Okay here's what I see the situation as: AK and BT are confirmed. I'm also going to assume that the rest of you assume Loran and I are town. I'm not 100% sure on loran but there's a strong point in his favour which I'm not going to mention, but the information is already available to everyone and if you've noticed it, then that should clear loran.
That leaves MBP, Myrf, and GT. The plan: We lynch GT, investigate Myrf. Tomorrow AK tells us if Myrf is guilty or innocent. If he's innocent we lynch MBP.
Assuming the scum kills a confirmed townie tonight, on Day 5 we should have 5 players, three of which are at least pseudo-confirmed or strong town. If Myrf turns up innocent, we lynch MBP. If MBP, Myrf, and GT are ALL town (highly unlikely), that means on Day 6 we'll have to see who's left to determine a vote.
It's weird. On day 1 i solidly read GT as being cyan-like. Now i suck at reading Cyan, but even so my read was closer to town than scum. Then again, at that point i didn't read Ea as being scum.
My vote will go on Gifts as soon as we decide to end the day, but i would like to hear people's cases on Myrf or MBP at this point. I thought Myrf was pretty town before.
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I'm not 100% sure on loran but there's a strong point in his favour which I'm not going to mention, but the information is already available to everyone and if you've noticed it, then that should clear loran.
If you saw what I think you did, that's why I think loran is town.
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I think I agree with Jodo's plan. Except for the lynching me part, but that probably doesn't make a difference. I think I see what loran's town tell is, so he's confirmed. Akid is confirmed, and so is Big Time. That leaves me, GT, Myrf, and JodoYodo. I think in order of scumminess, GT would be first, then Myrf, then me, and lastly JY.
I'm just a Blu Soldier. Vanilla Townie. Considering that this is a Newb game, I wouldn't expect that class would come into the picture very much. That kind of thing is more like something you would find in a speciality game, or at least a non-newb game.
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I'd like to hear a class too, although I don't think it'll affect much. The fact that GT is fine with the plan are town points for him, but we have to do this methodically. The thing on loran isn't 100% but it makes me pretty sure, at least.
I'm vanilla pyro and BT claiming was dumb. We need to keep a maximum number of unknown townies as possible, even tho you probably are dead tonight anyway.
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Alright, so are we going through with the plan? In case you turn up town GT, apologies in advance.
No apologies it's a strat used to advance the likelihood of a town win. i'm vanilla I don't care if i die for the benefit of the town. And so I don't have to do it later...
That's the sound Myrf makes just before bending over dead, which announces the arrival of day. He was a BLU solider and a vanilla townie.
With 5 alive, it's 3 to lynch.
You know, right before I came to read this thread, I wondered, "Hmmmm... I wonder if the mafia are going to kill me?"
...Guess I got my answer. Go town, and all that.
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So... 5 people left.
Me, loran, JY, BT, and AK.
BT and AK are confirmed.
JY is very likely to be town, but scum is possible.
loran is a bit more likely to be scum, but still unlikely.
I am about 50/50, from the comments people have made.
AK, I am assuming you investigated Myrf. As he died, the investigation wouldn't do anything, correct?
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I'm inclined to think that loran may be the scum. In my opinion, it would take an experienced player to take advantage of the plan to investigate myrf, and kill him during the night. So, that is a scum point for both loran and JY, who proposed the plan yesterday. unvote, vote loran16, FoS JodoYodo
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loran wouldn't say something like 'me innocent' if he were scum, I feel. And I don't think he'd investigate BT or I, so I'm guessing it's MBP and guilty.
I think MBP and Loran are our prime suspects for today, and I have been leaning more toward MBP as scum than Loran. Still the rule stands, LAL and whatnot...
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manbearpig is town. Which means one of loran and JY is scum, barring a GF.
I'm not sure which of those 2 is more likely scum, but I'm inclined to say loran. So I'll Vote Loran
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manbearpig is town. Which means one of loran and JY is scum, barring a GF.
I'm not sure which of those 2 is more likely scum, but I'm inclined to say loran. So I'll Vote Loran
So JY is scum?
Meh, Actually, I just want out of this disaster of a game. Plus there's the point that I'm 95% certain that Jodoyodo is the doc. So lets not waste time, shall we?
I had the worst scum team in existence.
Vote loran16
I call scum MVP for not sucking btw.
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We live in a country were ~50% of the populace believe public schooling is a socialist conspiracy and that being called Einstein is an insult. We could try and fix it, but unfortunately the other 50% don't believe in euthanasia.
