So will Cyan, bateleur, Wrath_of_DoG and Zionite in my opinion.
Anyone else feel it was kinda a wierd setup between bateleur to comment about this lifestream and Sutherlands just so happens to have it? Just fishy on my end.
a. "Woe is me, all people voting me are teh scumz" is just typical newbie stuff.
b. He was actually right about you making up the lifestream thingie as a result of bateleur mentioning it.
iLord's gleeful attempt to set up Sutherlands for tomorrow's lynch looks completely scummy on the other hand.
I still can't for the life of me think of any specific enemy or character from FF7 that was in SOLDIER. All I remember is that Sephiroth had clearly abandoned working for shin-ra after the nebilheim incident and learning of his creation and Cloud was never really a SOLDIER. Also, and very clearly the underlying theme of Crisis Core, was that the SOLDIER project was dying as everyone was deserting. By the time FF7 takes place, there are no main characters in SOLDIER and very very few enemies from the group if any at all remained for the Avalanche party to combat with.
The claim of a first class soldier is generic and very simple. Its too easy to false claim. The only thing that makes me hesitate is that its become obvious that some of us are characters and some are not. I still think this is too conveinent of a claim.
Naw, you were right the first time. Sometimes you have to push something twice to get people to believe/respond to it. The question now is whether his reaction was townie or scum. Personally, I'm still thinking scum.
Hmm...
He didn't straight out lie, which is good.
This is scummy:
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Anyone else feel it was kinda a wierd setup between bateleur to comment about this lifestream and Sutherlands just so happens to have it? Just fishy on my end.
I don't think Roja knows enough about FFVII to bluff what would happen.
He seemed pretty sure that nothing is happening.
All in all, I'm not really reading his reactions as scum.
iLord, why is Roja's comment scummy? He made an observation which happened to be completely correct. How is being correct scummy? And why are you unvoting him based on said scummy comment? Please explain your thought process here.
iLord's gleeful attempt to set up Sutherlands for tomorrow's lynch looks completely scummy on the other hand.
Suth says he has evidence that Roja's lying.
We lynch Roja, Roja didn't lie.
Of course Suth is going to be in a bad position!
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I still can't for the life of me think of any specific enemy or character from FF7 that was in SOLDIER. All I remember is that Sephiroth had clearly abandoned working for shin-ra after the nebilheim incident and learning of his creation and Cloud was never really a SOLDIER. Also, and very clearly the underlying theme of Crisis Core, was that the SOLDIER project was dying as everyone was deserting. By the time FF7 takes place, there are no main characters in SOLDIER and very very few enemies from the group if any at all remained for the Avalanche party to combat with.
So by the time AVALANCHE existed, there were no more SOLDIERS?
Alx: It could go either way. I didn't really see any emotion in it, he just stated it matter of factly. Basically, between that and the quote you posted, it just seems that if he were townie, he would have said more.
On the other hand, those comments by iLord did look kind of scummy.
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iLord, why is Roja's comment scummy? He made an observation which happened to be completely correct. How is being correct scummy? And why are you unvoting him based on said scummy comment? Please explain your thought process here.
He was trying to put suspicion on Sutherland's ability just because Bate happened to mention it. Looked like trying to save himself by saying Suth's ability's fake.
He was correct, but that doesn't make it any less scummy.
That was the only scummy part. I feel he responded to Suth's gambit well - he was sure that nothing was happening to him.
So by the time AVALANCHE existed, there were no more SOLDIERS?
Oh good grief, I didn't realise anyone was actually taking Zionite seriously.
No, he's completely wrong. There were plenty. You fight lots of them on the upper floors of the Shinra building when you break in there. And there are some fairly hard ones during the fight near the Mako Cannon.
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@Wuffles: I am not going to get into a point by point argument with you about this. You are simply wrong in your stance here. This should be plainly evident to you by the fact that no one is agreeing with you, even other people that have expressed suspicion of ilord already. You are so convinced(or are pretending to be) that ilord is scum that you're taking actions by him that are simply not scummy and twisting them in a scummy light. I know how this goes, I am often guilty of this myself. But I am telling you, there is nothing wrong with the way that ilord responded to Roja.
Way to completely backpedal but still try to make ilord look scummy.
That's incredibly cunning, Cyan.
You say you don't want to get into a point by point argument with me, yet you still find the time to quote one part of my argument in order to get a last dig in.
Hmm, perhaps "immature", rather than "cunning" is more like it. You try and take the highground, asserting the fact that you don't want to discuss this further, but you end up shooting your post in the foot when you try and get the last word in by quoting one segment of my post.
This is so completely like you - as soon as someone calls you on your "Cyan is God" complex, you start yelling "NO, I AM BAD AT POINT BY POINT ARGUMENTS LALALA CAN'T HEAR U" - yet until the person in question takes the time to refute your baseless rhetoric, you seem happy to do so :rolleyes:.
Though in all honesty, despite iLord's blatantly scummy fishing this game, he still comes off as extremely, EXTREMELY misguided townie (according to a little voice in the back of my head). I have no way in which to really back this up right now; but I'll have another look over his posts. At least you might be right when you say that if no one else agrees, then I'm probably doing it wrong.
Perhaps I am getting too caught up in the block standard "scumtells" that iLord has demonstrated. It's 5:15 AM, I'm going to sleep.
Today, if I get time from work, I will look over iLord's posts again, from a different perspective.
The post of ilord's that Alx mentioned is thoroughly scummy, and smacks of someone talking from a position where they know that the person being lynched is going to come up as town. Ilord's response to this is also fairly scummy.
Sutherlands set a trap, but, Roja acted truthfully throughout. Instead, ilord fell for it.
Oh good grief, I didn't realise anyone was actually taking Zionite seriously.
No, he's completely wrong. There were plenty. You fight lots of them on the upper floors of the Shinra building when you break in there. And there are some fairly hard ones during the fight near the Mako Cannon.
Okay, that's what I thought.
