A somewhat weak suggestion was passed
To divulge man or woman en masse.
Some may have thought it a ploy,
But now I say, "BOY,"
A soft claim, started quite fast.
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Lies! -I'm Buffy Summers, town tracker. I used my ability on you and saw that you didn't use any abilities before the game started. My flavor is I was sucked through a mysterious space-time portal and I'm here to kill all the vampires, and my tracking ability is a combination of my Slayer and Native American skills.
These are both valid arguments and, coming from you, is enough for me to post my claim. I've already cleared it with StormBlind, so here it is:
I am Trance Gemini
Town Cop
I am a seer who was destined for a bright future. I've been drawn here (doesn't state by whom) to fight others, but I decided not to.
It also says I preached cooperation and inspired someone good.
I tried to investigate Cyan N0 because the OP didn't say I couldn't cop things when I read it. SB told me I could not and then edited the OP to say it.
Hmm. I was pretty sure that you had power role of some kind that you weren't faking. Your attitude and confidence implied that it was going to be something non-made-up but I figured that it would just be your scum-role (such as Cyan claiming Doc in Indiana Jones). I suppose it's still possible somehow that you are a scum-cop given the nature of this game but I don't really see how that would make any sense.
That is a pretty valid attack honestly. I admit that this has been my tendency as scum. I have honestly been busy though, this has been a big week. Satudrday or sunday, I'll get a real post in.
I really think MH is flailing hard. I'm happy to continue to press her. Vote MH
however, when I look at my name
I am unsure which gender I should claim
Haha, I'm going to say that's good enough.
Who knew a gender claim could be so tough?
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Lies! -I'm Buffy Summers, town tracker. I used my ability on you and saw that you didn't use any abilities before the game started. My flavor is I was sucked through a mysterious space-time portal and I'm here to kill all the vampires, and my tracking ability is a combination of my Slayer and Native American skills.
We go through with a soft claim of some kind. Gender?
Either that or we all get Cyan's PR. I would be down for that.
Roses are red, violets are blue
If we're going to do a soft claim let's get it over with quickly because there's more useful things to be doing and it's a mini anyway so we've got less chance to get anything out of the softclaim than we would in a larger game.
I'm really bad at rhyming. Lemme try again:
There once was a man from Nantucket.
His name was Infinis, and he was scum.
I like our adoption of the PR,
I'm sure it will take us all very far.
For the soft-claim, my character is male.
Lynching infinis will help us prevail!
BTW, that's L-2,
I'm sure we'd all like some claiming from you.
There's extraneous and irrelevant details in the above (rhyming Cyan...what does that matter?), but the argument would be fine if you believed she was scum. But you don't. The snark is hate, plain and simple.
The game has been fairly slow moving overall, and it had been less than a day between her comment and your vote. The game hadn't stalled. The wagon hadn't stalled, either. Manders was at a virtual L-2 given AKid's comment.
Not relevant to your vote (the issue on the table) since this took place afterwards. Not a terrible argument for her being scum, but (again) you don't think she is. Why is this in here?
Nobody's perfect.
This goes without saying, anyway.
You're playing both sides of the fence in your post (continuing a theme with you re: MH). If you were truly voting out of a desire to keep the game going, I would've expected to see an indication of that with the vote, not the snark.
If you really thought she was town, and you were town, you wouldn't be voting her. You'd be finding the scum on her wagon and putting them on the radar.
You are obviously not reading the thread...or is this meant to be a counterclaim? Please advise.
*eyebrow*
...if there is, we need to know this?
Is the movie on a loop?
I regret to inform you that it is the former situation rather than latter.
I fail to see the point of everyone rhyming?
I'm sorry for being inattentive, I have been focusing on other things. I can devote more time to the game now.
We live in a country were ~50% of the populace believe public schooling is a socialist conspiracy and that being called Einstein is an insult. We could try and fix it, but unfortunately the other 50% don't believe in euthanasia.
We live in a country were ~50% of the populace believe public schooling is a socialist conspiracy and that being called Einstein is an insult. We could try and fix it, but unfortunately the other 50% don't believe in euthanasia.
I'm amused that [Shalako], of all people, are talking about terrible reasoning. "Hey, PF's RVS daykill must be serious, therefore I should shoot him to prove that I have a daykill!"
I'm amused that [Shalako], of all people, are talking about terrible reasoning. "Hey, PF's RVS daykill must be serious, therefore I should shoot him to prove that I have a daykill!"
If he was a townie that was curious on how much leniency the post restriction had, why not either ask Cyan, or, if you don't trust him, PM StormBlind? Bringing attention to it in the thread just feels off to me.
3. A post! I asked Cyan for his rhyming scheme...nothing. I corrected in thread for transparency. Cyan could've chimed in at anytime to say he has x amount of strikes and that he was not punished for not rhyming; he didn't
Also you don't address the source of the ability and any indication this may have on Cyan's alignment.
I'm amused that [Shalako], of all people, are talking about terrible reasoning. "Hey, PF's RVS daykill must be serious, therefore I should shoot him to prove that I have a daykill!"
3. A post! I asked Cyan for his rhyming scheme...nothing. I corrected in thread for transparency. Cyan could've chimed in at anytime to say he has x amount of strikes and that he was not punished for not rhyming; he didn't
It feels to me like fishing because if Cyan loses his vote, I'm sure either he'll tell us or we'll figure it out.
Also you don't address the source of the ability and any indication this may have on Cyan's alignment.
This is pointless speculation at this point, as you pointed out in your first post, remember? You said there were too many people to try PoE at this time.
5. So how exactly will this make the thread grow? Please enlighten me. And then the reverse opinion, which I believe is fence sitting.
Yeah, fence-sitting on whether or not all of us rhyming will make the thread grow.