"Let's kill loran!" someone shouts. And by internet law, that's all you need. Of course it helps that he's un-disguised himself and is the only red team member in the group.
Loran16 has been lynched. He was a RED spy and a mafia goon.
And with that, the capture point begins filling up again. A few seconds later and the BLU team has pulled off a victory!
Congratulations town on their win and the well played game.
I give the town MVP to JY
Mafia MVP to Loran
Town LVP-I don't know, even iLord was good in the sense that he nailed 2/3s of the scum team on day one
Mafia LVP-EER. His honor bs made NO sense.
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You are a RED spy and the mafia roleblocker. Your partners are XXX and YYY, and you may talk with them at night and now during the pre-game. At night, the three of you can choose someone to kill. You are in charge of PMing me who that person is and which of you is making the kill. Also at night, you may send me the name of someone you want to roleblock. Any abilities that person tries to use that night will fail.
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You are a BLU scout and the cop. Each night you may choose someone to investigate by shooting them with your pistol. If they are on the BLU team, they won’t take damage because friendly fire is off (I’ll tell you that they’re innocent). If they are a spy for the RED team, then your pistol will do a small amount of damage to them (I’ll tell you that they’re guilty). Your pistol can’t actually kill anyone, so don’t go thinking that it does; you just get to investigate people.
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Man, so many typos in those PMs (which I have now fixed). Sorry guys. Oh, and you can replace soldier in that last one with various other classes.
I thought a pretty standard newb game these days was this plus a one shot vig on the town side and a godfather on the mafia side. I wanted to simplify things a bit because I think newb games should be simple, so I cut those roles and called it a day. Cop investigations should be trustworthy in newb games if nowhere else.
Notes on the game:
Basically the mafia were bad. Jerubbaal played fine while he was here, but Netfinity had sunk him by the time he got in the game. Loran's in game play was fine, but he shot down the idea that AK had actually claimed day 1 when ea brought it up night 1 in the mafia discussion. Ea's play was also pretty bad, although he caught that AK had claimed.
Mafia MVP: loran16. He didn't play amazingly, but he played a solid game. A better one than his partners, at any rate.
Even if this game is more about the mafia's blunders, the town did play well. iLord called all 3 scum from day 1. He got lynched anyway because of his random gambit (newb games don't have roles like that, my friend), but he gets major props if nothing else. AK managed to avoid actually coming out as cop day 1 despite being under a lot of pressure. Kraj managed to fake the scum into thinking he had a power role.
Town MVP: Apokalypse Kid. He should've had to claim day 1 but he got out of it. If he'd died night 1, I think loran would not have had a hard time pulling it together for the mafia.
Oh, and ea, it's never a good idea to compare a case on you to a witch trial. Just don't do that.
@iLord, there's 2 key parts of playing mafia as a townie.
1. Figuring out who is the scum. This is the EASY part (relatively speaking).
2. Convincing everyone else you'r right. Much MUCH Harder.
Your method of #1 nailed Net and Ea....ged'll tell you and agree with me that your comments about me were crap (thus why I wasn't investigated).
your method of #2 was retarded, and made #1 mainly moot had those players not been horrific horrific scum.
@Akid-and-Ged, the reason i didnt think Akid was cop was that his day 1 play was so horrifically bad. In a normal game akid, youd have been forced to obviously claim, which would have been a terrible terrible hit for the town. As a cop, you should try and play slightly more conservative than normal, not hyperactive attacking everyone in sight.
Also your coming out was retarded. There are no daykills in newb games. You should've held onto your info (especially the first time, when it wasn't totally clear you were the cop) until at least a week (real time) after the day had started, that way you get genuine reactions of players toward teh guilty player, and you get to see his comments toward others.
Also, Ea's cheating comments were so terrible.
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I have come to the conclusion that I suck as mafia. I mean really suck. I have absolutely no ability to determine scum whatsoever. All I'm actually good at is deconstructing crap arguments, but I've found that town and scum make crap arguments just as often (if not moreso town simply because scum often avoid making any arguments at all), and can make crap arguments but still be dead right in their conclusion.
I misread AK. Again. I misread iLord. I misread GiftsTrix, and probably would have gone along with a wagon on Big Time. I didn't think Netfinity's behavior was unreasonable and I thought the case against him was blown way out of proportion. I didn't really see EER's behavior as scummy, just pointless. Loran completely fooled me.
Kraj managed to fake the scum into thinking he had a power role.