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Though in all honesty, despite iLord's blatantly scummy fishing this game, he still comes off as extremely, EXTREMELY misguided townie (according to a little voice in the back of my head). I have no way in which to really back this up right now; but I'll have another look over his posts. At least you might be right when you say that if no one else agrees, then I'm probably doing it wrong.
Perhaps I am getting too caught up in the block standard "scumtells" that iLord has demonstrated. It's 5:15 AM, I'm going to sleep.
Today, if I get time from work, I will look over iLord's posts again, from a different perspective.
Wuffles, explain how what I did was bad for the town, even if Roja had claimed Doc, barring any confirmed gambits, which I had already conceded in themselves should not warrant "Blatantly scummy."
The post of ilord's that Alx mentioned is thoroughly scummy, and smacks of someone talking from a position where they know that the person being lynched is going to come up as town. Ilord's response to this is also fairly scummy.
Sutherlands set a trap, but, Roja acted truthfully throughout. Instead, ilord fell for it.
a. "Woe is me, all people voting me are teh scumz" is just typical newbie stuff.
b. He was actually right about you making up the lifestream thingie as a result of bateleur mentioning it.
iLord's gleeful attempt to set up Sutherlands for tomorrow's lynch looks completely scummy on the other hand.
a. Maybe just saying "oh noez you all suck", but the mentioning of people by name gives me pause there. It feels too specific to be a general rant.
b. Hmm. True. I thought Suth wasn't bluffing. Worth consideration.
Ok, compare iLord's reaction as town to his reaction in this game. In Warhammer 40,000 Mafia (iLord is town), a player claims condemning info on another player. iLord's responce to that: (post 1395 of that game)
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So, mind telling us what you did? You haven't been exactly been the towniest player, even if Jerub's reactions helped you a bit in my eyes.
I'm not going to just go along and lynch Cyan if that's what you want. I pulled a similar gambit in Newb 17, where I was town (I was right), that ended up getting me lynched, so unless you want to end a similar fate, spill.
The relevant parts bolded by me.
iLord was not going to just go along and lynch that player with no additional info. He had healthy scepticism, and wanted to know just what it is the claiming player had before following him like a sheep.
In this game, he's completely trustful of Sutherlands, ready to follow him ... and lynch him tomorrow. Gotcha.
iLord was not going to just go along and lynch that player with no additional info. He had healthy scepticism, and wanted to know just what it is the claiming player had before following him like a sheep.
In this game, he's completely trustful of Sutherlands, ready to follow him ... and lynch him tomorrow. Gotcha.
Ok, compare iLord's reaction as town to his reaction in this game.
Hmm... one of these things is not like the other. Nice bit of research there.
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But it is based on an obviously false premise. Did you really think that Sutherland's lifestream was as simple as 'Cop investigation'? And would he really have 'not remembered to use it' if that were the case? It is much more likely that you realized these things and tried to gloss over them and setup a blatant false dichotomy than that you just failed to realize them to begin with.
@Wuffles
You defending Roja. How... interesting. Your tone in the last few posts also seems to shift between righteously outraged and coolly collected. I'm not quite comfortable with that. But that aside..
@Roja
Your claim came too soon, and was timed suspiciously. This could be frustrated and alarmed town. It could also be panicking scum. Your claim itself is also unnamed and has one of the most unverifiable abilities that a town power role can have. It's a plausible claim, but not much more than that. It's also too plausible a claim, at that, but that's going into WIFOM territory. All in all, not enough to lift my suspicion of you.
Especially in light of your post in response to iLord. Why that particular list of four names, which includes the semi-confirmed player? Why not me, for that matter -- one of the first people to express any suspicion of you at all? My vote stays on you for now. And in response to...
@Alx2 and Ged
Yes, I can see the above reactions by Roja as newbie town. But as I note above, they can just as easily be made by newbie scum. I will concede, though, that it seems consistent with his behaviour in concurrent games -- but I'm not quite ready to trust meta on a new player. But speaking of meta..
@iLord
First you fish harder than a crab trawler, then you try to create a false dichotomy between Sutherlands and Roja -- which logically should not happen, because even if Sutherlands had been telling the truth, an ability that works publically, in daytime, by typing 'use lifestream on x' is not liable to work in any conventional way. It doesn't even work in terms of conventional roles; if Sutherlands had claimed cop and a guilty on Roja, and Roja turned out innocent, you'd suspect sanity first before scumminess. Your logic doesn't fly. It hardly even walks.
The above is as easily made by bad townie as it is by scum. But taken together with your sudden hop off Roja's wagon with a vague excuse? FOS iLord with intent to vote.
Also:
@Zionite
...your speculations are pretty bad overall, and are beginning to look vaguely like dissembling and distraction, honestly. Given that Roja's already claimed having no name, speculating on 'significant characters' in SOLDIER means nothing.
Besides, if you want to throw in Crisis Core, you'd have to throw in Dirge of Cerberus, Advent Children, whatever the heck the anime OVA was, and any number of unknown spinoffs in as well.
@CunningFox
Where are you?
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Which is exactly why my vote hasn't moved. CF's silence the second attention shifted off him is more damning in my eyes than a lot of other stuff in the last few pages.
So by the time AVALANCHE existed, there were no more SOLDIERS?
No important ones. As for being completely instinct I'd have to do the research, but I know all the good ones died or deserted by the time avalanche came to be. The only ones that remained were weak dude.
If you want to get REALLY technical, avalanche started during crisis core. It's mentioned a few times by the citizens in Zach's off time in midgar. But I doubt that Final Fantasy 7 mafia includes all of the canon that is attached, along with the obscure japanese cellphone game involving the turks and the anime that follows the crisis core story line. Thats just too much to be included to be any kind of fun.
What we need to keep in mind here is straight up setting from when cloud jumps off that train until the final battle between sephy and cloud. Just the one story.
Oh good grief, I didn't realise anyone was actually taking Zionite seriously.
No, he's completely wrong. There were plenty. You fight lots of them on the upper floors of the Shinra building when you break in there. And there are some fairly hard ones during the fight near the Mako Cannon.