6. I dont know if this is sarcasm or a play on words. Yes on a soft claim and a clarification on gender claim? Really?
How is it a bad thing for him to provide his opinion on a soft claim or want to verify what we'll be claiming?
So what has SP done for town, 3 of 7 posts of content?
I don't like how you single one person out who hasn't posted much when there are others that haven't posted much either.
Also, where did you claim? I don't recall seeing your name or your flavor.
It feels to me like fishing because if Cyan loses his vote, I'm sure either he'll tell us or we'll figure it out.
Goes to my motivation. Again it would have been easier to PM the mod directly. So at this point your think Cyan is town and will be telling the truth? Because now I realize I have no reason too. It could be a ploy, it's already bot several people thinking he's town almost purely based on the PR.
This is pointless speculation at this point, as you pointed out in your first post, remember? You said there were too many people to try PoE at this time.
So my opinion is the end all be all? And still no motion on that front. Maybe the person who suggested we all rhyme?
How is it a bad thing for him to provide his opinion on a soft claim or want to verify what we'll be claiming?
His opinion is fine, verifying what we're claiming is filler. Soft claim source material will be better. And since we have the web and the mod, figuring out the source shouldn't be an issue.
I'm amused that [Shalako], of all people, are talking about terrible reasoning. "Hey, PF's RVS daykill must be serious, therefore I should shoot him to prove that I have a daykill!"
I'm against any sort of claim unless there's some solid reasoning backing it up. Without reasoning, it seems kind of like scum fishing for info.
Also, I really don't like it when people do things out of boredom. It's always used as an excuse for bad behavior, which should never be excusable in mafia.
Wait, what? Isn't she on your side, as it were? I'm confused.
Also, you guys are doing a lot of metagaming. (I'm not inherently against metagaming, but since I'm new here and haven't played with any of you, it leaves me at a disadvantage.)
I don't like how MH has been defending herself, but it sounds like she has a power role claim to back up her up.
I like Infinis's argument style, and dislike the way TFF is attacking him. It does seem manipulative. Upgrading my IGMEOY to FoS: TFF.
I agree that the rhyming curse seems slightly detrimental, and thus is slightly more likely to be a scum ability, but there's far too much uncertainty to draw any conclusions from it. The theory that it's a power belonging to a replacement player is also plausible.
6. One of the few who actually follow my arguments. Many just tl:dr or just play jenga with my arguments. I pulled one brick and down it comes. When that is rarely if ever the case.
And I'm still wondering where the replacement player theory came from, TFF?
While I see your point, and will file it away for future games, her statement seemed pretty blatant and deliberate to me, so I don't think there was really much of a trap there.
Hmm, yes, I think it's the power role hint is what's keeping me from voting (well, also that MMOD requested more time before a claim).
I'm not saying it clears her (because obviously she could be lying about it, and/or be scum with a convincing power claim), but it gives me definite pause.
Since you guys seem to be playing on a completely different level of mafia than I'm used to, what's the established strategy for dealing with this situation? My guess is you'll want to go through with it and see what she claims.
I'm amused that [Shalako], of all people, are talking about terrible reasoning. "Hey, PF's RVS daykill must be serious, therefore I should shoot him to prove that I have a daykill!"
I'm amused that [Shalako], of all people, are talking about terrible reasoning. "Hey, PF's RVS daykill must be serious, therefore I should shoot him to prove that I have a daykill!"
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3a. MH probably thought I was construing that she and DYH are scum. Hence the OMGUS. I am not. Exactly the opposite, I'm saying they are townies who chose someone that the restriction would be best suited for. Just as a vig, chooses who they think is most scummy and kills them.
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Darion from the Fionavar Tapestry series by Guy Gavriel Kay.
Cop and Vig in this size game worries me. Also worrying MH's Cyan like tunnel vision on me, not a single hesitation.
So I propose a Truth or Tale situation to avoid crossfire.
I'm amused that [Shalako], of all people, are talking about terrible reasoning. "Hey, PF's RVS daykill must be serious, therefore I should shoot him to prove that I have a daykill!"
I'm amused that [Shalako], of all people, are talking about terrible reasoning. "Hey, PF's RVS daykill must be serious, therefore I should shoot him to prove that I have a daykill!"
Except that you listed everyone in the game in MH pile, and thusly noone in Infinis' pile..
I believe that was the point.
Also, rhyming pile with pile? Yech.
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Lies! -I'm Buffy Summers, town tracker. I used my ability on you and saw that you didn't use any abilities before the game started. My flavor is I was sucked through a mysterious space-time portal and I'm here to kill all the vampires, and my tracking ability is a combination of my Slayer and Native American skills.
@players & mod: Sorry for the lack of posting. I was out of town but was pretty sure I'd have a chance to post some anyway. Turns out I was mistaken.
Anyway, some thoughts regarding the Infinis case:
My impression of Infinis was pretty good at first but degrading as the game has progressed.
I don't like how after getting the 5th vote on him he went on posting rhymes and random (as in, not related to his own case or defense) PBPA's instead of claiming.
I don't like how when he finally did claim, he quoted his own post from earlier in the game and seems to indicate that just because he kinda sorta vaguely breadcrumbed his role, his claim somehow more credible.
Vigilante also seems like one of those power roles that's very easy for scum to claim.
My impression of Infinis was pretty good at first but degrading as the game has progressed.
I don't like how after getting the 5th vote on him he went on posting rhymes and random (as in, not related to his own case or defense) PBPA's instead of claiming.
It wouldn't exactly be unheard of for a vig to be hesitant to claim.
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I don't like how when he finally did claim, he quoted his own post from earlier in the game and seems to indicate that just because he kinda sorta vaguely breadcrumbed his role, his claim somehow more credible.
