None of the PBPA's posted really stuck out to me, but I'll have to re read them again.
I'm not exactly for a no-lynch, but I'm not against it either. At the moment, no one is really popping out as scum, so just not lynching anyone and seeing what happens during night could be a good option. On the other hand, we really need to hit scum soon.
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1. If the town isn't going to lynch the person I'm quite convinced is scum and we're in a good position for a no lynch, then yes, I will go no lynch. Overall, I think the town underuses the no lynch option.
Yeah, but you specifically stated in your post before, that 'there were no really good suspects'. The way you've worded everything makes it feel like you only want bman lynched if the town wants him to be lynched...otherwise, you don't care. It certainly doesn't seem like you're 'really convinced' of his scumminness; otherwise you would keep pushing for his lynch instead of opting for a no lynch. If you were really convinced of bman's scumminness, you wouldn't 'settle' for a no-lynch. You'd be gunning for him, trying to make sure that everyone sees his scumminness for what it is. Sort of like I'm trying to do with you.
Indeed. But that's exactly why more information is helpful.
We've had plenty of information so far...and I'm still confused about what has happened each night. Information is good, yes...but it can also be used against us. To manipulate us.
Also, I can't remember, is Gamerz usually this agressive?
Usually? No. But the game seemed to be at a standstill, and I felt a need to push your case more. Sometimes different situations need different tactics, and the 'trying to figure out what the heck is going on' stage seemed to be ending. Since I feel you are the strongest case to be scum, I thought I would finally start to put out why exactly I felt that way.
Odd thing though...with that question...do you suspect me to be scum? Cause you were pushing my towninness for the first 2 days. I realize that opinions can change, but you mentioned, not just once, but twice that I was town. The second time 'definitely town'.
If someone claims that they are an unlynchable, unkillable, octa-voter, with 4 daykills and 6 doc-protects, then technically lynching that person solely based on his claim would be gaming the mod, but I would be just fine doing that.
I think the No Lynch is a good option right now still. It's a relatively underused option for the town, and right now we're really starving for some kind of info.
I think the No Lynch is a good option right now still. It's a relatively underused option for the town, and right now we're really starving for some kind of info.
Vote: No Lynch
You're not thinking this through. If the mafia has claimed vanilla, and since they seemingly dont have a kill, they simply wont do anything and coast to victory since there's simply TOO many power discrepancies for the vanillas to be the first choice of lynching.
Lets face it, the power roles are nice, but will mostly be useless. Its just how it is. Doctors and nonkillables? Meh
Investigators: The mafia have EVERY reason to seem as real as possible and likely wouldnt do anything that doesnt jive with their claims. And Jerub is mostly useless in regards to catching anyone (I doubt they'd have to false claim considering the retarded claims we've seen so far).
We're looking at POE and analysis. Not power use. Jesus, stop being lazy and do some INVESTIGATING / ANALYSIS.
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As scum - 3/5
As town - 5/7
As neutral - none
(I really have been scum a lot)
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I'm good with this or Zebi based on the past couple of posts.
I think taking a look at Jerub is actually a good idea. Don't really love his flavor cop claim like I previously said as it's very easy to fake as scum.
Also there's the fact that Quebec is always trying to separate itself from Canada and thus could be seen as being against Canada, although this is a minor point as I'm not sure how much we can rely on flavor.
Not to be pedantic (ok, it is pedantic) but that's not exactly the question I asked. I wanted to know if townie role cop is exactly what your role title is, yes or no.
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As town - 5/7
As neutral - none
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One thing that has been bugging me about Jerub's flavour, is that it doesn't seem tied at all to his role. Every other claimed power role has a link between their role and their flavour (i.e. Snow has 'no-body', Eh requires looking for the word in the thread, Maple Syrup makes people sticky, stuff like that) How does Quebec get to be a role cop?
This isn't something that I don't I'm gonna vote over, but it does stick out to me as...odd. I'm still voting for Nom.
If someone claims that they are an unlynchable, unkillable, octa-voter, with 4 daykills and 6 doc-protects, then technically lynching that person solely based on his claim would be gaming the mod, but I would be just fine doing that.
Rereading Jerubaal I haven't found any real reason to think he's scum and I could see some of his posts coming from a flavor cop (minor points i.e. suggesting nameclaim, also persistent pushing of RafK to claim after having flavor copped him).
I need to do a more complete reread on the two claimed tracker roles as it does seem strange to have a double tracker as well as a regular tracker.
This is really sucking bad. We need to choose a direction and go with it, but people seem to be insisting on try to do everything in their power to do nothing.
I don't know if nom is town or scum. But I'd like to point out this type of behavior is his standard modus operandi.
Court Mafia: Day 1, hatch plan to KILL EVERYONE ELSE IN A SINGLE NIGHT, when the plan only allows him to hit 11 random players, ATTEMPTS TO FIRE ANYHOW (Roleblocked).
In other words....Nom is an impulsive player who doesn't think about planning long-term or listening to others. I wouldn't be surprised if he was town. At all.
You're all ☺☺☺☺ing retarded.
No lynch? Right. At this point, i am for the lynch of ANYONE who wants to no lynch, as it is strictly non-town behaviour.
And, whoo hoo. Guess who's on the no lynch train?
Let's take a look see:
Zebi - Claimed double tracker. Decidedly unhelpful this game.
Buranri - Claimed watcher/tracker-something. Has been awkward this entire game.
Nom Anor - Non-contributing, scummy, and now pushing to waste a day. DONOTWANT.
unvote, Vote Nom Anor
I've stated why i consider a no lynch retarded and not townie behaviour. I will vote for those pushing for it, as well as do everything in my power to oppose them. Naive townie or not, that is BAD PLAY.
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I'd like to hear what exactly the benefits of a no-lynch would be from anyone supporting it.
From the person who started it (near as i can tell)
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I think the No Lynch is a good option right now still. It's a relatively underused option for the town, and right now we're really starving for some kind of info.
Basically? Its LAZINESS. Too lazy to try to build their own cases, too lazy to even READ AND COMMENT ON EXISTING ONES. They want the game handed to them.
Ill be honest, this game has become a CHORE due to how little the majority of the player base CARES. I would suggest just flushing out the least contributing players here, but again, NO ONE CARES ENOUGH / THEY HAVE FREE RIDES DUE TO ROLE CLAIMS.
Lets do a quick review of the playerbase shall we?
2. Yodavader StormBlind - Me, Im pretty Active. Responding to things. Prodding for activity from people.
3. jerubbaal - Thinks im... something? Iunno, barely posts, usually isnt coherent, and very little contribution. Also a role cop, and ill be honest, he's played that pretty bloody accurately, and well. Scum or town? Unknown, but it would require GREAT play from a scum to have thought ahead this far, and less great play from a townie. So... ill lean townie annoyingly enough (I say annoying enough cause he has scummy posts, but the method in which he has played his role is totally town)
5. Gamerz - Town. Pretty Active. Voting Nom Anor. I like Gamerz
6. Zebi - Double 'eh' tracker. Persists in the values of a no lynch (likely so he can use his abilities.)
7. Nom_Anor - Scum. About as scum a scum as i ever did scum. My favourite part? His next post after i vote him:
I could see a stormblind or Jerubaal lynch tomorrow, but definitely not today He thinks im scum... but... isnt secure enough to try to force it today. Why? what are you afraid of?
