Sorry guys, been super super busy. I also thought the town had already won based on my ability.
I am a town scribe. The town has an alternative win condition - if I can send a scribe's list of the true names of everyone alive to Kraj, the town wins, regardless of scum left alive. To facilitate this, I also have a name investigation ability involving the replacements. I have two different actions I can do at night - ask a faerie to investigate someone for their true name, or ask a faerie to take all my targets from the night. This is why Azrael died night 2 (2? I think 2) - I gave him a favor point to become me for targeting.
I've done anywhere from 2-3 name investigations a night, but most of my investigations have died since then. I do have the role names of some still alive, and none of the claimed role names have conflicted with my information. Not every knows their true name yet, so I cannot be positive for them.
I sent in my first list of the game to Kraj after I got the last claim I was missing. Kraj replied that the list was incorrect, so one of the players who name claimed today is lying (maybe more than one).
As for not voting - those of you who have played with me before probably notice that I don't vote a lot. I definitely vote when I see a case that I like, but I don't throw my vote around like some do (*cough kpaca*) That's just my thing, I guess. My role also took me by surprise and I spent most of my game time obsessing over how to accomplish the goal without making myself a huge target. I also thought that with potentially 3 investigations a night I would be able to out a lot of liars if and when they claim. The true name/given name interaction put a hamper in this, but I held out hope that it could pay off later.
I am willing to reveal what true name information I have, as well as my night actions for every single night (which should be confirmable by the replacements - a little has already leaked out). My only hesitancy to reveal true names comes from my own mind - I've been contemplating it for 2 game days now and am so WIFOMed inside my head that another brain or two might help me make a better decision.
Again, sorry for the long delay in this. I will definitely be around every day for the rest of this game and should have some faster responses to what is happening. This is also likely to create a huge firestorm, so that should help the activity a bit.
I am inclined to believe kpaca's claim. I am not sure of alignment, but much of the structure of his role is similar to mine, so I doubt he made it up.
That last kpaca comment is pretty random - when I started writing I just furiously typed out everything I wanted to say and then reformatted it into sentences. I seem to have forgotten about that line
Sorry guys, been super super busy. I also thought the town had already won based on my ability.
I am a town scribe. The town has an alternative win condition - if I can send a scribe's list of the true names of everyone alive to Kraj, the town wins, regardless of scum left alive. To facilitate this, I also have a name investigation ability involving the replacements. I have two different actions I can do at night - ask a faerie to investigate someone for their true name, or ask a faerie to take all my targets from the night. This is why Azrael died night 2 (2? I think 2) - I gave him a favor point to become me for targeting.
I've done anywhere from 2-3 name investigations a night, but most of my investigations have died since then. I do have the role names of some still alive, and none of the claimed role names have conflicted with my information. Not every knows their true name yet, so I cannot be positive for them.
I sent in my first list of the game to Kraj after I got the last claim I was missing. Kraj replied that the list was incorrect, so one of the players who name claimed today is lying (maybe more than one).
As for not voting - those of you who have played with me before probably notice that I don't vote a lot. I definitely vote when I see a case that I like, but I don't throw my vote around like some do (*cough kpaca*) That's just my thing, I guess. My role also took me by surprise and I spent most of my game time obsessing over how to accomplish the goal without making myself a huge target. I also thought that with potentially 3 investigations a night I would be able to out a lot of liars if and when they claim. The true name/given name interaction put a hamper in this, but I held out hope that it could pay off later.
I am willing to reveal what true name information I have, as well as my night actions for every single night (which should be confirmable by the replacements - a little has already leaked out). My only hesitancy to reveal true names comes from my own mind - I've been contemplating it for 2 game days now and am so WIFOMed inside my head that another brain or two might help me make a better decision.
Again, sorry for the long delay in this. I will definitely be around every day for the rest of this game and should have some faster responses to what is happening. This is also likely to create a huge firestorm, so that should help the activity a bit.
I am inclined to believe kpaca's claim. I am not sure of alignment, but much of the structure of his role is similar to mine, so I doubt he made it up.