This is a non-point. If he hadn't quoted his old post in this manner, a fairly standard practice in this situation, the cry would be that he just made up his claim on the fly.
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Vigilante also seems like one of those power roles that's very easy for scum to claim.
It is? Ever heard of counterclaiming?
Unvote, Vote: Marauder Moe.
Not really liking what I see right now.
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Lies! -I'm Buffy Summers, town tracker. I used my ability on you and saw that you didn't use any abilities before the game started. My flavor is I was sucked through a mysterious space-time portal and I'm here to kill all the vampires, and my tracking ability is a combination of my Slayer and Native American skills.
Well, sure. This was the result of a quick skim of posts made while I was away, not a complete case and call for lynch. I didn't vote, and I said I'd look at things more thoroughly later.
It wouldn't exactly be unheard of for a vig to be hesitant to claim.
It's not unheard of for any role or even vanilla to be hesitant to claim. That said, when you reach the threshold, it ought to be just about automatic, right? The whole reason the claiming system works is that people who refuse to claim get lynched, no?
This is a non-point. If he hadn't quoted his old post in this manner, a fairly standard practice in this situation, the cry would be that he just made up his claim on the fly.
And what is it that makes it less likely that he could have made up his claim when he wrote that other post?
It is? Ever heard of counterclaiming?
Is it always likely that there is a vigilante in this type of game?
Also you don't address the source of the ability and any indication this may have on Cyan's alignment.
I don't really think it has any indication on his alignment. It could have been a scum targeting a town Cyan hoping he'd just refuse to claim. It could have been a scum targeting Cyan just for the laughs, it could have been a town targeting Cyan just for the laughs, etc. There are really too many possibilities to try to just guess at it.
2) MH hinted at a power role claim, claiming "stupidity" and apologizing. But as soon as the wagon starts gaining speed she immediately says not claiming until L-2. The wagon stalled. The game stalled. I voted her to put her at L-2. And now bold as brass, she says maybe I won't do it. The Subtext being "Infinis is scum". Has she presented anything on me or engaged in debate like TFF with me? No. She rehashed old questions, asked and answered.
is quite similar to what he did in Indiana Jones when kpaca refused to claim at L-2. Infinis voted him to L-1, wanting to see who would hammer. This eventually led to a mislynch D1, as he was town. In my experience with Infinis, the most town-mindset I've seen him have was when he was scum in Joss Whedon.
Plus, his explanations do make sense if you look at them from a "what if he is town" standpoint. But, IGMEOY.
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So, as promised, my proposed list:
MandersHex: Everyone on my list are people that I cannot get a definitive read on (not that I can on anyone yet really). However, I am reluctant to put the best players in the game on the "Who do I want to kill first?" list. I would have a hard decision to make even with this list.
MMOD
DYH
Calvin
PaleMage
Cyan
Infinis
Infinis: There are people on this list as well that I can't get a read on them, but I wouldn't support Infinis shooting them because they seem town, but they had to be somewhere and I wanted the lists to be equal.
Akid - his explanations of his horrible vote don't feel sincere to me. Marauder Moe - He's just been barning people and not providing too much. MandersHex - Obv I wouldn't support a vig shot on her TFF - I wouldn't support a vig shot on him either. He seems pretty town, and I'm pretty confident in that, so don't really want to investigate him in this. SilentProphet - I understand Infinis' suspicions, but I get a town vibe from him so far. Hopefully he will begin contributing more. AlphaInsidious - This one I could have placed on either list, really. I really, really wouldn't mind investigating him, but he hasn't contributed too much yet, so I'd like to give him the time to start posting more. I happen to know school just ended for him, so this is highly possible now.
Firstly, AI and Moe, you wouldn't counter-claim as a vigilante, you'd shoot the faker. It's generally a terrible claim to make as scum, but moreso in larger games where the presence of a vig - especially given MTGS' track record - is more likely.
Given that this is a mini, the likelihood of a vigilante - especially with the presence of a claimed cop as noted by someone earlier - is slimmer. Also, the sub-claim could give some credit to his claim, but that was pretty well nested and didn't really indicate it was he, himself, as the vig.
So, basically, this could be a perfect storm for Infinis to have false-claimed the role in. But I'm still way too interested in AKid to toy around with the idea of lynching a claimed vigilante, anyway. I'm anxiously awaiting anything that remotely looks like content from him.
A few other notes:
I'm still good with a soft-claim.
Not sure I agree with Infinis' assessment of Moe; I still have an odd feeling from the "until" post and subsequent response.
I do like his thoughts around Silent Prophet; the second AK of the game.
So, basically, this could be a perfect storm for Infinis to have false-claimed the role in.
My (minor) concern with Infinis's claim is that he may be a SK. A SK's presence in a 12 player game would make a vig incredibly unlikely, for speed issues, and make it a fairly safe false claim. Also, Infinis's character would be an ideal neutral, as that was his role in the source material.
But that concern isn't nearly large enough for me to want to lynch our claimed vig. It is enough, however, for me to strongly suggest having him not use his ability today, especially since aggressive vigging is rarely helpful in small games anyway.
Ooph sorry, I've been off studying for my upcoming chem final. It seems that MH has really tied herself into quite a predicament, and it reads to me like flailing. I really don't like the appeal to emotion given her prior game experience, and what I understand to be her prior use of this ploy. I'll vote pending the results of the votecount (because MMoD asked us to not run her up)
2. Fence sit, while appearing to be active. And a second mention of MMoD.
That is a pretty valid attack honestly. I admit that this has been my tendency as scum. I have honestly been busy though, this has been a big week. Satudrday or sunday, I'll get a real post in.
I really think MH is flailing hard. I'm happy to continue to press her. Vote MH
3. Placate the attacker. Now, he's happy to press MH.
I regret to inform you that it is the former situation rather than latter.