8. RafaelK - Decently Active. Useful. Posts a fair amount. Probably town (UnNKable anything seems stupid tho in this setup)
9. Buranri - I honestly dont know. Tonnes of issues with his role information, mis labling, bad targetting, terrible posting. I honestly DONT know what to think about him. I'd lean scum.
10. bman65 - Likely Scum. Likely needs a replacement.
11. shibui - Town in my books. Only person actively pushing anything.
12. Syrenz - Town. Actively trying to post. I like him as well
Town list: Syrenz, Jerub, Rafk, Gamerz, Shibui
Scum: Nom Anor, Bman, Buranri (and/or) Zebi.
I dont see role cop, tracker, and watcher/tracker. But jerub has played his role in a very townie manner, if not played the GAME in a townie manner. Zebi and Buranri i dont like tho. And i fully suspect one of them to be scum, with the other being town. Dunno which tho.
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[19:59] greymon90210: Hey StormBlind how tall are you? "I'm six money *****, don't forget it"
"The Critics always said that we'd only have a black president when pigs flu"...
Stormblind, I note you don't actually have any argument against a no lynch.
Your argument is:
1. No lynch is being lazy
2. No lynch is non-town
Which isn't an argument at all. Regardless of whether or not it is "lazy," it can still be the right thing to do. Saying people are scum for suggesting no-lynch is almost never valid, because people aren't going to throw out a no-lynch idea without thinking it through first. In the 3-4 games I've suggested a no-lynch, the number of times I've been scum is ZERO. Which just goes to show that whether or not I suggest a no-lynch has no bearing on my alignment.
And get off your high horse, because you are one of the players who has contributed the least analysis. You're voting for me for the claimed reasons of: "joking and irksome manner," for voting for no-lynch, and "Non-contributing, scummy, and now pushing to waste a day. DONOTWANT."
The only piece of evidence against you is my not wanting to lynch you, when it's obvious why you be a bad lynch, specifically that you have claimed a role to let us either track two people or let the doc successfully protect the tracker.
You simply don't have any case against me. So if you're so suspicious of me, do as you suggest and go build a case on me, rather than being lazy and calling me scum without justification.
vote Nom_Anor, brings up a no lynch and then waits for others to join before joining after having a target in mind and choosing not to pursue it.
I'm going to have to barn pretty much everything SB is saying here, but I would distinctly push Zebi before Bur.
You're barining...his empty rant?
And in what way did I not pursue my target? I don't know about you, but I've learned well enough that a full PBPA with only one other vote and a bunch of meh's, there's no way I'd be able to get a lynch of bman unless he really messed up. Which he isn't going to do because he's lurking.
So yes, I am going to go for a no lynch. And is the fact I wait for someone else to join my no-lynch while sitting on my target a while suspicious?
I don't know if nom is town or scum. But I'd like to point out this type of behavior is his standard modus operandi.
Court Mafia: Day 1, hatch plan to KILL EVERYONE ELSE IN A SINGLE NIGHT, when the plan only allows him to hit 11 random players, ATTEMPTS TO FIRE ANYHOW (Roleblocked).
In other words....Nom is an impulsive player who doesn't think about planning long-term or listening to others. I wouldn't be surprised if he was town. At all.
I don't know if nom is town or scum. But I'd like to point out this type of behavior is his standard modus operandi.
Court Mafia: Day 1, hatch plan to KILL EVERYONE ELSE IN A SINGLE NIGHT, when the plan only allows him to hit 11 random players, ATTEMPTS TO FIRE ANYHOW (Roleblocked).
In other words....Nom is an impulsive player who doesn't think about planning long-term or listening to others. I wouldn't be surprised if he was town. At all.
Also, Stormblind, why didn't you try and guide a random person last night, rather than doing nothing?
Interested in Hearing the answer to this, actually.
On my reasons for no lynch: Personally, none of the PBPA's have jumped out as particularly good. If I have time I might be doing one on zebi, but that is largely based on his claim and I'm not expecting to find anything. With two docs, an unkillable, a watcher, and a claimed double tracker, I don't think we should be doing much from claims.
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Sorry, wanted a chance to get nice and comfy before replying to this... mess. I will, the push for activity seems to have fallen on me, and i will step up.
Stormblind, I note you don't actually have any argument against a no lynch.
Im going to use a well termed, if re-appropriated statement for this reply.
FTFT. (read the ☺☺☺☺ing thread) I may use this repeatedly during this post.
Now, just for simplicity sake, ill copy paste what i said earlier.
You're not thinking this through. If the mafia has claimed vanilla, and since they seemingly dont have a kill, they simply wont do anything and coast to victory since there's simply TOO many power discrepancies for the vanillas to be the first choice of lynching.
Lets face it, the power roles are nice, but will mostly be useless. Its just how it is. Doctors and nonkillables? Meh
Investigators: The mafia have EVERY reason to seem as real as possible and likely wouldnt do anything that doesnt jive with their claims. And Jerub is mostly useless in regards to catching anyone (I doubt they'd have to false claim considering the retarded claims we've seen so far).
We're looking at POE and analysis. Not power use. Jesus, stop being lazy and do some INVESTIGATING / ANALYSIS.
I know its alot to read, but really, theres so few posts here that it shouldn't be hard to find the energy to read and reply to this. I notice there's QUITE A FEW reasons and explanations for why its bad.
Your argument is:
1. No lynch is being lazy
2. No lynch is non-town
Which isn't an argument at all. Regardless of whether or not it is "lazy," it can still be the right thing to do. Saying people are scum for suggesting no-lynch is almost never valid, because people aren't going to throw out a no-lynch idea without thinking it through first. In the 3-4 games I've suggested a no-lynch, the number of times I've been scum is ZERO. Which just goes to show that whether or not I suggest a no-lynch has no bearing on my alignment.
So... if you had RTFT, this wouldnt be happening, and the situation would be resolved wouldn't it?
Ill just list whats scummy about this portion:
Strawmanning - I DID have a WHOLE POST about whats wrong with no lynching. With as few posts as this game gets, it should be simple to expect a player to read them. So much for that.
Misinterpretation - And note: i didnt say it was scummy to SUGGEST it, Please note, ididnt vote Zebi who voted for it, i just called it retarded. I didnt call it scummy until others, even after the points were made against it, kept pushing for it and against it.
Deflection - I didnt call you scummy because of this purely, as, if the kind reader will notice, i voted for nom anor way before this. I simply REVOTED for him for renewed emphasis on this absurdity.
And get off your high horse, because you are one of the players who has contributed the least analysis. You're voting for me for the claimed reasons of: "joking and irksome manner," for voting for no-lynch, and "Non-contributing, scummy, and now pushing to waste a day. DONOTWANT."
The only piece of evidence against you is my not wanting to lynch you, when it's obvious why you be a bad lynch, specifically that you have claimed a role to let us either track two people or let the doc successfully protect the tracker.
Oh, Im sorry for relpacing into the game at the end of day 2. And again, its quite interesting here that you suggested i was voting for you and calling you scummy for pushing for a no lynch, and then admit right here WHY i was voting for you initially. Also please note, there WAS a case posted against you mere posts before my vote. Thanks.