Really? I did something right? Yay!!!!
For those wondering, after AK soft claimed his cop role, I wanted scum to target me hoping to hit the doc so I dropped a subtle hint that I was going to protect AK, hoping the scum would pick up on it and think I made a mistake.
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Good job to AK for not investigating Myrf last night. I certainly thought loran was NOT scum because there was no kill on night 3. Because of that, and the fact that I'm the doc, I knew that scum targeted AK on night 3, which didn't make much sense to me since it'd be obvious that he'd have doc protection. Which is why I ruled out loran.
Which was a big mistake! I'm glad it worked out in the end. Overall my doc targets were:
Night 1: Goatrevolt
Night 2-Infinity: AK
Ironic that iLord properly called out 2/3 scum, props to him for that. I'm also surprised that loran was scum as he mentioned both Net and EER on his 'probable scum' targets for his early pbpa. Guess that's a matter of WIFOM.
Definitely think AK is the town MVP here. Good cop investigations.
Don't worry, Kraj. I'm still just as confused as to how to play this game as you are.
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@Akid-and-Ged, the reason i didnt think Akid was cop was that his day 1 play was so horrifically bad.
Well then he did something right :p.
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Your method of #1 nailed Net and Ea....ged'll tell you and agree with me that your comments about me were crap (thus why I wasn't investigated).
Just because his method of #1 was faulty in its process doesn't mean it didn't produce a good conclusion. Even if iLord's points on you were poor (and they weren't that great, it's true), the fact remains that he called you as scum and you were scum.
Good job to AK for not investigating Myrf last night. I certainly thought loran was NOT scum because there was no kill on night 3. Because of that, and the fact that I'm the doc, I knew that scum targeted AK on night 3, which didn't make much sense to me since it'd be obvious that he'd have doc protection. Which is why I ruled out loran.
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I thought id be investigated on night 3, so I shot at AK. Docs occasionally gambit and DONT protect claimed cops or power roles, because (in a WIFOM way of thinking) the odds of mafia targetting them for a kill are really low (as the mafia can usually assume doc protection of that player). So i figured my only shot would be to hope you were running that gambit. Ah well.
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Wow. Nice job people.
Town MVP: Without a doubt, Akid. Handed us a scum and good confirmations, without getting lynched before he claimed.
Town LVP: As stated, noone really. Only candidate really was iLord with his gambit, but he got 2/3 scum right on his list, so he can't be all bad.
Mafia MVP: loran, without a doubt. No one ever suspected you up until the last day. Definitely well played. Probably would've won with better scum partners.
Mafia LVP: Ummm..... Probably Netfinity/jerubaal. Jerubaal played well for the time he was here, but net just dug a huge hole of crappy responses and scummy actions that he couldn't get out of.
Once again, well played town.
I think I'll nominate myself for town LVP. I did like nothing of concequnce that whole game.
I think the major things I need to work on are a) not procrastinating rereads, and b) not believing anyone who agrees with me to be town (I didn't think Loran was scum for that exact reason: he agreed with me a couple times, and I figured he was town).
Ah well, I'll have future newb games to look forward to, I guess.
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Woooo fun game!!! I mainly plaid in this game to see if I could switch up my style a bit. I'm not a big fan of quote wars so I tried to avoid them completly and what I found out was....I didn't really do ANYTHING this game.
Town MVP: iLord. Amazing day 1 read. If you had just stuck it out and gathered the evidence and been a little more patient this would've been a perfect town win. Seriously duded awesome.
Scum MVP: Loran. Had me fooled, I've read games where your scum and you plaid alot better here, lower stakes maybe? You were never under any REAL pressure so that might've helped.
Okay here's what I see the situation as: AK and BT are confirmed. I'm also going to assume that the rest of you assume Loran and I are town. I'm not 100% sure on loran but there's a strong point in his favour which I'm not going to mention, but the information is already available to everyone and if you've noticed it, then that should clear loran.
That leaves MBP, Myrf, and GT. The plan: We lynch GT, investigate Myrf. Tomorrow AK tells us if Myrf is guilty or innocent. If he's innocent we lynch MBP.
Assuming the scum kills a confirmed townie tonight, on Day 5 we should have 5 players, three of which are at least pseudo-confirmed or strong town. If Myrf turns up innocent, we lynch MBP. If MBP, Myrf, and GT are ALL town (highly unlikely), that means on Day 6 we'll have to see who's left to determine a vote.
What do you guys think of my plan?
