Ande is obvtown because of how he's been posting. I can't see him as anything else.
Spot is italicized because I copied from the playerlist in the first post and forgot to de-italicize.
Oh right, the one post saying he's going to re-read everything.....???? I mean according to your own logic shouldn't he be a "no read"?
No read means I can't read them. I can't tell whether or not they're town/scum/other.
He's a deathlurker because he's been gone for like the past 2 weeks. I was indicating severity of his lurking.
He isn't LURKING. He is INACTIVE. Please use the right word. Lurking implies that he is actively reading the thread however ignoring to reply which isn't the case here. He's so not into the game he left it.. Him being an inactive doesn't mean he is scum, so why would you use the word Death again?
As Goat feels now, he's trying to bus Alpha. However, I can't see him as pushing as he is if he's scum and Alpha's town.
What? You think s*** Goat is trying to Bus s*** Alpha. You can't see scum Goat bussing town Alpha? I realize that scum don't "bus" townies but what logic is this? What is it about Goat that makes you feel this way about him?
And you and Toast are scumbuddies because of your last two pages of poking at each other without actually doing anything. No voting, no aggressive attacks, no indication you think the other is town, just bouncing comments off each other.
I don't know what you are reading, however I'm trying to get my feel from toast whether or not he is scum or not. I'm also one that doesn't just toss my vote out. Right now I don't feel too strong about placing a vote on anyone. However if I had to right now It would be on Drak.
@Roja - Phoenix's posts, I just wanted to see what you did. It wasn't a foregone-conclusion-trap-thing. posts of Alpha - #187, #193.
There is a huge difference with a replacement owning up to their prior player's comments and someone else commenting. Would you say that if Phoneix/Roja sceen were the RW/Spot sceen you would be looking like Alpha at this moment?
The rwason I didn't unvote is because I want an Alpha lynch today. Unvoting would give the wrong signals - I wanted to show he's going to be lynched, just not quite yet.
I understand you want Alpha lynched. You SAID however you want discussion as well. How can we as a group discuss if the game goes into night? Unless you really don't need to hear anything from any of us that is. Can you see Goats post where he unvoted, I don't take it as he doesn't want Alpha lynched, I see it as he wants more room for discussion. Actions speak louder then words here Toast.
'Discussion' doesn't mean about Alpha specifically.
And it isn't the only topic being discussed. Are you ready to move into the next day? Are all your questions asked about everyone? You cant because you say here:
If Alpha is town, I would have a good look at Nom and Drak. Currently, I think Drak is town, and no, I don't have a read on everyone.
Don't you think it would be a good idea to get SOME sort of read on everyone before ending the day? And what if Alpha is scum, where would you look?
I'm not quite sure what you're getting at here. Regardless of player, disassociating a replacement from the original player is a scummy thing to do. That is not the only scummy thing Alpha has done, if that's what you're asking, I find him suspicious for other things as well.
I think I would like you to explain why disassociating a replacements from the orginal player is scummy?
I am quite happy for more discussion, but him being at L-1 doesn't prevent this. You're making far too much of a big deal out of this.
All it WOULD have taken would have been a random vote to Alpha to prematurely end the day. That is a big deal to me.
At the moment I am waiting for Andelijah and trying to get a read on you, so no. You know the answer here, so why ask the question?
You don't have a read on me yet? I ask the question because while you are saying one thing your actions are showing another. You don't want the day to end, which would end the discussion for the day, however you'll keep your vote on someone who is 1 vote away from ending the day. You do see how inconsistent that sounds right?
Yes, and you are insinuating I am ready to end the day, which I am not. I will say it again, being at L-1 does not curb discussion. If Alpha is scum, I will be re-reading Ced and Goat. What about you? If we lynch Alpha and he is scum or town, what would your thoughts be?
You are correct, someone being 1 from lynched doesn't curb discussion. However the discussion could end abruptly. If Alpha is scum I would take a look at Drak and his reactions/comments/movements on a scum wagon. I would also take a look at Nom and you as well.
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You are correct, someone being 1 from lynched doesn't curb discussion. However the discussion could end abruptly.
Anyone who would hammer him at this point would come under heavy suspicion as we are still waiting on a replacement (maybe two) to comment and finish off this replacement heavy day. Then again we'd lose out on lots of discussion so it'd be a win-lose (or lose-lose if it was a town who hammered).
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As Goat feels now, he's trying to bus Alpha. However, I can't see him as pushing as he is if he's scum and Alpha's town.
I don't quite understand what "bus" means in terms of mafia, I know there's a bus driver role sometimes but that doesn't seem like what you're referring to. Could someone enlighten me on this please?
Gotta go back to work but I'll try to post again later when I can.
Anyone who would hammer him at this point would come under heavy suspicion as we are still waiting on a replacement (maybe two) to comment and finish off this replacement heavy day. Then again we'd lose out on lots of discussion so it'd be a win-lose (or lose-lose if it was a town who hammered).
SO then what do you think of someone bringing the vote count TO L-1 and then demaning everyone not to finish the lynch until everyone is ready?
I don't quite understand what "bus" means in terms of mafia, I know there's a bus driver role sometimes but that doesn't seem like what you're referring to. Could someone enlighten me on this please?
Think "Throwing someone under the bus". Toast said it well.
If the original player was scummy, then it is using an excuse to clear the replacement.
So the replacement according to you should be automaticly doomed if the orginal player played badly?
Random vote at this stage? Any townie in their right mind would never never hammer in this situation. If someone did, I would throw all I have at a player who did. No-one should hammer until the town is ready. The possibility of a hammer, therefore, is not really anything in this type of situation.
No not random voting stage.. A random vote. Like "we are getting no where with this and lets end the day" and then votes ending the day. IM not saying anyone WOULD do so, but why give them the oppertunity to? "Good faith" only would get us so far.
I am leaning town, but not much yet. do you have a read on me yet? I explained the rest above.
Currently im thinking you are town. But I don't like some of your answers..Esp when you asked for everyones discussion when you really wanted a vote count.
Surely you're looking at Drak anyway?
Yup. Alpha being town or scum I don't think would change my opinion of him at the moment.
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Toast: Bussing is getting your scumbuddie lynched so you can look more town. What you and Roja are doing is just dissociating.
Goat: You're bussing him because you're trying to hard. If he flips scum, it feels a lot more likely to me you were bussing him than you were town on a good lynch. For you being town if he's town, there is just no way a scum would keep trying to get a town lynched when tomorrow, everyone would say, "see, we should have let him live another day" and look hard at you.
I don't know if nom is town or scum. But I'd like to point out this type of behavior is his standard modus operandi.
Court Mafia: Day 1, hatch plan to KILL EVERYONE ELSE IN A SINGLE NIGHT, when the plan only allows him to hit 11 random players, ATTEMPTS TO FIRE ANYHOW (Roleblocked).
In other words....Nom is an impulsive player who doesn't think about planning long-term or listening to others. I wouldn't be surprised if he was town. At all.
Forgive me for always asking what feels to be the same thing all the time with you ***. But any other insite?
For a start, it is not ***, it's WoD. And no, I don't currently have any other insight.
I see the QuoteWars have begun anew. Zzzz.
I still want to lynch Alpha for the reasons I've stated before. I cannot believe we are letting him get away with such an easy false-claim, especially given his defeatism...
If, as he says, he is a town vigilante, he would have claimed it earlier rather than going GG guyz, lynch me now!
Toast: Bussing is getting your scumbuddie lynched so you can look more town. What you and Roja are doing is just dissociating.
Goat: You're bussing him because you're trying to hard. If he flips scum, it feels a lot more likely to me you were bussing him than you were town on a good lynch. For you being town if he's town, there is just no way a scum would keep trying to get a town lynched when tomorrow, everyone would say, "see, we should have let him live another day" and look hard at you.
Nom I don't see your logic at ALL with Goat. And do you still beleive that Alpha is scum?
Also you said Andel was obvtown for his posting.. not with Tolor.
I agree that Tolor was very townish, but what did you find townie about Tolor?
Also, why did you attribute Ande's towniness to Ande's posts (well, post) at first?
