This post really confuses me. Earlier, you were arguing for not lynching EER. In this post, on the other hand, you seem to be attacking him. Explain please?
However, as I believe EER is at 4 I will not hammer.
Holy crap, the last time I heard philosophizing this bad it was from EER in newb 17. It's a game. You play games to win. If you're not playing to win, you're playing badly.
We live in a country were ~50% of the populace believe public schooling is a socialist conspiracy and that being called Einstein is an insult. We could try and fix it, but unfortunately the other 50% don't believe in euthanasia.
Ummm, Me innocent? (Since if you had a guilty you wouldn't waste our time.)
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While I wouldn't be overly surprised if this was true, and I agree with wagoning BT, there's a distinct possibility that the last scum is a godfather. I'd like to hear AK's result when he's ready, but I would like to note that an innocent result does not necessarily mean innocent.
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I'm not scum, Just so you know. But I'll wait for a PBPA to respond.
I did one earlier. All of it still stands. But it's good to know you're not scum. I was getting a little worried there :rolleyes:.
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It's on day one. I'll post a PBPA of your performance after D1 on Fri., hopefully, but you really haven't gotten a whole lot better since day one.
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Anyone know how many scum there probably are in this game? 3? 4?
It's impossible to know for sure. W/ 12 it's either 4 mafioso and some power 4 town or 3 mafioso 1 neutral and some power for the town. Or if the town is uber weak I could see 3 mafioso.
Bigtime is innocent. I got what I wanted from this though-Vote Giftstrix. I'm ruling out a godfather because they had a roleblocker and it is usually 1 or the other.
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I find this post rather strange. Speculation and THEN voting without waiting for a response.
If you look at GT's voting record, it's not very good. Did not vote for either Jerub nor EER, and did not post at all after AK announced Jerub's guilt. Did not support EER's wagon and voted for BT instead.
On the other hand he supported AK's investigation of Jerubaal before iLord's lynch, which gets him townie points. So if mafia has a roleblocker, they usually don't have a godfather in newb games?
I find this post rather strange. Speculation and THEN voting without waiting for a response.
If you look at GT's voting record, it's not very good. Did not vote for either Jerub nor EER, and did not post at all after AK announced Jerub's guilt. Did not support EER's wagon and voted for BT instead.
On the other hand he supported AK's investigation of Jerubaal before iLord's lynch, which gets him townie points. So if mafia has a roleblocker, they usually don't have a godfather in newb games?
It's a continutation vote, last post prior to hammer was me voting BT, begginig of day I re-voted the individual I found most suspicious.
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Didn't vote jerub b/c I didn't have acess to the internet that DAY, that was a very very short day.
After checking up on some recent newb games, I have found that AK is correct. While I still think the possibility is there (because past =! present), I do think it's less likley. So I shall unvote.
I, too, would love it if AK explained why GT is scum and I am not, even though we took virtually identical actions at the beginning of the day.
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(Since if you had a guilty you wouldn't waste our time.)
This is a part of why I'm voting Gifts. Loran nails why I wouldn't do this if Gifts' guess were right.
Here's part of how I see this game; I know 2 people to be town, myself and BT. There are some people I have read as town. Gifts is not one of them. To me, the 2 real possibilities are Myrf and Gifts. Both are scummy in my eyes.
Things to note; gifts ended yesterday voting BT over Ea, despite attacking him and pointing out holes in his argument. More will come as I read over the thread some more.
We live in a country were ~50% of the populace believe public schooling is a socialist conspiracy and that being called Einstein is an insult. We could try and fix it, but unfortunately the other 50% don't believe in euthanasia.
I, as of yet, am very unsure of suspicions. I would certainly say that GT's voting record (excluding the jerubaal vote as I assume he's not lying about computer access) make me lean towards him. I've been suspicious of Myrf since the beginning but I was also suspicious of AK at the beginning, so I guess I'll need to reevaluate. Personally I think a problem with GT's posts is that there hasn't been many substantial posts to evaluate.