So you can not help us confirm anyone else besides kpaca? which I repeat is MY TOWN MASON PARTNER.
I'm amused that [Shalako], of all people, are talking about terrible reasoning. "Hey, PF's RVS daykill must be serious, therefore I should shoot him to prove that I have a daykill!"
Erm. Hi. I think that the town can probably process of elimination the last scum to KoD, being that:
a) there are multiple confirmations that spot has sent investigation favors (which scum would not need) into multiple replacements, and b) he investigated ande night 2 and has not outed him in the past 4 days, giving common sense to the fact that ande is town. c) kpaca and infinis are supposedly mod-confirmed town to eachother, and, since it was revealed to ande that infinis was town, logic then says that by the transitive property, kpaca is town. d) Greymon has been confirmed as performing his night actions. and, now for the kicker. e) Last night spot asked me to investigate Ged. spot has posted since the beginning of the day, and has revealed himself as sending out the investigations. This lends to the assumption that ged is town.
who does this leave? KeyofDestiny.
sorry I didn't come out with this earlier, I just connected it all being that I have been spending the past while plowing through walls of text in another game.
Ok. Building off the info we have so far, and now that we know that Spot's investigations of role names do NOT clear Ged, this is what we're looking at. Cleared
andelijah die-roller - added as mason
spotofprey - targeted by a (mafia?) kill
kpaca - mason (confirmed by infinis and ande)
Infinis - mason (confirmed by kpaca and ande)
Strongly Probable Town
greymon90210 - bodyguard/watcher, behavioral town
Uncleared
Ged - death cheater
KeyofDestiny - cult
Based off the POE, Ged or KoD should be our targets for today. Based on how KoD claimed to use his abilities, fake=vote KoD.
So you can not help us confirm anyone else besides kpaca? which I repeat is MY TOWN MASON PARTNER.
All I know is that some people didn't lie. Some other people could have, but I don't have mod-knowledge of their role names, so I can't know who. But someone did lie.
Right! Almost forgot to take that into account. Spot is confirmed town, due to being targeted by the (mafia, right?) kill.
Weren't you killed by Cyan (even if by redirection)?
As for spotofprey's claim - I'm reading neutral, at best. The role reads as a way to counter a mass true name claim if it were to be proposed early. I don't see Kraj rewarding that type of behavior by letting the town win day 1 or 2 under the right, albeit rare, circumstances. The lack of votes (as pointed out by Infinis) and a self protection ability would support this theory.
Depending on whether he counts as a threat or not means he may or may not need to be lynched.
As for spotofprey's claim - I'm reading neutral, at best. The role reads as a way to counter a mass true name claim if it were to be proposed early. I don't see Kraj rewarding that type of behavior by letting the town win day 1 or 2 under the right, albeit rare, circumstances. The lack of votes (as pointed out by Infinis) and a self protection ability would support this theory.
Since I've been thinking about the given name/true name phenomena the entire game, I have insight on this.
I think its very balanced. Mass claims don't work because not everyone has their true name. There are also roles that punish true names being in the open, plus a hitlist SK, plus the normal Mafia paranoia of not wanting to claim their true name even if they knew it.
If it was easy, we would have already won. Even only relying on 2 or 3 claims to send in my list, it was still wrong. Imagine trying to wrangle 22 different mafia players to go along with a Cunning Plan.
All I know is that some people didn't lie. Some other people could have, but I don't have mod-knowledge of their role names, so I can't know who. But someone did lie.
Didnt you say you have several nights of information?
I'm amused that [Shalako], of all people, are talking about terrible reasoning. "Hey, PF's RVS daykill must be serious, therefore I should shoot him to prove that I have a daykill!"
I don't have a true name. I don't know if that changes your list or not.
Do you not have a true name, or not know your true name? I'm beggining to sway more toward you being scum. Personally I'd rather see greymon die today, but you'd be second. I withdraw my belief that Spot may be scum, and I'm not sold that Ged is the right play here. Basically I'm saying that I'd prefer greymon die, but certainly vote for you pending a little bit of further investigation.
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All I know is that some people didn't lie. Some other people could have, but I don't have mod-knowledge of their role names, so I can't know who. But someone did lie.