Yeah bat is right. You do fight masked members of SOLDIER. What I was saying was all the characters from SOLDIER were gone by the time the main game takes place. All that remains were grunts.
@Zionite
...your speculations are pretty bad overall, and are beginning to look vaguely like dissembling and distraction, honestly. Given that Roja's already claimed having no name, speculating on 'significant characters' in SOLDIER means nothing.
Besides, if you want to throw in Crisis Core, you'd have to throw in Dirge of Cerberus, Advent Children, whatever the heck the anime OVA was, and any number of unknown spinoffs in as well.
You're clearly not reading my posts, only skimming. I'm NOT including any other FF7 spinoffs. Thats the whole point.
And we just had someone claim 1st class soldier. The setup speculation has EVERYTHING to do with that. I find that its a very obvious, generic, false claim for someone who probably has something else to hide behind 'bodyguard'.
I joined this game because I have an extensive knowledge of the story. Now I want to use that to help the town distinguish fact from fiction in regards to that. You trying to discredit me is not helping.
a. "Woe is me, all people voting me are teh scumz" is just typical newbie stuff.
b. He was actually right about you making up the lifestream thingie as a result of bateleur mentioning it.
iLord's gleeful attempt to set up Sutherlands for tomorrow's lynch looks completely scummy on the other hand.
Concur on all points. Mind you, the only problem I have with Sutherlands' trap is there was not really an option there for Roja to take other than say "nothing happened". Sutherlands didn't claim a cop investigation exactly, or anything that could be met with "maybe I'm a miller" or "maybe you're paranoid" or anything like that. What could Roja try and bluff? "I got a PM to say I got wet in the lifestream, is that it?" He pretty much could only say nothing happened, and hope. I don't think the "trap" actually proved diddly squat abut Roja.
I don't like how CunningFox has disappeared for this latest mess of posts.
Nor do I, and I'm keeping my vote on him thanks very much. CF submerged as soon as Roja's original scummy post moved the focus away. There's a bit of a tendency so far in this game to vote for the person to make the most recent scummy post, but I'm more sure of CF than I am of iLord or even Roja (although the latter is questions of degrees, Roja is more likely scum than not too).
To clarify my original argument re: iLord - Cunning Plans faking investigations and investigations differ in the intent of the post. Much like how people like CropCircles fake daykills to try to glean information from the inexperienced (or as jokes); there isn't any inherent scumminess if the subject in question comes up town, imho. Although cunning plans as a whole are rather borderline.
Hmm... one of these things is not like the other. Nice bit of research there.
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See post above this one.
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@ilord:
No one said it isn't logical.
But it is based on an obviously false premise. Did you really think that Sutherland's lifestream was as simple as 'Cop investigation'? And would he really have 'not remembered to use it' if that were the case? It is much more likely that you realized these things and tried to gloss over them and setup a blatant false dichotomy than that you just failed to realize them to begin with.
I felt that it was close enough to a cop investigation if Suth could be sure that Roja was lying.
When did he "not remembered to use it?"
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First you fish harder than a crab trawler, then you try to create a false dichotomy between Sutherlands and Roja -- which logically should not happen, because even if Sutherlands had been telling the truth, an ability that works publically, in daytime, by typing 'use lifestream on x' is not liable to work in any conventional way. It doesn't even work in terms of conventional roles; if Sutherlands had claimed cop and a guilty on Roja, and Roja turned out innocent, you'd suspect sanity first before scumminess. Your logic doesn't fly. It hardly even walks.
The above is as easily made by bad townie as it is by scum. But taken together with your sudden hop off Roja's wagon with a vague excuse? FOS iLord with intent to vote.
Des, this is a specialty. Almost anything can happen. If Suth said that he had a day ability to "use lifestream on X" and it told him that Roja was lying, and that he was sure, I'm saying that's as good as a cop investigation.
What's the vague excuse?
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You said it... I think I have whiplash from what just happened.
Unvote, Vote iLord
Please explain.
I don't think my bandwagon is as cut and dry as some of the others and I'd like you to point out which of my posts you find extremely scummy.
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unvote, Vote iLord.
You walked right into that one.
Umm...
What did I walk right into.
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No important ones. As for being completely instinct I'd have to do the research, but I know all the good ones died or deserted by the time avalanche came to be. The only ones that remained were weak dude.
If you want to get REALLY technical, avalanche started during crisis core. It's mentioned a few times by the citizens in Zach's off time in midgar. But I doubt that Final Fantasy 7 mafia includes all of the canon that is attached, along with the obscure japanese cellphone game involving the turks and the anime that follows the crisis core story line. Thats just too much to be included to be any kind of fun.
What we need to keep in mind here is straight up setting from when cloud jumps off that train until the final battle between sephy and cloud. Just the one story.
What makes you think it's just the main story?
I'm thinking anything with AVALANCHE and Shinra is fair game.
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Yeah bat is right. You do fight masked members of SOLDIER. What I was saying was all the characters from SOLDIER were gone by the time the main game takes place. All that remains were grunts.
Thanks for being rude about it too bat.
So Bate, any First-Class soldiers left when AVALANCHE came into existence?
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You're clearly not reading my posts, only skimming. I'm NOT including any other FF7 spinoffs. Thats the whole point.
And we just had someone claim 1st class soldier. The setup speculation has EVERYTHING to do with that. I find that its a very obvious, generic, false claim for someone who probably has something else to hide behind 'bodyguard'.
I joined this game because I have an extensive knowledge of the story. Now I want to use that to help the town distinguish fact from fiction in regards to that. You trying to discredit me is not helping.
I don't think that we should ignore the spin-offs and sequels just because there would be too much.
I think we can only ellminate the ones without AVALANCHE.
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Ah. I misread some posts. My mistake.
To clarify my original argument re: iLord - Cunning Plans faking investigations and investigations differ in the intent of the post. Much like how people like CropCircles fake daykills to try to glean information from the inexperienced (or as jokes); there isn't any inherent scumminess if the subject in question comes up town, imho. Although cunning plans as a whole are rather borderline.