You simply don't have any case against me. So if you're so suspicious of me, do as you suggest and go build a case on me, rather than being lazy and calling me scum without justification.
Someone DID post a case against you. GAmerz i believe. Ill go double check real fast!
yes... it appaers gamerz DID post a case against you, And here was your reply:
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Oh wait, *THERE WASNT ONE*. You simply ignored it and left it alone.
And in what way did I not pursue my target? I don't know about you, but I've learned well enough that a full PBPA with only one other vote and a bunch of meh's, there's no way I'd be able to get a lynch of bman unless he really messed up.
So you admit, a lack of effort and laziness was the reason you gave up on him? How about pushing on the fact he's been ignoring the case (like you did gamerz)? How about pushing the fact he has a HUGE glaring role pm flavor flaw none of the other vanilla's have? There's ALOT to go off of here. You just gave up and went for the no lynch.
My bet? Bman IS scum, and you're scum along with him! So that when bman dies and turns up scum you can point to the case everyone ignored, and claim credit.
So yes, I am going to go for a no lynch. And is the fact I wait for someone else to join my no-lynch while sitting on my target a while suspicious?
Actually? Yes it is. its the same as posting a case against someone, attackign them repeatedly, BUT NOT VOTING FOR THEM. Its called a lack of conviction and fence sitting. DO NOT WANT.
And for the hell of it. RTFT.
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Also, Stormblind, why didn't you try and guide a random person last night, rather than doing nothing?
Again, RTFT. I answered this. Ill do your homework again and post it.
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So far? No one. Yodavader didnt submit a night action night 1, and i didn't have a solid enough grasp on anyone to guide them last night.
He DIDNT submit. I didnt care enough to submit / forgot. I was in the middle of making highlander, and i had had about 5 hours of in gameness before the day ended. So excuse me if you have an issue with that.
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EBWODP: Right, i had a proposition to make to the town.
If we lynch Nom Anor today, (something i consider a GREAT idea) we vig Bman using Gamerz. He's not posting anyway so ☺☺☺☺ it, he dies. Easier then finding a replacement. Any thoughts on that?
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[19:59] greymon90210: Hey StormBlind how tall are you? "I'm six money *****, don't forget it"
"The Critics always said that we'd only have a black president when pigs flu"...
But it's still not a valid argument. Saying that mafia's claiming vanilla ruin our ability to no lynch only makes it more obvious that bman is trolling us when he's actually mafia. And more than that, vanillas are the easiest to catch in a lie when we have a claimed double tracker and a claimed watcher/tracker, as any time a claimed vanilla uses any kind of ability, they are clearly mafia.
And nice job of using my missing that post of yours as a way to insult me. Because clearly, my not paying enough attention means I'm scum.
AND THE POINT WAS THAT A "JOKING AND IRKSOME MANNER" IS NOT A CASE. Which you can't seem to understand.
And yes, I did respond to gamerz' case, if you would just RTFT(ironic). And I didn't respond to his second post because he:
1. Repeats his first case
2. Says that the reason not to no-lynch is because information isn't helpful, which is a ridiculous argument.
I probably should have responded to his question, where he asks if I think he's scum, but it didn't seem particularly useful at the time (since my question was mostly to bait him into saying that he is this agressive most of the time, which he didn't fall into. So he probably is town, but I'm not entirely certain any more.).
I'm fine with trading Bman for me, except:
1. I think I've posted considerably better than bman has, and as such should have the distinction of being killed second
2. When bman comes up scum, I don't get vigged(because I think it's pretty obvious I have not been scum bussing bman).
I don't know if nom is town or scum. But I'd like to point out this type of behavior is his standard modus operandi.
Court Mafia: Day 1, hatch plan to KILL EVERYONE ELSE IN A SINGLE NIGHT, when the plan only allows him to hit 11 random players, ATTEMPTS TO FIRE ANYHOW (Roleblocked).
In other words....Nom is an impulsive player who doesn't think about planning long-term or listening to others. I wouldn't be surprised if he was town. At all.
Still happy with lynching NA, the constant vote jumping is still the only real behavioral point in the thread. SB foaming at the mouth is making me second-guess myself tho.
And seriously, not coherent? Active and diligent, no. Coherent, yes.
I would like to know whether we're killing bman tonight, as he's the obv investigation target.
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As town - 5/7
As neutral - none
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I've already said no lynch is the stupidest option as it literally results in nothing except giving the scum a free NK.
And great plot Nom, vote no lynch, get me shot overnight, and then NK someone and put the town into lylo. We should not be vigging unless we are certain at the moment. Also wtf is with you "posting considerably better than me"? You've been wagon hopping the entire time looking from lynch target to lynch target trying anything to get to night ASAP, including yesterday. Then you've made a poor argument which even you admitted was not the most convincing at times to get me lynched. After the town didn't buy that, you've moved to no lynch now that the power roles have been revealed. Your only argument against me is a lack of posting, but nothing behaviourally. Your grasping at straws.
Also I've requested replacement since I don't know when I'll be able to consistently post and the town needs that at the moment. Unvote.
I agree with the anti-No Lynch crowd, all a No Lynch gets us is a a dead townie and the same position we're in now. Yes, I know, an extra night for our watcher and tracker to do stuff. Assuming they don't, you know, die or get roleblocked now that everything's public.
jerub: OK, you pass for now, or at least got out of the trap. I was going for a cheapshot trap as you'd claimed your role title earlier to be TOWNIE role cop, and the rest of us have claimed role titles starting with TOWN... I thought there were reasonable odds this was a sign you were making it up.
I don't know about Stormblind's choice of targets, but I do think it would be a good idea to give Gamerz a chance to prove his ability on someone, too.
9. Buranri - I honestly dont know. Tonnes of issues with his role information, mis labling, bad targetting, terrible posting. I honestly DONT know what to think about him. I'd lean scum.
One thing that disturbs me is that you don't seem to take into account that it's obvious that his role does do something. If Burnari is scum, what do you think his 'stickiness' does?
On my reasons for no lynch: Personally, none of the PBPA's have jumped out as particularly good. If I have time I might be doing one on zebi, but that is largely based on his claim and I'm not expecting to find anything. With two docs, an unkillable, a watcher, and a claimed double tracker, I don't think we should be doing much from claims.
What do you mean by 'I don't think we should be doing much from claims?"
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My bet? Bman IS scum, and you're scum along with him! So that when bman dies and turns up scum you can point to the case everyone ignored, and claim credit.
That doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, imo. Why would a scum want to push a case on a scum like that? Especially with so many targets out there. Is it possible? Sure. Likely? Not so much. It seems much more like, that if he's scum, he's scum trying to push a case on a vulnerable townie and giving up when it goes nowhere.
Actually? Yes it is. its the same as posting a case against someone, attackign them repeatedly, BUT NOT VOTING FOR THEM. Its called a lack of conviction and fence sitting. DO NOT WANT.
/agree It's one of the main points I have against Nom. It doesn't make sense, to me, if you're so 'for' a bman lynch, Nom, for you to just switch to a No Lynch so easily. The way you originally talking about bman makes it seem like you're totally convinced of his scumminness, but you seem much more interested in just going along with a No Lynch rather than continuning to persue the case on bman, which I think would make more sense from a townie perspective, especially considering your seeming 'surety' of bman's scumminness.