I should probably reread. I'll try to do some sort of detailed analysis by this weekend or something.
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Things to note; gifts ended yesterday voting BT over Ea, despite attacking him and pointing out holes in his argument.
We don't lynch people for fallacious logic. If we did this would be a very different game. I never stated that E wasn't scummy, I just didn't think he warrented a vote, I think BT did.
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We don't lynch people for fallacious logic. If we did this would be a very different game. I never stated that E wasn't scummy, I just didn't think he warrented a vote, I think BT did.
Then why did you vote myrf for his craplogic at the beginning of the game.
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Well right now 7 are alive, with likely 1 scum (maybe 2 scum) left, so if we mislynch today and the scum nk successfully tonight, it'll still be 4 vs 1 or possibly 3 vs 2. If it's 3 vs 2 we're LYOL, which means that your investigation HAS to come up scum. If it's 4 vs 1 (which seems more likely to me as the scum are usually 25%), then we still have lots of time.
I'm very unsure about no-lynch. It would essentially mean we lose one townie and only gain the information from an investigation; we don't gain any voting information.
On the other hand, if your investigation turns up innocent, then we have 3 confirmed town, plus I'm assuming you're reading me as town as well, which leaves 4 vs 2 which isn't that bad. If your investigation turns up guilty, even better.
I actually think a nolynch might be reasonable here. The roleblocker's dead, which means that we could just NL until we either find scum or the scum find the doc. And, even if they DO find the doc soon, we'll still have a couple investigations to go by. If we try and lynch, we risk outing the doc, and losing the best thing we have going. I'd like to make sure no one has a huge reason why we shouldn't NL, but after that, I'd be down with a NL plan.
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I actually think a nolynch might be reasonable here. The roleblocker's dead, which means that we could just NL until we either find scum or the scum find the doc. And, even if they DO find the doc soon, we'll still have a couple investigations to go by. If we try and lynch, we risk outing the doc, and losing the best thing we have going. I'd like to make sure no one has a huge reason why we shouldn't NL, but after that, I'd be down with a NL plan.
Nolynch is NOT optimal here.
There's 7 left. Amongst which there's 1 scum (Never a 4 man mafia in a newb mini, and no sign of an sk). That gives us 2 mislynches. We know there to be 1 confirmed townie, and we can probably guess the existance of a doc too for 2 confirmed townies.
Note godfathers are usually considered No-Go for newb games...i know, i made a newb game before.
So, we have 7 players, 2 of which Now are confirmed. We lynch a nonconfirmed, bigtime dies (confirmed people probably die) akid investigates, we lynch a nonconfirmed (investigated player dies, akid investigates.
So today there's 5, tomorrow there'll be 3 players amongst who can be scum, and the next day there'll be 1, for the win, regardless of mislynches.
And this analysis ignores the fact that one of the five is likely the doc, making him confirmed.
Anyhow, I've sort of been out of this game, so I can't say I have too much objections to the giftstrix lynch , and it is essentially following my outlined plan.
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If BigTime ends up being a godfather we are thoroughly screwed.
Heck, if AK is a gambitting scum who tossed us one and cleared his buddy we are throgholy screwed too. No need to jump to conclusions about that either.
Heck, if AK is a gambitting scum who tossed us one and cleared his buddy we are throgholy screwed too. No need to jump to conclusions about that either.
Except two things: One, it would require Jerubaal to go along with being lynched, which is never fun. Additionally, we still have a real cop out there. If there's ever a lynch where a cop turns up, AK and BigTime are dead dead meat. Even without the cop being lynched, the real cop wouldn't let these things get out of hand without counterclaiming eventually.
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I guess GT is the best suspect out of the lot, although I don't really feel anyone here is particularly scummy. If you guys would be willing to let me stall until the weekend or something, I could reread and post with something a bit more insightful, but if not, then I guess the GT plan is fine.