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My vote will go on Gifts as soon as we decide to end the day, but i would like to hear people's cases on Myrf or MBP at this point. I thought Myrf was pretty town before.
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If you saw what I think you did, that's why I think loran is town.
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Also, at what point do we follow through with this plan? Did GT cliam yet? Is that what we are waiting for?
On that subject... what class are you?
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Wait, was that directed at me or at GT? Cause I thought it was me...
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Alright, so are we going through with the plan? In case you turn up town GT, apologies in advance.
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No apologies it's a strat used to advance the likelihood of a town win. i'm vanilla I don't care if i die for the benefit of the town. And so I don't have to do it later...
go town/Bah&co.
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GiftsTrix - 4 (Apokalypse Kid, JodoYodo, BigTime, loran16)
Myrf - 1 (GiftsTrix)
You twiddle your thumbs. GiftsTrix coughs. Someone twitchy flips around and shoots him in the head on reflex.
GiftsTrix has been lynched. He was a BLU pyro and a vanilla townie.
Night 3 will end Sunday night or when I get all actions in.
That's the sound Myrf makes just before bending over dead, which announces the arrival of day. He was a BLU solider and a vanilla townie.
With 5 alive, it's 3 to lynch.
...Guess I got my answer. Go town, and all that.
Me, loran, JY, BT, and AK.
BT and AK are confirmed.
JY is very likely to be town, but scum is possible.
loran is a bit more likely to be scum, but still unlikely.
I am about 50/50, from the comments people have made.
AK, I am assuming you investigated Myrf. As he died, the investigation wouldn't do anything, correct?
Also, Duke game.
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I'm inclined to think that loran may be the scum. In my opinion, it would take an experienced player to take advantage of the plan to investigate myrf, and kill him during the night. So, that is a scum point for both loran and JY, who proposed the plan yesterday.
unvote, vote loran16, FoS JodoYodo
I guessed the mafia would shoot myrf if he was town, so I investigated somebody else!
guess who
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Also, nice play there.
But seriously, who?
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I'm not sure which of those 2 is more likely scum, but I'm inclined to say loran. So I'll Vote Loran
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So JY is scum?
Meh, Actually, I just want out of this disaster of a game. Plus there's the point that I'm 95% certain that Jodoyodo is the doc. So lets not waste time, shall we?
I had the worst scum team in existence.
Vote loran16
I call scum MVP for not sucking btw.
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Vote Loran. GG.
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"Let's kill loran!" someone shouts. And by internet law, that's all you need. Of course it helps that he's un-disguised himself and is the only red team member in the group.
Loran16 has been lynched. He was a RED spy and a mafia goon.
And with that, the capture point begins filling up again. A few seconds later and the BLU team has pulled off a victory!
Congratulations town on their win and the well played game.
Town MVP: I dunno. AK or JodoYodo?
Town LVP: Me, I managed to guess the entire scum team with a horrible gambit and still got myself lynched.
Mafia MVP: Loran, or course.
Mafia LVP: Netfinity; he got me on the track of the entire scum team.
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Mafia MVP to Loran
Town LVP-I don't know, even iLord was good in the sense that he nailed 2/3s of the scum team on day one
Mafia LVP-EER. His honor bs made NO sense.
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Man, so many typos in those PMs (which I have now fixed). Sorry guys. Oh, and you can replace soldier in that last one with various other classes.
Total setup:
1 cop (scout)
1 doc (medic)
7 vanilla (3 soldier, 1 heavy, 2 pyros, 1 sniper)
2 goons (spy)
1 roleblocker (spy)
I thought a pretty standard newb game these days was this plus a one shot vig on the town side and a godfather on the mafia side. I wanted to simplify things a bit because I think newb games should be simple, so I cut those roles and called it a day. Cop investigations should be trustworthy in newb games if nowhere else.
Notes on the game:
Basically the mafia were bad. Jerubbaal played fine while he was here, but Netfinity had sunk him by the time he got in the game. Loran's in game play was fine, but he shot down the idea that AK had actually claimed day 1 when ea brought it up night 1 in the mafia discussion. Ea's play was also pretty bad, although he caught that AK had claimed.
Mafia MVP: loran16. He didn't play amazingly, but he played a solid game. A better one than his partners, at any rate.
Even if this game is more about the mafia's blunders, the town did play well. iLord called all 3 scum from day 1. He got lynched anyway because of his random gambit (newb games don't have roles like that, my friend), but he gets major props if nothing else. AK managed to avoid actually coming out as cop day 1 despite being under a lot of pressure. Kraj managed to fake the scum into thinking he had a power role.