How do you know someone lied? A lot of us haven't claimed our true names, so unless you've investigated everyone who hasn't claimed their true name there's no way to have a complete list.
Weren't you killed by Cyan (even if by redirection)?
I'm pretty sure he was wrong about that. IIRC, the flavor I got was that I died bodyguarding Spot- not to a redirected kill. Remind to double-check that sometime.
I'm pretty sure he was wrong about that. IIRC, the flavor I got was that I died bodyguarding Spot- not to a redirected kill. Remind to double-check that sometime.
My ability says that ALL actions are switched to the faerie, including kills. I don't know the term for that, but redirect does imply a third party. My bad.
How do you know someone lied? A lot of us haven't claimed our true names, so unless you've investigated everyone who hasn't claimed their true name there's no way to have a complete list.
With my investigations and the claimed names so far, I sent in my list. Kraj informed me it was wrong. My investigations weren't wrong (and if they are, then shame on Kraj ) so a claim or claims have to be wrong.
3. Some players may have a true role name that is different from the one received in their role PM. If you believe this is the case, you may PM me any time with a guess. Please do not spam me with guesses or I will get annoyed, ignore you, and then you will be S.O.L.; be reasonably certain before you guess. Guesses will be confirmed via PM; a correct guess must still follow the above rules in order to be "revealed". Players may not guess other players' role names unless their role PM specifically says they can.
This is my interpretation of the above -
Every player is sent a role name in their PM. For some players, this name is your true rule name. For some players, this name is NOT your true role name. Because of the nature of the rules about guessing your true name, you true name is not included in your PM if you received a "false" role name.
This is how I've been operating all game...I assume everyone else thinks the same?
I think its very balanced. Mass claims don't work because not everyone has their true name. There are also roles that punish true names being in the open, plus a hitlist SK, plus the normal Mafia paranoia of not wanting to claim their true name even if they knew it.
I didn't say it was likely, but just the possibility of the game ending so early means your role is unlikely to be exactly as stated.
Yeah that's how it was with me too. My role PM said that I was Ofelia and I should remember something, but I couldn't. So then I watched the movie and was able to easily determine that my TRUE NAME was really Princess Moanna, even though my role PM made no mention at all that the name given (Ofelia) was NOT my true name.
I had a huge wave of "I'm sick of being labeled as scum and just want something to happen" this morning when I voted myself. Let's just hope KoD is "obvscum"
No I'm definitely town and DEFINITELY tired...I voted myself and nobody would vote me to end this stupid day, and my death does nothing to help the town if they don't go back and look at the evidence tomorrow so maybe KoD's will and I'll get lucky and bodyguard the mafia's kill tonight.
I'm amused that [Shalako], of all people, are talking about terrible reasoning. "Hey, PF's RVS daykill must be serious, therefore I should shoot him to prove that I have a daykill!"
I'm amused that [Shalako], of all people, are talking about terrible reasoning. "Hey, PF's RVS daykill must be serious, therefore I should shoot him to prove that I have a daykill!"
I'm here. Nothing has changed my opinion recently, although it seems we're at a bit of a deadlock in that regard. If I have time I'll reread KoD, though it is finals week for me.
I'm amused that [Shalako], of all people, are talking about terrible reasoning. "Hey, PF's RVS daykill must be serious, therefore I should shoot him to prove that I have a daykill!"
I am a town scribe. The town has an alternative win condition - if I can send a scribe's list of the true names of everyone alive to Kraj, the town wins, regardless of scum left alive. To facilitate this, I also have a name investigation ability involving the replacements. I have two different actions I can do at night - ask a faerie to investigate someone for their true name, or ask a faerie to take all my targets from the night. This is why Azrael died night 2 (2? I think 2) - I gave him a favor point to become me for targeting.
I've done anywhere from 2-3 name investigations a night, but most of my investigations have died since then. I do have the role names of some still alive, and none of the claimed role names have conflicted with my information. Not every knows their true name yet, so I cannot be positive for them.