I fail to see the point of everyone rhyming?
I'm sorry for being inattentive, I have been focusing on other things. I can devote more time to the game now.
4. More placating the attacker and a splash of appeal to emotion.
EBWODP: Unvote MH
I had been skimming when I made the vote, and had missed the claim, which I accept for now.
5. Oops
5 Posts with zero content.
So we have a player with 7 posts and one with 5 and I am the one who gets prodded because I was sick over the weekend? I could understand that if SP and AK were dropping Walls of text posts but that's not the case.
I'm amused that [Shalako], of all people, are talking about terrible reasoning. "Hey, PF's RVS daykill must be serious, therefore I should shoot him to prove that I have a daykill!"
Just end all your sentences with "you know?" and "you ho".
So, someone gave me a posting restriction, you ho. All of my posts have to rhyme, you know?. I get 3 strikes a day you mod ho, after which I lose my vote for the day, you know?
Example:
Pretty sure I'll just end up not having a vote today you know, because I despise posting restrictions you ho and don't think that they have any place in the game of mafia you know?
It seems likely that the person that did this to me, you ho, is one of the people that has posted in the thread already you know? Though I suppose it's possible that someone just snuck in you know, submitted an action against me, and didn't actually post to the thread you ho.(this doesn't seem likely to me you know, but it is at least possible you ho).
Anyway. Obviously this post was Strike 1 you know. Either I'll be voteless today you ho, or, I'll post almost none you know. What an exciting choice for me, you ho.
I don't think I've ever supported this sort of day 1 massclaim thing. Too little known to know if it would hurt us or the scum more - not to mention in this case how will source claim lock scum into anything? It's not like we're divided (as far as I know) into SOURCE A SCUM and SOURCE B TOWN. Also I'm always wary because of Shaman mafia.
Not to mention I'm firmly of the idea that this feels like it goes against some spirit of mafia if its just done every game.
Anyways, long posts are long. Haven't even got to last two pages yet.
Infinis' defense seems lacking to me. Tone of that post just seems wrong. There seems to be too much fluff and not enough explaining about why he thinks the PM came from a townie. I don't buy the "Townie tired of Cyan hounding innocents". Cyan's hounding only works when others feel the same way. If he put all that thought into that post about his posts, then he could've put more thought into why people think his argument wrong instead of burying it under that wall of text.
Dunno about Mander's Hex. Not sure yet if it's newb scum/town or just nothing.
Yeah so I'm more suspicious of Infinis right now.
10. A Post! Doesn't address MH wagon initially which at least two others were waiting for. He does go on to attack my reasoning about who PR Cyan, not by attacking the argument. By attacking my play style, bravo.
Of note here is I've been in at least 8 games with Cyan and I can't remember one where he didnt personally drive a wagon hard to get a claim from someone, and eventually get that claim. JW maybe the exception.
And then to further stall the MH wagon he fence sits, while others votes hinge on what he has to say? We waited for him not to be finished reading?
Eh, leaning scum on MandersHex since I last posted, but infinis' vote to force claim made me feel better, and she now claims cop.
Happy where my vote is. AK raises an eyebrow but I prefer Infinis right now.
12. Sure you're happy with your vote, takes less work than to do actual analysis. Here is he is now Captain of team TL:DR; MMoD, master of the Jenga Play! Didn't like my vote, so maintain vote. Forget all the back and forth, he didn't read them why should you!
Yes the tone of this post is angry. I got prodded and am two strikes away from being out after, I have been one of the main engines of the thread. And 4 heavy lurkers, a full quarter of the players get away with it, because of timing of my posts, and they conveniently post dribble when needed?
I'm amused that [Shalako], of all people, are talking about terrible reasoning. "Hey, PF's RVS daykill must be serious, therefore I should shoot him to prove that I have a daykill!"
EBWODP: Unvote MH
I had been skimming when I made the vote, and had missed the claim, which I accept for now.
Mmm. You probably were skimming, since if you saw that MH had claimed cop and everyone had unvoted you probably wouldn't have voted her. But this doesn't exactly display a pro-town attitude here; throwing out a vote on someone when you're not sure what the situation is exactly.
It feels to me like fishing because if Cyan loses his vote, I'm sure either he'll tell us or we'll figure it out.
This is pointless speculation at this point, as you pointed out in your first post, remember? You said there were too many people to try PoE at this time.
Yeah, fence-sitting on whether or not all of us rhyming will make the thread grow.
How is it a bad thing for him to provide his opinion on a soft claim or want to verify what we'll be claiming?
I don't like how you single one person out who hasn't posted much when there are others that haven't posted much either.
Also, where did you claim? I don't recall seeing your name or your flavor.
Why did you defend SP insted of letting him do that himself?
Not as scummy as barning completely less than a 100 posts in (barely 50)
So you have learned.
I claimed already.
Darion from the Fionavar Tapestry series by Guy Gavriel Kay.
Cop and Vig in this size game worries me. Also worrying MH's Cyan like tunnel vision on me, not a single hesitation.
So I propose a Truth or Tale situation to avoid crossfire.
I'm not sure that having both a cop and vig is too abnormal. We just finished Indiana Jones which had both of those and besides the game is supposed to be weird.
Vigilante also seems like one of those power roles that's very easy for scum to claim.
Vig is usually a false-claim for an SK or sometimes a mafia tough-guy. If the mafia don't have an extra kill to throw away to back up the claim normally they won't lock down their kill each night just to keep one member alive.
And what is it that makes it less likely that he could have made up his claim when he wrote that other post?
It means he had to be thinking of claiming at that point where there would be little reason to. I don't see it as a big plus but I definitely don't see it as a minus.
I like Infinis' PBPAs and agree with most of his points and opinions. I still see little to make me think he is scum and especially given his claim of vig I really don't want to lynch him.