Town MVP: Apokalypse Kid. He should've had to claim day 1 but he got out of it. If he'd died night 1, I think loran would not have had a hard time pulling it together for the mafia.
Oh, and ea, it's never a good idea to compare a case on you to a witch trial. Just don't do that.
iLord actually hit all 3 day 1. It was hilarious.
1. Figuring out who is the scum. This is the EASY part (relatively speaking).
2. Convincing everyone else you'r right. Much MUCH Harder.
Your method of #1 nailed Net and Ea....ged'll tell you and agree with me that your comments about me were crap (thus why I wasn't investigated).
your method of #2 was retarded, and made #1 mainly moot had those players not been horrific horrific scum.
@Akid-and-Ged, the reason i didnt think Akid was cop was that his day 1 play was so horrifically bad. In a normal game akid, youd have been forced to obviously claim, which would have been a terrible terrible hit for the town. As a cop, you should try and play slightly more conservative than normal, not hyperactive attacking everyone in sight.
Also your coming out was retarded. There are no daykills in newb games. You should've held onto your info (especially the first time, when it wasn't totally clear you were the cop) until at least a week (real time) after the day had started, that way you get genuine reactions of players toward teh guilty player, and you get to see his comments toward others.
Also, Ea's cheating comments were so terrible.
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I have come to the conclusion that I suck as mafia. I mean really suck. I have absolutely no ability to determine scum whatsoever. All I'm actually good at is deconstructing crap arguments, but I've found that town and scum make crap arguments just as often (if not moreso town simply because scum often avoid making any arguments at all), and can make crap arguments but still be dead right in their conclusion.
I misread AK. Again. I misread iLord. I misread GiftsTrix, and probably would have gone along with a wagon on Big Time. I didn't think Netfinity's behavior was unreasonable and I thought the case against him was blown way out of proportion. I didn't really see EER's behavior as scummy, just pointless. Loran completely fooled me.
*sigh*
Really? I did something right? Yay!!!!
For those wondering, after AK soft claimed his cop role, I wanted scum to target me hoping to hit the doc so I dropped a subtle hint that I was going to protect AK, hoping the scum would pick up on it and think I made a mistake.
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Which was a big mistake! I'm glad it worked out in the end. Overall my doc targets were:
Night 1: Goatrevolt
Night 2-Infinity: AK
Ironic that iLord properly called out 2/3 scum, props to him for that. I'm also surprised that loran was scum as he mentioned both Net and EER on his 'probable scum' targets for his early pbpa. Guess that's a matter of WIFOM.
Definitely think AK is the town MVP here. Good cop investigations.
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Well then he did something right :p.
Just because his method of #1 was faulty in its process doesn't mean it didn't produce a good conclusion. Even if iLord's points on you were poor (and they weren't that great, it's true), the fact remains that he called you as scum and you were scum.
I thought id be investigated on night 3, so I shot at AK. Docs occasionally gambit and DONT protect claimed cops or power roles, because (in a WIFOM way of thinking) the odds of mafia targetting them for a kill are really low (as the mafia can usually assume doc protection of that player). So i figured my only shot would be to hope you were running that gambit. Ah well.
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Town MVP: Without a doubt, Akid. Handed us a scum and good confirmations, without getting lynched before he claimed.
Town LVP: As stated, noone really. Only candidate really was iLord with his gambit, but he got 2/3 scum right on his list, so he can't be all bad.
Mafia MVP: loran, without a doubt. No one ever suspected you up until the last day. Definitely well played. Probably would've won with better scum partners.
Mafia LVP: Ummm..... Probably Netfinity/jerubaal. Jerubaal played well for the time he was here, but net just dug a huge hole of crappy responses and scummy actions that he couldn't get out of.
Once again, well played town.
I think the major things I need to work on are a) not procrastinating rereads, and b) not believing anyone who agrees with me to be town (I didn't think Loran was scum for that exact reason: he agreed with me a couple times, and I figured he was town).
Ah well, I'll have future newb games to look forward to, I guess.
When is newb 18 gonna start? Does anyone have an idea?
Town MVP: iLord. Amazing day 1 read. If you had just stuck it out and gathered the evidence and been a little more patient this would've been a perfect town win. Seriously duded awesome.
Scum MVP: Loran. Had me fooled, I've read games where your scum and you plaid alot better here, lower stakes maybe? You were never under any REAL pressure so that might've helped.
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