I sent in my first list of the game to Kraj after I got the last claim I was missing. Kraj replied that the list was incorrect, so one of the players who name claimed today is lying (maybe more than one).
As for not voting - those of you who have played with me before probably notice that I don't vote a lot. I definitely vote when I see a case that I like, but I don't throw my vote around like some do (*cough kpaca*) That's just my thing, I guess. My role also took me by surprise and I spent most of my game time obsessing over how to accomplish the goal without making myself a huge target. I also thought that with potentially 3 investigations a night I would be able to out a lot of liars if and when they claim. The true name/given name interaction put a hamper in this, but I held out hope that it could pay off later.
I am willing to reveal what true name information I have, as well as my night actions for every single night (which should be confirmable by the replacements - a little has already leaked out). My only hesitancy to reveal true names comes from my own mind - I've been contemplating it for 2 game days now and am so WIFOMed inside my head that another brain or two might help me make a better decision.
Again, sorry for the long delay in this. I will definitely be around every day for the rest of this game and should have some faster responses to what is happening. This is also likely to create a huge firestorm, so that should help the activity a bit.
I am inclined to believe kpaca's claim. I am not sure of alignment, but much of the structure of his role is similar to mine, so I doubt he made it up.
So you can not help us confirm anyone else besides kpaca? which I repeat is MY TOWN MASON PARTNER.
12-11? I'm losing track
Ok. Building off the info we have so far, and now that we know that Spot's investigations of role names do NOT clear Ged, this is what we're looking at.
Cleared
andelijah die-roller - added as mason
spotofprey - targeted by a (mafia?) kill
kpaca - mason (confirmed by infinis and ande)
Infinis - mason (confirmed by kpaca and ande)
Strongly Probable Town
greymon90210 - bodyguard/watcher, behavioral town
Uncleared
Ged - death cheater
KeyofDestiny - cult
Based off the POE, Ged or KoD should be our targets for today. Based on how KoD claimed to use his abilities, fake=vote KoD.
All I know is that some people didn't lie. Some other people could have, but I don't have mod-knowledge of their role names, so I can't know who. But someone did lie.
Can someone make a good argument why you WOULDN"T use the ability that way? Cause all i'm hearing is that the way i used it sounds ineffective.
Mafia Stats:
2/3 Loss(#28 Town Disgaea,)
1/3 Wins(#29 Chess replacement, #1 Town GCF)
As for spotofprey's claim - I'm reading neutral, at best. The role reads as a way to counter a mass true name claim if it were to be proposed early. I don't see Kraj rewarding that type of behavior by letting the town win day 1 or 2 under the right, albeit rare, circumstances. The lack of votes (as pointed out by Infinis) and a self protection ability would support this theory.
Depending on whether he counts as a threat or not means he may or may not need to be lynched.
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Since I've been thinking about the given name/true name phenomena the entire game, I have insight on this.
I think its very balanced. Mass claims don't work because not everyone has their true name. There are also roles that punish true names being in the open, plus a hitlist SK, plus the normal Mafia paranoia of not wanting to claim their true name even if they knew it.
If it was easy, we would have already won. Even only relying on 2 or 3 claims to send in my list, it was still wrong. Imagine trying to wrangle 22 different mafia players to go along with a Cunning Plan.
Mafia Stats:
2/3 Loss(#28 Town Disgaea,)
1/3 Wins(#29 Chess replacement, #1 Town GCF)
I call ********. The only players likely to not have true names would be the replacements. Vote that I don't have KeyOfDestiny
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Didnt you say you have several nights of information?
And time to test the waters
Unvote Vote KoD
12-11? I'm losing track
Do you not have a true name, or not know your true name? I'm beggining to sway more toward you being scum. Personally I'd rather see greymon die today, but you'd be second. I withdraw my belief that Spot may be scum, and I'm not sold that Ged is the right play here. Basically I'm saying that I'd prefer greymon die, but certainly vote for you pending a little bit of further investigation.
How do you know someone lied? A lot of us haven't claimed our true names, so unless you've investigated everyone who hasn't claimed their true name there's no way to have a complete list.