Xyre, I didn't know that Suth was bluffing.
To me, Suth's claim was like a cop investigation that Roja was lying.
That's why I stated that Suth would be in trouble tommorrow if Roja turned up town.
I don't think that we should ignore the spin-offs and sequels just because there would be too much.
I think we can only ellminate the ones without AVALANCHE.
Which would be...all of them except the main one.
AVALANCHE was a group formed with a purpose. Once that purpose was served they were really just friends who hung out after work.
Also, I want to hear how iLord is trapped beyond the normal scummy iLord(i'm not seeing any difference between here and town iLord where he still acts fairly scummy).
Which would be...all of them except the main one.
AVALANCHE was a group formed with a purpose. Once that purpose was served they were really just friends who hung out after work.
Also, I want to hear how iLord is trapped beyond the normal scummy iLord(i'm not seeing any difference between here and town iLord where he still acts fairly scummy).
He made a statement which gleefully anticipated the demise of Sutherlands after his info gets (Townie) Roja lynched, which implies foreknowledge of Roja's alignment and therefore makes him seem like a mafioso.
Do we know he actually did pass over sutherlands post? I didn't see anyone really freaking out about it and restating(to be honest I missed it too until just recently). It seems difficult to assume that he didn't do as he said and missed it.
I think a lot of people are misreading that one post by iLord. He has been saying some scummy stuff, but I don't see this supposed false dilemma as being anything near damning evidence.
I'm too busy right now, but I should have some more analysis over the weekend.
Zionite, iLord> Regarding all the SOLDIER stuff: I think this is getting to the point where any further conclusions we drew would be leaning too heavily on setup speculation. It is definitely possible that Roja has "SOLDIER, first class" in his PM somewhere, which is the most important thing.
Regarding the iLord case... Does nobody else find Alx2's observation significant?
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Does nobody else find Alx2's observation significant?
I assume you're referring to Alx's bit of research there... where he points out that town iLord (from Warhammer 40K mafia) doesn't accept the Cunning Plan (TM):
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iLord was not going to just go along and lynch that player with no additional info. He had healthy scepticism, and wanted to know just what it is the claiming player had before following him like a sheep.
as opposed to this game, where he swallowed the Cunning Plan (TM) hook line and sinker?
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In this game, he's completely trustful of Sutherlands, ready to follow him ... and lynch him tomorrow. Gotcha.
(You would think that after having that Admiral Ackbar avvy for so long, iLord would have seen this coming. At least, I think iLord had that avvy. )
I count iLord at 8 votes (Wuffles, Draygn_Mage, Alx2, Cyan, Xyre, Bateleur, WoD, and myself) with an FOS/intention to vote from desCoures.
@Wuffles: Please answer this question, if only to humor me in your eyes.
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Wuffles, explain how what I did was bad for the town, even if Roja had claimed Doc, barring any confirmed gambits, which I had already conceded in themselves should not warrant "Blatantly scummy."
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@ Cyan: that was a quick shift? From "iLord's last post screams town" to "vote iLord"?
He's already explained why he feels that way.
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The cunning plan was set for Roja, yes, but you walked into it, and walked out of it very scummy indeed. I believe Cyan mentioned it before actually.
So you think I set Sutherlands up?
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He made a statement which gleefully anticipated the demise of Sutherlands after his info gets (Townie) Roja lynched, which implies foreknowledge of Roja's alignment and therefore makes him seem like a mafioso.
Okay good, so you do.
@Everyone else who thinks this is a point against me.
Look at the post in question:
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Sutherlands seems to think that it's as solid as a cop investigation, and I'm going to treat it as such.
Not much to gain from lying here as scum. If Roja =/= scum, Suth's in trouble.
More than we have on CunningFox.
Unvote, Vote Roja.
Suth claimed that he was sure Roja was lying.
Roja claimed that he wasn't.
We lynch Roja - he turns up town.
Why won't Suth be in trouble?
I'm not understanding how this is a scumtell.
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Do we know he actually did pass over sutherlands post? I didn't see anyone really freaking out about it and restating(to be honest I missed it too until just recently). It seems difficult to assume that he didn't do as he said and missed it.
???
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Zionite, iLord> Regarding all the SOLDIER stuff: I think this is getting to the point where any further conclusions we drew would be leaning too heavily on setup speculation. It is definitely possible that Roja has "SOLDIER, first class" in his PM somewhere, which is the most important thing.
Okay.
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I assume you're referring to Alx's bit of research there... where he points out that town iLord (from Warhammer 40K mafia) doesn't accept the Cunning Plan (TM):
as opposed to this game, where he swallowed the Cunning Plan (TM) hook line and sinker?
Alx2's scenario is quite different from this - I suggest you read up on it.
Turbo comes in on the beginning of the day, after lurking for the first two days, saying that he is positive Cyan is scum. No explanations or anything - only that he knows Cyan's scum.
I asked for further clarification before proceeding. Turbo claims cop, and then we lynch Cyan.
Suth comes in and uses the lifeforce on Roja. After Roja says nothing happened, Suth says that he can confirm that Roja is lying.
In this case, no further clarification is needed. We can lynch Roja.
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(You would think that after having that Admiral Ackbar avvy for so long, iLord would have seen this coming. At least, I think iLord had that avvy. )
I did have that Avvy, but I don't see how this is a trap, even after I apparently "fell" into it.
Alx2's scenario is quite different from this - I suggest you read up on it.
This is pretty much exactly the point.
Which of these is more likely to be real?
A) Someone stays very, very quiet, then suddenly says "X is scum" out of nowhere, with no explanation.
B) A player fires off a bizarre-sounding day ability in response to someone making a joke that's a flavour match with it. Then said player asks the suspect a question and declares the subject's null response to be conclusive.
You reacted cautiously to the first and gave confident support to the second. Isn't that... back to front?