Right now I'm not impressed with SP or AK. Both have a lack of content but AK is the bigger offender here because what little he has posted hasn't only been devoid of content but apologetic and doesn't display a town mindset.
I want to reread some people to get a handle on them because I don't have strong opinions on too many people right now.
PPE: @Infinis: I hope you're not calling me a lurker but I don't know who the 4 you are referring to and going by post count alone would make me the 4th but I hate this argument because I always provide so much more content in my posts.
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PPE: @Infinis: I hope you're not calling me a lurker but I don't know who the 4 you are referring to and going by post count alone would make me the 4th but I hate this argument because I always provide so much more content in my posts.
I did 4 PBPA, didnt include you. I looked at you, but you have actual content.
I'm amused that [Shalako], of all people, are talking about terrible reasoning. "Hey, PF's RVS daykill must be serious, therefore I should shoot him to prove that I have a daykill!"
Why did you defend SP insted of letting him do that himself?
I didn't like Infinis singling him out, but see that I spoke too soon as he has posted PBPAs on all the lurkers. It was nothing to do with SP specifically.
10. A Post! Doesn't address MH wagon initially which at least two others were waiting for. He does go on to attack my reasoning about who PR Cyan, not by attacking the argument. By attacking my play style, bravo.
... okay? If your reasoning for your argument is wrong then I see no reason why the argument should follow. Don't know where you think I attacked your style ("wall of text" comment?).
And then to further stall the MH wagon he fence sits, while others votes hinge on what he has to say? We waited for him not to be finished reading?
I did say "please". If you guys went ahead and forced her to claim then it's up to you to believe if what I said was made objectively or subjectively.
12. Sure you're happy with your vote, takes less work than to do actual analysis. Here is he is now Captain of team TL:DR; MMoD, master of the Jenga Play! Didn't like my vote, so maintain vote. Forget all the back and forth, he didn't read them why should you!
Yes the tone of this post is angry. I got prodded and am two strikes away from being out after, I have been one of the main engines of the thread. And 4 heavy lurkers, a full quarter of the players get away with it, because of timing of my posts, and they conveniently post dribble when needed?
Need mommy to kiss your boo-boo away infinis?
Of course I don't read posts. Who does? Overrated. First line, last line and you should get the gist of things. Nevermind that I was leaning scum on her (which in case you don't understand, means I was at least more on the MH is scum side, your side, of the argument - though that doesn't make me feel too much better about you - and it means that GASP I did read all those posts). Your vote was still ☺☺☺☺. Get over it. Stormblind prodded you, perhaps wrongly. Get over it. Don't bring me into your little tantrum.
This is Highlander mafia. I'm wary of any claimed killing role actually going and killing people. Vigging someone night 1 seems pretty risky as well. Personally I'd prefer to keep him around today, but not let him shoot (short of us finding two people who are obvlynches).
Well can't lynch a lurker. So four down. You and I have claimed. Two Down.
Cyan is town, by majority opinion. One more down.
That leaves 5 people to examine.
I'm guessing no one would support TFF vig, so that's 4 to go. Your list.
DYH
PaleMage
AlphaInsidious
Calvin
I''l bet all the tea in china I know which one out of that list you think is scummiest, MH.
So my list would be Akid, TFF, MMoD, and SP. 3 bandwagoners and TFF refuses to answer my simple question. Even if he has to ad hom me, saying I said it already right here idiot, I'd still like an answer, to:
WHERE DID THE IDEA that REPLACEMENTS HAVE ANY AFFECT OTHER THEN THERE INHERENT BEING ON THE ACTUAL GAME, come from?
I'm amused that [Shalako], of all people, are talking about terrible reasoning. "Hey, PF's RVS daykill must be serious, therefore I should shoot him to prove that I have a daykill!"
Of course I don't read posts. Who does? Overrated. First line, last line and you should get the gist of things. Nevermind that I was leaning scum on her (which in case you don't understand, means I was at least more on the MH is scum side, your side, of the argument - though that doesn't make me feel too much better about you - and it means that GASP I did read all those posts).
You are not reading. I was on the MH is town, acting like blatant scum, but still town.
Stormblind prodded you, perhaps wrongly. Get over it. Don't bring me into your little tantrum.
Nice deflection. You have added nothing to the game except stalling. And you continue to do so in the most hostile of fashions. You say you read posts, make a case.
This is Highlander mafia. I'm wary of any claimed killing role actually going and killing people. Vigging someone night 1 seems pretty risky as well. Personally I'd prefer to keep him around today, but not let him shoot (short of us finding two people who are obvlynches).
I'm amused that [Shalako], of all people, are talking about terrible reasoning. "Hey, PF's RVS daykill must be serious, therefore I should shoot him to prove that I have a daykill!"
You are not reading. I was on the MH is town, acting like blatant scum, but still town.
You argued with her and others did as well, and I was on that side; you drew the conclusion that she was town, but acting blatantly scummy. I just drew the conclusion that she was blatantly scummy. I disagreed with your claim-telegraphing and tone, I thought she was just being scummy. I admit I forgot you thought she was obv town when I typed up the last post - look at the time I posted before that I obviously knew where you stood if I remarked I didn't like your vote (since your stance was that she was town).
Nice deflection. You have added nothing to the game except stalling. And you continue to do so in the most hostile of fashions. You say you read posts, make a case.
What deflection? Your pbpa called me lurking and stalling. I explained why I wanted people to wait, it's pretty common for anyone to do when they're not up to speed. Other than that what else is there to say? You say I'm not adding anything to the game - I've said what I have to say about the state of the game, if you don't like it tough. If I'm not saying anything about people it means I have nothing to say about them, you want me to say that? No thanks.