I'm pretty sure he was wrong about that. IIRC, the flavor I got was that I died bodyguarding Spot- not to a redirected kill. Remind to double-check that sometime.
Cyan was a minotaur; doesn't seem like his MO.
Also, for the record, I wouldn't recommend trying the true name "alternate win" unless there's no other choice. AWCs can be exclusive, sometimes.
You may not know your true name, but you do have a true name.
I do. But almost 2/3 of the players are dead. I have investigations on many of them, but they are pretty much worthless now.
My ability says that ALL actions are switched to the faerie, including kills. I don't know the term for that, but redirect does imply a third party. My bad.
With my investigations and the claimed names so far, I sent in my list. Kraj informed me it was wrong. My investigations weren't wrong (and if they are, then shame on Kraj ) so a claim or claims have to be wrong.
aren't you supposed tobe told you have a true name in your role pm?
Mafia Stats:
2/3 Loss(#28 Town Disgaea,)
1/3 Wins(#29 Chess replacement, #1 Town GCF)
This is my interpretation of the above -
Every player is sent a role name in their PM. For some players, this name is your true rule name. For some players, this name is NOT your true role name. Because of the nature of the rules about guessing your true name, you true name is not included in your PM if you received a "false" role name.
This is how I've been operating all game...I assume everyone else thinks the same?
I know the same.
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Hope that helps.
Can the true name be the voice actors name?
Mafia Stats:
2/3 Loss(#28 Town Disgaea,)
1/3 Wins(#29 Chess replacement, #1 Town GCF)
greymon90210 - 2 (Ged, kpaca)
KeyofDestiny - 1 (Infinis)
Not Voting - 4 (andelijah, greymon90210, KeyofDestiny, spotpfprey)
With 7 alive it is 4 to lynch.
Deadline has been set for midnight CST on Wednesday, June 10.
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Vote: greymon
Town, WHEN I come up town, go back through my posts, make the connections, and we might still have a shot.
greymon is not obvscum. KoD is the scum.
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Why are you not lynching KoD?
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Vote: KoD
better?
I had a huge wave of "I'm sick of being labeled as scum and just want something to happen" this morning when I voted myself. Let's just hope KoD is "obvscum"
"Oh well, I'm scum and tired...................wait, an opening!"
yeah I have to agree here.
vote greymon
Mafia Stats:
2/3 Loss(#28 Town Disgaea,)
1/3 Wins(#29 Chess replacement, #1 Town GCF)
12-11? I'm losing track
huh?
Mafia Stats:
2/3 Loss(#28 Town Disgaea,)
1/3 Wins(#29 Chess replacement, #1 Town GCF)
12-11? I'm losing track
Mafia Stats:
2/3 Loss(#28 Town Disgaea,)
1/3 Wins(#29 Chess replacement, #1 Town GCF)
The point I made was a weak one, and I put it there hoping you'd jump on the wagon. Win.
unvote: Vote KeyofDestiny
When I flip town, everyone should reread the entire "town mason" team. They were divided on who is scum this entire cycle until now.
Mafia Stats:
2/3 Loss(#28 Town Disgaea,)
1/3 Wins(#29 Chess replacement, #1 Town GCF)
It would be awesome if you were both scum. TBH you guys are basically like the same person right now.
kpaca: vote
grey/kod: omgus, mod confirmed masons are totally scum!
Do you seriously think me, Infinis, and andelijah are all scum? Because if you think that you must be drunk.
Someone on your team is scum.
ModProd Ged
so i can hurry up and die.
Mafia Stats:
2/3 Loss(#28 Town Disgaea,)
1/3 Wins(#29 Chess replacement, #1 Town GCF)
I'm here. Nothing has changed my opinion recently, although it seems we're at a bit of a deadlock in that regard. If I have time I'll reread KoD, though it is finals week for me.
Again kpaca is not scum ande could be scum. Ged not flipping his vote to KoD for the hammer is the boldest play yet.
Where is spot and ande?
12-11? I'm losing track
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I still think greymon is scum and his quick reversal to KeyofDestiny to save himself does not make me think the latter is a good target right now.
Vote: greymon
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