I attributed it to Ande's posts because I was just responding to the questions without thinking too hard; I remembered I'd found Ande to be obviously town from when I was reading back, and I just forgot he'd been Tolor for most of that time.
He had good, solid analysis, but even moreso, he feels like newb town: he is willing to make solid arguments about other players while being mildly incorrect about things like bandwangons being bad and unsure about why a no-lynch day 1 isn't a good thing.
Drak I can see your obvious concern. But statistically speaking, you need to get your hands dirty day one. A basic mafia game generally has 25-33% mafia(information from mafiascum.net about a basic setup), in this game that would be 3-4. For major paranoia about mislynching and the mafia win let's use 4 mafia. If we end up getting a mislynch and the doctor(if we have one) doesn't save the mafia's hit we are down to 4 mafia and 6 town. If that sceneario occurs again(from chance an not using any leads we have)? It will be 4:4. Statistically speaking a no lynch would increase the mafia to town ratio in the mafia's favor.
If we were to no lynch and the mafia gets a successful hit in the night then we have 4 mafia and 7 town. If we were to mislynch maybe due to little information from not having a lynch the previous day we would be at 4 mafia and 5 town. In this fashion it's slowing down the number of town getting killed but it is also decreasing the chances of lowering the amound of mafia in the ratio.
Am I doing it, right?
That and you haven't changed your vote to indicate that you still believe in a no lynch.
If he is mafia, that is a pretty EPIC troll for his fourth post ever. Specifically this part here: "25-33% mafia(information from mafiascum.net about a basic setup)." Now, it is possible he is just epic trolling, but I see it as almost 0% likely.
I don't know if nom is town or scum. But I'd like to point out this type of behavior is his standard modus operandi.
Court Mafia: Day 1, hatch plan to KILL EVERYONE ELSE IN A SINGLE NIGHT, when the plan only allows him to hit 11 random players, ATTEMPTS TO FIRE ANYHOW (Roleblocked).
In other words....Nom is an impulsive player who doesn't think about planning long-term or listening to others. I wouldn't be surprised if he was town. At all.
SO then what do you think of someone bringing the vote count TO L-1 and then demaning everyone not to finish the lynch until everyone is ready?
I think you're talking about Nom_Anor? but he wasn't the one who unvoted it from -1. I guess you could be talking about Goatrevolt since he unvoted, but he didn't put it at -1.
I'm a little confused about who you're talking about but I'm pretty sure you mean Nom_Anor
Nom_Anor, reading through again it kind of caught me off guard when he voted for A_W since he was pretty adamant about keeping him alive, although I guess I can understand changing his mind. I can't really find the other part you're talking about though
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demaning everyone not to finish the lynch until everyone is ready?
The closest thing I see is goatrevolt's post but I don't think that's it.
I think you're talking about Nom_Anor? but he wasn't the one who unvoted it from -1. I guess you could be talking about Goatrevolt since he unvoted, but he didn't put it at -1.
I'm a little confused about who you're talking about but I'm pretty sure you mean Nom_Anor
My question is simply this:
SO then what do you think of someone bringing the vote count TO L-1 and then demaning everyone not to finish the lynch until everyone is ready?
My question is to YOU Drak about the actions brought in this game. I want to know what YOU think about it.
Nom_Anor, reading through again it kind of caught me off guard when he voted for A_W since he was pretty adamant about keeping him alive, although I guess I can understand changing his mind. I can't really find the other part you're talking about though
Would you say that Nom is looking more scummy because of this? Besides Alpha, who would you say is scum?
The closest thing I see is goatrevolt's post but I don't think that's it.
Goat's post is exactly what I would have wanted from ether you or Toast (Or really anyone voting for Alpha). Once you answer my question I asked I hope you can see what I have been talking about.
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My question is to YOU Drak about the actions brought in this game. I want to know what YOU think about it.
You're asking a pretty broad question here, you're going to have to be more specific if you want me to answer anything other than the things below.
Would you say that Nom is looking more scummy because of this? Besides Alpha, who would you say is scum?
A bit maybe but I don't have a good read on him currently, until that moment I was feeling town but I'm keeping a better eye on him now.
As for who I feel is scum, I'll do the good-ole list.
Alpha Werewolf - Scum
andelijah (replacing Tolor) - No idea
ced395 (replacing Dragoon26) - Town
Draknodred - Me
FereMiyJeenyus - Not much of a read at the moment, but if I had to pick anything I'd guess scum
goatrevolt - Town
Nom_Anor (replacing Master of Warcraft) - Wouldn't be surprised if he was town or scum at the moment, need a better read.
Roja (replacing phoenix33) - Leaning scum.
Slio9 - Did think town 100%, but now he's gone
spotofprety (replacing Roger Watersmelon) - Too much lurking, I thought R_W was scum but spot did a pretty good recovery when he came back, then he disappeared. Leaning scum now.
Toastboy (replacing The Minister) - Town
Wrath_of_Dog - Not enough content to decide at the moment.
Goat's post is exactly what I would have wanted from ether you or Toast (Or really anyone voting for Alpha). Once you answer my question I asked I hope you can see what I have been talking about.
If you're talking about his unvote, well that's something only one person could of done and when this is a game where not everyone is here all the time it's hard to push that as a point. Still aren't really sure where you're going with all this, but I think I answered all your questions, let me know if it's otherwise.
You're asking a pretty broad question here, you're going to have to be more specific if you want me to answer anything other than the things below.
This question wasen't broad when it was directed to anyone else was it? I don't know how else to ask a question about what you think about a player that brings the vote count to 1 from lynch.
A bit maybe but I don't have a good read on him currently, until that moment I was feeling town but I'm keeping a better eye on him now.
Was this a yes or a no? Sounds like a little bit of babble.
As for who I feel is scum, I'll do the good-ole list.
Alpha Werewolf - Scum
andelijah (replacing Tolor) - No idea
ced395 (replacing Dragoon26) - Town
Draknodred - Me
FereMiyJeenyus - Not much of a read at the moment, but if I had to pick anything I'd guess scum
goatrevolt - Town
Nom_Anor (replacing Master of Warcraft) - Wouldn't be surprised if he was town or scum at the moment, need a better read.
Roja (replacing phoenix33) - Leaning scum.
Slio9 - Did think town 100%, but now he's gone
spotofprety (replacing Roger Watersmelon) - Too much lurking, I thought R_W was scum but spot did a pretty good recovery when he came back, then he disappeared. Leaning scum now.
Toastboy (replacing The Minister) - Town
Wrath_of_Dog - Not enough content to decide at the moment.
You people are killing me.. Please PROVE to me that Spotofprey is lurking. Being INACTIVE is not SCUMMY.
Any reason you didn't list yourself as town?
Your Comment on Nom_anor is a no brainer.. Everyone is either town or scum.. (Unless they are a neutral, whch I dont think there would be any in a basic.) I DO find it interesting that your comments about Nom are playing both sides of the fence.
What does Silo not being active change your mind about him?
What about WoD "Not Enough" to comment on.. What makes WoD to have a null read on and FMJ to have a scum read on?
And i'm "leaning" scum, what started me down this path?
If you're talking about his unvote, well that's something only one person could of done and when this is a game where not everyone is here all the time it's hard to push that as a point. Still aren't really sure where you're going with all this, but I think I answered all your questions, let me know if it's otherwise.
So are you saying that had you been here before Goat unvoted, you would have unvoted?
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This question wasen't broad when it was directed to anyone else was it? I don't know how else to ask a question about what you think about a player that brings the vote count to 1 from lynch.
You're asking questions sort of oddly and without any reference at all, it's kinda confusing. You said
My question is to YOU Drak about the actions brought in this game. I want to know what YOU think about it.
What actions? Who's actions? How am I supposed to know who or what you're referencing especially when I wasn't sure in my previous post. You really have to be more clear when you're asking questions of people.
Was this a yes or a no? Sounds like a little bit of babble.
The answer to your question is yes, sorry for not being more clear.
You people are killing me.. Please PROVE to me that Spotofprey is lurking. Being INACTIVE is not SCUMMY.