I'm being sarcastic and hostile because you were being hostile and throwing a tantrum because you got prodded. Don't expect niceties from me if you're insulting me yourself. What the ☺☺☺☺ did you expect anyways? For me to take this like a ***** and act all nice? Get over yourself.
I'll make a case when I think it's needed.
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I would as well, bro.
It's the type of thing that could make the thread grow.
Of course, people may post even less. (the gall!)
Perhaps it's a bad idea after all.
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To divulge man or woman en masse.
Some may have thought it a ploy,
But now I say, "BOY,"
A soft claim, started quite fast.
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We're saying whether we're a dude or a dame?
I'm upset that MandersHex didn't rhyme.
Let's just forget it, and make some one as dead as Corey Haim.
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Hmm. I was pretty sure that you had power role of some kind that you weren't faking. Your attitude and confidence implied that it was going to be something non-made-up but I figured that it would just be your scum-role (such as Cyan claiming Doc in Indiana Jones). I suppose it's still possible somehow that you are a scum-cop given the nature of this game but I don't really see how that would make any sense.
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Err, what?
A barn vote on Infinis? Anything else to add?
I agreed to a soft claim first time round
not sure why it would be less than sound
however, when I look at my name
I am unsure which gender I should claim
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Sword of Truth-Town-Loss
LOTR II - Town-Loss
Indiana Jones - Town-Win
Manipulator - Town-Win
The Asphodel Meadows - Town-Win
Highlander - Neutral Survivor - Win
Haha, I'm going to say that's good enough.
Who knew a gender claim could be so tough?
Roses are red, violets are blue
If we're going to do a soft claim let's get it over with quickly because there's more useful things to be doing and it's a mini anyway so we've got less chance to get anything out of the softclaim than we would in a larger game.
I'm really bad at rhyming. Lemme try again:
There once was a man from Nantucket.
His name was Infinis, and he was scum.
Nope. Still no good.
Gender shouldn't be too hard to find
You could even probe SBs mind
Not sure of another claim option for us
That wouldn't throw PRs under the bus.
Happy now? lol
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I'm sure it will take us all very far.
For the soft-claim, my character is male.
Lynching infinis will help us prevail!
BTW, that's L-2,
I'm sure we'd all like some claiming from you.
I regret to inform you that it is the former situation rather than latter.
I fail to see the point of everyone rhyming?
I'm sorry for being inattentive, I have been focusing on other things. I can devote more time to the game now.
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I had been skimming when I made the vote, and had missed the claim, which I accept for now.
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Cyan: 1 (MMOD)
MMOD: 2 (infinis, Akid)
Infinis: 5 (TFF, MandersHex, Cyan, Pale Mage, SP)
Akid: 1 (DYH)
With 12 alive, its 7 to lynch.
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The situation is quite clear, MH's cries were oh so sincere.
Her tells were all scummy and her play that of a dummy.
But my gut told me and as did she
That she is town and upon these tells we should frown.
The claim of fence sit is in word just sh*t.
And as for soft claim of gender what a turd.
I think I'll claim the letter of my last name in the third.
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1. random vote
2. Nothing
3. A post! I asked Cyan for his rhyming scheme...nothing. I corrected in thread for transparency. Cyan could've chimed in at anytime to say he has x amount of strikes and that he was not punished for not rhyming; he didn't
Also you don't address the source of the ability and any indication this may have on Cyan's alignment.
4. Nothing
PM notes how long it seems for you to post.
And then you address AK think there is more to MH than just cop which you agree with?
And vote me, very nice case, I liked it.
5. So how exactly will this make the thread grow? Please enlighten me. And then the reverse opinion, which I believe is fence sitting.
6. I dont know if this is sarcasm or a play on words. Yes on a soft claim and a clarification on gender claim? Really?
So what has SP done for town, 3 of 7 posts of content?
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Why did you choose SP to do this on?
It feels to me like fishing because if Cyan loses his vote, I'm sure either he'll tell us or we'll figure it out.
This is pointless speculation at this point, as you pointed out in your first post, remember? You said there were too many people to try PoE at this time.
Yeah, fence-sitting on whether or not all of us rhyming will make the thread grow.
How is it a bad thing for him to provide his opinion on a soft claim or want to verify what we'll be claiming?
I don't like how you single one person out who hasn't posted much when there are others that haven't posted much either.
Also, where did you claim? I don't recall seeing your name or your flavor.
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His vote on my wagon for a minimal reason.
Goes to my motivation. Again it would have been easier to PM the mod directly. So at this point your think Cyan is town and will be telling the truth? Because now I realize I have no reason too. It could be a ploy, it's already bot several people thinking he's town almost purely based on the PR.
So my opinion is the end all be all? And still no motion on that front. Maybe the person who suggested we all rhyme?
It is, no matter how trivial. Question still stands how the PR can make the thread grow.
His opinion is fine, verifying what we're claiming is filler. Soft claim source material will be better. And since we have the web and the mod, figuring out the source shouldn't be an issue.
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Claimed my role and alignment.
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1. His link doesnt vibe with my flavor. In fact I was so disheartened I thought about dropping, but I said to myself let's stick with it.
2. Claims he didn't do it. I thought initially since he's new he wouldn't have done it if he's town, but that doesn't hold for scum
3. newb Town. FTW
4. see #3
5. Agreed
6. One of the few who actually follow my arguments. Many just tl:dr or just play jenga with my arguments. I pulled one brick and down it comes. When that is rarely if ever the case.
And I'm still wondering where the replacement player theory came from, TFF?
7. Was discussed already.
8. See #3
9. Speaks for itself
10. Nothing
11. Nothing
Sure I like him agreeing with my arguments, but most of the things of substance he said points to newb town.
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Only when you state "I'm sorry for my hypocrisy about claiming. How about the claim again since I can't find it?"