EBWODP: Right, i had a proposition to make to the town.
If we lynch Nom Anor today, (something i consider a GREAT idea) we vig Bman using Gamerz. He's not posting anyway so ☺☺☺☺ it, he dies. Easier then finding a replacement. Any thoughts on that?
I'm against this mainly because I'm not convinced that bman is scum, and I don't particularly like your reasoning. "He's not posting anyways, so let's just kill him."
And yes, I did respond to gamerz' case, if you would just RTFT(ironic). And I didn't respond to his second post because he:
1. Repeats his first case
Actually, it more of a clarification than a repetition. I clarified it even more in this post.
2. Says that the reason not to no-lynch is because information isn't helpful, which is a ridiculous argument.
Which I never stated. I said that information can be used to manipulate us. It is good, but it's not something we can totally rely on either, which is what we start to do if we just no-lynch.
I probably should have responded to his question, where he asks if I think he's scum, but it didn't seem particularly useful at the time (since my question was mostly to bait him into saying that he is this agressive most of the time, which he didn't fall into. So he probably is town, but I'm not entirely certain any more.).
What was the point of trying to bait me? And since I didn't fall into your 'trap', what reason do you have to be not certain of my towniness?
I'm fine with trading Bman for me, except:
1. I think I've posted considerably better than bman has, and as such should have the distinction of being killed second
Depends on what you mean by 'posting better'.
2. When bman comes up scum, I don't get vigged(because I think it's pretty obvious I have not been scum bussing bman).
I'll have to agree with you on that, if bman comes up scum, I find it unlikely for you to be scum. Although, your suggesting that makes me less likely to believe it.
Still happy with lynching NA, the constant vote jumping is still the only real behavioral point in the thread. SB foaming at the mouth is making me second-guess myself tho.
That's pretty much how I feel about things at this point. Except that I feel that there is a little more than 'just' vote-jumping against him.
EWP: I caught wind of what you were up to, RafK, as I was re-reading the thread. I wish you had held off on revealing what it was though, because SB claimed to be a 'townie guide', and I was about to ask him what his official role name was.
As for targets, I keep coming back to wanting to try to vig you, RafK, because I'm not totally sure you're telling the truth (95% sure, but targeting you is essentially a no-lose situation, so the temptation is still there)
If someone claims that they are an unlynchable, unkillable, octa-voter, with 4 daykills and 6 doc-protects, then technically lynching that person solely based on his claim would be gaming the mod, but I would be just fine doing that.
I can live with you "testing" yourself on me. It has the minor drawback that unless I receive flavour of being attacked (possible) it won't prove anything about you, but that's OK, we can test you again tomorrow.
Heck, I doubt we'll be able to agree about TWO people to die now (agreeing one lynch will be hard enough) so you testing me out tonight is probably good timing.
OK everyone, when we're ready to lynch, make sure to set up to get some spare votes onto me too. How many votes will it take?
I don't like Nom's plan to lynch bman and vig him if bman comes up scum.
I am behind lynching Nom, bman, or Zebi; bman less so.
The only vig I am behind is RafK's, but I am unsure whether RafK would know since he didn't know he was the NK target (only thought he was). I think it'd probably work to prove Gamerz ability, and if nothing else we will understand the mechanics behind it better.
@Gaemrz: what do we have to do to meet your role requirements?
I don't know about Stormblind's choice of targets, but I do think it would be a good idea to give Gamerz a chance to prove his ability on someone, too.
Give me a Pool of targets, gives up the benefit of WIFOM, hopefully giving us a multitude of unblocked targets as the mafia would be afraid to block any of them? It's the best way to do it i think.
One thing that disturbs me is that you don't seem to take into account that it's obvious that his role does do something. If Burnari is scum, what do you think his 'stickiness' does?
I have no clue. Hell, his role could be PRECISELY As claimed and still be scum. Stickiness doesnt seem to do anything does it? Just... make people sticky.
One thing that disturbs me is that you don't seem to take into account that it's obvious that his role does do something. If Burnari is scum, what do you think his 'stickiness' does?
That doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, imo. Why would a scum want to push a case on a scum like that? Especially with so many targets out there. Is it possible? Sure. Likely? Not so much. It seems much more like, that if he's scum, he's scum trying to push a case on a vulnerable townie and giving up when it goes nowhere.
Because we have the scum in one hell of a nuthold? There's a GREAT deal of OBV towns here, so someone from a more... questionable townieness level would DEFINITELY have alot to gain by appearing to lead the lynch on a mafia. And it explains his play perfectly, its a great way to gain towniepoints, but he doesnt push it hard even tho the tools are there to do so.
I'm against this mainly because I'm not convinced that bman is scum, and I don't particularly like your reasoning. "He's not posting anyways, so let's just kill him."
well, now we have him requesting replacement. A top scum candidate, the only Town Hero out of the 3 vanilla's, Someone who couldnt ever PROVE he isnt scum due to his claim, and now we're getting a complete wipe of his behavioural situation because of a new player who simply Doesnt know who what bman did, or why.
Seems like a great reason to lynch him doesnt it?
Actually, it more of a clarification than a repetition. I clarified it even more in this post.
Which I never stated. I said that information can be used to manipulate us. It is good, but it's not something we can totally rely on either, which is what we start to do if we just no-lynch.
What was the point of trying to bait me? And since I didn't fall into your 'trap', what reason do you have to be not certain of my towniness?
Depends on what you mean by 'posting better'.
I'll have to agree with you on that, if bman comes up scum, I find it unlikely for you to be scum. Although, your suggesting that makes me less likely to believe it.
That's pretty much how I feel about things at this point. Except that I feel that there is a little more than 'just' vote-jumping against him.
If im foaming at the mouth, perhaps thats good. Cause this is the most activity canada mafia has seen in a while -_-.
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[19:59] greymon90210: Hey StormBlind how tall are you? "I'm six money *****, don't forget it"
"The Critics always said that we'd only have a black president when pigs flu"...
I don't know about Stormblind's choice of targets, but I do think it would be a good idea to give Gamerz a chance to prove his ability on someone, too.
Give me a Pool of targets, gives up the benefit of WIFOM, hopefully giving us a multitude of unblocked targets as the mafia would be afraid to block any of them? It's the best way to do it i think.
One thing that disturbs me is that you don't seem to take into account that it's obvious that his role does do something. If Burnari is scum, what do you think his 'stickiness' does?
I have no clue. Hell, his role could be PRECISELY As claimed and still be scum. Stickiness doesnt seem to do anything does it? Just... make people sticky.
That doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, imo. Why would a scum want to push a case on a scum like that? Especially with so many targets out there. Is it possible? Sure. Likely? Not so much. It seems much more like, that if he's scum, he's scum trying to push a case on a vulnerable townie and giving up when it goes nowhere.
Because we have the scum in one hell of a nuthold? There's a GREAT deal of OBV towns here, so someone from a more... questionable townieness level would DEFINITELY have alot to gain by appearing to lead the lynch on a mafia. And it explains his play perfectly, its a great way to gain towniepoints, but he doesnt push it hard even tho the tools are there to do so.