He posted in Tales of the Fantastic yesterday, the other Mafia game he's in. Seems pretty obvious to me.
Any reason you didn't list yourself as town?
In a game where everyone is trying to be town regardless it seems pointless to do so.
Your Comment on Nom_anor is a no brainer.. Everyone is either town or scum.. (Unless they are a neutral, whch I dont think there would be any in a basic.) I DO find it interesting that your comments about Nom are playing both sides of the fence.
I'm not really playing both sides of the fence, I just haven't decided yet. I can't really take a stance when I don't have one to take yet.
What does Silo not being active change your mind about him?
I still think he's town but I was just saying that he was gone now.
What about WoD "Not Enough" to comment on.. What makes WoD to have a null read on and FMJ to have a scum read on?
Well when WoD posts it's usually just like one sentence, FMJ while his posting is about the same frequency usually posts a bit more.
And i'm "leaning" scum, what started me down this path?
Right now it's just an inkling I have and I don't really have any evidence to back it up.
So are you saying that had you been here before Goat unvoted, you would have unvoted?
This is a WIFOM argument.
Why can't Goat simply be a correct and convinced townie pushing an Alpha-scum lynch? Why can't Goat be a scum pushing the mislynch?
It still feels like you're trying something with this tying the twos' alignments together, especially since we're very near the lynch of one of them, and the other one batted away your case earlier. Just feels like a setup for tomorrow.
Because it feels to me like he's bussing. Perhaps it is a bit of WIFOM, but the biggest reason I think that is because that's how his posts feel. I like how my feelings can't be a reason someone is bussing his scumbuddy but your feelings can be the reason I'm making a setup for tomorrow.
I don't know if nom is town or scum. But I'd like to point out this type of behavior is his standard modus operandi.
Court Mafia: Day 1, hatch plan to KILL EVERYONE ELSE IN A SINGLE NIGHT, when the plan only allows him to hit 11 random players, ATTEMPTS TO FIRE ANYHOW (Roleblocked).
In other words....Nom is an impulsive player who doesn't think about planning long-term or listening to others. I wouldn't be surprised if he was town. At all.
Sorry about being less than thoroughly active, I moved into a new apartment in the last three days.
Anyway, I'm still alive and still pleased with my vote on Alpha. Aside from that, I feel that Nom is worth a look, spot and silo need to post more (hi, kettle!).
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Because it feels to me like he's bussing. Perhaps it is a bit of WIFOM, but the biggest reason I think that is because that's how his posts feel. I like how my feelings can't be a reason someone is bussing his scumbuddy but your feelings can be the reason I'm making a setup for tomorrow.
Can you elaborate on your feelings a little bit? Otherwise, those feelings are pretty much useless to anyone but you. Also, that last line is kind of OMGUS-y, as well as nonsensical.
What better mad mischief than to swap around everyone's hats? I see that you have no answer. And I am not at all surprised, for indeed there is no finer mischief than a swapping around of hats.
Unofficial Votecount (because the last one was 2.5 pages ago :-/):
Alpha Werewolf - 5 (Draknodred, Wrath_of_DoG, FereMiyJeenyus, goatrevolt, toastboy, Nom_Anor)
Nom_Anor - 1 (spotofprey)
Tolor - 1 (Slio9)
FereMiyJeenyus - 1 (ced395)
With the deadline, any targets other than Alpha Werewolf would have to be bandwagoned from almost nothing to claim range, followed up by claim analysis and decision whether or not to carry on to a lynch. While that is certainly possible in a week, I think that some aspects may feel unnecessarily rushed. For instance, some wagoners can claim they're voting just to speed up the process. This type of lynch gives far less material to study the next day.
I have finished my read of the thread, but did not take many notes, and so many of my reads rely heavily on my gut for now. Although Alpha Werewolf is not in my top 3 (in no order: Draknodred, spotofprey, Silo), I have no major objections to his lynch. The night would give me time to look deeper into my suspects and ideally have a case ready for tomorrow.
Ande: Although there probably isn't enough time to find an alternative lynch, I would support at least pressuring somebody before the day finishes.
I'm not sure going for a claim simply for the sake of claiming is worth diverting attention for. Anything other than finding an alternative lynch can be done early tomorrow.
I don't know if nom is town or scum. But I'd like to point out this type of behavior is his standard modus operandi.
Court Mafia: Day 1, hatch plan to KILL EVERYONE ELSE IN A SINGLE NIGHT, when the plan only allows him to hit 11 random players, ATTEMPTS TO FIRE ANYHOW (Roleblocked).
In other words....Nom is an impulsive player who doesn't think about planning long-term or listening to others. I wouldn't be surprised if he was town. At all.
1. Also, I've finished rereading FMJ. In the time before I replaced in I noticed that his pushes on Alpha and Roger were for slightly different reasons than the rest of the town (not necessarily a scumtell, but notable).
2. He displayed a reluctance to vote Alpha or SoP later on (instead asking for a votecount :eyebrow:). He also later accused SoP of "hampering discussion", which is a questionable accusation, and struck me as reaching.
3. Since I replaced in, I've noted his sucking up to me after I posted a Toastboy case (where he took the chance to forget about pressuring SoP or voting Alpha), his overlooking of Goat's opinion on Alpha (which is probably null in retrospect), and finally there's his "daykill mixup" and his weird-sounding explanation for it.
4. Reviewing it all, I see plenty of odd stuff, but there's nothing about his play that struck me as really scummy. Indeed, some of his earlier posts felt much more like a logical townie.
1. I made an effort to contribute to the discussions and cases instead of merely barning what others had said. Glad you noticed.
2. spot was at L-2 when I unvoted, and I wasn't keeping careful track of votes, so asking for a vote count was reasonable. As for the hampering discussion thing, that was mostly poor phrasing on my part. It felt like spot came into the game and just said "meh, little to no opinion" to everything that was happening at that point in the game, and that irked me.
3. The sucking up to you was partially because I thought the "in a perfect world" thing sounded funny, but mostly because you brought a lot of content to the game. I'll save my appreciation for the post-game if you'd rather do it that way. The goat thing comes from the fact that I missed reading that one line, and the daykill thing is just me misinterpreting what was said. If Alpha had said "lynched" instead of "hammered," I wouldn't have made that mistake.
4. Sounds about right. You might also want to note that my scummy actions can typically be attributed to me not devoting enough time/attention to the game. This is just poor play, and I'm going to rectify it starting Monday, because I have to sleep and work between now and then.
What better mad mischief than to swap around everyone's hats? I see that you have no answer. And I am not at all surprised, for indeed there is no finer mischief than a swapping around of hats.
I can't work out if you're being sarcastic and there is another reference implicit in your name that I don't get, or if you are actually thanking me for being able to read phonetically...
I don't think putting the third vote on someone in the early stages of the game is that scummy, as long as it doesnt put them at -2 to lynch.
Legitimate opinion.
Lynch -2 is claim range. I think Lynch -3 is only justifiable if there's some real suspicion, and I was borderline there.
That said, I already mentioned it's not important at this stage, and I'd only push the case if this happened later in the game without a real case. I'm starting to think that you pwoplw are overreacting to how I reacted.
I wasn't reacting at all. You, on the other hand, with that post, seem to be overreacting a bit yourself.
The case on Roger Watersmelon is solid, and even more so now that he's replacing out. No matter what the Mod said, I think its a classic newb scum panic-replacement.
FOS Roger Watersmelon, with intent to VOTE once we get a count.
The late randomvote issue. A null tell in my opinion. However, why didn't you vote immediatly if you thought RW was newb scum?
WoD's back and forth is quite puzzling, something that should warrant closer inspection from now on. FWIW, he does have a reputation for, ahem, light posting.
I usually just skim over random votes. I only noticed after I re-read that he slandered me, so mentioned it in the post I made.
To call a new zealander an australian is roughly equivalent to calling an american a canadian, or an englishman french.
Already commented on this.
Here's my opinions on all the players.
Alpha Werewolf hasn't actually done much to set off my scumdar. I think the comments regarding him as Spot of Watersmelon's partner are reaching quite hard.