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You put me at L-2 with a scummy action after proclaiming me town, so yeah, I asked the town if they wanted me to claim.
However, you were the one who pointed out how wrong that was and showed me that I needed to claim, so who's the hypocrite now?
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Not as scummy as barning completely less than a 100 posts in (barely 50)
So you have learned.
I claimed already.
Darion from the Fionavar Tapestry series by Guy Gavriel Kay.
Cop and Vig in this size game worries me. Also worrying MH's Cyan like tunnel vision on me, not a single hesitation.
So I propose a Truth or Tale situation to avoid crossfire.
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What does this mean?
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I think that Infinis must surely die.
I propose that MH gets this pile: Cyan, DYH, PM, SP, AI, Infinis, AKid, Cal, MM, MH, TFF, MMOD
And your pile is everyone else.
Are you proposing that I investigate one of those people?
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Yes. And Infinis should vig someone from the other pile.
By splitting the player base into piles, you avoid investigating the person Infinis shoots.
Hmm, I will re-read tomorrow morning and make up some lists to propose.
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I believe that was the point.
Also, rhyming pile with pile? Yech.
Anyway, some thoughts regarding the Infinis case:
My impression of Infinis was pretty good at first but degrading as the game has progressed.
I don't like how after getting the 5th vote on him he went on posting rhymes and random (as in, not related to his own case or defense) PBPA's instead of claiming.
I don't like how when he finally did claim, he quoted his own post from earlier in the game and seems to indicate that just because he kinda sorta vaguely breadcrumbed his role, his claim somehow more credible.
Vigilante also seems like one of those power roles that's very easy for scum to claim.
Will do a more thorough re-read tomorrow.
I think these are weak attacks of Infinis.
It wouldn't exactly be unheard of for a vig to be hesitant to claim.
This is a non-point. If he hadn't quoted his old post in this manner, a fairly standard practice in this situation, the cry would be that he just made up his claim on the fly.
It is? Ever heard of counterclaiming?
Unvote, Vote: Marauder Moe.
Not really liking what I see right now.
Well, sure. This was the result of a quick skim of posts made while I was away, not a complete case and call for lynch. I didn't vote, and I said I'd look at things more thoroughly later.
It's not unheard of for any role or even vanilla to be hesitant to claim. That said, when you reach the threshold, it ought to be just about automatic, right? The whole reason the claiming system works is that people who refuse to claim get lynched, no?
And what is it that makes it less likely that he could have made up his claim when he wrote that other post?
Is it always likely that there is a vigilante in this type of game?
I don't really think it has any indication on his alignment. It could have been a scum targeting a town Cyan hoping he'd just refuse to claim. It could have been a scum targeting Cyan just for the laughs, it could have been a town targeting Cyan just for the laughs, etc. There are really too many possibilities to try to just guess at it.
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is quite similar to what he did in Indiana Jones when kpaca refused to claim at L-2. Infinis voted him to L-1, wanting to see who would hammer. This eventually led to a mislynch D1, as he was town. In my experience with Infinis, the most town-mindset I've seen him have was when he was scum in Joss Whedon.
Plus, his explanations do make sense if you look at them from a "what if he is town" standpoint. But, IGMEOY.
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So, as promised, my proposed list:
MandersHex: Everyone on my list are people that I cannot get a definitive read on (not that I can on anyone yet really). However, I am reluctant to put the best players in the game on the "Who do I want to kill first?" list. I would have a hard decision to make even with this list.
MMOD
DYH
Calvin
PaleMage
Cyan
Infinis
Infinis: There are people on this list as well that I can't get a read on them, but I wouldn't support Infinis shooting them because they seem town, but they had to be somewhere and I wanted the lists to be equal.
Akid - his explanations of his horrible vote don't feel sincere to me.
Marauder Moe - He's just been barning people and not providing too much.
MandersHex - Obv I wouldn't support a vig shot on her
TFF - I wouldn't support a vig shot on him either. He seems pretty town, and I'm pretty confident in that, so don't really want to investigate him in this.
SilentProphet - I understand Infinis' suspicions, but I get a town vibe from him so far. Hopefully he will begin contributing more.
AlphaInsidious - This one I could have placed on either list, really. I really, really wouldn't mind investigating him, but he hasn't contributed too much yet, so I'd like to give him the time to start posting more. I happen to know school just ended for him, so this is highly possible now.
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Given that this is a mini, the likelihood of a vigilante - especially with the presence of a claimed cop as noted by someone earlier - is slimmer. Also, the sub-claim could give some credit to his claim, but that was pretty well nested and didn't really indicate it was he, himself, as the vig.
So, basically, this could be a perfect storm for Infinis to have false-claimed the role in. But I'm still way too interested in AKid to toy around with the idea of lynching a claimed vigilante, anyway. I'm anxiously awaiting anything that remotely looks like content from him.
A few other notes:
I'm still good with a soft-claim.
Not sure I agree with Infinis' assessment of Moe; I still have an odd feeling from the "until" post and subsequent response.
I do like his thoughts around Silent Prophet; the second AK of the game.
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My (minor) concern with Infinis's claim is that he may be a SK. A SK's presence in a 12 player game would make a vig incredibly unlikely, for speed issues, and make it a fairly safe false claim. Also, Infinis's character would be an ideal neutral, as that was his role in the source material.
But that concern isn't nearly large enough for me to want to lynch our claimed vig. It is enough, however, for me to strongly suggest having him not use his ability today, especially since aggressive vigging is rarely helpful in small games anyway.
1. Nothing
2. Fence sit, while appearing to be active. And a second mention of MMoD.
3. Placate the attacker. Now, he's happy to press MH.
4. More placating the attacker and a splash of appeal to emotion.
5. Oops
5 Posts with zero content.
So we have a player with 7 posts and one with 5 and I am the one who gets prodded because I was sick over the weekend? I could understand that if SP and AK were dropping Walls of text posts but that's not the case.