I'm against this mainly because I'm not convinced that bman is scum, and I don't particularly like your reasoning. "He's not posting anyways, so let's just kill him."
well, now we have him requesting replacement. A top scum candidate, the only Town Hero out of the 3 vanilla's, Someone who couldnt ever PROVE he isnt scum due to his claim, and now we're getting a complete wipe of his behavioural situation because of a new player who simply Doesnt know what bman did, or why.
Seems like a great reason to lynch him doesnt it?
That's pretty much how I feel about things at this point. Except that I feel that there is a little more than 'just' vote-jumping against him.
If im foaming at the mouth, perhaps thats good. Cause this is the most activity canada mafia has seen in a while -_-.
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[19:59] greymon90210: Hey StormBlind how tall are you? "I'm six money *****, don't forget it"
"The Critics always said that we'd only have a black president when pigs flu"...
well, now we have him requesting replacement. A top scum candidate, the only Town Hero out of the 3 vanilla's, Someone who couldnt ever PROVE he isnt scum due to his claim, and now we're getting a complete wipe of his behavioural situation because of a new player who simply Doesnt know what bman did, or why.
Seems like a great reason to lynch him doesnt it?
This... Is actually fairly convincing. Did he ever clarify why exactly his role is town hero, as opposed to vanilla town, or whatever the standard name is? The more I think the more I remember Basic #17, where we caught a scum because he claimed vanilla town instead of town survivor.
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Give me a Pool of targets, gives up the benefit of WIFOM, hopefully giving us a multitude of unblocked targets as the mafia would be afraid to block any of them? It's the best way to do it i think.
Short list: Gamerz / Zebi / Buranri
Leaving Shibui to fend for himself eh? I suppose it's likely that the scum will probably NK him if he's town anyways.
I have no clue. Hell, his role could be PRECISELY As claimed and still be scum. Stickiness doesnt seem to do anything does it? Just... make people sticky.
That's true, it's just tied to his role, that's all. I suppose it's possible that there's a scum watcher. The only reason I've clung so tightly to Burnari being town is that we have 3 people who can confirm that Burnari has an ability that makes people sticky...including 2 people in one night. I've just been giving him the benefit of the doubt since I can't reasonably come up with any sort of role that would make sense for him as scum.
Because we have the scum in one hell of a nuthold? There's a GREAT deal of OBV towns here, so someone from a more... questionable townieness level would DEFINITELY have alot to gain by appearing to lead the lynch on a mafia. And it explains his play perfectly, its a great way to gain towniepoints, but he doesnt push it hard even tho the tools are there to do so.
Still not sure if I agree with you. I will give another point though in that Nom's aggressiveness would jive more with him being a scum attacking scum as opposed to scum attacking town...or vice versa.
One other thing that bothers me about Nom's pushing of the No-lynch. Where was this fervor for it on Day 2? When we weren't sure what was going on then? I know the circumstances are a little different now than back then (mainly in that we know what power we have to work with (theoretically)), but Nom had no problem going back and forth between targets D2...but now that things are heating up with him suddenly, he's not so....'itchy-trigger-finger'.
well, now we have him requesting replacement. A top scum candidate, the only Town Hero out of the 3 vanilla's, Someone who couldnt ever PROVE he isnt scum due to his claim, and now we're getting a complete wipe of his behavioural situation because of a new player who simply Doesnt know what bman did, or why.
Seems like a great reason to lynch him doesnt it?
Not at all. The only thing I see in what you listed there as any sort of case against him is the town hero thing, and I refuse to lynch someone based on a 'difference of flavour'. For that matter, we could in theory go after you because you claimed 'townie' Widlerness guide, and not just 'town' Wilderness Guide.
And I don't particularly like the idea of lynching someone because he wants to be replaced. Especially coming from a player who is a replacement.
If im foaming at the mouth, perhaps thats good. Cause this is the most activity canada mafia has seen in a while -_-.
I have to agree with this. You've at least provided us with fuel to get us going.
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Also, for those asking about my ability. My ability requires that, if I'm going to vig someone during the night, then that person needs to have 30% of the vote at the end of the day. Which means, that if I'm going to try to vig RafK, we need to have at least 3 people voting him at the end of the day today.
If someone claims that they are an unlynchable, unkillable, octa-voter, with 4 daykills and 6 doc-protects, then technically lynching that person solely based on his claim would be gaming the mod, but I would be just fine doing that.
Yeah, this is definitely the time to go for testing Gamerz' out. 3 votes on me is "safe", since the guy being lynched can't just switch across and quicklynch me (if two scum want to reveal themselves by combining to do it, I can live with that). That might not be the case on later nights.
Yeah, this is definitely the time to go for testing Gamerz' out. 3 votes on me is "safe", since the guy being lynched can't just switch across and quicklynch me (if two scum want to reveal themselves by combining to do it, I can live with that). That might not be the case on later nights.
Agree, the vig ability actually has a cute little tension in it, because it allows the possibility for a speedylynch. Today is by far the safest day to test, if we're planning on testing.
MTGS stats (won/played)
As scum - 3/5
As town - 5/7
As neutral - none
(I really have been scum a lot)
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This... Is actually fairly convincing. Did he ever clarify why exactly his role is town hero, as opposed to vanilla town, or whatever the standard name is? The more I think the more I remember Basic #17, where we caught a scum because he claimed vanilla town instead of town survivor.
I think it's a very different situation. Vanilla town is the standard vanilla claim, town survivor is an unusual name for it. Here, instead of claiming vanilla town (like the person right above him does) he claims town hero which is really unusual and has me thinkning that he is telling the truth.
More content later, been a bit busy with getting my own game on the road.
So, I probably should have said this sooner, but...I will be away for about a week as I am getting married tomorrow. I've been debating about what to do in the meantime, in case the day ends before I get back. I figure the best way to handle this is to put my vote to RafK. If I leave it on Nom and you guys decide to go a different direction, leaving my vote on Nom could be a problem when trying to use my vig ability.
If someone claims that they are an unlynchable, unkillable, octa-voter, with 4 daykills and 6 doc-protects, then technically lynching that person solely based on his claim would be gaming the mod, but I would be just fine doing that.
None of the PBPA's posted really stuck out to me, but I'll have to re read them again.
I'm not exactly for a no-lynch, but I'm not against it either. At the moment, no one is really popping out as scum, so just not lynching anyone and seeing what happens during night could be a good option. On the other hand, we really need to hit scum soon.
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MAFIA STATS
Scum
Basic 17 (Afterlife) - lose
Basic 15 (Coffeehouse) - win
Duel Monsters - lose
Manipulator - lose
Town
Anita Blake - lose
Basic 17 (Demonata) - lose
Canada - ongoing
Ongoing
Basic 24
Yeah, but you specifically stated in your post before, that 'there were no really good suspects'. The way you've worded everything makes it feel like you only want bman lynched if the town wants him to be lynched...otherwise, you don't care. It certainly doesn't seem like you're 'really convinced' of his scumminness; otherwise you would keep pushing for his lynch instead of opting for a no lynch. If you were really convinced of bman's scumminness, you wouldn't 'settle' for a no-lynch. You'd be gunning for him, trying to make sure that everyone sees his scumminness for what it is. Sort of like I'm trying to do with you.