After re-reading RW and considering the pro-town way that Spot has been playing, I'm willing to drop my pseudo-vote on him. I'll be keeping an eye on him despite this, as the replace-out was ridiculously scummy no matter what the mod says.
Dragoon and Minister haven't posted enough for me to have anything resembling an opinion of either of them.
I really like Tolor's first post, and hope he continues to contribute in this manner.
Silo9 seems also to be making a real effort to contribute, I especially like his last post.
I dislike Master of Warcraft's play so far, he seems to be trying to use WIFOM, to make himself seem more genuine, by openly questioning his courses of action. That being said, there isn't really anything really voteworthy, I think it could just be a newer player flailing around a bit. At least he hasn't requested replacement...
His horrific slandering of my nationality aside, I'd like to see Phoenix33 post more. What he has posted is uninspiring to say the best, leaning scum on him. Vote can stay for now...
Goatrevolt seems to be thinking outside the box more than any other player, and so far appears to be solidly pro-town.
Draknodred absolutely screams enthusiastic town. He's been actively posting, and scumhunting as best he can. I cannot foresee any scenario where he can be scum, right now.
FearMyGenius has been rather quiet lately. Could go either way.
Wrath_of_DoG is undoubtedly the most townie player in the game.
Interesting how I'm the only one who you suspect at the moment who you didn't suspect earlier.
What makes you suspicious of Roja now, apart from the player he replaced?
Obviously your suspicion of me come after this. Could you point at specific posts I made, or is it a general feeling?
Some players on this list were listed as definite town (goat, drak). What do you think of them now?
@Goat - I believe that RW is just a terrible player - the only reason I'm a little suspicious of Spot is the dodgy replace-out by RW. Despite this, I have seen newb towns replace out under pressure before also. Myrf is the player I think he's getting opinions out there, and to be honest, I think using RW as an argument against him is very hard for him to answer. I think he's conducting himself in the most pro-town manner he can, given his freaking terrible predecessor.
@whoever it was who said I was still random voting - At the time, I was going to vote Roger Watersmelon once there was a vote count, so my vote on Phoenix was a placeholder vote until then. It now is not, he's the player I am most suspicious of.
I've re-read through Roger Watersmelon a couple of times, and once more, I just think he is a terrible, terrible player.
We shouldn't lynch Spot based on this.
This post just sounds... neutral. Apart from saying "we shouldn't lynch spot based on RW" - and not in a very strong way, mind - you're not really saying anything here.
I have read Famous Decks Mafia.
I didn't bother to explain my vote before because it wasn't a serious vote at the time.
Yeah, that's all I have to say. If you'd like me to say more, feel free to ask me some questions.
And yeah, I'm not a great player, and have never pretended to be, but you don't see me getting half the town riled up then replacing out during the backlash.
A load of nothing. Apart from a slight suggestion to us - "I'm not good", which is not far from a noob card.
So you were random voting, as opposed to what you said in your last post? I find it hard to believe you have no other comments, and want your vote to remain on Phoenix. I really do.
If you read carefully, you would notice that I said AT THE TIME. Since then, I withdrew my pseudo-vote on SpotWaters for a vote on Phoenix, but since my (AT THE TIME I POSTED THE VOTE) random vote was still there, I didn't see the need for an unvote revote.
So, to summarize, it is a serious vote.
Nothing to add on here. However I don't see the need for CAPS LOCKING in this post - the post quoted wasn't very aggressive.
Hey guys sorry I haven't been posting more, but this thread is becoming a real TL;DR-fest. It's a bit taxing to work my way through it while still trying to form coherent thoughts.
Fair enough - it seems like only four or five of the players have been active at the wall o' text time.
Imagine if Nai made one of his megaposts here.
Oh, god, please, NO!!!
Agreed.
Bleh. If I never see a wall of text again, it will be too soon.
Unvote, Vote Alpha Werewolf.
No I did not. Don't put words in my mouth. This renders the rest of this part's points null.
this, and the following responses to it is the highest form of flip-flopping.
I really don't like how he has been responding to the attacks on him.
Valid point. I was horribly emotional there.
However as goat mentions in the next post, how are the rest of my defenses scummy? You're saying very little here again.
Basically I really did not like this exchange.
No I did not. Don't put words in my mouth. This renders the rest of this part's points null.
He not only viciously denies saying something he blatantly did say, but also uses that as a springboard to not answer any more of the valid statements in the paragraph. And his eventual response to this was once again VERY squirmy.
Wagons have been forming on me on and off, and frankly the best move for the town at the moment is lynch me. By lynching me you learn quite a bit about more of the active posters and then some about the less active ones.
I've made too many mistakes here. It would be far more beneficial to the town as a whole to get rid of me.
His next post is "no hard feelings guys" + defeatism, accompanied by "lynch me now!" which is the same tactic I used in Star Trek Mafia to appear very townie just before the lynch vote. I was scum, and it almost worked.
So, yeah. Let's give him what he "wants".
Confirm Vote.
According to this post you voted me for one small part of the response. The defeatism is irrelevant - you original vote was purely on the basis of one tell, which reeks of nitpicking.
I don't need a prod! I'm still here. Just nothing to really say. AW should die.
Plainsight lurking.
So, Alpha makes an "I'm dead, lynch me pls kthx" post, but he has a completely confirmable role?
That does not compute.
Happy with my vote as it is.
How is night vigilante confirmable?
You seem too eager to get rid of me. You don't even consider the option that I'm telling the truth.
Also, prod/replacement for Tolor? his last post was 9 days ago.
True...
Still reading. At 3-day LAN party, may not post
This I found interesting since there wasn't that much to the posts around the time. More lurking in my opinion.
OK, 3-day LAN Party is over, commencing reading.
Yay.
Yeah, I'm still 100% keen on Alpha's lynch.
You're not even reffering to any new info, you're just saying that you're fine as is.
Forgive me for always asking what feels to be the same thing all the time with you ***. But any other insite?
For a start, it is not ***, it's WoD. And no, I don't currently have any other insight.
I see the QuoteWars have begun anew. Zzzz.
I still want to lynch Alpha for the reasons I've stated before. I cannot believe we are letting him get away with such an easy false-claim, especially given his defeatism...
If, as he says, he is a town vigilante, he would have claimed it earlier rather than going GG guyz, lynch me now!
Again, the "reasons you stated" are not very solid or numerous.
Night vigilante, EASY claim? Hah. Not to mention you say "get away" as if this is the only time to lynch me.
And again I point you to the actions of Wolf with a Bass in newb #24 and ChrisXIV, if I recall this one, in #30.
WwaB made us LOSE. He did the exact same thing I did, but at LYLO. Thing is, town makes stupid plays when emotional.
That is WIFOM, and not a defense at all.
Oooooh, this is a gem. It is in fact blatantly NOT WIFOM, as I explained very shortly after this. But hey, you respond in one of your next two posts, right?
Sorry guys, this game has me a bit uninspired right now.
I'll try and re-read and post an updated scumlist.
I think it would be a good idea if everyone posted their top 3 scum candidates.
Nothing of substance here.
My three would have to be Roja (replacing Phoenix), Alpha, obv, and Nom Anor.
I referenced this when talking about your only post that was more than six sentences or so.
Conclusion: Plainsight lurking, saying as little as he can about anything, ignoring my response to him after mentioning he'll do a reread for an updated scumlist and continues ignoring it after posting the list means more to me than tells that could be easily referenced to stupid/noob town. Not to mention his vote still apparently stands on the basis of my one little response to toast, for lack of other info from him.
He is a neutral read in my book, but finding support for another lynch this "late" in the day won't be easy. His PBPA on WoD was pretty good - his conclusions actually mirror most of what I've been saying to myself when seeing his posts. Might as well get on with the game at this point.
A_W seems town to me. His reversal from "lynch me for information" to now "don't lynch me, the information wouldn't do anything anyway" seems very organic and reflects a thoughtful townie (yet newb) mindset.
He is a neutral read in my book, but finding support for another lynch this "late" in the day won't be easy. His PBPA on WoD was pretty good - his conclusions actually mirror most of what I've been saying to myself when seeing his posts. Might as well get on with the game at this point.
