on how the wagon is fragmenting, especially since half of the people on it are squarely in my neutral-read category. (Zchinque and Syrenz I read as town, Talore, Zajnet, Flew, and vezokpiraka I have conflicting/neutral reads on, and StormBlind is a claimed neutral.) Lynching him tomorrow may be worthwhile, but there's also a good chance that the progression of our next lynch wagon and/or Night actions would reveal a superior strategy.
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