We've had plenty of information so far...and I'm still confused about what has happened each night. Information is good, yes...but it can also be used against us. To manipulate us.
Usually? No. But the game seemed to be at a standstill, and I felt a need to push your case more. Sometimes different situations need different tactics, and the 'trying to figure out what the heck is going on' stage seemed to be ending. Since I feel you are the strongest case to be scum, I thought I would finally start to put out why exactly I felt that way.
Odd thing though...with that question...do you suspect me to be scum? Cause you were pushing my towninness for the first 2 days. I realize that opinions can change, but you mentioned, not just once, but twice that I was town. The second time 'definitely town'.
[2/6] bman65 - Nom_Anor, shibui
[2/6] Nom_Anor - Gamerz, Stormblind
Not sure how I feel about the no-lynch atm, will try to get a better idea after rereads.
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You're not thinking this through. If the mafia has claimed vanilla, and since they seemingly dont have a kill, they simply wont do anything and coast to victory since there's simply TOO many power discrepancies for the vanillas to be the first choice of lynching.
Lets face it, the power roles are nice, but will mostly be useless. Its just how it is. Doctors and nonkillables? Meh
Investigators: The mafia have EVERY reason to seem as real as possible and likely wouldnt do anything that doesnt jive with their claims. And Jerub is mostly useless in regards to catching anyone (I doubt they'd have to false claim considering the retarded claims we've seen so far).
We're looking at POE and analysis. Not power use. Jesus, stop being lazy and do some INVESTIGATING / ANALYSIS.
I'm OK lynching SB as well.
MTGS stats (won/played)
As scum - 3/5
As town - 5/7
As neutral - none
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Ofcourse you are. Scum.
I'm good with this or Zebi based on the past couple of posts.
I think taking a look at Jerub is actually a good idea. Don't really love his flavor cop claim like I previously said as it's very easy to fake as scum.
Also there's the fact that Quebec is always trying to separate itself from Canada and thus could be seen as being against Canada, although this is a minor point as I'm not sure how much we can rely on flavor.
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Not to be pedantic (ok, it is pedantic) but that's not exactly the question I asked. I wanted to know if townie role cop is exactly what your role title is, yes or no.
You do realize how unreal thin flavor arguments are in this setup, right?
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As neutral - none
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This isn't something that I don't I'm gonna vote over, but it does stick out to me as...odd. I'm still voting for Nom.
Btw, this game is going reeeeally slow.
I need to do a more complete reread on the two claimed tracker roles as it does seem strange to have a double tracker as well as a regular tracker.
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vote no lynch
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Basic 17 (Afterlife) - lose
Basic 15 (Coffeehouse) - win
Duel Monsters - lose
Manipulator - lose
Town
Anita Blake - lose
Basic 17 (Demonata) - lose
Canada - ongoing
Ongoing
Basic 24
If you agree on the trackers shouldn't you be voting Zebi?
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This is really sucking bad. We need to choose a direction and go with it, but people seem to be insisting on try to do everything in their power to do nothing.
Vote: No Lynch
Seems about as good as it gets. I'd still be up for a bman lynch today.
I could see a stormblind or Jerubaal lynch tomorrow, but definitely not today.
No lynch? Right. At this point, i am for the lynch of ANYONE who wants to no lynch, as it is strictly non-town behaviour.
And, whoo hoo. Guess who's on the no lynch train?
Let's take a look see:
Zebi - Claimed double tracker. Decidedly unhelpful this game.
Buranri - Claimed watcher/tracker-something. Has been awkward this entire game.
Nom Anor - Non-contributing, scummy, and now pushing to waste a day. DONOTWANT.
unvote, Vote Nom Anor
I've stated why i consider a no lynch retarded and not townie behaviour. I will vote for those pushing for it, as well as do everything in my power to oppose them. Naive townie or not, that is BAD PLAY.
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From the person who started it (near as i can tell)
Basically? Its LAZINESS. Too lazy to try to build their own cases, too lazy to even READ AND COMMENT ON EXISTING ONES. They want the game handed to them.
Ill be honest, this game has become a CHORE due to how little the majority of the player base CARES. I would suggest just flushing out the least contributing players here, but again, NO ONE CARES ENOUGH / THEY HAVE FREE RIDES DUE TO ROLE CLAIMS.
Lets do a quick review of the playerbase shall we?
2. Yodavader StormBlind - Me, Im pretty Active. Responding to things. Prodding for activity from people.
3. jerubbaal - Thinks im... something? Iunno, barely posts, usually isnt coherent, and very little contribution. Also a role cop, and ill be honest, he's played that pretty bloody accurately, and well. Scum or town? Unknown, but it would require GREAT play from a scum to have thought ahead this far, and less great play from a townie. So... ill lean townie annoyingly enough (I say annoying enough cause he has scummy posts, but the method in which he has played his role is totally town)
5. Gamerz - Town. Pretty Active. Voting Nom Anor. I like Gamerz
6. Zebi - Double 'eh' tracker. Persists in the values of a no lynch (likely so he can use his abilities.)
7. Nom_Anor - Scum. About as scum a scum as i ever did scum. My favourite part? His next post after i vote him: I could see a stormblind or Jerubaal lynch tomorrow, but definitely not today He thinks im scum... but... isnt secure enough to try to force it today. Why? what are you afraid of?
8. RafaelK - Decently Active. Useful. Posts a fair amount. Probably town (UnNKable anything seems stupid tho in this setup)
9. Buranri - I honestly dont know. Tonnes of issues with his role information, mis labling, bad targetting, terrible posting. I honestly DONT know what to think about him. I'd lean scum.
10. bman65 - Likely Scum. Likely needs a replacement.
11. shibui - Town in my books. Only person actively pushing anything.
12. Syrenz - Town. Actively trying to post. I like him as well
Town list: Syrenz, Jerub, Rafk, Gamerz, Shibui
Scum: Nom Anor, Bman, Buranri (and/or) Zebi.
I dont see role cop, tracker, and watcher/tracker. But jerub has played his role in a very townie manner, if not played the GAME in a townie manner. Zebi and Buranri i dont like tho. And i fully suspect one of them to be scum, with the other being town. Dunno which tho.
I'm going to have to barn pretty much everything SB is saying here, but I would distinctly push Zebi before Bur.
Your argument is:
1. No lynch is being lazy
2. No lynch is non-town
Which isn't an argument at all. Regardless of whether or not it is "lazy," it can still be the right thing to do. Saying people are scum for suggesting no-lynch is almost never valid, because people aren't going to throw out a no-lynch idea without thinking it through first. In the 3-4 games I've suggested a no-lynch, the number of times I've been scum is ZERO. Which just goes to show that whether or not I suggest a no-lynch has no bearing on my alignment.
And get off your high horse, because you are one of the players who has contributed the least analysis. You're voting for me for the claimed reasons of: "joking and irksome manner," for voting for no-lynch, and "Non-contributing, scummy, and now pushing to waste a day. DONOTWANT."
The only piece of evidence against you is my not wanting to lynch you, when it's obvious why you be a bad lynch, specifically that you have claimed a role to let us either track two people or let the doc successfully protect the tracker.