He dropped from town to neutral, and your only comment is that you agree with his suspicions of WoD?
Vote spotofprey
By the way, the "won't find another case in time" reason to lynch A_W is "week" as hell. There is plenty of time.
You're asking questions sort of oddly and without any reference at all, it's kinda confusing. You said
What actions? Who's actions? How am I supposed to know who or what you're referencing especially when I wasn't sure in my previous post. You really have to be more clear when you're asking questions of people.
I am talking generally in the game of mafia.. I want to know what YOU Drak, think about a person that brings the lynch to 1 vote. It really isn't that hard of a question to answer.
He posted in Tales of the Fantastic yesterday, the other Mafia game he's in. Seems pretty obvious to me.
Doesn't mean he is lurking. If done on a continual basis I would agree then.
In a game where everyone is trying to be town regardless it seems pointless to do so.
Pointless to call yourself town? Meh I just found it interesting.
I'm not really playing both sides of the fence, I just haven't decided yet. I can't really take a stance when I don't have one to take yet.
Ah yet you took "no stance" on Andel and WoD. You just worded all three very differently.
I still think he's town but I was just saying that he was gone now.
I disagree. I think He's scum.
Well when WoD posts it's usually just like one sentence, FMJ while his posting is about the same frequency usually posts a bit more.
So the length of one's post indicates if they are scum or town?
Right now it's just an inkling I have and I don't really have any evidence to back it up.
Could this "inkling" have anything to do that I keep mention that I think you are scum?
@Alpha, you do make some good points against WoD, but I can't shake the feeling that a lot of them are forced. Sure, he hasn't contributed and has been lurking, but that's about it. I will have a re-read myself, but I'm still pushing for your lynch today.
Are the points he trying to make forced or are they good points? Please explain to me a forced good point.
He is a neutral read in my book, but finding support for another lynch this "late" in the day won't be easy. His PBPA on WoD was pretty good - his conclusions actually mirror most of what I've been saying to myself when seeing his posts. Might as well get on with the game at this point.
I don't like your method here on pushing the wagon to lynch. Neutral read meaning you feel he is a serial killer?
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I am talking generally in the game of mafia.. I want to know what YOU Drak, think about a person that brings the lynch to 1 vote. It really isn't that hard of a question to answer.
I don't really think too much of it, since other people can just unvote and eventually the vote has to be brought to one. I'd be more concerned about someone who hammered without discussion or something.
Doesn't mean he is lurking. If done on a continual basis I would agree then.
Difference of opinion
So the length of one's post indicates if they are scum or town?
No, but heard more and the more that I've heard leads me to my suspicions but if there is no content to read then I can't gather any opinions.
Could this "inkling" have anything to do that I keep mention that I think you are scum?
No, I think just about everyone throughout the game called me scum at one point but that doesn't mean I think they're scum.
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Unvote, Vote Alpha Werewolf
He is a neutral read in my book, but finding support for another lynch this "late" in the day won't be easy. His PBPA on WoD was pretty good - his conclusions actually mirror most of what I've been saying to myself when seeing his posts. Might as well get on with the game at this point.
Seems like a pretty weak argument, but I guess I can kind of understand as this game has been dragging on without much happening for a while now.
You seem inordinately aggressive this game, any reason why?
@Spot:
If Alpha had a good PBPA, one mirroring your opinion, why did you vote for him or her?
@Everyone commenting on Spot's post:
By context, neutral clearly means he doesn't have a read on him one way or another. He's clearly not accusing him of SK, because then he wouldn't have to say "but finding support for another lynch this "late" in the day won't be easy."
@Ande:
Where are you? You're the most town person here, so it would be nice if you could come post some.
I don't know if nom is town or scum. But I'd like to point out this type of behavior is his standard modus operandi.
Court Mafia: Day 1, hatch plan to KILL EVERYONE ELSE IN A SINGLE NIGHT, when the plan only allows him to hit 11 random players, ATTEMPTS TO FIRE ANYHOW (Roleblocked).
In other words....Nom is an impulsive player who doesn't think about planning long-term or listening to others. I wouldn't be surprised if he was town. At all.
I don't really think too much of it, since other people can just unvote and eventually the vote has to be brought to one. I'd be more concerned about someone who hammered without discussion or something.
Now wait.. going with your reasoning on how you didn't unvote last time. (Due to you yourself being busy.) Someone always being here to unvote shouldn't be a defense. I already argued my point about how I feel about this with Toast, however it is good to see where you stand. Also don't you think Spots vote isn't something to question?
No, but heard more and the more that I've heard leads me to my suspicions but if there is no content to read then I can't gather any opinions.
So you have no read on WoD because he hasen't talked much? And while FMJ has talked more, it only has caused him to look like scum in your eyes. Am I getting this correct?
No, I think just about everyone throughout the game called me scum at one point but that doesn't mean I think they're scum.
Well we wouldn't want you to OMGUS someone, that wouldn't look good for you.
Seems like a pretty weak argument, but I guess I can kind of understand as this game has been dragging on without much happening for a while now.
So weak argument or are you just ready for the day to end?
I said "some" are good, "a lot seem forced". Not necessarily both. However, they can be - if it is a good point that's been around for a while but he doesn't sound like he means it, for instance. A lot of that post, just seemed false, and forced.
Please provide me an example of both with Alpha's latest statement.
@Roja:
You seem inordinately aggressive this game, any reason why?
I don't agree with those I have attacked. And am trying to find out who on this wagon is/are the scum forcing it. I find asking questions gets us answers I have just been asking a lot more here.
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He is a neutral read in my book, but finding support for another lynch this "late" in the day won't be easy. His PBPA on WoD was pretty good - his conclusions actually mirror most of what I've been saying to myself when seeing his posts. Might as well get on with the game at this point.
So your vote rational is "might as well get on with the game"? Okay, but if there was a player who was posting pretty good PBPA's that mirrored my opinions, I'd go out of my way not to lynch them.
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The scum mindset explanation would be that the scum doesn't want to be in the spotlight, and so tries to avoid the accusation of barning, whilst still wagon jumping.
So, which mindset do you think it was? Also, I'm all for calling Cheeseburger Consortium Cheese, and will do so from this point on.
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@Everyone commenting on Spot's post:
By context, neutral clearly means he doesn't have a read on him one way or another. He's clearly not accusing him of SK, because then he wouldn't have to say "but finding support for another lynch this "late" in the day won't be easy."
Two things. One, only Roja mentioned a serial killer; two, don't answer for Spot.
Anyway, I've got some time to kill, so I'm going to reread.
What better mad mischief than to swap around everyone's hats? I see that you have no answer. And I am not at all surprised, for indeed there is no finer mischief than a swapping around of hats.
PBPA on WoD. I figure if I'm going to get lynched I might as well do a thorough investigation here.
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Randomvote.
Legitimate opinion.
I still don't see my over-reaction here.Your post sounded to me as though you were hastily trying to cut off reactions.
The late randomvote issue. A null tell in my opinion. However, why didn't you vote immediatly if you thought RW was newb scum? Because, as I said, I was waiting for a votecount first.
Already commented on this.
Interesting how I'm the only one who you suspect at the moment who you didn't suspect earlier.
What makes you suspicious of Roja now, apart from the player he replaced? Mostly just that he replaced Phoenix, who I've been suspicious of for awhile. Unlike Spot, his post-replacement play hasn't really done anything for me.
Obviously your suspicion of me come after this. Could you point at specific posts I made, or is it a general feeling? Nope, nothing specific. Just re-read.
Some players on this list were listed as definite town (goat, drak). What do you think of them now? I still feel pretty good about goat and drak. Draknodred especially.
This post just sounds... neutral. Apart from saying "we shouldn't lynch spot based on RW" - and not in a very strong way, mind - you're not really saying anything here.
A load of nothing. Apart from a slight suggestion to us - "I'm not good", which is not far from a noob card.