And don't try to pretend Turbo wasn't at least as committed as Sutherlands was. Alx2 didn't link to it, but I recommend everyone read the original post from 40K Mafia. There's no sense in which Turbo was just asserting scumminess without evidence. He explicitly said he'd used a night ability and took full responsibility for his choice of target.
ILord aside, Mod prod on CunningFox please!
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22. velict iLord - Vicks, Night Patrol - Limited Doctor, lynched Day One.
12. Roja - SOLDIER, 1st Class - Bodyguard, killed Night One.
6. tanarin - Tifa Lockheart, of AVALANCE - Mafia Doctor, modkilled Day Two.
21. Diggy - Captain Cid Highwind - Vigilante/Traitor, modkilled Day Two.
16. AlphInsidious - Rude, of the Turks - Turks Doctor, modkilled Day Two.
9. ~Tilde~ - SOLDIER, 1st Class - Single Shot Vig, lynched Day Two.
7. Fadeblue - Shelke, the Transparent - Scribe/Cop, daykilled Day Three.
25. Zionite - Aerith Gainsborough, Flower Girl - Mafia Ally - daykilled Day Three.
8. RafaelK - Maleficient - Heartless Cult Leader - daykilled Day Three.
19. Xyre - Reno's Heartless - Cultist - died with his master, Day Three.
11. bateleur - Heartless Guard Hound Keeper - Cultist - died with his master, Day Three.
14. Cunningfox creampuffeater - Tseng, of the Turks - Turks Searcher - daykilled, Day Three.
10. Abandon_Hope - Elena, of the Turks - Turks Cop - lynched Day Three.
20. Sutherlands - Heidegger, Head of Public Safety - Time Reverser. Killed night three.
18. Dattebayo Jobie - Wedge, of AVALANCHE - Mafia Name Cop - lynched Day 4.
15. Dragyn_Mage RobRoy - Scarlet, Head of Weapons Development - Lynch Controller - killed Night 4.
1. carrion pigeonsBigTime Kraj - Barret Wallace, of AVALANCHE - Mafia Mass-Blocker - killed Night 4.
13. DesCoures - Reeve Tuesti, Head of Urban development - Gambler/Traitor - lynched Day 5.
I will keep this list updated in my sig.
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The main difference between your behavior here and your behavior in WH40K with respect to the cop claim is that:
- There, you acknowledged the possibility the claimed cop could be in trouble if he doesn't "deliver the goods", but tried to prevent the possibility of a dual-mislynch by being a sceptic and asking questions.
- Here, you acknowledged the possibility the claimed cop could be in trouble if he doesn't "deliver the goods", and embraced the possibility of a dual-mislynch.
Bateleur is, literally, spot on accurate here. ilord acted *less* trusting, in a situation where he should have been moreso, when he was town. It is also important to note that he never tried to setup a false dichotomy there like has here. His post here is scummy in and of itself, but the picture becomes entirely clear when you examine how he acted in a similar situation in another game where we know he was town. The conclusion here is very apparent.
@Roja
Especially in light of your post in response to iLord. Why that particular list of four names, which includes the semi-confirmed player? Why not me, for that matter -- one of the first people to express any suspicion of you at all? My vote stays on you for now.
The players that I listed were all ones that doubted me because of my name. That was the only reason they were listed. You didn't have a post in that time and thus you nor anyone else was named.
Start with #600. Where I reveal everything.
#601. iLord dosen't beleive name. Also claims I should have more.. Asks around if I should have more.
#614 - 615. Where the trap started.
#634. I answered that nothing has happened yet. Meaning nothing as of now however expecting something from the Mods.
#645. Sutherlands states that "this was part of something, and if you didn't have something specific happen to you, then you're most definitely lying."
#649 bateleur admits "I entirely took his ability use post for a joke on first reading... now I'm feeling a bit about the whole thing"
#651. After seeing DYH post I know that I dont have anything.
#652. iLord trusts Sutherlands info as cop. Announces that Suth is in trouble pending my lynch be town. Switches vote to me as there is more on me then Cunning Fox.
#653 I mention the wierd setup between bateleur and Sutherlands.
#654. Xyre mentions the same thing iLord says reguarding Sutherlands. "We'll deal with him later if you're town."
#655. Sutherlands lets bateleur (and everyone) that the lifestream was nothing.
#656. Alx2 questions why were scummy. Points out "iLord's gleeful attempt to set up Sutherlands for tomorrow's lynch looks completely scummy on the other hand."
#658. iLord comments on Sutherlands comment and switches vote back Cunning Fox. Also claims that my question between bateleur and Sutherland is scummy.
#659. Alx2 asked iLord why is was scummy.
#660. iLord says "Suth says he has evidence that Roja's lying." Which is after the fact that Sutherlands said that it wasnet true. Even iLord commented on that fact.
#669. Xyre talks with iLord about the cunning plan.
#670. iLord says we dont know it is a cunning plan.. and if it was Sutherlands should claim.
Trap is clear that iLord messed up. And even myself can see the scummyness there. Vote iLord.
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a. "Woe is me, all people voting me are teh scumz" is just typical newbie stuff.
b. He was actually right about you making up the lifestream thingie as a result of bateleur mentioning it.
iLord's gleeful attempt to set up Sutherlands for tomorrow's lynch looks completely scummy on the other hand.
The claim of a first class soldier is generic and very simple. Its too easy to false claim. The only thing that makes me hesitate is that its become obvious that some of us are characters and some are not. I still think this is too conveinent of a claim.
Hmm...
He didn't straight out lie, which is good.
This is scummy:
I don't think Roja knows enough about FFVII to bluff what would happen.
He seemed pretty sure that nothing is happening.
All in all, I'm not really reading his reactions as scum.
Back to CunningFox. Unvote, Vote CunningFox.
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Suth says he has evidence that Roja's lying.
We lynch Roja, Roja didn't lie.
Of course Suth is going to be in a bad position!
So by the time AVALANCHE existed, there were no more SOLDIERS?
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On the other hand, those comments by iLord did look kind of scummy.
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He was trying to put suspicion on Sutherland's ability just because Bate happened to mention it. Looked like trying to save himself by saying Suth's ability's fake.