So Vote: AK
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PBPA MMoD
1. Nothing
2. nothing
3. Null Tell. WIFOM for who PR Cyan
4. Nothing
5. Nothing
6. See #3
7. Nothing
8. Metagame argument, null tell
9. See #8, caveat I agree with Source Analysis.
10. Helping a scum buddy? Remains to be seen, waiting for follow up on MH
10. A Post! Doesn't address MH wagon initially which at least two others were waiting for. He does go on to attack my reasoning about who PR Cyan, not by attacking the argument. By attacking my play style, bravo.
Of note here is I've been in at least 8 games with Cyan and I can't remember one where he didnt personally drive a wagon hard to get a claim from someone, and eventually get that claim. JW maybe the exception.
And then to further stall the MH wagon he fence sits, while others votes hinge on what he has to say? We waited for him not to be finished reading?
11. Nothing
12. Sure you're happy with your vote, takes less work than to do actual analysis. Here is he is now Captain of team TL:DR; MMoD, master of the Jenga Play! Didn't like my vote, so maintain vote. Forget all the back and forth, he didn't read them why should you!
Yes the tone of this post is angry. I got prodded and am two strikes away from being out after, I have been one of the main engines of the thread. And 4 heavy lurkers, a full quarter of the players get away with it, because of timing of my posts, and they conveniently post dribble when needed?
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Mmm. You probably were skimming, since if you saw that MH had claimed cop and everyone had unvoted you probably wouldn't have voted her. But this doesn't exactly display a pro-town attitude here; throwing out a vote on someone when you're not sure what the situation is exactly.
Why did you defend SP insted of letting him do that himself?
I'm not sure that having both a cop and vig is too abnormal. We just finished Indiana Jones which had both of those and besides the game is supposed to be weird.
Vig is usually a false-claim for an SK or sometimes a mafia tough-guy. If the mafia don't have an extra kill to throw away to back up the claim normally they won't lock down their kill each night just to keep one member alive.
It means he had to be thinking of claiming at that point where there would be little reason to. I don't see it as a big plus but I definitely don't see it as a minus.
I like Infinis' PBPAs and agree with most of his points and opinions. I still see little to make me think he is scum and especially given his claim of vig I really don't want to lynch him.
Right now I'm not impressed with SP or AK. Both have a lack of content but AK is the bigger offender here because what little he has posted hasn't only been devoid of content but apologetic and doesn't display a town mindset.
I want to reread some people to get a handle on them because I don't have strong opinions on too many people right now.
PPE: @Infinis: I hope you're not calling me a lurker but I don't know who the 4 you are referring to and going by post count alone would make me the 4th but I hate this argument because I always provide so much more content in my posts.
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Sword of Truth-Town-Loss
LOTR II - Town-Loss
Indiana Jones - Town-Win
Manipulator - Town-Win
The Asphodel Meadows - Town-Win
Highlander - Neutral Survivor - Win
I did 4 PBPA, didnt include you. I looked at you, but you have actual content.
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I didn't like Infinis singling him out, but see that I spoke too soon as he has posted PBPAs on all the lurkers. It was nothing to do with SP specifically.
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I did say "please". If you guys went ahead and forced her to claim then it's up to you to believe if what I said was made objectively or subjectively.
Need mommy to kiss your boo-boo away infinis?
Of course I don't read posts. Who does? Overrated. First line, last line and you should get the gist of things. Nevermind that I was leaning scum on her (which in case you don't understand, means I was at least more on the MH is scum side, your side, of the argument - though that doesn't make me feel too much better about you - and it means that GASP I did read all those posts). Your vote was still ☺☺☺☺. Get over it. Stormblind prodded you, perhaps wrongly. Get over it. Don't bring me into your little tantrum.
This is Highlander mafia. I'm wary of any claimed killing role actually going and killing people. Vigging someone night 1 seems pretty risky as well. Personally I'd prefer to keep him around today, but not let him shoot (short of us finding two people who are obvlynches).
Cyan is town, by majority opinion. One more down.
That leaves 5 people to examine.
I'm guessing no one would support TFF vig, so that's 4 to go. Your list.
DYH
PaleMage
AlphaInsidious
Calvin
I''l bet all the tea in china I know which one out of that list you think is scummiest, MH.
So my list would be Akid, TFF, MMoD, and SP. 3 bandwagoners and TFF refuses to answer my simple question. Even if he has to ad hom me, saying I said it already right here idiot, I'd still like an answer, to:
WHERE DID THE IDEA that REPLACEMENTS HAVE ANY AFFECT OTHER THEN THERE INHERENT BEING ON THE ACTUAL GAME, come from?
Also, I'm willing to submit no kill.
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Unneeded.
You are not reading. I was on the MH is town, acting like blatant scum, but still town.
I put her at L-2, L-1 yeah feel free to rage, but L-2? I explained this but obviously you don't agree.
Nice deflection. You have added nothing to the game except stalling. And you continue to do so in the most hostile of fashions. You say you read posts, make a case.
Noted.
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What deflection? Your pbpa called me lurking and stalling. I explained why I wanted people to wait, it's pretty common for anyone to do when they're not up to speed. Other than that what else is there to say? You say I'm not adding anything to the game - I've said what I have to say about the state of the game, if you don't like it tough. If I'm not saying anything about people it means I have nothing to say about them, you want me to say that? No thanks.
I'm being sarcastic and hostile because you were being hostile and throwing a tantrum because you got prodded. Don't expect niceties from me if you're insulting me yourself. What the ☺☺☺☺ did you expect anyways? For me to take this like a ***** and act all nice? Get over yourself.
I'll make a case when I think it's needed.