Nothing to add on here. However I don't see the need for CAPS LOCKING in this post - the post quoted wasn't very aggressive. The reason I was "caps locking" as you put it, is simply because so many people made me repeat myself. Notice how they don't after this?
Fair enough - it seems like only four or five of the players have been active at the wall o' text time.
Agreed.
Valid point. I was horribly emotional there.
However as goat mentions in the next post, how are the rest of my defenses scummy? You're saying very little here again.
According to this post you voted me for one small part of the response. The defeatism is irrelevant - you original vote was purely on the basis of one tell, which reeks of nitpicking. Firstly, the defeatism is not irrelevant at all. Townies don't just give up like that. Secondly, sure, the "small part" may have been the trigger, but it isn't the only part of the case.
Plainsight lurking. Easy to say. No-one was posting anything relevant, at the time, and I was just restating my opinion, and confirming that it is still my opinion.
How is night vigilante confirmable? You're seriously asking? Night-vig is, other than day-vig, probably the most confirmable role in the game of Mafia today. You shoot someone, and there is a second body to prove that you are what you say you are.
You seem too eager to get rid of me. You don't even consider the option that I'm telling the truth. I think you should be the lynch for the day, yes. No, I don't think you're telling the truth.
True...
This I found interesting since there wasn't that much to the posts around the time. More lurking in my opinion.When I said I'm still reading I meant that even though I haven't posted that I am still up-to-date with the game.
Yay.
You're not even reffering to any new info, you're just saying that you're fine as is. There ISN'T any new info.
Again, the "reasons you stated" are not very solid or numerous.
Night vigilante, EASY claim? Hah. Not to mention you say "get away" as if this is the only time to lynch me. Yeah, it's pretty easy to make.
Oooooh, this is a gem. It is in fact blatantly NOT WIFOM, as I explained very shortly after this. But hey, you respond in one of your next two posts, right?Maybe not WIFOM, exactly, but definitely not a defense. Using some random's play as a reason to clear you? No. Meta only works when it concerns the relevant player. If WwaB was in your situation, maybe then he could use his play in that game as an excuse.
Nothing of substance here.
I referenced this when talking about your only post that was more than six sentences or so.
Conclusion: Plainsight lurking, saying as little as he can about anything, ignoring my response to him after mentioning he'll do a reread for an updated scumlist and continues ignoring it after posting the list means more to me than tells that could be easily referenced to stupid/noob town. Not to mention his vote still apparently stands on the basis of my one little response to toast, for lack of other info from him.
By the way, the "won't find another case in time" reason to lynch A_W is "week" as hell. There is plenty of time.
While there technically is enough time, it certainly won't feel like it, and excuses or rationale's of "because the deadline is 4 days away" for voting and claiming make later analysis rather moot. The Alpha wagon, on the other hand is a) on a decently scummy, even though not the most scummy, target and b) already seems to have had enough support for a lynching, excluding the several unvotes for me and Cheeseburger Consortium to catch up.
A contribution from Ande would be helpful too. All he's provided since he replaced in is his top three scumlist (two of which I don't agree with :-/)
I disagree. I have stated that it is easier to catch up (for the recent replacements) and make a case (for myself, at least) during the night, where I don't have to worry about the game progressing while I reread. This becomes doubly true because I now have a 9-5 job without MTGS access, and so it is easier to do things over the weekend.
If a wagon comes up on someone I suspect, I will vote them, but I do not have the time right now to create a case. Otherwise I support carrying through with an Alpha Werewolf lynch.
Does nobody else find it unbelievably scummy for spot to change Alpha from "someone who is showing an organic townie thought process" to "neutral read" and vote him? Considering the only thing Alpha has done during the period between spot's two posts is create a case on WoD that Spot agreed with, this is about as scummy as is possible.
It must be tough as scum to remember your previous stances on players when you're just making stuff up as you go.
goat brings up some interesting points, but for now I'll answer WoD:
First, the defeatism is irrelevant for that post since at the time you acted on the basis of one tell, and that seems scummy to me. Oh, the defeatism reinforced your opinion afterwards, but it didn't make you vote in the first place. At the time, it was your whole case.
Did you read my posts about what a load of WIFOM night vig is? Scum could skip their nightkill, roleblock me, whatever - and you'd never know if I'm scum or town.
There was a lot of new info - all the stuff we debated that was going on. You mean you didn't find anything scummy there? So now you're voting on the basis of two tells?
Night vig isn't easy to claim, as I said earlier.
Okay, let's take someone else. I don't recall the details exactly, but I'm fairly sure that under some massive pressure, ChrisXIV in #30, who was the doctor, told us to just lynch him.
I'm still fairly certain about WoD being scum. However if this spot lynch goes forward I'll gladly review the case.
Oh right, the one post saying he's going to re-read everything.....???? I mean according to your own logic shouldn't he be a "no read"?
He isn't LURKING. He is INACTIVE. Please use the right word. Lurking implies that he is actively reading the thread however ignoring to reply which isn't the case here. He's so not into the game he left it.. Him being an inactive doesn't mean he is scum, so why would you use the word Death again?
What? You think s*** Goat is trying to Bus s*** Alpha. You can't see scum Goat bussing town Alpha? I realize that scum don't "bus" townies but what logic is this? What is it about Goat that makes you feel this way about him?
I don't know what you are reading, however I'm trying to get my feel from toast whether or not he is scum or not. I'm also one that doesn't just toss my vote out. Right now I don't feel too strong about placing a vote on anyone. However if I had to right now It would be on Drak.
I thank you.
There is a huge difference with a replacement owning up to their prior player's comments and someone else commenting. Would you say that if Phoneix/Roja sceen were the RW/Spot sceen you would be looking like Alpha at this moment?
I understand you want Alpha lynched. You SAID however you want discussion as well. How can we as a group discuss if the game goes into night? Unless you really don't need to hear anything from any of us that is. Can you see Goats post where he unvoted, I don't take it as he doesn't want Alpha lynched, I see it as he wants more room for discussion. Actions speak louder then words here Toast.
And it isn't the only topic being discussed. Are you ready to move into the next day? Are all your questions asked about everyone? You cant because you say here:
Don't you think it would be a good idea to get SOME sort of read on everyone before ending the day? And what if Alpha is scum, where would you look?
Forgive me for always asking what feels to be the same thing all the time with you ***. But any other insite?
I think I would like you to explain why disassociating a replacements from the orginal player is scummy?
All it WOULD have taken would have been a random vote to Alpha to prematurely end the day. That is a big deal to me.
You don't have a read on me yet? I ask the question because while you are saying one thing your actions are showing another. You don't want the day to end, which would end the discussion for the day, however you'll keep your vote on someone who is 1 vote away from ending the day. You do see how inconsistent that sounds right?
You are correct, someone being 1 from lynched doesn't curb discussion. However the discussion could end abruptly. If Alpha is scum I would take a look at Drak and his reactions/comments/movements on a scum wagon. I would also take a look at Nom and you as well.
Anyone who would hammer him at this point would come under heavy suspicion as we are still waiting on a replacement (maybe two) to comment and finish off this replacement heavy day. Then again we'd lose out on lots of discussion so it'd be a win-lose (or lose-lose if it was a town who hammered).
I don't quite understand what "bus" means in terms of mafia, I know there's a bus driver role sometimes but that doesn't seem like what you're referring to. Could someone enlighten me on this please?
Gotta go back to work but I'll try to post again later when I can.
SO then what do you think of someone bringing the vote count TO L-1 and then demaning everyone not to finish the lynch until everyone is ready?
Think "Throwing someone under the bus". Toast said it well.
So the replacement according to you should be automaticly doomed if the orginal player played badly?
No not random voting stage.. A random vote. Like "we are getting no where with this and lets end the day" and then votes ending the day. IM not saying anyone WOULD do so, but why give them the oppertunity to? "Good faith" only would get us so far.
Currently im thinking you are town. But I don't like some of your answers..Esp when you asked for everyones discussion when you really wanted a vote count.
Yup. Alpha being town or scum I don't think would change my opinion of him at the moment.
Toast: Bussing is getting your scumbuddie lynched so you can look more town. What you and Roja are doing is just dissociating.