He was correct, but that doesn't make it any less scummy.
That was the only scummy part. I feel he responded to Suth's gambit well - he was sure that nothing was happening to him.
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Oh good grief, I didn't realise anyone was actually taking Zionite seriously.
No, he's completely wrong. There were plenty. You fight lots of them on the upper floors of the Shinra building when you break in there. And there are some fairly hard ones during the fight near the Mako Cannon.
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You say you don't want to get into a point by point argument with me, yet you still find the time to quote one part of my argument in order to get a last dig in.
Hmm, perhaps "immature", rather than "cunning" is more like it. You try and take the highground, asserting the fact that you don't want to discuss this further, but you end up shooting your post in the foot when you try and get the last word in by quoting one segment of my post.
This is so completely like you - as soon as someone calls you on your "Cyan is God" complex, you start yelling "NO, I AM BAD AT POINT BY POINT ARGUMENTS LALALA CAN'T HEAR U" - yet until the person in question takes the time to refute your baseless rhetoric, you seem happy to do so :rolleyes:.
Though in all honesty, despite iLord's blatantly scummy fishing this game, he still comes off as extremely, EXTREMELY misguided townie (according to a little voice in the back of my head). I have no way in which to really back this up right now; but I'll have another look over his posts. At least you might be right when you say that if no one else agrees, then I'm probably doing it wrong.
Perhaps I am getting too caught up in the block standard "scumtells" that iLord has demonstrated. It's 5:15 AM, I'm going to sleep.
Today, if I get time from work, I will look over iLord's posts again, from a different perspective.
The post of ilord's that Alx mentioned is thoroughly scummy, and smacks of someone talking from a position where they know that the person being lynched is going to come up as town. Ilord's response to this is also fairly scummy.
Sutherlands set a trap, but, Roja acted truthfully throughout. Instead, ilord fell for it.
Okay, that's what I thought.
Wuffles, explain how what I did was bad for the town, even if Roja had claimed Doc, barring any confirmed gambits, which I had already conceded in themselves should not warrant "Blatantly scummy."
I'm just not seeing your perspective.
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How is that not logical?
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a. Maybe just saying "oh noez you all suck", but the mentioning of people by name gives me pause there. It feels too specific to be a general rant.
b. Hmm. True. I thought Suth wasn't bluffing. Worth consideration.
I'm still not buying it on Roja.
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Because it was a Cunning Plan, rather than a genuine investigation?
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But we didn't know it was a Cunning Plan.
And if it was a Cunning Plan, Suth would claim so before Roja is lynched, no?
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...except Suth made the post saying it was a Cunning Plan before you made the post I quoted above. Aha!
Scratch the above. iLord's scum. Unvote, Vote iLord
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The relevant parts bolded by me.
iLord was not going to just go along and lynch that player with no additional info. He had healthy scepticism, and wanted to know just what it is the claiming player had before following him like a sheep.
In this game, he's completely trustful of Sutherlands, ready to follow him ... and lynch him tomorrow. Gotcha.
You're misunderstanding me.
I didn't know that it was a Cunning Plan before. I was explaining my mindset in this post:
My Custom Set: Solescurio
All Turbo said was "Cyan's Scum!"
Suth explained what he did.
My Custom Set: Solescurio
Hmm... one of these things is not like the other. Nice bit of research there.
Unvote
Vote: iLord
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No one said it isn't logical.
But it is based on an obviously false premise. Did you really think that Sutherland's lifestream was as simple as 'Cop investigation'? And would he really have 'not remembered to use it' if that were the case? It is much more likely that you realized these things and tried to gloss over them and setup a blatant false dichotomy than that you just failed to realize them to begin with.
@Wuffles
You defending Roja. How... interesting. Your tone in the last few posts also seems to shift between righteously outraged and coolly collected. I'm not quite comfortable with that. But that aside..
@Roja
Your claim came too soon, and was timed suspiciously. This could be frustrated and alarmed town. It could also be panicking scum. Your claim itself is also unnamed and has one of the most unverifiable abilities that a town power role can have. It's a plausible claim, but not much more than that. It's also too plausible a claim, at that, but that's going into WIFOM territory. All in all, not enough to lift my suspicion of you.
Especially in light of your post in response to iLord. Why that particular list of four names, which includes the semi-confirmed player? Why not me, for that matter -- one of the first people to express any suspicion of you at all? My vote stays on you for now. And in response to...
@Alx2 and Ged
Yes, I can see the above reactions by Roja as newbie town. But as I note above, they can just as easily be made by newbie scum. I will concede, though, that it seems consistent with his behaviour in concurrent games -- but I'm not quite ready to trust meta on a new player. But speaking of meta..
@iLord
First you fish harder than a crab trawler, then you try to create a false dichotomy between Sutherlands and Roja -- which logically should not happen, because even if Sutherlands had been telling the truth, an ability that works publically, in daytime, by typing 'use lifestream on x' is not liable to work in any conventional way. It doesn't even work in terms of conventional roles; if Sutherlands had claimed cop and a guilty on Roja, and Roja turned out innocent, you'd suspect sanity first before scumminess. Your logic doesn't fly. It hardly even walks.
The above is as easily made by bad townie as it is by scum. But taken together with your sudden hop off Roja's wagon with a vague excuse? FOS iLord with intent to vote.
Also:
@Zionite
...your speculations are pretty bad overall, and are beginning to look vaguely like dissembling and distraction, honestly. Given that Roja's already claimed having no name, speculating on 'significant characters' in SOLDIER means nothing.
Besides, if you want to throw in Crisis Core, you'd have to throw in Dirge of Cerberus, Advent Children, whatever the heck the anime OVA was, and any number of unknown spinoffs in as well.
@CunningFox
Where are you?
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Bant Wageslave; Behind every successful knight is a corporate drudge doing his taxwork.
Naya Overenthusiast; Because there is such a thing as too much enthusiasm.
You said it... I think I have whiplash from what just happened.