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that's the second time this game you admit your priority is not scum hunting.
Uh, no. What I'm saying is that I'm not really feeling the case on you to the point where I'm ready for a lynch, but I also don't have a better target. If people are not willing to wait for the weekend so I can reread, I am not going to be particularly dissatisfied with your lynch. If they can, great, we'll see what I can come up with.
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No your comment is, 'I don't find anyone scummy' so 'I will lynch what other people see as scummy' then you add a 'I'll post more content this weekend to make me look more townie'
Alright it's 4 to lynch, AK and I have voted for GT, Loran and Myrf have stated their willingness to do so. My vote stands and I think I'd like a claim.
Alright it's 4 to lynch, AK and I have voted for GT, Loran and Myrf have stated their willingness to do so. My vote stands and I think I'd like a claim.
Seconded. The claim part at least. I am declaring my intention to vote Myrf based on his comments earlier in the game and his last one.
Secondly, I would like to point out that he said he doesn't see anyone as very scummy, but he was going crazy about how he thought I was scum earlier. Contradiction much.
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Secondly, I would like to point out that he said he doesn't see anyone as very scummy, but he was going crazy about how he thought I was scum earlier. Contradiction much.
I don't really have time to make a full post, but I don't think you're scum anymore because AK got an innocent on you, and we have effectively discounted the possibility of a godfather. Therefore, I no longer think you're scum.
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I don't really have time to make a full post, but I don't think you're scum anymore because AK got an innocent on you, and we have effectively discounted the possibility of a godfather. Therefore, I no longer think you're scum.
Was I the only other person you suspected? Eh, figures...
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Was I the only other person you suspected? Eh, figures...
Yeah, you were. Like I said, I need to do a reread. Once I do that, I'll be able to post reasonable content.
Also, people don't have to ask me to claim because I did so already
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I'm vanilla blue. I don't mind dieing for the team as long as myrf is investigated/killed after.
And not having any read on the players in over 500 posts is just another step in 'I haven't been trying to find scum this game, I've been trying to stay alive'.
I think he's attacking the logic, not EER.
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vote ea er refta
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ea er refta - 5 (Apokalypse Kid, BigTime, Myrf, JodoYodo, ea er refta)
In traditional internet fashion, you quickly gather around someone and beat them senseless.
Ea er refta has been lynched. He was a RED spy and a mafia roleblocker.
Night 3 will end Sunday night or Saturday if all actions get in by then.
Eventually everyone settles down and comes to the conclusion that nothing interesting is going to happen.
It is now Day 4. With 7 alive, it's 4 to lynch.
BTW, EAscum's last post was HILARIOUS, especially because I love pie way too much.
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While I wouldn't be overly surprised if this was true, and I agree with wagoning BT, there's a distinct possibility that the last scum is a godfather. I'd like to hear AK's result when he's ready, but I would like to note that an innocent result does not necessarily mean innocent.
Vote BigTime.
I did one earlier. All of it still stands. But it's good to know you're not scum. I was getting a little worried there :rolleyes:.
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It's on day one. I'll post a PBPA of your performance after D1 on Fri., hopefully, but you really haven't gotten a whole lot better since day one.
It's impossible to know for sure. W/ 12 it's either 4 mafioso and some power 4 town or 3 mafioso 1 neutral and some power for the town. Or if the town is uber weak I could see 3 mafioso.
OK.
479+382 +331+335=you're scum.
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I find this post rather strange. Speculation and THEN voting without waiting for a response.
If you look at GT's voting record, it's not very good. Did not vote for either Jerub nor EER, and did not post at all after AK announced Jerub's guilt. Did not support EER's wagon and voted for BT instead.
On the other hand he supported AK's investigation of Jerubaal before iLord's lynch, which gets him townie points. So if mafia has a roleblocker, they usually don't have a godfather in newb games?
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It's a continutation vote, last post prior to hammer was me voting BT, begginig of day I re-voted the individual I found most suspicious.