Goat: You're bussing him because you're trying to hard. If he flips scum, it feels a lot more likely to me you were bussing him than you were town on a good lynch. For you being town if he's town, there is just no way a scum would keep trying to get a town lynched when tomorrow, everyone would say, "see, we should have let him live another day" and look hard at you.
I see the QuoteWars have begun anew. Zzzz.
I still want to lynch Alpha for the reasons I've stated before. I cannot believe we are letting him get away with such an easy false-claim, especially given his defeatism...
If, as he says, he is a town vigilante, he would have claimed it earlier rather than going GG guyz, lynch me now!
WwaB made us LOSE. He did the exact same thing I did, but at LYLO. Thing is, town makes stupid plays when emotional.
My blog.
Nom I don't see your logic at ALL with Goat. And do you still beleive that Alpha is scum?
Also you said Andel was obvtown for his posting.. not with Tolor.
Sorry. Wrath of ... I always think *** not WoD.
Why isn't it the same? I mean ignoring the fact that the one vote finishes the day where one brought the option availble.
So then where is the line of not ignoring it and beleive that no matter what the player says that the role is scum?
You do see how this doesn't make you look good right?
I attributed it to Ande's posts because I was just responding to the questions without thinking too hard; I remembered I'd found Ande to be obviously town from when I was reading back, and I just forgot he'd been Tolor for most of that time.
He had good, solid analysis, but even moreso, he feels like newb town: he is willing to make solid arguments about other players while being mildly incorrect about things like bandwangons being bad and unsure about why a no-lynch day 1 isn't a good thing.
But most of all, it was this post.
If he is mafia, that is a pretty EPIC troll for his fourth post ever. Specifically this part here: "25-33% mafia(information from mafiascum.net about a basic setup)." Now, it is possible he is just epic trolling, but I see it as almost 0% likely.
I think you're talking about Nom_Anor? but he wasn't the one who unvoted it from -1. I guess you could be talking about Goatrevolt since he unvoted, but he didn't put it at -1.
I'm a little confused about who you're talking about but I'm pretty sure you mean Nom_Anor
Nom_Anor, reading through again it kind of caught me off guard when he voted for A_W since he was pretty adamant about keeping him alive, although I guess I can understand changing his mind. I can't really find the other part you're talking about though
The closest thing I see is goatrevolt's post but I don't think that's it.
No it is not.
I brought evidence to prove my point.
WIFOM is when I say "but if I was scum, I wouldn't do this".
My blog.
My question is simply this:
My question is to YOU Drak about the actions brought in this game. I want to know what YOU think about it.
Would you say that Nom is looking more scummy because of this? Besides Alpha, who would you say is scum?
Goat's post is exactly what I would have wanted from ether you or Toast (Or really anyone voting for Alpha). Once you answer my question I asked I hope you can see what I have been talking about.
You're asking a pretty broad question here, you're going to have to be more specific if you want me to answer anything other than the things below.
A bit maybe but I don't have a good read on him currently, until that moment I was feeling town but I'm keeping a better eye on him now.
As for who I feel is scum, I'll do the good-ole list.
Alpha Werewolf - Scum
andelijah (replacing Tolor) - No idea
ced395 (replacing Dragoon26) - Town
Draknodred - Me
FereMiyJeenyus - Not much of a read at the moment, but if I had to pick anything I'd guess scum
goatrevolt - Town
Nom_Anor (replacing Master of Warcraft) - Wouldn't be surprised if he was town or scum at the moment, need a better read.
Roja (replacing phoenix33) - Leaning scum.
Slio9 - Did think town 100%, but now he's gone
spotofprety (replacing Roger Watersmelon) - Too much lurking, I thought R_W was scum but spot did a pretty good recovery when he came back, then he disappeared. Leaning scum now.
Toastboy (replacing The Minister) - Town
Wrath_of_Dog - Not enough content to decide at the moment.
If you're talking about his unvote, well that's something only one person could of done and when this is a game where not everyone is here all the time it's hard to push that as a point. Still aren't really sure where you're going with all this, but I think I answered all your questions, let me know if it's otherwise.
This question wasen't broad when it was directed to anyone else was it? I don't know how else to ask a question about what you think about a player that brings the vote count to 1 from lynch.
Was this a yes or a no? Sounds like a little bit of babble.
You people are killing me.. Please PROVE to me that Spotofprey is lurking. Being INACTIVE is not SCUMMY.
Any reason you didn't list yourself as town?
Your Comment on Nom_anor is a no brainer.. Everyone is either town or scum.. (Unless they are a neutral, whch I dont think there would be any in a basic.) I DO find it interesting that your comments about Nom are playing both sides of the fence.
What does Silo not being active change your mind about him?
What about WoD "Not Enough" to comment on.. What makes WoD to have a null read on and FMJ to have a scum read on?
And i'm "leaning" scum, what started me down this path?
So are you saying that had you been here before Goat unvoted, you would have unvoted?
You're asking questions sort of oddly and without any reference at all, it's kinda confusing. You said
What actions? Who's actions? How am I supposed to know who or what you're referencing especially when I wasn't sure in my previous post. You really have to be more clear when you're asking questions of people.
The answer to your question is yes, sorry for not being more clear.
He posted in Tales of the Fantastic yesterday, the other Mafia game he's in. Seems pretty obvious to me.
In a game where everyone is trying to be town regardless it seems pointless to do so.
I'm not really playing both sides of the fence, I just haven't decided yet. I can't really take a stance when I don't have one to take yet.
I still think he's town but I was just saying that he was gone now.
Well when WoD posts it's usually just like one sentence, FMJ while his posting is about the same frequency usually posts a bit more.
Right now it's just an inkling I have and I don't really have any evidence to back it up.
In the same situation yes.
Though, it would have been
Um. Because that's what bussing is. I was correcting Toastboy on the definition of bussing with that post.
Because it feels to me like he's bussing. Perhaps it is a bit of WIFOM, but the biggest reason I think that is because that's how his posts feel. I like how my feelings can't be a reason someone is bussing his scumbuddy but your feelings can be the reason I'm making a setup for tomorrow.
Prods going out.
Sorry I've been pretty inattentive to this game, everyone. The end of school's been hitting me harder than expected.
I'll try and re-read and post an updated scumlist.
I think it would be a good idea if everyone posted their top 3 scum candidates.
Anyway, I'm still alive and still pleased with my vote on Alpha. Aside from that, I feel that Nom is worth a look, spot and silo need to post more (hi, kettle!).
Can you elaborate on your feelings a little bit? Otherwise, those feelings are pretty much useless to anyone but you. Also, that last line is kind of OMGUS-y, as well as nonsensical.
A subtle trap, for sure.
Already posted the list, but wither way:
1. WoD
2. Nom
3. FMJ
Please respond to my last post.
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Alpha Werewolf - 5 (Draknodred, Wrath_of_DoG, FereMiyJeenyus, goatrevolt, toastboy, Nom_Anor)
Nom_Anor - 1 (spotofprey)
Tolor - 1 (Slio9)
FereMiyJeenyus - 1 (ced395)
With the deadline, any targets other than Alpha Werewolf would have to be bandwagoned from almost nothing to claim range, followed up by claim analysis and decision whether or not to carry on to a lynch. While that is certainly possible in a week, I think that some aspects may feel unnecessarily rushed. For instance, some wagoners can claim they're voting just to speed up the process. This type of lynch gives far less material to study the next day.
I have finished my read of the thread, but did not take many notes, and so many of my reads rely heavily on my gut for now. Although Alpha Werewolf is not in my top 3 (in no order: Draknodred, spotofprey, Silo), I have no major objections to his lynch. The night would give me time to look deeper into my suspects and ideally have a case ready for tomorrow.
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Alpha Werewolf - 5 (Draknodred, Wrath_of_DoG, FereMiyJeenyus, Toastboy, Nom_Anor)
Nom_Anor - 1 (spotofprey)
andelijah - 1 (Slio9)
Nothing had changed much! I assumed you guys knew where you stood.
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Ced: I've numbered your points (and my responses) for ease of reading.