You simply don't have any case against me. So if you're so suspicious of me, do as you suggest and go build a case on me, rather than being lazy and calling me scum without justification.
You're barining...his empty rant?
And in what way did I not pursue my target? I don't know about you, but I've learned well enough that a full PBPA with only one other vote and a bunch of meh's, there's no way I'd be able to get a lynch of bman unless he really messed up. Which he isn't going to do because he's lurking.
So yes, I am going to go for a no lynch. And is the fact I wait for someone else to join my no-lynch while sitting on my target a while suspicious?
Interested in Hearing the answer to this, actually.
On my reasons for no lynch: Personally, none of the PBPA's have jumped out as particularly good. If I have time I might be doing one on zebi, but that is largely based on his claim and I'm not expecting to find anything. With two docs, an unkillable, a watcher, and a claimed double tracker, I don't think we should be doing much from claims.
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Basic 17 (Afterlife) - lose
Basic 15 (Coffeehouse) - win
Duel Monsters - lose
Manipulator - lose
Town
Anita Blake - lose
Basic 17 (Demonata) - lose
Canada - ongoing
Ongoing
Basic 24
Im going to use a well termed, if re-appropriated statement for this reply.
FTFT. (read the ☺☺☺☺ing thread) I may use this repeatedly during this post.
Now, just for simplicity sake, ill copy paste what i said earlier.
I know its alot to read, but really, theres so few posts here that it shouldn't be hard to find the energy to read and reply to this. I notice there's QUITE A FEW reasons and explanations for why its bad.
So... if you had RTFT, this wouldnt be happening, and the situation would be resolved wouldn't it?
Ill just list whats scummy about this portion:
Someone DID post a case against you. GAmerz i believe. Ill go double check real fast!
yes... it appaers gamerz DID post a case against you, And here was your reply:
...
Oh wait, *THERE WASNT ONE*. You simply ignored it and left it alone.
For the record: The case
For the Record: THE RESPONSE.
So you admit, a lack of effort and laziness was the reason you gave up on him? How about pushing on the fact he's been ignoring the case (like you did gamerz)? How about pushing the fact he has a HUGE glaring role pm flavor flaw none of the other vanilla's have? There's ALOT to go off of here. You just gave up and went for the no lynch.
My bet? Bman IS scum, and you're scum along with him! So that when bman dies and turns up scum you can point to the case everyone ignored, and claim credit.
Actually? Yes it is. its the same as posting a case against someone, attackign them repeatedly, BUT NOT VOTING FOR THEM. Its called a lack of conviction and fence sitting. DO NOT WANT.
And for the hell of it. RTFT.
Again, RTFT. I answered this. Ill do your homework again and post it.
He DIDNT submit. I didnt care enough to submit / forgot. I was in the middle of making highlander, and i had had about 5 hours of in gameness before the day ended. So excuse me if you have an issue with that.
If we lynch Nom Anor today, (something i consider a GREAT idea) we vig Bman using Gamerz. He's not posting anyway so ☺☺☺☺ it, he dies. Easier then finding a replacement. Any thoughts on that?
But it's still not a valid argument. Saying that mafia's claiming vanilla ruin our ability to no lynch only makes it more obvious that bman is trolling us when he's actually mafia. And more than that, vanillas are the easiest to catch in a lie when we have a claimed double tracker and a claimed watcher/tracker, as any time a claimed vanilla uses any kind of ability, they are clearly mafia.
And nice job of using my missing that post of yours as a way to insult me. Because clearly, my not paying enough attention means I'm scum.
AND THE POINT WAS THAT A "JOKING AND IRKSOME MANNER" IS NOT A CASE. Which you can't seem to understand.
And yes, I did respond to gamerz' case, if you would just RTFT(ironic). And I didn't respond to his second post because he:
1. Repeats his first case
2. Says that the reason not to no-lynch is because information isn't helpful, which is a ridiculous argument.
I probably should have responded to his question, where he asks if I think he's scum, but it didn't seem particularly useful at the time (since my question was mostly to bait him into saying that he is this agressive most of the time, which he didn't fall into. So he probably is town, but I'm not entirely certain any more.).
I'm fine with trading Bman for me, except:
1. I think I've posted considerably better than bman has, and as such should have the distinction of being killed second
2. When bman comes up scum, I don't get vigged(because I think it's pretty obvious I have not been scum bussing bman).
And seriously, not coherent? Active and diligent, no. Coherent, yes.
I would like to know whether we're killing bman tonight, as he's the obv investigation target.
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As town - 5/7
As neutral - none
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And great plot Nom, vote no lynch, get me shot overnight, and then NK someone and put the town into lylo. We should not be vigging unless we are certain at the moment. Also wtf is with you "posting considerably better than me"? You've been wagon hopping the entire time looking from lynch target to lynch target trying anything to get to night ASAP, including yesterday. Then you've made a poor argument which even you admitted was not the most convincing at times to get me lynched. After the town didn't buy that, you've moved to no lynch now that the power roles have been revealed. Your only argument against me is a lack of posting, but nothing behaviourally. Your grasping at straws.
Also I've requested replacement since I don't know when I'll be able to consistently post and the town needs that at the moment. Unvote.
jerub: OK, you pass for now, or at least got out of the trap. I was going for a cheapshot trap as you'd claimed your role title earlier to be TOWNIE role cop, and the rest of us have claimed role titles starting with TOWN... I thought there were reasonable odds this was a sign you were making it up.
I don't know about Stormblind's choice of targets, but I do think it would be a good idea to give Gamerz a chance to prove his ability on someone, too.
One thing that disturbs me is that you don't seem to take into account that it's obvious that his role does do something. If Burnari is scum, what do you think his 'stickiness' does?
What do you mean by 'I don't think we should be doing much from claims?"
That doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, imo. Why would a scum want to push a case on a scum like that? Especially with so many targets out there. Is it possible? Sure. Likely? Not so much. It seems much more like, that if he's scum, he's scum trying to push a case on a vulnerable townie and giving up when it goes nowhere.
/agree It's one of the main points I have against Nom. It doesn't make sense, to me, if you're so 'for' a bman lynch, Nom, for you to just switch to a No Lynch so easily. The way you originally talking about bman makes it seem like you're totally convinced of his scumminness, but you seem much more interested in just going along with a No Lynch rather than continuning to persue the case on bman, which I think would make more sense from a townie perspective, especially considering your seeming 'surety' of bman's scumminness.
I'm against this mainly because I'm not convinced that bman is scum, and I don't particularly like your reasoning. "He's not posting anyways, so let's just kill him."
Actually, it more of a clarification than a repetition. I clarified it even more in this post.
Which I never stated. I said that information can be used to manipulate us. It is good, but it's not something we can totally rely on either, which is what we start to do if we just no-lynch.
What was the point of trying to bait me? And since I didn't fall into your 'trap', what reason do you have to be not certain of my towniness?
Depends on what you mean by 'posting better'.
I'll have to agree with you on that, if bman comes up scum, I find it unlikely for you to be scum. Although, your suggesting that makes me less likely to believe it.
That's pretty much how I feel about things at this point. Except that I feel that there is a little more than 'just' vote-jumping against him.