Unvote, Vote iLord
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You walked right into that one.
No important ones. As for being completely instinct I'd have to do the research, but I know all the good ones died or deserted by the time avalanche came to be. The only ones that remained were weak dude.
If you want to get REALLY technical, avalanche started during crisis core. It's mentioned a few times by the citizens in Zach's off time in midgar. But I doubt that Final Fantasy 7 mafia includes all of the canon that is attached, along with the obscure japanese cellphone game involving the turks and the anime that follows the crisis core story line. Thats just too much to be included to be any kind of fun.
What we need to keep in mind here is straight up setting from when cloud jumps off that train until the final battle between sephy and cloud. Just the one story.
Yeah bat is right. You do fight masked members of SOLDIER. What I was saying was all the characters from SOLDIER were gone by the time the main game takes place. All that remains were grunts.
Thanks for being rude about it too bat.
There was a trap? Did i miss something?
You're clearly not reading my posts, only skimming. I'm NOT including any other FF7 spinoffs. Thats the whole point.
And we just had someone claim 1st class soldier. The setup speculation has EVERYTHING to do with that. I find that its a very obvious, generic, false claim for someone who probably has something else to hide behind 'bodyguard'.
I joined this game because I have an extensive knowledge of the story. Now I want to use that to help the town distinguish fact from fiction in regards to that. You trying to discredit me is not helping.
Unfortunately, we can't lynch more than one person, much as we might like to.
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Concur on all points. Mind you, the only problem I have with Sutherlands' trap is there was not really an option there for Roja to take other than say "nothing happened". Sutherlands didn't claim a cop investigation exactly, or anything that could be met with "maybe I'm a miller" or "maybe you're paranoid" or anything like that. What could Roja try and bluff? "I got a PM to say I got wet in the lifestream, is that it?" He pretty much could only say nothing happened, and hope. I don't think the "trap" actually proved diddly squat abut Roja.
Agreed on iLord, though.
Of course this is true too.
I see this has already been answered, but the SOLDIERS definitely still existed at the time this game takes place.
What?
Nor do I, and I'm keeping my vote on him thanks very much. CF submerged as soon as Roja's original scummy post moved the focus away. There's a bit of a tendency so far in this game to vote for the person to make the most recent scummy post, but I'm more sure of CF than I am of iLord or even Roja (although the latter is questions of degrees, Roja is more likely scum than not too).
To clarify my original argument re: iLord - Cunning Plans faking investigations and investigations differ in the intent of the post. Much like how people like CropCircles fake daykills to try to glean information from the inexperienced (or as jokes); there isn't any inherent scumminess if the subject in question comes up town, imho. Although cunning plans as a whole are rather borderline.
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See post above this one.
I felt that it was close enough to a cop investigation if Suth could be sure that Roja was lying.
When did he "not remembered to use it?"
Des, this is a specialty. Almost anything can happen. If Suth said that he had a day ability to "use lifestream on X" and it told him that Roja was lying, and that he was sure, I'm saying that's as good as a cop investigation.
What's the vague excuse?
Please explain.
I don't think my bandwagon is as cut and dry as some of the others and I'd like you to point out which of my posts you find extremely scummy.
Umm...
What did I walk right into.
What makes you think it's just the main story?
I'm thinking anything with AVALANCHE and Shinra is fair game.
So Bate, any First-Class soldiers left when AVALANCHE came into existence?
I don't think that we should ignore the spin-offs and sequels just because there would be too much.
I think we can only ellminate the ones without AVALANCHE.
Xyre, I didn't know that Suth was bluffing.
To me, Suth's claim was like a cop investigation that Roja was lying.
That's why I stated that Suth would be in trouble tommorrow if Roja turned up town.
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Umm...
The cunning plan was for Roja...
Would explain how you felt I fell into this "cunning plan?"
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If you don't know why, then perhaps you should look it up.
@ Cyan: that was a quick shift? From "iLord's last post screams town" to "vote iLord"?
Which would be...all of them except the main one.
AVALANCHE was a group formed with a purpose. Once that purpose was served they were really just friends who hung out after work.
Also, I want to hear how iLord is trapped beyond the normal scummy iLord(i'm not seeing any difference between here and town iLord where he still acts fairly scummy).
Do we know he actually did pass over sutherlands post? I didn't see anyone really freaking out about it and restating(to be honest I missed it too until just recently). It seems difficult to assume that he didn't do as he said and missed it.
I'm too busy right now, but I should have some more analysis over the weekend.
Regarding the iLord case... Does nobody else find Alx2's observation significant?
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I assume you're referring to Alx's bit of research there... where he points out that town iLord (from Warhammer 40K mafia) doesn't accept the Cunning Plan (TM):
as opposed to this game, where he swallowed the Cunning Plan (TM) hook line and sinker?
(You would think that after having that Admiral Ackbar avvy for so long, iLord would have seen this coming. At least, I think iLord had that avvy. )
I count iLord at 8 votes (Wuffles, Draygn_Mage, Alx2, Cyan, Xyre, Bateleur, WoD, and myself) with an FOS/intention to vote from desCoures.
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@Wuffles: Please answer this question, if only to humor me in your eyes.
He's already explained why he feels that way.
So you think I set Sutherlands up?
Okay good, so you do.
@Everyone else who thinks this is a point against me.
Look at the post in question:
Suth claimed that he was sure Roja was lying.
Roja claimed that he wasn't.
We lynch Roja - he turns up town.
Why won't Suth be in trouble?
I'm not understanding how this is a scumtell.
???
Okay.
Alx2's scenario is quite different from this - I suggest you read up on it.
Turbo comes in on the beginning of the day, after lurking for the first two days, saying that he is positive Cyan is scum. No explanations or anything - only that he knows Cyan's scum.
I asked for further clarification before proceeding. Turbo claims cop, and then we lynch Cyan.
Suth comes in and uses the lifeforce on Roja. After Roja says nothing happened, Suth says that he can confirm that Roja is lying.
In this case, no further clarification is needed. We can lynch Roja.