1. I made an effort to contribute to the discussions and cases instead of merely barning what others had said. Glad you noticed.
2. spot was at L-2 when I unvoted, and I wasn't keeping careful track of votes, so asking for a vote count was reasonable. As for the hampering discussion thing, that was mostly poor phrasing on my part. It felt like spot came into the game and just said "meh, little to no opinion" to everything that was happening at that point in the game, and that irked me.
3. The sucking up to you was partially because I thought the "in a perfect world" thing sounded funny, but mostly because you brought a lot of content to the game. I'll save my appreciation for the post-game if you'd rather do it that way. The goat thing comes from the fact that I missed reading that one line, and the daykill thing is just me misinterpreting what was said. If Alpha had said "lynched" instead of "hammered," I wouldn't have made that mistake.
4. Sounds about right. You might also want to note that my scummy actions can typically be attributed to me not devoting enough time/attention to the game. This is just poor play, and I'm going to rectify it starting Monday, because I have to sleep and work between now and then.
I will be getting caught up tonight and will post when I wake up. Sorry Ged
Randomvote.
Legitimate opinion.
I still don't see my over-reaction here.
The late randomvote issue. A null tell in my opinion. However, why didn't you vote immediatly if you thought RW was newb scum?
Already commented on this.
Interesting how I'm the only one who you suspect at the moment who you didn't suspect earlier.
What makes you suspicious of Roja now, apart from the player he replaced?
Obviously your suspicion of me come after this. Could you point at specific posts I made, or is it a general feeling?
Some players on this list were listed as definite town (goat, drak). What do you think of them now?
This post just sounds... neutral. Apart from saying "we shouldn't lynch spot based on RW" - and not in a very strong way, mind - you're not really saying anything here.
A load of nothing. Apart from a slight suggestion to us - "I'm not good", which is not far from a noob card.
Nothing to add on here. However I don't see the need for CAPS LOCKING in this post - the post quoted wasn't very aggressive.
Fair enough - it seems like only four or five of the players have been active at the wall o' text time.
Agreed.
Valid point. I was horribly emotional there.
However as goat mentions in the next post, how are the rest of my defenses scummy? You're saying very little here again.
According to this post you voted me for one small part of the response. The defeatism is irrelevant - you original vote was purely on the basis of one tell, which reeks of nitpicking.
Plainsight lurking.
How is night vigilante confirmable?
You seem too eager to get rid of me. You don't even consider the option that I'm telling the truth.
True...
This I found interesting since there wasn't that much to the posts around the time. More lurking in my opinion.
Yay.
You're not even reffering to any new info, you're just saying that you're fine as is.
Again, the "reasons you stated" are not very solid or numerous.
Night vigilante, EASY claim? Hah. Not to mention you say "get away" as if this is the only time to lynch me.
Oooooh, this is a gem. It is in fact blatantly NOT WIFOM, as I explained very shortly after this. But hey, you respond in one of your next two posts, right?
Nothing of substance here.
I referenced this when talking about your only post that was more than six sentences or so.
Conclusion: Plainsight lurking, saying as little as he can about anything, ignoring my response to him after mentioning he'll do a reread for an updated scumlist and continues ignoring it after posting the list means more to me than tells that could be easily referenced to stupid/noob town. Not to mention his vote still apparently stands on the basis of my one little response to toast, for lack of other info from him.
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Also please don't disappear and get replaced out /glare!
He is a neutral read in my book, but finding support for another lynch this "late" in the day won't be easy. His PBPA on WoD was pretty good - his conclusions actually mirror most of what I've been saying to myself when seeing his posts. Might as well get on with the game at this point.
He dropped from town to neutral, and your only comment is that you agree with his suspicions of WoD?
Vote spotofprey
By the way, the "won't find another case in time" reason to lynch A_W is "week" as hell. There is plenty of time.
Now to answer/ask some questions.
I am talking generally in the game of mafia.. I want to know what YOU Drak, think about a person that brings the lynch to 1 vote. It really isn't that hard of a question to answer.
Doesn't mean he is lurking. If done on a continual basis I would agree then.
Pointless to call yourself town? Meh I just found it interesting.
Ah yet you took "no stance" on Andel and WoD. You just worded all three very differently.
I disagree. I think He's scum.
So the length of one's post indicates if they are scum or town?
Could this "inkling" have anything to do that I keep mention that I think you are scum?
Whoot nows your time to shine!
Currently I feel Drak, Silo9 and Toast/Nom are the scum.
Are the points he trying to make forced or are they good points? Please explain to me a forced good point.
And a deadline. Any content you could provide would be helpful!
I don't like your method here on pushing the wagon to lynch. Neutral read meaning you feel he is a serial killer?
I don't really think too much of it, since other people can just unvote and eventually the vote has to be brought to one. I'd be more concerned about someone who hammered without discussion or something.
Difference of opinion
No, but heard more and the more that I've heard leads me to my suspicions but if there is no content to read then I can't gather any opinions.
No, I think just about everyone throughout the game called me scum at one point but that doesn't mean I think they're scum.
Seems like a pretty weak argument, but I guess I can kind of understand as this game has been dragging on without much happening for a while now.
You seem inordinately aggressive this game, any reason why?
@Spot:
If Alpha had a good PBPA, one mirroring your opinion, why did you vote for him or her?
@Everyone commenting on Spot's post:
By context, neutral clearly means he doesn't have a read on him one way or another. He's clearly not accusing him of SK, because then he wouldn't have to say "but finding support for another lynch this "late" in the day won't be easy."
@Ande:
Where are you? You're the most town person here, so it would be nice if you could come post some.
Now wait.. going with your reasoning on how you didn't unvote last time. (Due to you yourself being busy.) Someone always being here to unvote shouldn't be a defense. I already argued my point about how I feel about this with Toast, however it is good to see where you stand. Also don't you think Spots vote isn't something to question?
So you have no read on WoD because he hasen't talked much? And while FMJ has talked more, it only has caused him to look like scum in your eyes. Am I getting this correct?
Well we wouldn't want you to OMGUS someone, that wouldn't look good for you.
So weak argument or are you just ready for the day to end?
Please provide me an example of both with Alpha's latest statement.
I don't agree with those I have attacked. And am trying to find out who on this wagon is/are the scum forcing it. I find asking questions gets us answers I have just been asking a lot more here.
So your vote rational is "might as well get on with the game"? Okay, but if there was a player who was posting pretty good PBPA's that mirrored my opinions, I'd go out of my way not to lynch them.
So, which mindset do you think it was? Also, I'm all for calling Cheeseburger Consortium Cheese, and will do so from this point on.
Two things. One, only Roja mentioned a serial killer; two, don't answer for Spot.
Anyway, I've got some time to kill, so I'm going to reread.
I disagree. I have stated that it is easier to catch up (for the recent replacements) and make a case (for myself, at least) during the night, where I don't have to worry about the game progressing while I reread. This becomes doubly true because I now have a 9-5 job without MTGS access, and so it is easier to do things over the weekend.
If a wagon comes up on someone I suspect, I will vote them, but I do not have the time right now to create a case. Otherwise I support carrying through with an Alpha Werewolf lynch.
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It must be tough as scum to remember your previous stances on players when you're just making stuff up as you go.
Noose please.
First, the defeatism is irrelevant for that post since at the time you acted on the basis of one tell, and that seems scummy to me. Oh, the defeatism reinforced your opinion afterwards, but it didn't make you vote in the first place. At the time, it was your whole case.
Did you read my posts about what a load of WIFOM night vig is? Scum could skip their nightkill, roleblock me, whatever - and you'd never know if I'm scum or town.
There was a lot of new info - all the stuff we debated that was going on. You mean you didn't find anything scummy there? So now you're voting on the basis of two tells?
Night vig isn't easy to claim, as I said earlier.
Okay, let's take someone else. I don't recall the details exactly, but I'm fairly sure that under some massive pressure, ChrisXIV in #30, who was the doctor, told us to just lynch him.
I'm still fairly certain about WoD being scum. However if this spot lynch goes forward I'll gladly review the case.
@Toast: Why do you feel some are forced?
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