EWP: I caught wind of what you were up to, RafK, as I was re-reading the thread. I wish you had held off on revealing what it was though, because SB claimed to be a 'townie guide', and I was about to ask him what his official role name was.
As for targets, I keep coming back to wanting to try to vig you, RafK, because I'm not totally sure you're telling the truth (95% sure, but targeting you is essentially a no-lose situation, so the temptation is still there)
Heck, I doubt we'll be able to agree about TWO people to die now (agreeing one lynch will be hard enough) so you testing me out tonight is probably good timing.
OK everyone, when we're ready to lynch, make sure to set up to get some spare votes onto me too. How many votes will it take?
I am behind lynching Nom, bman, or Zebi; bman less so.
The only vig I am behind is RafK's, but I am unsure whether RafK would know since he didn't know he was the NK target (only thought he was). I think it'd probably work to prove Gamerz ability, and if nothing else we will understand the mechanics behind it better.
@Gaemrz: what do we have to do to meet your role requirements?
Give me a Pool of targets, gives up the benefit of WIFOM, hopefully giving us a multitude of unblocked targets as the mafia would be afraid to block any of them? It's the best way to do it i think.
Short list: Gamerz / Zebi / Buranri
I have no clue. Hell, his role could be PRECISELY As claimed and still be scum. Stickiness doesnt seem to do anything does it? Just... make people sticky.
Because we have the scum in one hell of a nuthold? There's a GREAT deal of OBV towns here, so someone from a more... questionable townieness level would DEFINITELY have alot to gain by appearing to lead the lynch on a mafia. And it explains his play perfectly, its a great way to gain towniepoints, but he doesnt push it hard even tho the tools are there to do so.
well, now we have him requesting replacement. A top scum candidate, the only Town Hero out of the 3 vanilla's, Someone who couldnt ever PROVE he isnt scum due to his claim, and now we're getting a complete wipe of his behavioural situation because of a new player who simply Doesnt know who what bman did, or why.
Seems like a great reason to lynch him doesnt it?
Actually, it more of a clarification than a repetition. I clarified it even more in this post.
Which I never stated. I said that information can be used to manipulate us. It is good, but it's not something we can totally rely on either, which is what we start to do if we just no-lynch.
What was the point of trying to bait me? And since I didn't fall into your 'trap', what reason do you have to be not certain of my towniness?
Depends on what you mean by 'posting better'.
I'll have to agree with you on that, if bman comes up scum, I find it unlikely for you to be scum. Although, your suggesting that makes me less likely to believe it.
If im foaming at the mouth, perhaps thats good. Cause this is the most activity canada mafia has seen in a while -_-.
*Bites the rest of the game*. Now you have rabies, post more!
Reformatting my previous post.
Give me a Pool of targets, gives up the benefit of WIFOM, hopefully giving us a multitude of unblocked targets as the mafia would be afraid to block any of them? It's the best way to do it i think.
Short list: Gamerz / Zebi / Buranri
I have no clue. Hell, his role could be PRECISELY As claimed and still be scum. Stickiness doesnt seem to do anything does it? Just... make people sticky.
Because we have the scum in one hell of a nuthold? There's a GREAT deal of OBV towns here, so someone from a more... questionable townieness level would DEFINITELY have alot to gain by appearing to lead the lynch on a mafia. And it explains his play perfectly, its a great way to gain towniepoints, but he doesnt push it hard even tho the tools are there to do so.
well, now we have him requesting replacement. A top scum candidate, the only Town Hero out of the 3 vanilla's, Someone who couldnt ever PROVE he isnt scum due to his claim, and now we're getting a complete wipe of his behavioural situation because of a new player who simply Doesnt know what bman did, or why.
Seems like a great reason to lynch him doesnt it?
If im foaming at the mouth, perhaps thats good. Cause this is the most activity canada mafia has seen in a while -_-.
*Bites the rest of the game*. Now you have rabies, post more!
This... Is actually fairly convincing. Did he ever clarify why exactly his role is town hero, as opposed to vanilla town, or whatever the standard name is? The more I think the more I remember Basic #17, where we caught a scum because he claimed vanilla town instead of town survivor.
Signature from Nakamura and Heroes of the Planes Studios.
MAFIA STATS
Scum
Basic 17 (Afterlife) - lose
Basic 15 (Coffeehouse) - win
Duel Monsters - lose
Manipulator - lose
Town
Anita Blake - lose
Basic 17 (Demonata) - lose
Canada - ongoing
Ongoing
Basic 24
Leaving Shibui to fend for himself eh? I suppose it's likely that the scum will probably NK him if he's town anyways.
That's true, it's just tied to his role, that's all. I suppose it's possible that there's a scum watcher. The only reason I've clung so tightly to Burnari being town is that we have 3 people who can confirm that Burnari has an ability that makes people sticky...including 2 people in one night. I've just been giving him the benefit of the doubt since I can't reasonably come up with any sort of role that would make sense for him as scum.
Still not sure if I agree with you. I will give another point though in that Nom's aggressiveness would jive more with him being a scum attacking scum as opposed to scum attacking town...or vice versa.
One other thing that bothers me about Nom's pushing of the No-lynch. Where was this fervor for it on Day 2? When we weren't sure what was going on then? I know the circumstances are a little different now than back then (mainly in that we know what power we have to work with (theoretically)), but Nom had no problem going back and forth between targets D2...but now that things are heating up with him suddenly, he's not so....'itchy-trigger-finger'.
Not at all. The only thing I see in what you listed there as any sort of case against him is the town hero thing, and I refuse to lynch someone based on a 'difference of flavour'. For that matter, we could in theory go after you because you claimed 'townie' Widlerness guide, and not just 'town' Wilderness Guide.
And I don't particularly like the idea of lynching someone because he wants to be replaced. Especially coming from a player who is a replacement.
I have to agree with this. You've at least provided us with fuel to get us going.
Also, for those asking about my ability. My ability requires that, if I'm going to vig someone during the night, then that person needs to have 30% of the vote at the end of the day. Which means, that if I'm going to try to vig RafK, we need to have at least 3 people voting him at the end of the day today.
Stand by.
Agree, the vig ability actually has a cute little tension in it, because it allows the possibility for a speedylynch. Today is by far the safest day to test, if we're planning on testing.
MTGS stats (won/played)
As scum - 3/5
As town - 5/7
As neutral - none
(I really have been scum a lot)
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I think it's a very different situation. Vanilla town is the standard vanilla claim, town survivor is an unusual name for it. Here, instead of claiming vanilla town (like the person right above him does) he claims town hero which is really unusual and has me thinkning that he is telling the truth.
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Lair of the Cat (Mafia Stats)
So I will go
unvote
Vote RafK
with the notion that I still think Nom is scum.
Votes have been reset with the exclusion of Gamerz who is away (Congrats on your marraige).
Vote Count:
[1/6] Rafk - Gamerz
Gratz on the marriage.
Signature from Nakamura and Heroes of the Planes Studios.
MAFIA STATS
Scum
Basic 17 (Afterlife) - lose
Basic 15 (Coffeehouse) - win
Duel Monsters - lose
Manipulator - lose
Town
Anita Blake - lose
Basic 17 (Demonata) - lose
Canada - ongoing
Ongoing
Basic 24