I did have that Avvy, but I don't see how this is a trap, even after I apparently "fell" into it.
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Lurks for a while -> super-scummy behavior -> dissappears while attention shifts away from him.
iLord (9) - Wuffles_II, Dragyn_Mage, Abandon Hope, Alx2, Cyan, Xyre, Bateleur, ~Tilde~, Wrath_of_Dog
Cunningfox (4) - RafaelK, Ged, Krowzy, iLord
Roja (3) - DesCoures, Sutherlands, Zionite
Tanarin (2) - Dattebayo, Fadeblue
DesCoures (1) - Loran16
Wuffles_II (1) - Stormblind
Xyre (1) - Charm_Master3125
With a bajillion people alive (28), it is a jillion people to lynch (15).
Andelijah replaces Loran16.
Jobie replaces Dattebayo.
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This is pretty much exactly the point.
Which of these is more likely to be real?
A) Someone stays very, very quiet, then suddenly says "X is scum" out of nowhere, with no explanation.
B) A player fires off a bizarre-sounding day ability in response to someone making a joke that's a flavour match with it. Then said player asks the suspect a question and declares the subject's null response to be conclusive.
You reacted cautiously to the first and gave confident support to the second. Isn't that... back to front?
And don't try to pretend Turbo wasn't at least as committed as Sutherlands was. Alx2 didn't link to it, but I recommend everyone read the original post from 40K Mafia. There's no sense in which Turbo was just asserting scumminess without evidence. He explicitly said he'd used a night ability and took full responsibility for his choice of target.
ILord aside, Mod prod on CunningFox please!
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Still Drawing Breath
2. Ged
3. Wrath_of_DoG
4. Atomic_Requiem
5. StormBlind
17. charm_master_3125
23.
krowzySandsoft_blue24. Wuffles II
26.
loran16Andelijah27. Cyan
28.
Alx2MMoDReturned To the Planet
22.
velictiLord - Vicks, Night Patrol - Limited Doctor, lynched Day One.12. Roja - SOLDIER, 1st Class - Bodyguard, killed Night One.
6. tanarin - Tifa Lockheart, of AVALANCE - Mafia Doctor, modkilled Day Two.
21. Diggy - Captain Cid Highwind - Vigilante/Traitor, modkilled Day Two.
16. AlphInsidious - Rude, of the Turks - Turks Doctor, modkilled Day Two.
9. ~Tilde~ - SOLDIER, 1st Class - Single Shot Vig, lynched Day Two.
7. Fadeblue - Shelke, the Transparent - Scribe/Cop, daykilled Day Three.
25. Zionite - Aerith Gainsborough, Flower Girl - Mafia Ally - daykilled Day Three.
8. RafaelK - Maleficient - Heartless Cult Leader - daykilled Day Three.
19. Xyre - Reno's Heartless - Cultist - died with his master, Day Three.
11. bateleur - Heartless Guard Hound Keeper - Cultist - died with his master, Day Three.
14.
Cunningfoxcreampuffeater - Tseng, of the Turks - Turks Searcher - daykilled, Day Three.10. Abandon_Hope - Elena, of the Turks - Turks Cop - lynched Day Three.
20. Sutherlands - Heidegger, Head of Public Safety - Time Reverser. Killed night three.
18.
DattebayoJobie - Wedge, of AVALANCHE - Mafia Name Cop - lynched Day 4.15.
Dragyn_MageRobRoy - Scarlet, Head of Weapons Development - Lynch Controller - killed Night 4.1.
carrion pigeonsBigTimeKraj - Barret Wallace, of AVALANCHE - Mafia Mass-Blocker - killed Night 4.13. DesCoures - Reeve Tuesti, Head of Urban development - Gambler/Traitor - lynched Day 5.
I will keep this list updated in my sig.
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The main difference between your behavior here and your behavior in WH40K with respect to the cop claim is that:
- There, you acknowledged the possibility the claimed cop could be in trouble if he doesn't "deliver the goods", but tried to prevent the possibility of a dual-mislynch by being a sceptic and asking questions.
- Here, you acknowledged the possibility the claimed cop could be in trouble if he doesn't "deliver the goods", and embraced the possibility of a dual-mislynch.
The players that I listed were all ones that doubted me because of my name. That was the only reason they were listed. You didn't have a post in that time and thus you nor anyone else was named.
This is what I see:
Start with #600. Where I reveal everything.
#601. iLord dosen't beleive name. Also claims I should have more.. Asks around if I should have more.
#614 - 615. Where the trap started.
#634. I answered that nothing has happened yet. Meaning nothing as of now however expecting something from the Mods.
#645. Sutherlands states that "this was part of something, and if you didn't have something specific happen to you, then you're most definitely lying."
#649 bateleur admits "I entirely took his ability use post for a joke on first reading... now I'm feeling a bit about the whole thing"
#651. After seeing DYH post I know that I dont have anything.
#652. iLord trusts Sutherlands info as cop. Announces that Suth is in trouble pending my lynch be town. Switches vote to me as there is more on me then Cunning Fox.
#653 I mention the wierd setup between bateleur and Sutherlands.
#654. Xyre mentions the same thing iLord says reguarding Sutherlands. "We'll deal with him later if you're town."
#655. Sutherlands lets bateleur (and everyone) that the lifestream was nothing.
#656. Alx2 questions why were scummy. Points out "iLord's gleeful attempt to set up Sutherlands for tomorrow's lynch looks completely scummy on the other hand."
#658. iLord comments on Sutherlands comment and switches vote back Cunning Fox. Also claims that my question between bateleur and Sutherland is scummy.
#659. Alx2 asked iLord why is was scummy.
#660. iLord says "Suth says he has evidence that Roja's lying." Which is after the fact that Sutherlands said that it wasnet true. Even iLord commented on that fact.
#669. Xyre talks with iLord about the cunning plan.
#670. iLord says we dont know it is a cunning plan.. and if it was Sutherlands should claim.
Trap is clear that iLord messed up. And even myself can see the scummyness there. Vote iLord.