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Didn't vote jerub b/c I didn't have acess to the internet that DAY, that was a very very short day.
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I, too, would love it if AK explained why GT is scum and I am not, even though we took virtually identical actions at the beginning of the day.
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This is a part of why I'm voting Gifts. Loran nails why I wouldn't do this if Gifts' guess were right.
Here's part of how I see this game; I know 2 people to be town, myself and BT. There are some people I have read as town. Gifts is not one of them. To me, the 2 real possibilities are Myrf and Gifts. Both are scummy in my eyes.
Things to note; gifts ended yesterday voting BT over Ea, despite attacking him and pointing out holes in his argument. More will come as I read over the thread some more.
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We don't lynch people for fallacious logic. If we did this would be a very different game. I never stated that E wasn't scummy, I just didn't think he warrented a vote, I think BT did.
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I think that a no lynch provides us with the best options tomorrow. Your thoughts?
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Then why did you vote myrf for his craplogic at the beginning of the game.
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2) It's not crap logic, it's a ploy I've seen used by scum players and only scum players. So that would make it a scum-tell.
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I'm very unsure about no-lynch. It would essentially mean we lose one townie and only gain the information from an investigation; we don't gain any voting information.
On the other hand, if your investigation turns up innocent, then we have 3 confirmed town, plus I'm assuming you're reading me as town as well, which leaves 4 vs 2 which isn't that bad. If your investigation turns up guilty, even better.
What do you guys think?
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Nolynch is NOT optimal here.
There's 7 left. Amongst which there's 1 scum (Never a 4 man mafia in a newb mini, and no sign of an sk). That gives us 2 mislynches. We know there to be 1 confirmed townie, and we can probably guess the existance of a doc too for 2 confirmed townies.
Note godfathers are usually considered No-Go for newb games...i know, i made a newb game before.
So, we have 7 players, 2 of which Now are confirmed. We lynch a nonconfirmed, bigtime dies (confirmed people probably die) akid investigates, we lynch a nonconfirmed (investigated player dies, akid investigates.
So today there's 5, tomorrow there'll be 3 players amongst who can be scum, and the next day there'll be 1, for the win, regardless of mislynches.
And this analysis ignores the fact that one of the five is likely the doc, making him confirmed.
Anyhow, I've sort of been out of this game, so I can't say I have too much objections to the giftstrix lynch , and it is essentially following my outlined plan.
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Heck, if AK is a gambitting scum who tossed us one and cleared his buddy we are throgholy screwed too. No need to jump to conclusions about that either.
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Except two things: One, it would require Jerubaal to go along with being lynched, which is never fun. Additionally, we still have a real cop out there. If there's ever a lynch where a cop turns up, AK and BigTime are dead dead meat. Even without the cop being lynched, the real cop wouldn't let these things get out of hand without counterclaiming eventually.
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that's the second time this game you admit your priority is not scum hunting.
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Uh, no. What I'm saying is that I'm not really feeling the case on you to the point where I'm ready for a lynch, but I also don't have a better target. If people are not willing to wait for the weekend so I can reread, I am not going to be particularly dissatisfied with your lynch. If they can, great, we'll see what I can come up with.
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Seconded. The claim part at least. I am declaring my intention to vote Myrf based on his comments earlier in the game and his last one.
Secondly, I would like to point out that he said he doesn't see anyone as very scummy, but he was going crazy about how he thought I was scum earlier. Contradiction much.
I don't really have time to make a full post, but I don't think you're scum anymore because AK got an innocent on you, and we have effectively discounted the possibility of a godfather. Therefore, I no longer think you're scum.
Was I the only other person you suspected? Eh, figures...
Yeah, you were. Like I said, I need to do a reread. Once I do that, I'll be able to post reasonable content.
Also, people don't have to ask me to claim because I did so already
And not having any read on the players in over 500 posts is just another step in 'I haven't been trying to find scum this game, I've been trying to stay alive'.
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